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“Do you see my love, NOM?” A beautiful Gathering Storm rains on NOM’s parade in New York

NOM Tour Tracker Right-wing

By Eden James

Wow. You’ve got to hand it to the equality movement.

Our collective response to the NOM Tour just keeps getting better and better with each tour stop.

First, the Equality Maine and GLAD organizers of the Maine counter-rally to NOM actually attracted more people to their event than NOM’s kickoff event on Wednesday (102 to 76 by our hand-count). Then the New Hampshire counter-rally organizers held a brilliant “silent witness” event across the street from the Manchester event on Thursday.

And now the amazing Albany organizers, led by several wonderful organizations, have taken counter-protesting to a whole new level, surrounding the NOM event with one of the most brilliant actions I have ever seen.

Check out the gathering storm of rainbow umbrellas held aloft by equality movement activists silenting protesting NOM while asking a simple question adorned to their t-shirt:

“Do you see my love?”







NOM Executive Director Brian Brown (above) doesn’t look too happy, does he?

How could he? It’s fair to say that Albany turned into yet another NOM FAIL, due to the beauty of creative counter-protest and the paltry NOM attendance (Danny hand-counted 57 attendees).

Courage staffers Danny and Robert will be writing up their reports later, but for now, take note of this Albany protest. One thing is for sure — local organizers at subsequent counter-protests are going to have a hard time topping this poignant and powerful action. Can’t wait to see what they can do.

Again, here are the amazing organizations that made this counter-protest possible today (from a press release):

Marriage Equality New York
In Our Own Voices
Capital District Gay & Lesbian Community Council
Albany Queer Rising
HomoRadio on WRPI 91.5fm
Empire State Pride Agenda
Freedom to Marry
Courage Campaign
Social Responsibilities Council of the First Unitarian Universalist Society of Albany
Upper Hudson Planned Parenthood
Eleanor Roosevelt Democratic Club (ERDC)
New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) Capital Region Chapter
Albany Law School Civil Liberties Union
Choices Counseling & Consulting/The Institute for Gender, Relationships, Identity & Sexuality
GAES Magazine: Gay Arts, Entertainment & Lifestyle
The Women’s Building
Christians Responding with Equality, Diversity and Openness (CREDO) of the Capital District
National Organization for Women (NOW) Albany Area Chapter
Capital District Area Labor Federation

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  • 1. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:49 am

    Yay! More pics!

  • 2. Dave in Maine  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:57 am

    I am hoping that with each rally, the equality organizations will have had plenty of time to out-organize NOM like they have in Albany. We didn't have much time here in Maine, but I'm sure each city and town from now on will show 'em!!!


  • 3. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:03 am

    OMG!!! Surrounding the stage like that is just brilliant! What a message! It screams, We're here! We're queer! You FAIL! Without even saying a word!

    This is awesome PR for us! If we increasingly out number them at every stop it will emphasize their losing position…lawmakers are taking notice.

    Straight people and even republican christians are not going to want to be identified or associated with them! Lawmakers are going to do a cursory head count and immediately see where the votes are!

    This is turning out better than we could have expected! Thank you NOM! Love the free PR!!!


  • 4. James Tuttle  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:10 am

    This is so FREAKIN' COOL!!! What a smart and sweet idea. Again, I wish I could have been there. I can't help but feel as though at every one of these stops WE are getting such awesome press and we are chipping away at whatever base NOM was standing on. Much to their chagrin, they are helping us so much with this stupid bus tour.

  • 5. Ronnie  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:11 am

    Love they shirt..Love the umbrellas..those pictures are hot…Thank you for sharing….<3…Ronnie

  • 6. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:16 am

    Yes, and love all those people under the umbrellas! Great pics!

  • 7. Jude  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:26 am

    Fantastic! It helped being on a Saturday. Each city should keep watching. NOM is playing dirty tricks. In NH, they commented on how civil the protestors were. I don't think they get what the silent witness means. In Maine, they tried to make some counter protestors look like part of their group and then said the protestors had signs about hate. Um, NOM? We mean YOUR hate.

    We must make ourselves distinguishable. We must make our support of love and families visible. Don't give NOM anything that they can twist.

  • 8. Bolt  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:35 am

    The most astonishing thing are the NOM supporters. They go out of out of their way to stand their and listen to the NOM babble. If this is what they do for rest, relaxation, fun and excitement, can you imagine what their daily lives must be like?

  • 9. Bolt  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:37 am

    Ooops. I meant stand there and listen to the NOM babble.

  • 10. Protester from RI  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:38 am

    Word is our protest is going to be quite loud full of chants . What do you guys think of that?

  • 11. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:44 am

    I'm fine with that; you've got at least 2 of us from CT and 2 more from MA coming tomorrow. Just tell us what to chant!

  • 12. RI protester  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:52 am

    There will be handouts and someone with a bullhorn!

  • 13. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:52 am

    I'm so proud.

    (and wondering if BB's actually brought more than one suit)

  • 14. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Oh YESSSSSSS I am all for yelling and shouting them down. I guess I am a rabble rouser in this group. I totally don't get being civil. You know what? ACT UP! wasn't civil, they shouted and got in your face and they WON. Because of them there is tremendous funding for AIDS. I do not beleive it is as strong a protest when it is either silent, or seperate or across the street. Bring it ON!!! They are coming to YOUR town, this is YOUR TURF, don't give them a chance to be heard.

    I love this protest because they are right next to them, they are not afraid to be on the same public steps. Fight, Fight, Fight for your rights. Silence gets us nowhere. Stand up and FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 15. Dave in Maine  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:10 am

    That might be true, but such actions can easily be twisted to show them as the victim. Shouting them down and not letting them say what they want to say will give them more ammunition against the dangerous (militant?) homosexuals.

    Fighting isn't always loud and in your face-it depends on the "enemy." Crotchety old people don't respond well to that whereas they might respond better to a quiet and powerful message such as what we've seen in elsewhere. There are certainly times to shout and be LOUD-but I am not sure that shouting at a bunch of old people will really accomplish much for us. Especially in front of tv cameras.

    Dave in Maine

  • 16. Protester from RI  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:12 am

    here's the link to the RI event if anyone is in the area. The numbers are looking strong!

  • 17. James Tuttle  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:16 am

    LOL Looks that way Kathleen. I'm not sure how I feel about the in-your-face protest either. Maybe chant and yell before and after NOM speaks/has spoken but during their hate filled rant just be quiet. I think that Dave has a point when he says…from the way people already view us, our actions can easily be skewed to look like we are the bad guys…no negative press for us this time around. At the same time though…I can;t imagine how difficult it would be to be quiet when they are spewing such ignorance and lies.

  • 18. Kevin in Maryland  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:25 am

    where can one see their schedule? I'd love to know when and where they'll make an appearance in my area. It would nothing short of hospitable to arrange a welcoming motorcade if they're passing through on the interstate. I live near the intersect of I-70 and I-81, and they almost have to pass through here no matter where they're headed.

  • 19. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Nice! I was surprised they (the good guys) were able to be up so close to n0m's podium. Must've really pissed BB and company off :)

  • 20. Elsie  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:29 am

    On suggestion might be to humm, either an oohm, zen like noise or a song. Just enough to make yourselves known but say nothing that they can put on video to twist.

  • 21. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Dave in Maine, I would like to ask you this. So far, how far has being polite and silent gotten you?

    Look at Lt Dan Choi and GetEqual, he is in your face and I swear without him there would be no repeal (well sorta a repeal) of DADT right now. I see what you are saying, you more or less want to "rise above" and show what nice beople GLBT's are. Which reminds me of the "best little boy" syndrom. If I can just be the Best Little Boy then maybe my daddy will love me. To hell with it, the Christin Right (Daddy) is never going to love you. Show the politicians who vote that you are a force to be reckenond with (Lt Dan). The only way to do that is to show up in mass and be loud. The same with the public who also votes, the movable middle will respond positively once we get out there and demand our rights. Being quiet and the Best Little Boy gets you NO attention in the press. If you want to change minds you need attention in the press, point period. Bring ON the Bull Horns.

    Dave we can disagree and still be friends, right?

  • 22. Protester from RI  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:30 am

    NOM has a photo up but strangely the balloons and the protesters are missing….it's on their FB page.

  • 23. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:32 am

    May I suggest a chant? "SHAME ON YOU, I'M GOOD AS YOU"

  • 24. James Tuttle  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Their schedule of stops is here:

    And after looking at the facebook link (You have to highlight and paste..the link only goes halfway) it looks like the upcoming stop is going to have a LOT of people. YAY!

  • 25. Dave  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:35 am

    What if, rather than trying to shout them down, we burst into hysterical waves of laughter every time they start spewing their ridiculousness?

    Also, what about handing out small snacks to the spectators – cookies, bottled water, small bags of gummy bears – that sort of thing. And take the opportunity to hand out some short succinct fliers in favor of marriage equality ("Equality means everybody is treated the same"). Kill the crowd with generosity.

  • 26. Dave  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Or have everybody quietly sing "What the world needs now is Love, Sweet Love – not for just a few, but for everyone."

  • 27. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Perhaps I am jsut extra dense tonight, but who is BB in your comment?

    (and wondering if BB’s actually brought more than one suit)

  • 28. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:41 am

    NOM Executive Director Brian Brown

  • 29. James Tuttle  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:42 am

    Good idea about the snacks Dave. It reminds me of a Kathy Griffin piece where she was all excited that people were going to protest one of her stand up shows but it turned out to be just two little old ladies handing out cookies. lol She was like "I can't compete with that, hell, I almost started protesting myself for a free cookie". And who can hate a gummie bear with a marriage equality message?

  • 30. Richard W. Fitch  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:44 am

    Although "a picture is worth a 1000 words" by what magnitude is it increased when there is a living tableaux?

  • 31. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:51 am

    I went to the Facebook page you provided the link to and I must say this post most closely describes my thoughts-

    Steven Phipps-We tried the whole "mutual communication" hold-hands-and-give-peace-a-chance hogwash – we are here, we are queer and if you don't like it, that's not my problem. We (as a cohort, marginilized group) should be absolutely fed-up with demanding rights that no King, President, Pharoah or Congress have to "grant" or recogni…ze for simply being human. "Stonewall" it up…that's how you change the status qou.

    I Totally agree with this poster. STONEWALL IT UP, at Stonewall they didn't cooperate and stay silent. The shoe was thrown.

  • 32. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Lesbians Love Boies, LOL I though "Brought more than one suite" meant a lawsuit, ha-ha.

  • 33. Gina  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Vuvuzelas? :)

  • 34. Eden James  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Excellent discussion on tactics, everyone.

    Keep the comments on tactics coming. I'll post some of the best ones later in a separate post that highlights some of the best ideas for actions.

    Eden w/ Courage

  • 35. GraciesDaddy  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Great pic of Brown… he looks like he's mad enough to bite a sidewalk in two! 😉

  • 36. mikenola  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:05 am

    If you want the best of both worlds (making noise and poignant silence) try singing

    Jesus loves the little children, all the little children gay or straight in rotation..

    that will pretty much send them over the deepend..

  • 37. chris  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:07 am

    For all of us who live in places where they will not bring their hate bus, PLEASE PLEASE turn out when they show up near your city. Great job Albany!

