January 15, 2010
By Rick Jacobs
It’s 0845. The judge came in and said good morning, but then the screen went blank up here. Maybe Protect Marriage has finally gotten its wish and the whole trial is going to be held in a dark room in a basement? As you’ll see shortly, they are going to every possible length to hide this trial from the public. As the NYT opinion blog says, the more LGBT activists and our friends come out of the closet, the more Protect Marriage goes in. Hide!
I’ve been reading some of the comments and look forward to reading more. This truly is your trial.
Brian Leubitz’s piece this morning says it all. As usual, Brian has nailed it.
We’ll be back as soon as the screen comes alive.
[UPDATE] 8:52 The judge closed the courtroom to lawyers only. He kicked everyone out from the courtroom, too. I’m guess it’s about the documents that were under seal. We’ll report as soon as we are back in session.
[UPDATE] 8:55 The feed is live. The judge is getting ready. We’re baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
[UPDATE] 9:05 Michael McGill is with Gibson Dunn on our side. He just called Dr. Michael Lamb.
MM: Current occupation?
L: Social psychologist at Cambridge and before that at National Institutes of Health (NIH) where he headed developmental psychology team. Studied field since 1970s. (This is going to be fun. He speaks with one of those fancy English accents.) Studied factors that affect children’s development and adjustment, meaning the factors that allow them act effectively in their environment. A healthy kid can interact well with adults and kids, do well at school. One sign of maladjustment in older kids would be anti-social behavior.
MM: Talk about volume of literature with regard to children of LG parents.
L: Lots of such of info by now. Huge volume. All peer-reviewed.
[(By the way, that Dr. Tam who wants not to be a defendant any more is in the court room. I hope we get to hear from him!]
[So the back and forth now is to show that this guy is hugely qualified.]
Authored or edited about 40 books on child development and adjustment and published 500 articles, in professional, peer-reviewed journals or for other professionals in their books. On editorial boards of several journals (or have been), Child Development and Developmental Psychology, and others. Provides peer review for about 100 articles a year for a total of about 2,500-3,000 peer reviews in my career. Award for lifetime contributions to psychology from the Association of Child Psychology.
[UPDATE] 9:17 Will show that GL parents are good parents. Substantial research over past 30-40 years that show (on slide put up by MM):
1. The quality of the relationship that children have with their parents and those that come after them. Large body of evidence that children do best when with loving parents and do worse without.
2. The quality of the relationship between the parents or other significant adults. Kids do better when parents are happy with each other than not.
3. The availability of adequate economic and social resources.
What makes a good parent?
L: Good parents guide, set boundaries, provide love and care for kids. Then their children are more likely to be well adjusted. What makes for effective parent is same whether mother or father.
MM: Puts up second slide, Cooper’s opening with Obama quote:
We know the statistics; that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of schools, and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.”
L: First, the quote does not compare to what. 9 or 20 times more likely than what? Most likely this refers to kids from heterosexual homes, not compared with gay homes. No context. Suggests its absence of father that causes these outcomes. Research shows that absence of father is not crucial. Children are more likely to have some of these problems when they’ve suffered separation from a parent, when there has been significant parental conflict and/or economic deprivation. Important for researcher to ask why these differences exist rather than just put up stats. Does not acknowledge fact that majority of children who grow up without father is perfectly well adjusted.
MM: Did you ever hold view that children due better with father/mother family?
L: Yes, because I began my research in early 1970s. First research was attachment baby’s form with mothers and fathers. Did children need to be raised by masculine and feminine parent? Result of my research and almost all other research since then showed that this is not true. Effective parent comes from having a mother or father. Children do not need a masculine behaving parent to be well adjusted. Same with feminine; not necessary.
L: Field began to coalesce around this view by early 1990s.
ML: If I could get into Cambridge and take a class in dev psych, is this what I’d be taught today?
[UPDATE] 9:52 Describes in detail the methodology of research. Introduces a bunch of exhibits.
MM: What is a “convenient sample?”
L: It’s a sample that (he describes) and is used often in dev psych studies.
