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BREAKING: Cops on horses, Brian Brown missing at NOM event in Ohio

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(Arisha just sent this report in to us from the National Organization for Marriage tour event that just got underway in Columbus, Ohio. We’ll be updating this post throughout the day with new information, so keep coming back and refreshing to see the latest news. Meanwhile, we are working on posting something later as well about developments around the Maryland incident in which Jethro Rothe-Kushel, Courage’s videographer, was threatened with arrest by a police officer, after being asked by NOM to remove Jethro from a public space. — Eden James).

By Arisha Michelle Hatch

Five minutes after NOM’s rally was supposed to start in Columbus, Ohio and Brian Brown has once again failed to assemble a crowd.

I count about 23 NOM supporters (I’m being generous) and — on the equality side — approximately 71 grassroots marriage equality supporters assembled in bright colors, waving signs saying, chanting and blowing whistles just outside the blockade that NOM has set out.

Equality activists are now chanting “2, 4, 6, 8, time for you to leave the state.”

No sight of Brian Brown yet.

Despite NOM’s dwindling attendance numbers, security is much stronger at this venue than it has been at any other tour stop. Approximately 10 police officers on horses are surrounding the venue and there are approximately 5 other uniformed police officers surrounding the space. And there are blockades.

Equality Ohio is hosting a press conference at Trinity Church currently with the rally.

Despite the blockades, we are filming all the footage we can.

Mally Gallagher speaking now.

Stay tuned for more updates.

UPDATE 12:22 PM EDT – We’re working to confirm, but a source says that Brian Brown has flown to California and is no longer on tour. We’re not sure yet if this is a permanent or pre-planned.

Where are you, Brian?

UPDATE 12:33 PM EDT – A gay couple pushing a stroller just walked from the beyond the blockade directly into NOM’s rally to stand. At least two couples followed them. The crowd from beyond the blockade yelled their support. They’re now being approached by Ohio police.

UPDATE BY EDEN: This just in via another source: “Breaking news from Thomas Equality Morgan at the NOM Columbus OH rally: 1 arrest so far. She entered THEIR territory”

UPDATE BY EDEN: Pictures coming in from our team.

Cops on horseback, apparently protecting NOM’s tour bus from equality activists. Intimidation much?


Yes, that is the NOM podium in the background (on the steps):


Meanwhile, here’s the turnout on the equality side, behind the blockades:



One equality activist was arrested in an otherwise incident-free rally in Columbus, that –- at its peak –- was attended by more than 120 equality organizers and less than 30 NOM supporters.

The grassroots equality counter-rally, organized by Ohio activists Thomas Morgan and Rev. Michael Hunt, was well-attended, as word was spread through social media. With the exception of the incident above, protesters stayed behind the blockades set up by the Ohio police.

“We tried to tell everyone not to engage,” Morgan said. “This was not our day to get in the face of the anti-gay establishment. We just wanted a presence because they’re in our town.”

“When I posted the event on Facebook, I wasn’t sure if we’d be the only two people here,” continued Hunt. “This [counter-rally] was a rousing success and it totally exceeded our expectations.”

Brian Brown, on the other hand, is apparently taking a break from the tour.

Stay tuned for video footage later, including interviews with the two loving couples who walked beyond the blockades and an anti-equality supporter and his 5 homeschooled sons confronting a group of equality activists.

UPDATE BY EDEN: NOM has posted pictures from their Flickr page:

Here is NOM’s picture of the marriage equality counter-rally, behind the blockades:


You can also check out the Flickr stream (hosted by Courage Campaign Equality).

UPDATE BY EDEN: NOM’s take on what happened:

Protestors in Columbus

As anticipated, opposition protesters showed up this morning. Afraid even of allowing NOM’s message to be heard, they tried to shout and whistle over the speakers. The civil discourse of our speakers was met with shouted obscenities, lewd gestures, and yells of ‘liar’.

One woman, before she was escorted out of the rally by police, went through the crowd offering her hand to NOM supporters before ripping it away and cursing in their faces.

Unlike in Providence, police here are keeping order, even having mounted police onsite in the background

UPDATE BY EDEN: In the comments, BradK just pwned NOM with this photoshopped blockade pic: ROAD "TO EQUALITY" CLOSED (photoshopped)

The original photo, taken by Courage’s Arisha Hatch:


UPDATE BY EDEN: Andy Kelley, Courage’s New Media Organizer just tweeted the following:

RT @EqualityOnTrial Where in the world is Brian Brown? Cops on horses but Brian Brown missing at #NOMTour event in Ohio

So, where is Brian? Tweet it and spread the word. Given the ingenuity of the Tracker community, I wouldn’t be surprised if the information flowed out of your crowd-sourcing in the comments.