    ..and come on NOM – you think Texas is full of hillbilly idiots like you – we dare you to show up here so that we can show you our numbers.

  • 38. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:11 am

    I like the various ways we are reacting to the situation. I bet the rabble-rousing will scare the be-Jesus out of NOM while the silence is clearly deafening!

    They wanted persecution…well I bet the silent protest in NY was unnerving as hell! Nothing more eerie than wanting to be persecuted and getting nothing but intimidating silence.

    I hope our counter or concomitant rallies get larger as the fringe element proves how weak and numberless they are getting!


  • 39. Rick  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Extra large rainbow umbrellas (like Silent Witness uses) have a very strong visual impact for photo coverage and local tv coverage.

  • 40. Dwight  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:11 am

    I knew I shoulda brought a few hundred vuvzelas back from South Africa with me! What an awesome use for them!!!

  • 41. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:16 am

    I just checked the Facebook site for Providence–

    239 attending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Whoo Hoooooo!!!!!


  • 42. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:17 am

    That's the Rainbow Tribe, not NOM, of course!

  • 43. zeddy  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:19 am

    You seem to have forgotten what Dr. King did. Loud protests get no response except that one is aggressive. That is exactly what is wrong with the tea party for example.

  • 44. Dave  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:23 am

    I think of these as an opportunity to engage with the other side – not the NOM organization, but those in attendance. Mingle with them, hand out information, try to open a CIVIL and polite dialogue with individuals on the sidelines – in short, be the exact opposite of all the negative things that NOM calls us. Remember, you catch more flies with sugar and honey.

    That is not the same thing as being a pushover; it's a strategic choice to quietly demonstrate with our actions that we are not what the NOM people say we are. If it's about winning hearts and minds, well…. their attendees are the hearts and minds we want to win one at a time… and NOM is doing us a favor by bringing them out for us to meet them.

    Think of that Tienamen Square photo of that single protester who stopped an army tank with a flower.

    Besides, everybody likes Oreos and gummy bears. :-) And it's not like you'd need to buy a lot of them at these turnouts!

  • 45. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:30 am

    From Ocean State Job Lot (local discount store):

    Price of Red T-shirts: $4

    Poster Board: 44 cents

    Magic markers (pack of 8): $1.00

    Purple umbrella: $5

    Look on NOM's faces when they're outnumbered 10-1:

  • 46. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Yes. Brian Brown. Referencing the fact that in all the photos of him in the three stops, he seems to be in the same suit. I hope he finds time to get it dry cleaned at some point. Otherwise, it's going to be as smelly and repulsive as the message he delivers while wearing it.

  • 47. Chris  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:42 am

    I like how the first word I see in the photos of the equality protestors is "love". You look at the NOM guys and the first word you see is "stand".

    We believe in love. They believe in troublemaking. The difference is clear.

    I'd like to see that word used prominently in every counterprotest. I think it says a lot.

  • 48. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Well the Reverend Dr King had MASSES of fellow African Americans who took to the streets with him. I am not seeing masses of GLBT folks protesting NOM. Trust me I would rather have millions of feet marching in harmony and singing Hymns together for Equality. I don't see those Millions, do you? You know what, a good In your face protest also serves to motivate the troops (us). It motivates US to become involved, honestly silent protests are not all that inspiring to get GLBT people on the streets to participate.

    Here is what I would do. I would get a vinyl banner type sign printed at Kinkos of Maggie, and nail it to a hunk of plywood. Then i would bring eggs and tomatoes to the protest and hand them out. Everyone could pelt that sign. I would also have shovels and a garbage can and clean up after the pelting. It is these types of actions that motivate people to become involved, to show up.

    Oh yeah i am an activest, I lead citizens in two different cities in protests (a planning issue) and guess what we WON!!! Let me put it this way, I got letters from our Governor and he wanted to work with ME. So I know a little something about creating, leading and shepherding an issue based organization. Rise UP, Be Heard, you can always have civil one on one meetings with the press and elected officials later. When you do, they will respect you more, they will respect you after you have lead visible "we demand our rights" protests. Not before, they do not listen before, only after.

  • 49. Rhonda  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:43 am

    I had noticed that as well. Photoshop much?

  • 50. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:45 am

    I say we give them a little of everything! Scream at them in silence then just when they expect peaceful calm shout the bah-Jesus out of them! If the bus turns Priscilla Pink when NOM isn't looking well then … oh well!! (Just be sure to make it look fabulous so that claims of defacement seem a bit ridiculous.)

    By the time we are done with NOM they will be so shaken they will be ranting like lunatic! (Well…I guess like insane lunatics….er…well, ranting like insane lunatic chickens with their collective head cut off!)


    (Who is up for a flash Pink Paint Mob? I see NOM driving a beautiful Priscilla Pink bus with the glitter words Fabulous! on the side!….They want media attention?…well that'll get it for sure!!!)

  • 51. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Okay I am replying to myself Ha-Ha, here is another thing I would do to protest. I would go to Goodwill and buy up every pair of shoes they had. I would bring them to the protest and instruct everyone to throw them at the bottom of the podium. Not to hit anyone, but to throw them at the bottom of the podium. It would be very distracting to the speakers and the NOM crowd. It is symbolic of Stonewall where it started by the transgender person throwing her shoe at the cops. Throw our shoes at them, yeah I would organize that, non violent and makes the point.

  • 52. Dpeck  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Regarding the issue of tactics for counter-demonstrations, I feel strongly that we must keep in mind that everything we say and do should be directed toward the PUBLIC and any PRESS who may be present at these events. We are not there to argue wth NOM, we are there to present our message to all of the people who may be present who may be undecided on the issue. It is a big mistake to try to engage directly with NOM in the form of shouting at them or anything that directly harasses them or interferes with what they are doing.

    Now that does NOT mean we should avoid them or hide our counter rallies at some other location. We should be right there where thay are, as the folks in Albany did. And we should have a very clear message that can be seen and understood by anyone just by looking at one photo. Big signs with a simple, clear message like "EQUAL MARRIAGE RIGHTS NOW" and "MY FAMILY DESERVES EQUAL MARRIAGE RIGHTS". Don't get too symbolic or cerebral because people won't get it.

    And engage with the public and the press directly and clearly, right then and there when NOM is spewing their hate. Tell them the truth in simple plain english. Be direct and blunt but do it with a smile. Make it clear to even the most casual observer that NOM are intolerant bigots and we are normal tax-paying American families who deserve equal rights.

  • 53. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:58 am

    I am disinclined to favor saying that we are as good as them. That should be self evident. Perhaps we can taunt with, 'NOM go Home' or simply 'We're Getting Married!' … let's reinforce the inevitability of rationality.


  • 54. Bryan  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:01 am

    We should hum "we will overcome" or "somewhere over the rainbow"– making soft, peaceful noise is classy, uplifting, and will juxtapose against their spewing of hate.

  • 55. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:09 am

    I agree. Our message is not for the staunch supporters of NOM. There is no way we're going to change their minds. We are there to provide a counter message for the general public and one that can be easily seen in media coverage.

    I don't think it's in our best interests, in this particular context, if we appear to be denying NOM their right to say their piece, no matter how hateful it is. We need to come across as the more reasonable of the two messages and I don't think we do that by getting confrontational with them–at least not on this tour.

    Think about it – if you're some straight person out there who's kind of on the fence over the whole issue of gay rights, or marriage equality specifically… and you really don't have much contact with gay people (or so you think), what is going to be more likely to sway your opinion to the side of equality? — A group of ordinary people with their families and friends with a strong message of LOVE or a group of people shouting down NOM (or throwing things at pictures of Maggie, etc.)

  • 56. SB Mom  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:14 am

    I agree wholeheartedly with Dave. We can take advantage of their money spent on this trip, proving them wrong. I love the idea of at some point singing Jesus loves all the little children, maybe in closing so the "crowd" leaves on a positive note. We all know the media loves to capitalize on the negative ~ so don't give it to them.

  • 57. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:19 am

    I would also agree with you Dpeck. We are *not* going to convince any n0m'ers or their supporters of anything.

    On the other hand, by being present and peaceful, we might sway passers-by, and look like calm, competent people.

    I can sympathize with SG's "In your face" approach, but I believe that to take that approach would only play into their 'radical militant homosexuals' vs. poor innocent christians victimhood scheme..

    I like the Albany protest – I like the fact that they were able to be up on the 'stage' with n0m's podium, the fact that they were silent, present everywhere, and had their backs turned, (with a great message on their t-shirts).

    And SG – the 'throwing shoes at the podium' thing. I cannot imagine how that could be taken as anything other than direct intimidation (playing right into their victimhood hands) or even being considered as outright assault. That's definitely not the way to go IMO :)

  • 58. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:23 am

    One facet about this 'silent witness' event today was turning our backs on hate. Marriage Equality members all had their backs turned from the crowd, with the big beautiful heart with word 'love' on the backs of the t-shirts facing the crowd. Brilliant.

    It wouldn't take much of a 'mental leap baby step' for any NOM supporter to say we were throwing shoes at the stage to hit the speaker (but they are gay, so their aim was off.)

    I wouldn't give them reason or cause to say we are a violent or disruptive group. That's really what they want. Just like Brian Brown used the 'hate' signs/posters in the the back of the crowd at Manchester's rally against us.

  • 59. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Grandma…throwing things, even at a podium could invite police involvement. The laws for assault can sometimes be read to include objects as well as people.

    I say a totally peaceful flash mobbing would be stunningly effective! Seriously, watch this video and imagine these songs and tell me NOM would stand a chance!!!

    Grandma…there are ways to get attention and then there are ways!!!!

    Felyx – For a Peaceful Flash Mob!!!

  • 60. Elsie  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:27 am

    How about Chapel of Love?

    Going to the chapel
    And we're gonna get married
    Going to the chapel
    And we're gonna get married

    Gee I really love you
    And we're gonna get married
    Going to the chapel of love
    Spring is here…..
    The sky is blue (whoa-ooooo)
    Birds all sing
    Like they do
    Today's the day
    We'll say "I do"
    And we'll never be lonely anymore
    Because we're
    Going to the chapel
    And we're gonna get married
    Going to the chapel
    And we're gonna get married
    Gee I really love you
    And we're gonna get married
    Going to the chapel of love
    Bells will ring
    The sun will shine (whoa-oooooh)
    I'll be his
    And he'll be mine
    We'll love until
    The end of time
    And we'll never be lonely anymore
    Because we're
    Going to the chapel
    And we're gonna get married
    Going to the chapel
    And we're gonna get married
    Gee I really love you
    And we're gonna get married
    Going to the chapel of love
    Going to the chapel of love
    Going to the chapel of love …

  • 61. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:34 am

    OMG! That would be awesome!!! Way cool song to chant for sure!!!


    (Still promoting the Flash Mob idea …

  • 62. Mark M  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Make it Billy…you can always merge with other groups if you find them later.

  • 63. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Well put.

  • 64. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:01 am

    So here is my ultimate Love-In tactic….

    Filter into the crowd early on and blend in like NOM supporters. When the rhetoric starts getting deep we all break out in a hum of "Somewhere over the Rainbow' or the like. Humming gets louder and turns into song. In the meantime those who are not active dancers make a large hand-holding 'Ring Around the Rally'.