MM: More exhibits are entered as evidence. More discussion about longitudinal and cross section design. Enter more exhibits including study by Susan Golombach “Children of Lesbian Parents: A Community Study.” These partially informed L’s views.
MM: Dr. Lamb, based on all these studies, what conclusions have you drawn on children adjusting with gay or lesbian parents?
L: Articles document conclusively that children raised by g or l parents are just as likely to be well adjusted as those raised by hetero parents. Based on great volume of study of children of different ages. Further buttressed by results that affect children of broader range of children. Generally accepted by field.
L: Sexual Orientation, Parents and Children, 2004 from Am Psych Assoc. (Reads)
“There is no scientific basis for concluding that lesbian mothers or gay fathers are unfit parents based on their sexual orientation. On the contrary, research shows that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children.”
“ Overall, results of research suggests that” …gay and lesbian parents are just as likely to be good parents as hetero.
AM Ac Child Psych, Pediatric and Adolescent, Am Psych, Child Welfare league, National Assoc of Social workers all have policy statements from (8 groups, but Id did not catch them all; I think you get the point) on gay and lesbian parenting.
MM: Have you ever heard the view that children raised by homo parents more likely to have gender identity disorder than raised by hetero?
L Yes. Field has studied a lot. Gender id disorders are extremely rare and no evidence that more prevalent with gay and lesbian parents.
MM: Email from Ron Prentice that says “21 Reasons why Gender Matters.” Admitted as PX2350
One of the main examples of gender confusion is what some are calling gender pathology. This the term used to describe homosexual, lesbian, bisexual and transgender relationships. IN these and other causes, there is a major distortion or disordering of the male or female gender, and a confusion of both gender and sexuality”
L: I’m not familiar with content of “gender pathology. “ Does not exist in field. G, L, H, not considered by pathology.
“While various studies indicate that around two-to three per cent of person have ever practiced homosexual behaviors in their lifetime, a study in Developmental Psychology found that 12% of the children of lesbians became active lesbians themselves.”
L: Does not contradict what I’ve said because study they footnote for this is Susan Golombach’s and it does not say what she says. Some studies show that children raised by homo parents have less sex-stereotyped attitudes than homo. Positive attribute means that children aspire to wide careers, vs. sex stereotyped views that may mean girls think they have to be nurses.
“Sad truth is that homo abuse of children is proportionately higher than hetero abuse of children. It must be stressed that most homos do not abuse children and most are not pedophiles, but it seems a significant number do and are.
It is the right of the child to know and have a relationship with their biological mother and father. It is the right of the child to be protected form sexual exploitation. Gender disorientation pathology greatly increases the risk that children will suffer sexual exploitation. It is our duty to protect them.”
L: This is fairly old canard. Published since 1970s and into 1990s that this is not true. Carol Jennings Are Children at Risk from Homo parents from pediatrics in 1994 says that there is no evidence the above is nonsense.
MM: Children of g and l are bullied?
MM: Kids are teased but
“There is also the question of how children fare when raised in same-sex families. One person who has spent a lot of time looking into this question is psychologist Dr. Joe Nicolosi. He argues that kids raised by homosexuals are traumatizes emotionally and socially.”
MM: Evidence to support this?
L : No. I had no idea who Nicolosi was. I searched internet. He does “conversion therapy.” (In other words he is a self-hating charlatan.)
[UPDATE] 9:56 [This is also from our friend Ron Prentices homosexual version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.]
David Popenoe: “We should disavow the notion that “mummnies can make good daddies’ just as we should disavow the notion of radical feminists that “daddies can make good mummies”… The two sexes are different to the core and each is necessary –culturally…”
Popenoe is retired. Only one in field who shares above is Dr. Blankenhorn. [You go!]
MM: Any evidence that lack of bio parents and/or opposite sex parents improves chance of kids doing well?
L: No. Lots of studies about adopted kids and bio born kids that are just as likely to be well-adjusted as bio parent raised kids.
[UPDATE] 9:58 MM: Finishes by showing that there is no evidence that supports that bullshit (and forgive me, but I have to say it that way) that Prentice and Team Hit and Hide at Protect Marriage promulgate.
Cross is about to begin.
Going to switch to a new thread for the next update. It’s here.