UPDATE BY EDEN: Arisha Michelle Hatch, our lead, met Maggie Gallagher, a founder of NOM, today. We’ve got video of their first encounter.

Why was Maggie in Columbus today? To take over for Brian Brown, at least from what she said.

Money quote: “I’m not Brian’s keeper.”

What do you think? Was this just a regularly scheduled change in the speaker schedule on the NOM tour? Or is Brian Brown’s failure to execute on this tour — from the #NOMturnoutFAIL to the threatened arrest of our videographer — becoming a political problem that only Maggie can solve, by mere virtue of changing the face in front of our camera?

Meanwhile, any of you Trackers have photoshopping skills? Andy Kelley, our New Media Organizer, just had a few visual “Where is Brian Brown” brainstorms:

1) “Lost Cat” poster
2) “MISSING” milk carton
3) “Where in the World is Brian Brown?”

Have some fun (within reason, of course) in the comments and we’ll post our favorite image to our Testimony: Equality on Trial facebook page!

UPDATE BY EDEN: This will be the last update in this thread. I just posted a new thread with videos from today, including the Maggie Gallagher update above.


  • 1. Audrey GetEQUAL Smit  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Thomas Equality Morgan just posted to FB that 1 pro-LGBTQ woman was arrested for entering the barricaded plaza! I don't understand how that is legal! Don't we have a right to be in a public space??

  • 2. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Wow..this is getting really interesting.

    THANK YOU for being there, Arisha!


  • 3. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:14 am


  • 4. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:16 am

    Adding emails to my newly created GMail account.

  • 5. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:16 am

    Subscribing. Hi, Mary Nelly!

  • 6. Sagesse  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:17 am

    Curiouser and curiouser… and subscribing.

    How do you exclude people from a public rally?

  • 7. Jeremy  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:20 am

    Just filling my inbox.

    And while I dislike what brian and louis say and stand for, I was taught to be civil, which includes (and quite possibly ends at) "hello."

    It's interesting to see how these events are becoming less and less "rallies" and more and more "conventions" (theirs I mean, not our counter-protests).

    <3 jeremy

  • 8. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:21 am

    You do it illegally, with malice of forethought.

    At least that's what I'm gathering.

  • 9. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:21 am

    In the South, it's called being cordial.

  • 10. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:22 am

    "No sight of Brian Brown yet."

    Now I know why Maggie is there! Although she doesn't seem very happy about it.

  • 11. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:22 am

    I think "conventions" is really stretching it. They look more like "gatherings" to me.

  • 12. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:22 am


  • 13. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:25 am

    Maggie in; Brian out. Hostile takeover, perhaps?

  • 14. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:25 am

    Great picture of NOMs podium Arisha. Looks by the space they thought they were going to have a crowd.

    I wonder how long before they shut this tour down by blaming the heat?

  • 15. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:26 am

    but of course I used my old email addy…rescribing

  • 16. Jeremy  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:26 am

    @ AlanE: isn't it also possible in the South to say nearly any terrible thing about a person so long as it is pre/proceeded by "bless his/her soul?" Like "that boy, bless his soul, is so stupid, he couldn't pour water from a boot if the instructions were written on the heel."



  • 17. Richard W. Fitch  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:27 am

    It's simply too dangerous to open a public rally in a public space to the general public.

  • 18. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:29 am

    Maybe they've had enough of B.S. Brown.

    Maine Christian Civic League sent their infamous, mouthy, lunatic Michael Heath to Africa during the marriage vote campaign. It was a shame because he would have helped us. Maybe this is something similar…?


  • 19. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:30 am

    How do they decide who can go inside the blockade and who has to stay outside? Do the NOM attendees have to show their invitations or something? If I were a NOM-er, how would I know it's okay for me to go in but not okay for a neutral party? I'd like someone official to explain the procedure. Sounds kinda questionable to me.

  • 20. Ronnie  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:31 am

    WOW….This is going to bad PR for them…NOM FAILS AGAIN…& now they are physically denying the public, entry into a public event unless you conform to the NOMrades (get it?…because they're Fascists)


  • 21. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:32 am


    If the police watched them walk from the area they allowed for the protesters into NOMs space…

    It does sound questionable.

  • 22. Audrey GetEQUAL Smit  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:34 am

    I do NOT understand how they can legally set up barricades to a public rally in a public space, and how they could arrest someone for crossing over???