    At a preset moment outer shirts come off while inner Pro-Marriage shirts in rainbow colors appear followed by a loud 'BAM! EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!' All the pro-gay supporters in the ring start dancing while the outer ring clap hands and moves around like the Whos in Whoville. Special predetermined persons holding beautiful very rainbow colored signs of love, balloons, the works take up positions at preset locations for maximum effect.

    Move in the (free stuff) vendors with the snacks and water with pro-gay messages. By that time calmer more soothing music will be playing (Like Chapel of Love etc.) on not-so loud speakers…just enough so that people can hear and sing. Inside ring dancers clapping and dancing. how could NOM compete with that!!! No threats, no violence, no shoes :(sorry SGM;) just singing, dancing, laughing, food, drink and general good ol' fashioned gay partying!

    People will think NOM has gone gay…the gays will have a blast…NOM will finally get some attention, the media will go nuts…it's a win win loser win situation for everyone!


    Peaceful Flash Mob, check it out (if you haven't already … :P)

  • 65. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:04 am


    I agree; the silent witness in Albany was powerful. AFAIK, only 4 of us from this board are going to Providence tomorrow, and I'm excited by the numbers (242 attending, 396 "maybe" attending at last count on their Facebook page)–I think it will be difficult to keep them all quiet.

    My spouse & I are going to take the advice re: keep the message simple & counter their hate with love, but Rhode Island will definitely have a different feel from the other places. For one thing, Providence has an openly gay mayor! And they have been fighting a lot of anti-gay sentiment; while their legislature passed funeral rights for gay couples, the governor of RI vetoed them. So I expect a lot of emotion, and I hope we all keep it positive.

  • 66. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:04 am

    …and they have candidate for governore that is a NOM robot…SCARY, but WE WILL OVERCOME!

  • 67. Mark M  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:04 am


  • 68. Bob  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Whooo Hooooooo!!!!! for the Rainbow Tribe, they are assembling, and their numbers are growing, mometum building, (and like someone else said, largely at Nom's expense,,, they make the plans and attract the attention), the rainbow people show up, stand up, be visible , manifest their colors.

  • 69. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:06 am

    "They go out of out of their way to stand their and listen " … all 12 of them (based on my view of the pics!)

  • 70. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:08 am

    I've got a small tasteful poster ready… "NO NOM"

    I'll find you Pamzee!

  • 71. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:10 am

    BTW, funny coincidence about the umbrellas!

  • 72. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:11 am

    You GO GIRL!

  • 73. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:13 am

    A simple repetitive muttering of "No NOM" would do!

  • 74. Bob  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:14 am

    @ PamC I hear ya, and thanks for further clarification about the different angles from which people are coming together

    The important thing is that you will be part of that crowd, and each gathering has it's own uniqueness, and in that sense we do not have total control over what the finished product will look like,

    I'm so grateful that you are going,

  • 75. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Tomorrow in PVD, if I catch BB's eyes, I'll discreetly adjust my sunglasses with my middle finger.

  • 76. Dpeck  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Uh, no, Brian…. You can't change history even if you are a holocaust denyer. You can't change it even if you sell textbooks to the state of Texas. You can try, but all you're doing is lying. History has already happened. It's not gonna change. What an idiot.

  • 77. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:20 am

    "…like the who's in whoville…"

    love the image! Dahu-doray!

  • 78. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Heard somewhere in Raleigh: "NO on NOM" (like "NO on 8" in CA, "NO on 1" in ME).

  • 79. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:21 am

    You know….really we should show up in drag! Not just drag queens but lots of colorful gay costumes! Seriously, we should make this a spectacular party event. It takes all the potency of the hate away.

    We'll provide the Circus (Cirque du So-Gay style) and NOM can provide the freak side show!!!


    Peaceful Flash Mob –

  • 80. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:33 am

    I forgot to add that the RI legislature overrode the governor's veto, but it was still a very emotional issue:

  • 81. Dave in Maine  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Of course we can still be friends! It's healthy to have different views and discuss them respectfully!

    But let me be clear about my point-I don't care what the Christian Right thinks of me because THEY are a minority. My concern is the people, like in western Maine and northern Maine who may not have strong anti-gay feelings and might think that civil unions are okay. It's those people that we rated in the middle of the spectrum that we want to reach and sometimes you do have to be nice. If they see "the gays" as respectful "normal" people instead of the standard angry, shouting, activist-see us as someone they can identify with, then they'll be more likely to support the marriage question when it comes up again.

    I am not saying that that should be the case in every situation, but maybe with the NOM rallies and their cries of being bullied (and pointing out what happened in California after prop 8 passed) it might be a good idea to take a different tack.

    I am sure there's room for ALL sorts of protests still in this country, unfortunately…

    Dave in Maine

  • 82. Mark M  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Love is a VERY powerful force…one that is very hard to ignore.

  • 83. Bolt  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Give them hell!

  • 84. Bob  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:04 am

    @PamC someone could bring a coffin, suggesting the funeral service for NOM

  • 85. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:05 am

    I'll be quiet as a mouse if that what it takes!

  • 86. Dpeck  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Commenting from my own experience here in California in the days and weeks before the 2008 election, at the height of the Prop 8 protests –

    I did a lot of volunteering and protesting, some of it 'official' and organized by the No On 8 campaign, some of it much more grass-roots and almost impromptu, via email chains etc. There were a couple of times that I engaged in some 'shout fests' between groups of No on 8 and Yes on 8 protesters. It felt great, and believe me, I would be encouraging everyone here to get aggressive and confrontational IF IT WORKED.

    But it doesn't work. In fact, it was a really bad scene. I was in the middle of one of these confrontations taking place on a busy street in Oakland in front of a large movie theater. When the movie ended a huge crowd of people came out of the theater and they were confronted with this nasty situation of two large groups of people screaming "You're going to hell!!" and "Oh yeah? You're a bunch of goddamm bigots!!". I watched as the expressions on the faces of the moviegoers turned to scowls and frowns and it was clear that they just viewed the entire scene as unpleasant and scary and they all just wanted to get the hell away from all of us. They didn't care who was right or wrong and we had made it impossibe to win any of them over to our side.

    I understand the frustration and anger that makes us want to lash out at people who are bent on hurting us. I've done it myself and it felt friggen great – at the time. And SGM, if it worked, I'd be proud to stand with you and help you give the bastards hell. But I learned that we can't afford to engage in that behavior, as appealing as it may be.

  • 87. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Is this tasteful enough?

    My poster:

    N O M

    I'm 50+ and I've never done anything like this…

    I've had enough!

  • 88. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:09 am

    that didn]t post as I expected .. the N s/b over the O

    as in "NO NOM"

  • 89. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:35 am

    N O M

  • 90. Activist in RI  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:36 am

    I've been reading through the comments and have taken it all in. I think RI is going to be a different stop for NOM. It is on a Sunday so we are looking at high numbers. We are sick of being silent here in RI. We are also sick and tired of NOM, we have a chapter here and we are done with the lies and bigotry they have spread. Tomorrow is going to be a direct action initiative. We are going to be respectful but we are not going to be quiet. The goal is for NOM to get back on that bus quickly. The groups that are protesting were granted permits. No violence will be tolerated. But tomorrow NOM is going to get a different response. If we fail we'll learn from it. I don't think we will though. It's time to stand up and GETEQUAL!!!

  • 91. Mark M  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:40 am

  • 92. Marlene LeCornu  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Looks like many of them spend their dreary days eating! Substitute, maybe?

  • 93. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:43 am

    OK Guys and Gals, it is hot and humid as he!! in Providence Ri this weekend…

    Not to rain on our parade, but I wouldn't be surprised if NOM cancels…

    This is NOM's show, but it is our Parade!

    For those of you too young to have seen this:

  • 94. Katherine  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Why not sell rainbow umbrellas as a fundraiser? Sell them online and at your events. I would buy one and use it even when not protesting.

  • 95. Billy  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:46 am

    The facebook group I created for the counter rally! 😀

  • 96. MommaBear  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:47 am

    First, I want to say I am P.O.ed that there seems to be no Oregon date on the tour. I want my chance at these guys too. I think it is important to get "straight" identified families activly involved and out in the forefront. Think about how much it would undermine thier message if the very folks they were claiming to represent and be "protecting" were demonstrating against them. My husband and I for example are exactly the type of people they CLAIM to represent. (late30s-early 40ish, married, Five kids, salt of the earth folks.) I know of several such FAMILIES who would stand up and represent.(and THEY are NOT paid actors) If NOM does dare to show in my home state, My FAMILY and I will be waiting.

  • 97. Bolt  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Strongly disagree!

    "Show them love…show them pity…show them we are better than they think we are."

    They're absolutists, and these exchanges won't change anyone's mind, and I wouldn't tell anyone to bottle up their fabulous anger to please a camera, or to win the black heart, and tiny narrow mind of a bigot. These fools have power and control over our private lives. This reality is pathetic!

    Have fun being nice to them!

  • 98. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Wow Katherine! Love it!

    Turn NOM into a Gay Rights Fundraiser. That is the best idea yet!

    Sell t-shirts, mugs, umbrellas, rainbow beads, the works! How embarrassing for NOM to have Gays using them to raise funds FOR gay marriage at an event that is AGAINST it!!!

    Love it! As Ronnie says…Love the Hype!!!


  • 99. Bolt  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Turn it out!

  • 100. Dpeck  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    If NOM cancels, do't let it change a thing!! Go ahead with the rally and turn it into a huge celebration. Big signs, rainbow flags, the works. And make darn sure you contact the local media and play up the suspense – will NOM show up and be faced with a big pro-equality counterprotest?? Will they cancel?? Get the media to show up regardless if NOM puts in an appearance or not and get our message out there!

  • 101. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    BUt did you like the video?

  • 102. Ronnie  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    YESSSSSSSS!!!!….I Loveit…I Love Hype!!!

    I would totally buy an umbrella in every color & I want that tee shirt…The "Do you see my LOVE" shirt…. <3…Ronnie

  • 103. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Thanks so much for your support!! It's heartwarming, and expands our families. :)

  • 104. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Heh. I've heard that's actually been pretty effective against the Extremely Reverend Phelps and his clan.

    They tend to leave fairly quickly when they see their hate been used to raise money for their opposition (normal, non-hater type folks). :)

  • 105. PamC  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Love Barbra, Ray–how could I not? I was born in '59 and grew up hearing her all around!!

  • 106. Dpeck  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    @Ray – : )

    I'm as gay as it gets, but I gotta confess that I seem to have missed the 'Steisand gene'. In fact, I was a heavy metal musician in the L.A. rock scene during the '80s.

    But I do appreciate the sentiment, nonetheless : )

  • 107. G Rod  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Dave's focus on who our audience is an insightful one from my point of view. Dwight's suggestion of South Africa vuvzelas might do the trick, the soccer audience might think it savvy.

  • 108. Brian  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    This was brilliant!

    NOM gets most of its support by playing itself/marriage up as the victim. This kind of protect completely destroys their message.
    1. It is hard to be the 'victim' of a rainbow of people declaring their love.
    2. It ruins any press they might get, because though we were in their face, we were not in the way. The rainbow umbrellas are a WAY better photo-op than their platform.

