January 21, 2010
By Rick Jacobs
Theodore Boutrous (B) continues his redirect of Dr. Gary Segura (S)
S: Definitely want to look at hate crimes during campaign. Close correlation between hate crimes and election outcome/high emotion.
B: Puts up government report showing numbers of crimes against GLBT during campaign.
S: Range of crimes might be simple fisticuffs in protest to people who did not follow non-violent premises. Some of Freedom Riders fought back against crowds that greeted them with violence when they got off the bus in Mississippi.
B: 34 people died in Watts Riot. Was that a significant event of violence that many Americans saw and read about?
B: Notwithstanding that, AAs at some points through courts and other means to achieve civil rights.
S: Fair Housing Act passed in 1968 after urban unrest. Society does not draw conclusions from one or two acts.
B: Any way that the few things Mr. T showed prove that gays are not powerless?
S: That would strain credulity.
B: Now I want to show Gathering Storm video to which T objected last week.
T: Does not in any way show powerlessness of gays?
B: At least as relevant as O’Reilly and other post-Prop. 8 stuff.
T: This was paid for by NOM, not Protect Marriage .com
Judge: I have taken a welcoming attitude toward evidence, so go ahead.
[Here is the video]
S: Makes point that the churches on our side represent almost no one compared with Baptists, Catholics, LDS and Orthodox Jews yes on Prop 8 vs. Unitarian Universalists, MCC and reformed Jews on no side. No comparison.
S: Their side claims that NO side’s religious supporters show that we have lots of numbers in our religious support. Also misleading to show that there is dissension in the Catholic Church because he uses Dignity as example, but Dignity is forbidden from being on Church property.
S: Prof. Nathanson claims that gays are working with religious groups so there is no problem with religious groups. Just because NGLTF is talking to religious groups does not mean organized religion does not present an obstacle to gay and lesbian equality.
S: If we look at the association of religiosity with the actions of religious people, we can see that people do vote according to their religious views. “Our institutions do a poor job of protecting minority rights even when they do enjoy majority support,” says article. True here but gays and lesbians do not enjoy broad majority support.
B: Even after Mr. Thompson’s line, do you think gays and lesbians lack political power?
S: I do. Even though Mr. T. pointed out there are gay and lesbian pols and pols in CA that support gays and lesbians, does not show power. Protections that stop at a county or state line are hardly protections at all. Need to look at layers of government. I do mind experiment that says, “Imagine that gays and lesbians are powerful.” I survey the world and see FBI report that says that gays and lesbians are 70% of hate-inspired murder. Are they still powerful? Possibly. 29 states do not protect gays and lesbians. Powerful? Possibly. Could I look at 150 ballot measures that gays lose 70% of time. Powerful? Presumably. Could I see constitutional prohibitions for gays and conclude they are powerful? Yes.
I could not draw the conclusion that gays and lesbians are powerful by looking at all of these factors. “That would be the political science equivalent of malpractice.”
[And that ends Professor Segura’s long time on the stand. And that last couple of paragraphs says it all. In the meantime, Protect Marriage harassed Courage in court for use of a logo. And they want to hide the trial. If I were they, so would I.
We adjourned at 12:10. We get Mr. Tam after lunch at 1:10. Ya gotta come back for that one. Tam was a proponent of Prop. 8, an original defendant in this trial who tried to drop out. So now we get one of their proponents as our witnesses. You’re gonna like this.]