  • 23. Jeremy  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:34 am

    @Nightshayde: What I meant by that was it's gone from gatehering openly in a public space, to "hiding" behind baracades and police officers, media blackouts, etc. Not that I think the people who've crossed the barricade are NO(s)M supporters, unless they are waving flags, chanting, blowing whistles, or known CC/LGBT "activists", they should be entitled to enter the grounds for the rally. Its like this is becoming "invitation only."


  • 24. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:34 am

    I'm still hoping that CC's videographers will get some guidance from ACLU about just what is allowed in these situations. I'm not talking about the counter-demonstration, just the reporting. And I'm not advocating that they push the situation to the point of getting arrested. But sometimes well-meaning police who are "just doing their job" are simply uninformed. And sometimes it just takes explaining to them, in a non-confrontational way, that you are abiding by the law, to get them to back off. This is often followed by them consulting with superiors who, hopefully, have a better grasp of what's allowed.

  • 25. Michelle Evans  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:38 am

    Someone should be contacting the local Police Department to get clarification on why things are happening as they are. Just like before, there is no legal reason for anyone to be kept out of a public place at a supposedly public rally.

    I can see the scenario where Brian (or Maggie) called ahead and told the PD that they were expecting a violent crowd, so they HAD to have police protection. However, once it became clear that no one was attacking the NOM people, then any blockades should have vanished. Having a police presence just in case is one thing, but this is getting ridiculous.

    And anyone, no matter where they are walking from, should not be threatened just for coming into that public gathering.

  • 26. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:38 am

    are they taunting us, baracades and horses, a little bit overkill, but some great action and excitement for their video's , they'lll sping that real nice, how they had to use force to keep them safe while getting their message out.

    seeing that baracade on a public sidewalk makes you just want to bust through, wonder what the reason is for the baracade, is there a brick loose at that spot, are they doing maintenance?

    Fiona you did say sidewalks were public spaces right?

  • 27. Ed C  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:38 am

    under writing

  • 28. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:38 am

    Hi, Brian and Louis!

  • 29. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:39 am

    Coffee klatch. :-)

  • 30. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:39 am

    Oh, ok — that makes much more sense. I was thinking "convention" as in a whole lot of people with a common interest meeting (like ComiCon currently going on in San Diego).

    Wouldn't it make more sense to meet in itty-bitty repressive churches if you want to keep out the non-believers, the media, and the heat?

  • 31. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:40 am

    Yep. Ditto "bless his/her heart" or "bless your heart."

    Also "How nice" can mean "F.U." if you're part of the Junior League and say it just the right way.


  • 32. Tina  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:41 am

    Seriously, what are the barricades for? Are they scared our gayness is going to rub off on them? I don't understand how they can block off the street from counter protesters but allow the protesters through!

  • 33. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Yes. The sidewalk belongs to everyone.

    That is why, for example, your trash is your personal property — until you put it on the curb for removal. Then it's all up for grabs. No search warrant needed if the police want to go through it, for example, because you have put said trash on public property.


  • 34. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Probably too late to show up disguised as a NOMer to get inside the barricade?

    What is the point of their having a rally and making it difficult or confusing to get close enough to be a part of it? Are there signs so people know where to go; ie, NOMers – line up to the left; counter-protesters line up the right? The incompetence and paranoia are amazing.

    They must have been really freaked out by that bottle of beans up in Providence.

  • 35. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:43 am

    I would have just gone over and started talking to the horses, but that's the equestrian in me.

    I figure the horse's ass is behind the NOM podium, and I'm far more interested in the end of the horse with the velvety nose and fuzzy ears.


  • 36. Bolt  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:43 am

    Wow! Amazing news. It's difficult to believe that an equality supporter was arrested for being with non equality supporters. My jaw is on the floor with many questions.

    It sounds like the non equality supporters live in a vacuum, and have closed their minds off to questioning their motives. This reveals absolutist attitude.

    We must continue to sue for equality under the law, in federal court!

  • 37. Jeremy  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:43 am

    /agree. If you wanna make it members/supporters only, hold it in a church.

    <3 jeremy

  • 38. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:43 am

    I think "bless his/her heart" works the same way.

    "Brian Brown, bless his little heart, didn't realize that endorsing discrimination while standing next to a monument to equal treatment under the law would make him look silly."