    Direct confrontation is pointless. You are not going to change their minds, there is no point in trying. You want to change the minds of all the 'other' people.

    You won't garner much sympathy if you are seen as attacking people exercising their first ammendment rights. It just further places you in the 'those other kind of people' category.

    I think you will be best served by:
    1. Doing things to let others see you in a light they can relate to.
    2. Make sure the counter-rally is a better photo-op for the press than the NOM rally.
    3. Don't get arrest at the NOM rally. Do not let them play the victim.

  • 109. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Way to Go, ALbany! Too bad that the response I got from Equality NC was that they are NOT planning anything, saying that it would only give NOM's message more strength. That is okay. I will get with the LGBT Center in Raleigh, and we will still have a crowd there.

  • 110. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Forgot to click the box again!

  • 111. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    @G Rod: 'Dave’s focus on who our audience is an insightful one from my point of view. Dwight’s suggestion of South Africa vuvzelas might do the trick, the soccer audience might think it savvy.'

    Hmm. There's a soccer audience in the US???

    /me runs and hides


  • 112. Gina  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Good point. On the NOM side you'll never see a gay person or couple, yet on the pro side we see many straights. That point should be made clear at these rallies. We have support from all – while they are a small hateful and judgmental bunch.

  • 113. Bob  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Here's Lou's take on the whole thing.

  • 114. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    However, IIRC, Maggie has said there are several lgbt people that work for n0m.

    Of course she will not produce them, since they will certainly be attacked by the radical Rainbow Militias, but… that's the line they push.

  • 115. Dpeck  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    What??? Clearly, letting NOM's message get out there to the press and public uncontested would give their message more strength than presenting our side of the issue too. What the heck are they thinking at Equality NC?? I mean, if they don't plan to do anything in a situation like this, when exactly would they decide to do something??

  • 116. Activist in RI  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    I'm done being nice. The time is now for new tactics. Civil Disobedience and direct action.

  • 117. G Rod  |  July 17, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Numbers of friendly everyday individuals/couples/families is a powerful message, particularly expressed via visual media. Doing so at every event creates a significant impression. At NOM's expense. Like your perspective Dave.

  • 118. Jude  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Straight grandma, I feel you and hear you. I'm a 60s girl. But… Dave is right. NOM will twist anything. Today on their blog they twisted the fact that someone brought two dogs. "If that isn't a bullying tactic, I don't know what is." Go check Louis Marinelli's blog One Man, One Woman. Honestly, it is pathetic. If gay people breathe, they are being a threat.

    Taking the high road, documenting what they do on film, is what will reveal how shameful and hateful these people are. Everything else just, in their minds, convinces them that they are right.

    GetEquals actions are aimed at the government. They can take it. NOM is a very polished lying machine.

  • 119. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Wow. I mean. Wow.

    They really do live in a different reality don't they? Haha.

    The Rainbow Militia brought their dogs, you know, to intimidate the n0mers.

    And this gem from the link: 'Sitting on the grass with her three young kids, Maria, pictured to the right, was prohibited from viewing the rally from this line of homosexual activists who refused to move over a few feet to allow for a line of vision for the nursing mother. She asked them and we also asked them to stand slightly to the left or right out of respect for Maria but they wouldn't budge. One of them even threatened us when we asked them to move over. One of those 'you better not touch us' lines. Really classy.

    But that's not it. After we were unsuccessful at getting them to move over for Maria, it gets worse. If you noticed, I mentioned that Maria is a nursing mother. I did that for a reason. During the rally, Maria asked the protesters to at least turn around and face the rally so that she could nurse her baby. They refused and said that if she wanted to nurse her baby that she should get up, pack up and move elsewhere. Maria told me she was frightened by the activists.

    Nice staging of your supporter n0m! :)

    If you actually look at the picture, this is so clearly a pile of arranged bullshit. What, she couldn't move 4 feet forward? Or 1-4- feet left right? She was the only one in that whole section of freakin grass? No, of course not – that wasn't the point of placing here there in the first place :)

    See SG – This is the game they are playing. They want to get their supporters out there of course, but the real battle is the media and messaging – the real purpose of this whole excersize.

    Anything they can possibly twist to support their victim-hood, they are going to push.

    Just my opinion of course, but come on… :)

  • 120. Jude  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    I love this idea! NOM, the surprise musical.

  • 121. Jude  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    The NOM event had 11 people confirmed as attending. How Hilarious.

  • 122. Sagesse  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    With the hardening of the NOM message, who and what they are is obvious to anyone who is present (unless they're committed zealots, in which case, there's no reaching them).

    I have to agree that presenting as reasonable, non-threatening citizens counters the message quite well. And families, lots of families. And if the occasion calls for a strong united visual of red shirts or rainbow umbrellas, so much the better. Really love the rainbow umbrellas.

  • 123. Jenny  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Hi Felyx,
    I agree that it's brilliant, but if I lived in Albany, I'd happily be an umbrella-holder and T-shirt wearer, and I'm straight. I hope that eventually the message isn't about sexuality or failure, but equality and the fact that we ARE one.

  • 124. Jude  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    I agree completely. I've been following their blogs. They will twist absolutely everything. This is a great opportunity to show LGBT folks and supporters as we really are. Every day, kind people who just want the same rights.

  • 125. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    @Jude: 'NOM is a very polished lying machine.'

    This. +1. That's their mission. And they are very good at it. It would be a mistake to underestimate them.

  • 126. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    You've got to be effin kidding me! The 'nursing mother' was afraid of a bunch of people standing well away from her, in an orderly line? And she objects because they wouldn't turn around when she wanted to nurse???? She's nursing her child in public, in a public park. Does she expect everyone to turn around? And before anyone jumps on me about this – I am a staunch advocate of women being able to nurse in public; it's absurd that we, as a culture, have so sexualized women's breasts that this is even an issue. I nursed my kids in public, and I did it before I had legal protections assuring my right to do so. But if you're in public, you have to accept that some people might see your titties!!!!

    I'm so sick of these people. And I'm so glad I don't live their lives. How sad.

  • 127. Chris  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I suspect a same-sex couple with their children would have received far more harassment from the NOM people than poor lactating Maria got from those terrible homosexual activists.

    Also wonder about NOM's opinions concerning mobs of howling anti-abortion people menacing pregnant teenagers outside clinics.

    Their outrage is like their morals: selective to the point of hypocrisy.

  • 128. Jay  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    My partner and I were at the NOM rally (not to support NOM). Here is a photo set from the event:

    And a YouTube video of the exit:

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    NOM warned their supporters of "civil unrest" that they would meet on their way out. You can see here how that turned out.

  • 129. Billy  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Louis Marinelli is a turd.

    He's totally ok with homosexuality… as long as it is hot lesbian teens. His myspace page has the band t.A.T.u. listed as one of his few friends. Guess he left his moral high horse outside when he saw those girls…

  • 130. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    @Jay: Thanks for the pics. I really wish n0m were doing Denver. I'd be there!

  • 131. RebeccaRGB  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    I wish I could see an aerial view of that event. Must have looked amazing.

  • 132. Jay  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    I missed the picnic unfortunately. It's allergy season here and Benadryl prevented me from being awake for that one. 😉 I'm glad I could make it to the rally though! :)

  • 133. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Thanks, Jay. Who was playing the song "this land is your land"? If it was NOM, anyone know whose recording they're using? Almost sounds like Joan Baez. If that's the case, I'm absolutely certain she'd have something to say about her recording being used this way.

  • 134. James Tuttle  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Very well said Kathleen. I love the anthropological input. But this really is a joke. if you wanted privacy go around the corner…she did this purposely to prove a point or get a jab in later.

  • 135. JonT  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    @Jay: 'It’s allergy season here and Benadryl prevented me from being awake for that one'

    Oh – I know what that's like :)

    The stuff works great, but it really does kick your ass doesn't it.

    Hope you feel better, and I'm glad you had the opportunity to do what you did!


  • 136. James Tuttle  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Its seeing pictures and videos like these that make me truly proud to be a gay person. Sometimes I feel bad for being born a lot later and missing the Stonewall/Milk era but I feel as though I still have ample oppertunety to put my stamp on this movement for equality, and I really hope I can. (Even if I can't freaking spell oppertunety) =-)

  • 137. Jay  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    NOM was playing "This Land is Your Land". I'm not sure of whose recording it is.

  • 138. Sagesse  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    "NOM was playing “This Land is Your Land”."

    How incredibly ironic.

  • 139. Jay  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Thanks Jon!

  • 140. Jay  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    My partner and I said the same exact thing on the way out! (And well within earshot of the NOM folks.)

  • 141. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    I'm dead serious about this. If this is a recording that they're using at all their events, we need to find a way to figure out whose recording of the song it is — either find a way to get the information from NOM or someone make a clear enough recording that we can determine who it is.

    If this IS Joan Baez, I'm quite certain she would be willing to make a big stink about it. She is a very vocal supporter of glbt rights.

    And NOM is just stupid and arrogant enough to not realize they don't get to just use any recording they want to w/out proper rights. It's like the stoopid Repubs using music by Talking Heads, Jackson Browne, Bruce Springsteen, et al.

  • 142. Owen  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    I have to agree with Dave. I'm a young, gay man. I hadn't delved into the gay rights movement much until last year. I was incensed after prop. 8 was passed, but I was rather hesitant to really join the fray and jump into the gay rights movement when I saw some of the imagery related to prop. 8's passage last year. As angry as I was at the whole thing, I was a bit turned off when I saw the infamous footage of protesters shouting at that old woman, snatching that sign right out of her hands, and stomping on it.

    I didn't really think the action so bad, but I knew what the general public might think of it, and it really gave me pause about being a part of the gay rights movement if it meant being associated with that kind of imagery.

    It wasn't until the battle over Maine's referendum heated up that I was galvanized enough to worry about our struggle again (I'm somewhat ashamed to admit).

  • 143. Heather Sheridan  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Oh someone needs to look into the driving distances between stops. Driving a bus that big requires the driver to follow D.O.T. driving times and the distance between some of the stops would mean the driver had to ignore the DOT driving times for the maximum amount of driving allowed by a single driver. Plus the person has to have a certain certification on their driver's license to drive a tour bus. If he does not have it and has not been filling out the proper D.O.T. Logs then they will be fined out the ass.

  • 144. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Felyx- Okay you convinced me. That flash mob idea as shown in this video is fantastic. And the idea of singing we are going to the Chapel is perfect. I do love your flash mob idea, it was great of you to keep promoting it.

  • 145. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    I haven't seen Carvel around here in quite a while. Hey Carvel, if you're lurking… check in and let me know you're okay.


  • 146. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Richard Walter- Pathetic absolutly pathetic. This reminds me of the attitude of the Human Rights Campaign., "No, nobody do anything, we are in charge we will handle it, just send money." I am glad you are not giving up.

  • 147. Zander  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    I see they have July 23 (Columbus) and 24 (Lima) in Ohio… Any facebook sites rallying troops for these two events? I'd love to be there in protest of NOM.

  • 148. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    I’m not one to shy away from an “in your face” protest. I’ve done plenty of them for different issues – everything from the Vietnam War to public transportation for people w/disabilities. And I agree that there are times when we need to be noisy.

    But my personal opinion for this particular tour is that the non-aggressive forms of protest are going to be the most effective and play best in the media. Part of what was so effective about what they did in Albany, was giving a great visual for TV and print.

    Plus I don’t want to see anything that can be used by the haters as “proof” of how they’re ‘victimized by the militant homos.’

  • 149. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Only thing I found was this site, but no posting of specifics yet.

    Hey Courage Campaign… do you have any information on which local groups are coordinating counter-demonstrations in the different locations?

  • 150. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Is it possible that the picture was taken before the marriage equality groups arrived?

  • 151. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Love, Love, LOVE thei video. As for the song I say WE take that song-

    This Land is your land
    This land is GAY Land
    From California to the New York Island
    From the redwood forests to the Gulf Stream waters
    This land is GAY for you and me.

    THAT should be the rally song!

  • 152. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    I thought CC had posted a list of the orgs they're working with on the tour, but can't find it. Maybe I just imagined it.

  • 153. Zander  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Thanks Kathleen!

  • 154. Truth Wins Out - Marriage&hellip  |  July 17, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    […] at the government center adjacent to the state Capitol in Albany, and then held a silent vigil surrounding NOM’s declaration of political warfare against the state’s gay […]

  • 155. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    You're welcome. You might also contact Equality Ohio and see if they have anything planned.

  • 156. Mark M  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    That is PERFECT!!!

  • 157. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Peaceful Flash Mob!!!

    Check it out!


  • 158. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Motorcade would be awesome…make it look like a gay pride rally with the NOM bus in the middle!

    Let’s give them all the attention they can stand!

    Another plug for the Peaceful Flash Mob Phenomenon…


  • 159. Mark M  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    I so do NOT want to see our people doing aggressive things that can be used against us in the media…..all we need is for them to be able to show some of our people doing things that can be twisted and used to show we are the violent people they claimed we were during the Prop 8 trial.
    Stonewall was a different time and place. This is now and what we need is to show them we are good honest decent people.
    Show them love…show them pity…show them we are better than they think we are.

  • 160. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    woke up this morning and re-read the thread and am recentering. First off KUDO's to Billy in Indianapolis for starting a facebook page to have a starting point to building a protest there. Billy I hope you are working your butt off getting people to participate. The Facebook page is only a start. I think a good place to recruite for volunteers to show up is college campuses. If you are not able to get an e-mail contact for the student GLBT group from anyone in administration then a call to student housing will get you the info. Student housing knows everyone. I will contact you via Facebook for your contact information so that I can send you a donation.

    How about a sign that represents Hate and Bigotry and you throw shoes at our sign? Throwing shoes is symbolic, remember when that guy threw shoes at President Bush? Rember that? Remember Stonewall that started with the toss of a shoe?

    Here would be a great protest, place 14,000 pairs of army boots on the step of the US Capitol signifying each and every soldier who has been discharged because of DADT. (I don't knwo the exact number just pulling 14,000 out of the air)

    Or a pair of shoes for each GLBT person who has been the victim of a hate crime and a red posterboard under each one that has been murdered.

    Shoes, shoes I am deep into the symbolism this morning.
    I love Feliyix's flash mob idea also. They wear street clothes and at first appear to be part of the NOM crowd, and then they pull off thier street shirts revealing a red shirt and break out into song and danse
    "This land is our land
    This land is GAY Land
    From California to the New York Island
    From the redwood forests to the gulf stream waters
    This land is made for you and me."
    And the Equality side marches up and down singing the revised verison of This Land is your land.

    A University danse group could pull together a flash mob danse.

    Since NOM picked out this music it would be wickedly fun to turn it right back around on them.

    I hope and pray Rhode Island Kicks *ss at their event. Albany was a real motivator. I am still for Direct ActionI am not for silcence, not at all.

  • 161. ol&p  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Laugh at them. Who could argue with laughter.

  • 162. Dpeck  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    I just went to the Equality North Carolina web site and sent them this message:


    I have heard that Equality NC has decided not to plan any kind of counterprotest when NOM brings their show to town. I heard you have been telling folks that 'it would only make NOM's message stronger'. Please tell me this is not true.

    Which would we rather see on the news:

    1. Coverage of NOM's event with soundbites from NOM, ending with the newscaster saying "there was no counterprotest", or

    2. Coverage of NOM's event with soundbites from NOM, followed by soundbites from pro-equality demonstrators and lots of footage of our counterdemonstration?

    I'm not advocating any ugly confrontations with NOM, but you need to take advantage of this opportunity to get our message out to the media and to the public! If not now, when??


    You can do the same by going to the site:
    and clicking on the "CONTACT" button in the upper right corner.

  • 163. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    That is awesome. That would make a very poignant point. Perhaps one of the cities can plan/organize something like that video.

  • 164. Billy  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Alright, I’ve scoured facebook, and I don’t see any event or group for the Indianapolis counter rally July 26th. Can anyone else find one, or should I make it?

  • 165. Bob  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    two points of view, what to do???, personally, the Albany approach speaks volumes, and leaves a message long after it eneded, just the photo’s alone, I’m tryng to imagine what it would be like sitting there listening to NOM’S message, while staring at the backs of the people who they are directing their hate towards, and in such a passive stance, that’s got to be etched in their memories for ever, and of course the rainbow umberellas, define us,
    whoever arrangd this is brilliant, to have the two groups together simultaneously, those photo’s willl speak volumes whenever they are seen in the future.
    SG the shoes are a great idea but a different take would be to make a silent display, placed in a group, symbolizing those rainbow children who have taken their lives, or been murdered, it’s a way of bringing them to life for the present protest. with poster perhaps names of those who have died due to hatred.
    another approach also very effective, is to have a group of people who are willing to dialog, maybe a sign saying , willing to talk, and just sit there visible before during and after, Soulforce uses this approach and have had some major one on one’s after the main event is over,

    What to do , what to do, I think make a choice one or the other, but I think a mixed approach would bring mixed results. Albany still screams out in it’s silence. and rainbows, use the flag of our people in whatever form, in Albany the umberellla’s did the trick,

  • 166. Michelle Evans  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    He's already changed history by photoshopping all the marriage equality people right out of the picture!!

  • 167. James Tuttle  |  July 17, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    I say make one. And send it to EVERYONE! Good Luck! =-)

  • 168. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Brian Brown in Albany: “When we stand up, we can change history.”

    What history is Brian Brown trying to change?

    Seems more like this is a phrase we would use…not NOM.

  • 169. allen  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Puts a smile in my face to hear the lyrics of Woody Guthrie blaring in that video :)

  • 170. James Tuttle  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Anger is the answer…later. NOW is the time for silence. Now is the time when others are actively voicing their hate, and I say, give them their time. If we can be an unheard force, than I believe we are much more powerful. Please be patient everyone…we WILL have our time to SCREAM, YELL, and SHOUT!!!!!! NOW is not that time.

  • 171. Michelle Evans  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    In answer to the question of who is singing this version being used by NOM, my wife and I agree that it is most likely the 1962 recording from Peter, Paul, and Mary. As far as we know Joan Baez never did a recording of this song.

    If anyone has a way to track down anyone from Peter, Paul, and Mary, that would be great for them to go after NOM, along with the people in the bus wrap photos having their images used for hate. Sounds like a class action suit forming with all the people that NOM steals from to support their lies.

  • 172. Michelle Evans  |  July 17, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Look up Peter, Paul, and Mary on You Tube and you'll hear that it is definitely them doing the signing from the NOM recording.

    I went to their web site, and tried to use the Contact button, but for some reason it didn't work for me. If anyone here would like to drop them a note about the utter misues of their song, their web site is:

  • 173. Mark M  |  July 17, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Anger and 'Direct Action' is NOT the answer…it will only serve to make us that which NOM is already accusing us of being. We CAN NOT afford to give them any ammunition to use against us in the media.
    Please hold your tongues and open your hearts…be the better persons. Let those observing see NOM for what they are in contrast to our peaceful counter protests.

  • 174. Kathleen  |  July 17, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Thanks, Michelle. You're right. Listening to it more closely, it does sound like PP&M. I sent a note through the contact at the website. If I don't get a reply in a few days, I'll see if I can track down P&P's managers (Mary is, sadly, no longer with us).

  • 175. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Mark M, I am disagreeing with you but not being disagreable. When is the time for shouting and yelling and chanting and direct action? Your position kind of reminds me of the politicians, "Yes we need to repeal DOMA, but now now, now is not the time" When is it ever the time?

    We have won in the District Court in Boston against DOMA, The Federal Govt says it is on it's way to repeal DADT, there is another Federal Trial in California on DADT, and we jsut finished the Prop 8 trial a month ago. GLBT people should build on this momentium, NOW not later, NOW.

    Are you against Flash Mob? Did you look at the videos Felyx posted? Are you against chanting "Equality Now?" Are you against throwing shoes at a hate board? What exactly are you against in reference to Direct Action?

  • 176. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    JonT- Let's give the media something to write about. Big whoop a silent protest, does not seem like an exciting article to write about for a journalist.

    Here is the thing, I have a vested intrest in this cause. My grandchildren justt turned 2 years old in May. Our daughter in law was the birth mother using an anonymous sperm donor. In the state of Virginia my daughter cannot legally be the legal co-parent to her twin children. So that makes me legally not the grandmother to my own grandchildren.

    I don't know what your perosonal situations are if legal same sex marriage really has any immediate impact on you at all, but it does TO ME. I am being oppressed right now and NOM is a HUGE reason why, a huge reason. You say not today, no shouting and direct action today, wait until later, well my grandchildren just turned 2, I won't wait a minute longer, not a minute.

  • 177. Straight Grandmother  |  July 17, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    BradK- NICE :) Very creative, and actually truly represents him correctly.

  • 178. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    @Dpeck, no Streisand? (You and my husband!)

    @Pamzee: I'm two years ahead of you… the kids around here missed out on a lot of good music!

  • 179. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Peter, Paul, and Mary are staunch advocates for LGBT Rights also!

  • 180. Ray in MA  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Let's ALL bring Cabbage Patch dolls and hold their faces onto our chest.

  • 181. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Shoot… I meant "@Billy"!

  • 182. Rhonda  |  July 17, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    They are trying really hard.

    Brian: Protestors block nursing mother at Albany. She asks, they refuse to move. Classy. #nom #marriagetour

    nOm tweet

    <3 Rhonda

  • 183. AdrianT  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Some fighting talk from the Straight Grandmother – I like it!

    You have a right to be angry – light comes from heat.

    All this pious talk about 'moral high ground' is nonsense. All civil rights movements made ground in the past because they made themselves heard: the suffragettes, the march on washington by the black people in the 60s, the Trade Unions.

    What you have to do is lead the debate. that's how NOM wins. They have made it about an attack on the family, they have tapped into people's fears.

    You should tap into the public's fears too – this is not just about gay rights. This is one part of a mission by the Christian Extreme Right to turn america into a theocracy.

    NOM links with, shares platforms with, campaigns alongside groups like the Alliance Defense Fund, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family.

    These people destroy the education system, ruining children's minds with Creationism instead of teaching them science. They want to make abortion a murder charge, including taking the morning after pill.

    They want to turn the American military into a religious war machine – stoking up more sectarianism on the West Bank, inciting yet more jihadi extremism.