  • 39. toth  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:43 am

    I'm taking bets on how soon it will be that Brown tries to spin the extremely low turnouts as NOM supporters being intimidated by those big, scary gays into staying home. Let's hear it for those brave defenders of marriage who braved the legions of gay people standing to hear Brown sputter on about how they're so victimized!

  • 40. JackBeck  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:44 am

    Maybe the pressure to deliver has really gotten to Brian. That cackle of a laugh from the video you shot in Trenton was a dead give away to me that the man's about to lose whatever's left of his mental health.

  • 41. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:44 am

    Maybe a couple just has to flash non-matching reproductive organs as a password.

  • 42. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:45 am

    I totally would have done that, too. Those horses are so beautiful!

  • 43. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:45 am

    LOL @ Nightshayde

  • 44. Rebecca  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:47 am

    I kind of enjoy the idea of people who were going to support NOM seeing all those barricades and deciding not to go:

    "But Don, why do they have all those barricades up? Are they expecting the gays to get violent?"

    "Well, Renata, darned if I know, but we better not stay and find out. Let's go be bigoted elsewhere."


  • 45. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:49 am

    And here is the crowd for NOM

  • 46. Tina  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:49 am

    Someone add a "To Homosexuals" sign at the bottom of that "road closed" sign :)

  • 47. BradK  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:53 am

    …blaming the heat…

    The heat from the weather, or the heat from us?


  • 48. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:55 am

    It's getting harder for them to find a camera angle that looks like a big crowd. Maybe that's what the police on horseback are for — so they can take a picture of them and claim that there are legions of people hiding behind the horse's ass (as opposed to the other obvious conclusion wrt equine derriere)

  • 49. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:56 am

    That is just sad. Someone should at least direct them to stand closer together for a group photo!

  • 50. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:59 am

    great idea Tina, then get a shot of the sign road closed to homosexuals,

    those horses seem to be protecting the NOM bus, just to make sure there's no more damage like the flat tire. that makes sense now, wonder if you have to pay for that kind of protection.

  • 51. anonygrl  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:59 am

    NOM's site also says they had 50 people at their Annapolis stop. Sadly there is no comment page where someone could step in politely and refute that number with photographic evidence.

    Does anybody know how many people FROM NOM are actually on the tour? How many does that bus hold? Are there any not travelling WITH the bus but showing up at all the stops? Because it sounds like they are down to less than a handful of locals at each venue, while we seem to be generating fairly steady numbers in the 75+ range.

  • 52. Ann S.  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:00 am

    Good morning, Maggie. So nice to see your smiling face.

    Good morning, Louis, and you, too, Brian, wherever you are.

  • 53. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:00 am



  • 54. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:03 am

    LOVE IT!!!

  • 55. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:04 am

    I just got a delightful mental picture.

    Shot 1: Cops on horseback, ready to fight off the madding hordes of rabid, violent gays.

    Shot 2: People wearing bright colors, sitting in rainbow-colored lawn chairs, sipping lemonade.

    Shot 3: A bright-color-clad equality supporter carrying a tray of cookies and cups of lemonade, offering refreshments to the police.

    Shot 4: A bright-color-clad equality supporter feeding the horses carrots and sugar cubes (with permission from the equestrian officers, of course).

  • 56. homer  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:04 am

    No how will NOM spin this…. terrorist gays forced us to have mounted police protection! Police arrest violent homosexual agenda activist who stormed across our protective barricade!!! Militant lesbians scared teh childrens!!!!

    I wonder if Maggie is wearing that red jacket she always wears.

  • 57. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:05 am

    Now that you mention it, both. I would hope they would blame us, it would mean total defeat to them. No one is willing to stand up for NOM hate.

  • 58. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:07 am

    Reminds me of some of the scenes in "The Help."

    Dave in Maine

  • 59. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:07 am

    No, maggie is wearing black to mourn no supporters.

  • 60. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:08 am

    Wait a minute! They arrested someone for going into what is supposedly a public rally? Has Ohio become a police state since I left WV to come to NC? This is just absolutely ridiculous!
    And to echo Arisha–Yoo Hoo, Brian! Where are you? Peek-a-Boo!

  • 61. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:08 am

    A few days ago I was speculating that Louis would be the scapegoat / sacrificial lamb for this PR/finance disaster of a tour (since it seems to have been his idea originally). Now I am wondering if it won't be Brian, since he was the one who decided to take up with the tour idea.

  • 62. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:10 am

    Great point, fiona64. And some of that trash, like a cigarette butt, facial tissue, and soda can, will have your DNA. (Which they can match with DNA collected from you at a prior protest where you've been arrested!).