    Look at the Texas Republican Party manifesto to see what life would be like if NOM / FRC / ADF had their way: a Christian version of Iran. Their vision is a Texas where gay people are thrown in jail, and non-christians are treated like 2nd class citizens.

    These people are dangerous fanatics. If you get the chance: ask them how old they believe the earth to be, and if they accept that human beings and dinosaurs lived at least 65 million years apart.

    The whole argument on gay marriage and gay rights is religious based – and the Virginia Statute , giving the people freedom from as well as of religion, should be enough to make same sex marriage bans illegal in any case.

  • 184. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    And the dogs! I may be wrong, but those dogs looked like black labs. black labs are about as vicious as a bowl of Jello. The only times I have ever seen black labs turn nasty is when someone is trying to hurt them, their family, or any children that are around. Get real, Louis! And non of my sisters had any problem with nursing in public. Kathleen, you are so right! It is a severe SHANDA that NOM has so sexualized everything. And they are the sick ones, because they are so concerned with one small part of our lives. Makes you wonder what their sex lives are like.

  • 185. fiona64  |  July 17, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Me, too — all of it. I'm rather disappointed that their "nationwide" tour doesn't include anywhere west of the Mississippi, because this straight chick would be there, too.


  • 186. James Tuttle  |  July 18, 2010 at 12:23 am

    True, indeed. But where will anger get us? I'm angry as hell…about everything that has been heaped upon us…about the f****** lies people tell about us and our families every day. Ya know….I look around my house and I see how NORMAL I am; the dishes that need washing, the damn towels in the drier that I really don't want to fold, the cat scratching something or other, the bills I need to pay, and I think how stupidly unfair it is that my partner and I can't get married when we are so average. We just want to hold hands and wear rings with the knowledge that people understand WHAT our love is about…not sex (well…ya know, sometimes lol)…but commitment, and that that commitment is recognized not only by the government but by U.S. culture…ALL of it. Anger has its time and place and I think maybe this particular time is a time for quiet. We are loud at the pride parades and often times those are thrown right back in our faces…so lets just stand tall and proud at these NOM bus stops and let everyone know that we are a force to be reckoned with and we will not respond with language or action but we will be there in solidarity.

  • 187. Bob  |  July 18, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Brad, I'n borrowing, thanks!

  • 188. Tedd  |  July 18, 2010 at 1:01 am

    The most powerful statement in protest I ever remember were the angels that surrounded the Westborough Baptist hatemongers at Matthew Sheppards funeral. It was silent, it was beautiful and most of all hugely powerful. It pointed out a tremedous difference in the two sides.

    Let their hate be heard, but show a positive image that they are trying to paint as evil.


    Screaming them down won't work this time with this issue. California and prop H8 showed us that.

  • 189. BradK  |  July 18, 2010 at 1:03 am

  • 190. Dpeck  |  July 18, 2010 at 1:40 am

    In the words of Act Up, SILENCE = DEATH.

    But so does acting aggressive toward NOM while the public and press look on.

    I agree that a truly 'silent' protest is not nearly enough. We need to speak up and get the message to the public and press, and shouting at NOM is not getting the message to the public or press. It hurts our cause.

    Put your anger and energy to positive use. Go to the NOM rallies in huge numbers. Bring simple clear messages on your signs and shirts that can be understood when shown on the news for only two seconds. Bring literature and other things to give to the public and do not hesitate to approach the public and the press witha big smile and start talking. They won't come to you. Talk to everyone who happens to be anywhere within earshot of the event. Pay attention to the people passing by in the background.

    You can make it a loud, happy celebration with lots of dancing etc. to get people's attention, but then you gotta give them the message.

  • 191. James Tuttle  |  July 18, 2010 at 1:43 am

    WOW! M.G. is creepy. She's awkward in a public setting…

  • 192. Bolt  |  July 18, 2010 at 1:51 am

    They're afraid. The LGBTQIAs' throughout New England are afraid to. The community in Florida is plagued with fear!

  • 193. Ron  |  July 18, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Wow, what an awesome bunch of ideas and comments! We (my sweet ss husband of >5 years, thanks to Canada) are very proud of all of you! We'd give anything if the hate-peddlers would bring their fear-and-ignorance tour to SoCal! We would be there counterprotesting in a heartbeat. Silent or not, anything good people can do to overwhelm nom is excellent, and we are there win you in spirit. We hope that at every stop the haters are outnumbered many times over. Since we can't afford airline tickets now, let 'em have it, and all our love and support is with you.

  • 194. Bolt  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:00 am


  • 195. Mark M  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:44 am

    When did you ever see MLK scream and yell and partake in aggressive behavior? Never is the answer… can scream as loud and as long as you like SG but all you do is get a sore throat and turn people off to your words.
    I appreciate your anger and your passion for our cause…but honestly tone it down and dial it back a bit…you will get nowhere with what you are advocating.
    How much damage will be done if NOM is able to pull on video of our people being openly hateful, violent, vulgar, loud, obnoxious, and rude? No one watching from their comfy homes will see us as the angry victims standing up for ourselves…what they will see is what NOM is trying to paint us out to be…evil, hurtful, and hateful.

    I have been 'engaged' to my love for 27 yrs now…we have had 3 different ceremonies (wedding) but none have been legal….don't you dare imply I am not in this fight. This is more important to me/us than you could ever really know. You have your rights….WE do not.

  • 196. JonT  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:46 am

    I’m with you Mark.

    They are the haters. Not us.

    I see no value in stooping to their level.

  • 197. Billy  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:55 am


    From what I understand of Louis Marinelli, he speaks fluent Russian, and plans to transfer there for school. Sorry he's coming to your neck of the woods D:

  • 198. BradK  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:15 am

    Tee hee….

    Thanks, all! Though my 'shop skills are nothing to write home about, sometimes even a crude picture is worth a 1K words.

    I know Nazi comparisons are over used, but in this case the combination of Herr Gruppenführer's defiant posture, smug expression, and olive drab coat just screamed out the arrogance of Master Race (or, rather, Master Orientation). And like his predecessors, pride cometh before the fall.

  • 199. Mark M  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:24 am

    Even ACT UP knew when it was time to have a silent peaceful demonstration. These worked for better than their violent aggressive 'let's get arrested' ones

  • 200. jON Hildreth  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:33 am

    Why are these a-holes donning the colors of the gay flag in their ceremony!??

  • 201. Billy  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:33 am

    I like how over half the people at this rally no less than 43 years ago didn't have the right to marry whoever they wanted (member of a different race/ethnicity). How easily people forget what state-sponsored discrimination feels like. I can only hope that 40-50 years from the time we reach equality, that we are not as hypocritical.

  • 202. Billy  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:37 am

    I'm in with Ivy Tech Community College, and have access to their email directory. I could send messages out to all the glbt groups (but they're so underpopulated). Fortunately, Richmond IN where I live close to has like 3 or so college campuses in town. Could always put up a few strategic fliers.

  • 203. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:41 am

    @ Everyone

    God I wish I could promote it! I will probably be in surgery the day they are here…:( Otherwise I would be working on the choreography now.

    But that doesn't mean the rest of you need give up! In all seriousness, no amount of preaching will ever get nearly as much attention as a good song and dance with lots of color. When all is said and done, the TV, the radio and the printed word will still be presented. By that I mean to say, a celebration of life with a one word message will bury all of NOM's hate speech into total obscurity.

    People like color, people like to see well choreographed presentations (when people work cooperatively and not competitively we do phenomenal things!) people like song and deep down people prefer happy shiny Gay people to angry gNOMes.

    That is why, despite the criticism, gay pride parades get so much attention and do so well! Pride parades have done more for our cause then anything else. Who can hate happy colorful proud people having fun? (And before anyone starts commenting on men in briefs and lesbians going topless I will point out that not one of our detractors has ever gone after the Mardi Gras festival…I have never been to a pride parade with outright nudity!!…not that I would mind.)

    We would never have gotten to court if we hadn't started the party first! Let people see us for who we are happy and GAY! That is where people see that there is no threat. (Except NOMmers that don't know how to talk to their children.)

    Celebrate! Party! Sing! Dance! …. Let NOM spin its wheels and its rhetoric all it wants…. our deeper spiritual mission is to show people how to be happy and gay!

    I love you all. I will be attending even if only in spirit!


  • 204. Mark M  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:43 am

    They aren't buddy…those are OUR people.

  • 205. Dave in CA  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:47 am

    One other idea might be to go for the absurdist approach, copying what the Twitter office did when Fred Phelps and his group staged one of their demonstrations in San Francisco. Twitter employees met them with random, ridiculous, nonsensical signs and turned their protest into a laugh-out loud celebration of silliness. The Phelps people left when they realized they had become a laughing stock.

    I'd prefer taking the opportunity to get out a message about "equal means everybody" – who can argue with that? – but tossing out some more ideas here.

  • 206. VRAlbany  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:49 am

    This straight chick was an umbrella holder! It felt great to stand up for what's right.

  • 207. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:59 am

    You know…Raleigh is a college town. There are three major colleges in the area and a slew of smaller ones and Chapel Hill is super gay friendly. It would be a MASSIVE shame not to coral all that wonderful youthful gay energy to do something spectacular right here in Raleigh!

    Golden opportunity….time's a-ticking.

    Felyx – Who will show up in a wheel chair if necessary.

  • 208. BradK  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:04 am

    Agreed, that was pretty appalling on so many levels. By all means lets restore the dignity of traditional marriage — between a white landowner and his subservient property wife. No others need apply.

    Maggie the Cow is not only a truly awful human being, she's an equally awful speaker. Shrill, grating, and almost staccato in delivery.

    Cow on a Hot Tin Roof.

  • 209. Mackenzie  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:13 am

    this might have already been covered, but this thread is long that I don't have time to read all the posts right now! :) But is there a site or an email list set up where people interested in attending these counter-NOM events can go to get the details? I live in MO and am asking off work for the 5th of August when NOM comes to St Lou. MO gays love a good old fashioned protest but I don't who to get in touch with to make sure I, and the rest of us get there.


  • 210. Kathleen  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:14 am

    That's the general consensus around here. I intend to at least make it known known to Peter & Paul that it's being used. Hopefully, they'll make a stink about it (and I'm hoping it will be a public stink). I sent an email last night and will contact their management tomorrow.

  • 211. Bob  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:18 am

    I miss Carvel's long rambling posts, filled with information, and energy,

    also same for David Kimble, how are ya

  • 212. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:20 am

    Just read the article from the LM blogsite.

    "Apparently, they were there without a permit which caused a few State Troopers to arrive and inform that they could not rally at that time and location without a permit. The police left the scene shortly afterwards, leaving the homosexual activists surrounding the podium."

    Evidently the Police were not that concerned about the permit. (Or else LM is telling little black lies.)

    "…as you can see in the picture to the left, they brought some dogs with them."

    I have a vicious attack dog like the ones pictured … unfortunately he is scared of squirrels and caves to anyone with a dog treat.

    "Now if this isn't a bullying tactic, I don't know what is."

    That is self-evident to be sure.

    "I mean, look at this dog they've got standing with them. Luckily, he was on a leash."

    'Look everyone! Look how those law-abiding leash using homo-supporters are terrifying us! I'm tellin' the cops on you!!!'

    Petty but never-the-less very petty.


    PS: One guy there gave his take on the situation in the comments section…

    "Felix said…
    I was there today and I can honestly say that most of what is described here didn't happen how this guy is describing it
    July 17, 2010 8:55 PM"

    For some reason I feel a real connection with this guy! 😛

  • 213. Bob  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:27 am

    It would be highly unlikely for a straight person to display a rainbow flag, unless the were totally clueless as to it's significance.
    As a gay person, we used that symbol, to identify ourselves, the smallest little sticker discretelly placed on a bumper or windshield,
    Or a tiny one in a store front, always indicated a gay friendly business, quite often you had to look hard to find them.
    But people are becoming more bold and the stickers or flalgs are more obvious.
    Frequently, this display results in vandalism or hate crimes, so you have to be gutsy to display one.

    A rainbow flag is a sign of stregth and solidarity, worldwide, it's ours,

  • 214. Kathleen  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:41 am

    Thanks so much, VRAlbany! It DOES feel good to stand for what's right!

  • 215. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:51 am

    Popped this image up when Papa Foma was standing here…

    We were both taken aback…I see the comparison but Wow were we both shocked!

    Not sure what to say about this, other than, be careful and wise and use your photoshop powers judiciously!

    Felyx (And Papa Foma who was more distressed than I.)

  • 216. Straight Grandmother  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:58 am

    Mark M, 27 years together is truly a commitment in LOVE and for this I sallute you. If I think of the society 27 years ago I can't imagine how you endured this long, but KUDOS to you two. But after my nice words I have to come back at you. No kids right? Yeah kids change the ENTIRE equation. You can never feel my heat, until unless you ahve children and grandchildren. Yeah if YOU had children and grandchildren you would not suggest I tone it down and dial it down. I am tired, oh so tired, of worring about being percieved as "openly hateful, violent, vulgar, loud, obnoxious, and rude" You do not have the passion I have, and in fact we all should have. We need to be careful Mark that we do not fight amonghst ourselves, then the H8tros win. I do not agree with you and any same sex couple who is raising children in one of the vast majoirty of states who have opressive laws against them will not either. You don't understand and I dont' expect you to understand, you gotta be a parent or grandparent to understand the INTENSITY of my rejection of the status quo. Oh sure 27 years together, legal marriage doens't really count that much in your life, you are a coule you are fine as is. But just wait until one of you is permentely disabled, when you don't get the 1.300 Federal beniftis of marraiage, then you will be singing a different tune, mark my words. GLBT people are already a minority, a small minority, GLBT people with children are an even smaller minority. This meand more to ME than to YOU and this is why I am more revolutionary than you. But again do not let this seperate us fromt he cause. We just feel diferntly is all. Kids change you Mark, they really do. Being nice has not accomplished much at all. Lt Dan chained himself to the Whitehouse fence, and surprise! Sudden movement on DADT. Make Noise, be LOUD and be HEARD, that is what gets attention to our cause. Ask Lt Dan if I am right or wrong.

  • 217. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:04 am

    I am in tears!!! Way to shine an absurdist light on the seriously ridiculous!

    Thank you!


  • 218. fiona64  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:05 am

    Suffragettes mostly stood silently on the sidewalks holding signs. The civil rights marches were peaceful protests in the vein of Gandhi.

    There is such a thing as non-violent direct action, and that's what *works.*


  • 219. fiona64  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:07 am

    Really? You think that straight allies at a silent protest would not hold a rainbow flag or display rainbow colors in solidarity?

    Wow …

  • 220. Kathleen  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:25 am

    SG, Yes, I think it is possible to disagree w/out being disagreeable. But I think it is disagreeable to suggest that because someone's opinion differs as to the best tactics to use that it means that person lacks the passion you feel.

    You say you feel you have a vested interest in this cause. I accept that you do. But for you to suggest that you feel more passionately about it than does a gay man who can't marry his partner of 27 years is, I believe, a suggestion that belittles that man's feelings. I believe we make a serious mistake the moment we start arguing about who feels the most committed to the cause, or the most harmed by the inequities we face.

    As I have expressed several times, I am also of the opinion that these counter-demonstrations on the NOM tour are best conducted in a non-violent and non-aggressive fashion. That suggestion isn't because I feel less deeply about the cause than you do; it is because I DO feel deeply and it is my sincere belief that we will accomplish more by conducting ourselves that way in this context. I assume it is for the same reason that Mark makes this suggestion and not because he cares less about the issue as a result of not having children.

  • 221. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:30 am

    Hehe… t.A.T.u is a Russian band, and since I’m Russian I know a bit about them.  They are not really lesbians, both girls from that band are now married with kids.  Married to men (different men).  Show business whores.  Russia was fine with that band only because everybody understood the whole thing was staged.  Hype, nothing else.  Maybe that’s why Marinelli is friends with them — they are “cured of gay” now?

  • 222. Straight Grandmother  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:30 am

    Great visual. Question for you, was it TOTALLY silent at all times or did you speak up and chant/sing at times?

  • 223. StraightForEquality  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:44 am

    In another photo of the event I saw that there is a (sparse) crowd of NOM supporters between "Maria" and the speaker. The equality guys are behind the NOM folks. If the poor mother can't see through the large spaces between the rainbow umbrella guys she might miss a view of these NOM folks who are blocking her view of the speaker. There are also people sitting on a bench facing Maria. Were they asked to close their eyes?

  • 224. Bob  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:44 am

    correction accepted and appreciated Fiona, my mistake, a straight ally could be holding the rainbow flag, in solidarity,

  • 225. Mark M  |  July 18, 2010 at 5:51 am

    Our son is 32 and our daughter is about to turn 26…anything else you'd like to assume SG.
    You are almost no better than some of the H8ers

  • 226. Mark M  |  July 18, 2010 at 6:01 am

    Thank you Kathleen….you are correct on all points!

  • 227. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 18, 2010 at 6:02 am

    I, too, sent the letter!
    It is a shame North Carolina Equality team is so reluctant to do something.

  • 228. Sagesse  |  July 18, 2010 at 6:15 am

    One thing to remember. It's almost obvious from Marinelli's post, that nothing happened. They felt threatened by the leashed dogs, but the dogs didn't do anything to anyone. If they had, he'd have written about it. And the nursing mother felt intimidated by the men standing silently 5 feet away, but they didn't do anything beyond speak to her. If they had, Marinelli would have said so.

  • 229. Straight Grandmother  |  July 18, 2010 at 6:20 am

    Kathleen, without being snotty, I would simply observe that you are in fact the legal parent to your children, right? If the state came and legally seperated you from your children you would feel more like me. Imagine that you have to make special arrangements at school because you are not the legal parent. Imagine that you may not travel on an airplane with your children without "permission" of their birth parent. I will bet the donut against the hole that Mark, "Calm down SG we will win them over with kindness" does not have mutual children with his spouce, nor grandchildren. I could tell by the way he was posting. It is not insulting for me to point that out. His vested interest is not the same as mine and any parent (granparent) with children will vouch for that. Basically what I am saying is yeah, the children come first, and you gotta have children to know what I am talking about.

    Of your very small minority I am no doubt the smallest, merely the grandparent (NOT legal). If anyone feels oppresed and beat down it is ME. The tighter the screw is on me, and each year as my grandchildren get older, it is worse and worse, the stronger I rebell.

    I am not recomending anarchy or disobeying the law, no not that, but trying everything I can to get people to show up in force and disrupt, YES I am for that. I personally do not want to hear another word out of their bigoted mouths, shout them down, YES! Fight, fight, fight, to not let them be heard. Do not let the press report their platform of discrimination.

    Wishy washy protests do NOT bring people out to protest. Your leadership organizations from HRC down is pathetic. Look at Richard in North Carolina (might be South) not one GLBT organization in Raleigh will protest the NOM tour, they think it is counterproductive. So guess what? NOM wins, they win on the ground and they win in the press. Why? Because GLBT people will for the most part only come out for a FUN Gay parade, they won't show up to a protest when it matters. Over 10,000 people at the NYC Gay Pride Parade and how many in Albany for this protest? This cries lack of leadership to me. Motivat people to come out to a good active protest and they will come.

    IMHO it is only because you are in California where you have civil unions and 100% gay adoption and gay legal co-parenting that you have the "Let's be nice approach." Trust me if the state came in and took you kids away you would be feeling more like me. And this is effectivly what happens in states all across this country, save a few.

    I have spent my afternoon designing a very good sign
    Stonewall (as a verb)
    The Fanily Research Council
    I will be in touch with Billy to ask him to pick it up from Kinkos and at the Indiana rally I hope they all throw their shoes "Stonewall style" at the sign. And I want them to do it as Brian Brown is speaking. Every few minutes a thud as another shoe hits the sign.

    You and others say it Direct Action doesn't work, well it sure as hell worked at the Stonewall Inn. The problem is not that Direct Action doesn't win/work, the problem is that GLBT people are too lazy to turn out and support any protests. If it is a fun day at Gay Pride they turn out, if it is a protest in the streets, "Sorry i can't be there, maybe next time"

    I am really still fired up on this, my 2 year old granchildren Skyped me today, just like every Sunday, and just like every Sunday I know that legally I am not their legal grandmother. I hope to GOD we win in the Courts.

  • 230. Fluffyskunk  |  July 18, 2010 at 6:31 am

    And after that, people who might otherwise not have bothered to vote for an anti-gay initiative will certainly be mobilized to stop the limp-wristed rainbow apocalypse from overrunning their state. "If gays have rights, we'll have THIS every day?" That would be counterproductive in the extreme. Please, let's at least try and look like normal human beings, okay?

  • 231. Straight Grandmother  |  July 18, 2010 at 6:32 am

    Yeah you are right, where is David Kimble?

  • 232. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  July 18, 2010 at 6:49 am

    There is no way I am going to give up. This is too important to give up on. If Equality NC doesn’t want to do anything, I will find a group who will.

  • 233. fiona64  |  July 18, 2010 at 6:57 am

    I guess I’m more from the Gandhi/MLK/Bayard Rustin school of thought: I would prefer that my opposition look rabid and ridiculous, rather than have people think that of me and my position.


  • 234. Fluffyskunk  |  July 18, 2010 at 7:01 am


    That is not our message, though. We're not against NOM, we're for equal marriage for all. They're the ones who are against something – in particular, they're the ones who are against a particular group of people. Your sign would be construed as an attack on their group, which is exactly what they want, they want to be attacked, it will fuel their persecution complex.

    A coffin would be the worst imaginable idea, as it could (and would, make no mistake) be seen as a death threat. Don't feed these trolls.

  • 235. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  July 18, 2010 at 7:10 am

    Thanks for the Babster, Ray. Correct me if I am wrong, but that clip is from “Funny Girl,” isn’t it? (one of the great things about being a 1963 model: Growing up hearing Barbara Streisand!)

  • 236. fiona64  |  July 18, 2010 at 7:10 am

    PP&M would lay a brick if they knew that this recording were being used in this way. Mary is no longer with us, but Peter and Paul are still around.

    PP&M were equality activists in the ’60s, and I guarantee you that their management will be furious.

    Here is the contact info for PP&M’s manager (from the PP&M Website):

    Martha Hertzberg
    Walk Street Management
    22 Wavecrest Ave
    Venice, California 90291
    (310) 399-6350 (fax)
    (310) 399-5001 (voice)

    Let ‘er rip.


  • 237. Bolt  |  July 18, 2010 at 7:11 am

    LOL. Is that Peter, Paul, and Mary?

  • 238. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 7:14 am

    Fluffy, you border on paranoid and offensive.

    I do not fear the few who don't bother to vote. I celebrate with those who know love and joy!

    And as for normal human beings, what are you insinuating…gays should shut up and stay quiet? That we are not to show our rainbow?

    I don't think stuffing our gay pride away is he answer to anti-gay bigotry.

    I AM a NORMAL HUMAN BEING and I enjoy singing and dancing and celebrating life with my Rainbow Tribe!

    You can fear the few who would otherwise not vote but as for me and those I love, I will stand proud and show my TRUE COLORS!


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  • 240. Tameko Miller  |  July 18, 2010 at 7:49 am

    NICE!!! Real Nice.

    Anytime the counter protesters outnumber the protesters, you've won the battle! Eventually NOM will get the hint that their ideas are dying little by little every day!

    Keep up the good word!!!!!!!

  • 241. JonT  |  July 18, 2010 at 8:28 am

    @SG: 'JonT- Let’s give the media something to write about.

    Yes, like a bunch of screaming radical homosexuals infringing on another groups 1st amendment rights.

    Like it or not, they have a right to assemble and speak.

    To be in the media, playing right into their hands by preventing them from exercising those rights cannot possibly be a good thing for us or our message.

    As for our respective stakes in gay rights, I will not argue that with you. I think Kathleen, in her posts below on that subject pretty well summed it up for me.

    I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on the violent vs. non-violent protest strategies.


  • 242. JonT  |  July 18, 2010 at 8:32 am

    @Rhonda: They are trying really hard.

    Next, they'll say our rainbow flags were specially painted to reflect harmful UV light into the n0m supporter's eyes in order to induce retinal damage and make them sterile.


  • 243. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 9:55 am


    When you put it that way…..


  • 244. Mark M  |  July 18, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I feel the same way Ron. My husband and I are very poor right now or we would SO be on a plane heading to at least one of these rallies.
    I would give anything to be part of these historical events…bearing witness to their lies about us.

  • 245. Mark M  |  July 18, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Could not agree more Dpeck!!

  • 246. Kathleen  |  July 18, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Thanks, Fiona. I sent an email last night. It’s the weekend, so I’ll wait until tomorrow to contact the Venice office.

  • 247. BradK  |  July 18, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Thanks Dave. I hadn’t head of that particular protest “God Hates Retweets” — scream! There’s a lot of power in this approach. Since GNOME’s purpose seems really just to try and get us riled up (it’s not like they’re winning over any new converts with this circus), nothing defuses the situation quite like not taking them seriously. And if nothing else, it’s a terrific outlet for the endless creativity that this community wields.

    I think it was Harvey Fierstein who once said, “I’d rather be laughed at than ignored”

  • 248. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 11:28 am

    I am looking at the picture here of the nursing mother who was so maligned…

    How could she possible see between those guys standing there nearly close enough to touch fingers with arms outstretched?!!!

    And how embarrassing to do something natural like breastfeeding in public…something that is seriously natural and normal .. and have to look at people not looking at you while you and your baby are not exposed under a sheet!

    Clearly another example of how homos hate Brian and Louis!

    Poor boys have it soooooooo difficult in this life … finding ways to be victimized by those they persecute!


  • 249. Sheryl Carver  |  July 18, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Dave in Maine,

    You all still “done good”!

    You did an amazing job with very little time to organize & prepare.

    I was born & raised in ME. Left when I joined the Air Force. There are many good things about the state, but I just couldn’t continue to live with so many people who had so much difficulty with even considering new ideas. & I didn’t even know I was bisexual at the time, so it wasn’t about old ideas on sexual orientation.

    I was saddened but not surprised when I looked at the county results on Prop 1, that Androscoggin County was on the wrong side. There used to be a strong Catholic presence in Lewiston especially, so I guess that had an effect.

    I am very glad that there are folks like you & Equality Maine that are working to change hearts & minds. I doubt I’ll ever move back to Maine (too many bad memories), but would like to return to New England somewhere before too many years have passed.

    Thanks again for all your work!

  • 250. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 11:30 am

    If I offered to hug Brian (not that I should) but if I did offer, would that be tantamount to attempted assault?

    Just curious…

    Felyx (Who still ain’t going to hug him…’til he comes out of his closet!)

  • 251. Kathleen  |  July 18, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I noticed David Kimble’s absence, too, and sent him a message through Facebook last night. If I don’t hear from him, I think I have his email addy. But I don’t know how to contact Carvel.

    I get concerned about members of the community we’ve built here when we don’t hear from them for a while, especially those who don’t have much of a support system around them.

  • 252. Sheryl Carver  |  July 18, 2010 at 11:52 am

    That video is great, Felyx!

    That’s the sort of thing that gets attention & doesn’t turn off the folks in the middle, the undecided or at least having changeable opinions.

    We are not likely to change the hardcore bigots, but those really aren’t the ones keeping us from having full equality. It’s those who listen to &/or pander to them. If we can change those folks’ minds, we SHALL overcome!

    I’m an dog trainer/behaviorist. Formerly an engineer (got burned out in corporate-ville). I have seen first hand that violence begets violence. There is ALWAYS fallout. Sometimes one has no choice – if a person is being physically attacked, fighting back with all you’ve got is your only option if you want to live.

    However, much of the time we have a range of choices. Actions that make people want to JOIN you, not AVOID you, are what we need. & perhaps some things that make the NOMs look a little silly. Those of us who grew up in the 60’s can probably still remember the photo of the young woman who put a flower in the rifle barrel of the National Guardsman during a peaceful protest of the Vietnam War.

    We are all human animals. Emphasis on the animal part right now. It is all too easy for even good-hearted, well-intentioned people to get caught up in actions that lead to really, really bad outcomes.

    As I think Gandhi once said, “be the change you want to see in the world.”

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  • 254. fiona64  |  July 18, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    My cousin Jane’s signs at this event read “Mikey hates everything” and “I also have a sign.”

  • 255. John  |  July 18, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Hi all, I am the guy on the left-hand side of the first photo. The reason we picked this quiet but visual method of protest was that we wanted to stay and not be arrested. The first thing NOM did was call the State Troopers in to chase us away. Standing where I did, I was witness to the exchange between our organizer and the cops. After some back and forth, the cops watched us for about 10 minutes and then told us we could stay.

  • 256. Sheryl Carver  |  July 18, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    It’s a sign of progress when the State Troopers are on OUR side. The small successes can not only lead to bigger ones, but keep up our spirits as we continue to full civl rights.

  • 257. Kathleen  |  July 18, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    And I wanted to add…. I don’t even know that Mark doesn’t have children. Maybe he does.

  • 258. Bob  |  July 18, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    @ Fiona, correction accepted, and appreciated, a straight person who is an ally could be waving the flag in solidrity,

  • 259. Kathleen  |  July 18, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Without being snotty, I would simply observe that you seem incapable of seeing beyond your own limited world view.

    I’m through arguing this with you. We have a different opinion about how best to behave in a particular situation. I’m willing to leave it at that. You, apparently, feel a need to justify your opinion by claiming it has greater validity based on your alleged greater vested interest in the matter and deeper feelings–something that, according to you, others here can’t feel. I don’t know if Mark is insulted by your assumptions, but I’m insulted on his behalf.

  • 260. Ғĕłỹҳ  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    And one more thing….

    We SHOULD have ‘THIS’ everyday!

    Life is a celebration! So be happy and gay! – F

  • 261. russ b  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    this is really GREAT idea, hat’s off. go gay /straight alliances!

  • 262. Straight Grandmother  |  July 18, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Yes I agree, if we could get 10’s of thousands of people to peacefully protest that would be ideal. My what a statement that would make. So far I am not seeing that I am seeing, what was it, 85 people in Maine. Maybe a couple hundred in Albany and I am not even sure if that is the right count. If you Google Images for Womans Suffrage you are going to find pictures of some pretty big parades, not at all standing on the sidelines. Looks to me like they came out in mass. Take a look at the pictures and see what you think.

    Sometimes a counter protest is more for rallying the troops more than anything, to get people fired up for the cause. To get people to join in.

  • 263. Straight Grandmother  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Kathleen- I do see the world beyond my view, I just don’t like it nor agree with it, and I am really insulted for the way you stated that. Sorry if you don’t see it but my needs are more immediate than Marks needs, he being with his partner already for 27 years and no minor children involved. Children change the equation. Adults can answer and fend for themselves, children can’t.

    I am in the same boat wanting and fighting for immediate reults and more eager to take direct action to get them NOW as is the folks who are in love with foreign nationals who can’t bring their loved ones over. Surely you can see that some situations are more “immediate” than others. Now we can discuss tactics all day but don’t ever suggest that I don’t see and recognize others as being differently situated. At least Mark and his spouce are living togther. But that is adult to adult, they can enter into private legally binding agreements as my daughter has with her spouce. This is not the same thing as needing to protect children. It does not matter what any agreement says that they sign, if my daughter in law dies it will be a judge who decides who gets the children. And if I die my grandchildren cannot inherit tax free.

    I think it is you who has a narrow view that all GLBT people are equally situated and not one group has more immediate needs than another group, when clearly this is not the case. I am pretty sure the American GLBT folks who love a foreign national would like to get bumped up in the pecking order just like I do. LGBT people whose partner/spouce who has severe health problems and can’t get their partner on their insurance they also probably would like to be bumped up a notch.

    So some needs ARE more pressing than others and I can see why some of us are more willing to take Direct Action “Let’s get this changed now, rather than later” than others who don’t have these types of immediate pressing needs. We are all not situated the same and you should not find this insulting.

  • 264. Fluffyskunk  |  July 18, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    It’s not my rainbow. I happen to hate oversaturated colors, especially when put next to each other. I do not sing. I do not dance. I do not “celebrate life with my rainbow tribe”, whatever that means. These things constitute a subculture, one that a person has to actively seek to be a part of – they are not inherent to a same-sex orientation, and as such, not displaying such traits is not “shutting up and staying quiet”. I’m not – I am very much “out” of the “closet”, and very vocal about my refusal to accept second-class citizenship status. To make it perfectly clear, I am one half of a same-sex married couple, and this is about my rights as much as yours.

    I am a boring person, and I intend to exercize my right to be boring until the day I die. This is how I show my “gay pride”, if you want to call it that, by being exactly who I am. My true colors are black, white and boring, and I will stand proud and show them.

  • 265. Mark M  |  July 18, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Look you sanctimonious loud mouth piece of crap! you honestly think this means MORE to you than ME???
    My partner and I are ‘okay’ the way we are? 27 yrs of waiting to marry is OKAY you say!! FUCK YOU!!!
    Fir most of our son’s life I was the only legal parent…we worried EVERY day over what might happen if something happened to me…what would Robert be able to do.
    Than we were finally able to have Robert adopt him.
    The same was true in reverse with our daughter Lauren..she was Roberts legal daughter and not mine till she was nearly 14.

    You are absolutely NO better than the NOM people…you feel YOUR rights and YOUR situation is more important, more ‘right’ than anyone else.
    You make me sick!

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