  • 63. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:10 am

    NOM: Early Attendees in Columbus

    all the same people who watched the speakers.

    Early attendees (come on NOM, call it what is is, your only attendees.)

  • 64. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:10 am

    Ice cream socials without the ice cream.

  • 65. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:10 am

    I've heard black is slimming.

    It doesn't appear to be working.

    (sorry – couldn't resist)

  • 66. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:12 am

    Actually, it is, but you can begin or end the statement with "Bless His/her heart." As in, "Blah, blah, blah….., poor so-and-so meant well, bless her heart."

  • 67. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:14 am

    No one's coming because—-they ain't got no pancake mix.

  • 68. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:15 am

    NEWSFLASH: Here is their scapegoat and possible why Brian is gone!

    National organization for marriage Calls on Leaders of Marriage Equality Rhode Island AND Queer Action to Repudiate Bullying Tactics

    After pro-gay marriage advocates stormed the podium at their recent Providence, Rhode Island rally, the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) is calling on leaders of the gay marriage movement in Rhode Island to repudiate tactics of harassment at public rallies.

    NOM is particularly concerned about incivility and threats directed at children and parents of children who attended

  • 69. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:15 am

    That photo of the barrier…that's not even a road! Who even put those there? DID the police put them there or could have have been placed by someone else?

    The photos show a pathetic version of a rally. From the New Oxford American Dictionary: Rally-assemble in a mass meeting "up to 50,000 people rallied in the city."

    Dave in Maine

  • 70. BradK  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:16 am

    I wish we could post images directly. *Sigh*

  • 71. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:17 am

    That is because there is too much of Maggie for anything to be slimming. Not even Scarlett O'Hara's corset would slim Maggie down.

  • 72. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:19 am

    The poor babies!

    I'm shocked. SHOCKED that the mainstream media isn't picking up on those nasty hateful violent gays & how they're terrorizing the poor defenseless full-of-love NOM supporters.

    The MSM is part of the gay agenda!!! What other explanation can there be?!!! Oh noes!!!!

    (Um … Brian et al — your delusions aren't actually "news." We've known about them for some time now)

  • 73. BradK  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:20 am

    You beat me to that comment, nightshade!

    (wasn't her previous uniform usually that hideous fuchsia mu-mu?)

  • 74. jc  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:22 am

    confab? :)

  • 75. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:22 am

    Yeah Marriage Equality Supporters in Columbus!!!

  • 76. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:23 am

    I count 12 people.

    Failure is, apparently, an option.


  • 77. BradK  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:23 am

    So what's a few zeros between friends? OK, 3 zeroes…between zeroes.

  • 78. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:24 am

    What's happening at the press conference with Equality Ohio over at Trinity Church? Any info from that event?

  • 79. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:24 am

    I hadn't considered that, Bob. They may well have requested police presence near the bus, and mounted units are pretty common for protests/rallies because the horses can be used effectively for crowd control.


  • 80. BradK  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:25 am

    More like an inevitability.

  • 81. Colin  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:25 am

    worm racing tournament

  • 82. Tina  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:28 am

    Lmao If that was true then why do they have their kids at the protest? I thought they put family first…I guess family is only important when it supports their hate filled agenda.

  • 83. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:28 am

    From NOM

    Protestors in Columbus
    As anticipated, opposition protesters showed up this morning. Afraid even of allowing NOM’s message to be heard, they tried to shout and whistle over the speakers. The civil discourse of our speakers was met with shouted obscenities, lewd gestures, and yells of ‘liar’.

  • 84. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:29 am

    good point Dave it's not a road.

    also good ploy on their part to ask us to repudiate tactics of harassment at public rallies.

  • 85. Tina  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:33 am

    Who are they shouting over? There's no one there!

  • 86. Sagesse  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:33 am

    The difference between Columbus and Annapolis is that in Annapolis there was no counter-protest.

    In Columbus there is, and, as in other cities where there was a counter-protest, the police set (or the police and the marriage equality leaders agree on) rules for keeping the protesters at a distance so they do not interfere with the NOM rally, which has a permit to be there.

    But ten mounted police and barricades… c'mon.

  • 87. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:35 am

    Apparently their ONLY option. they just haven't bitten the bullet and accepted the inevitable yet. Wonder how long it will take before their minds actually process the truth and cause them to admit utter defeat?

  • 88. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:35 am

    From the NOM website posted earlier:

    "One woman, before she was escorted out of the rally by police, went through the crowd offering her hand to NOM supporters before ripping it away and cursing in their faces."

    I would like to find out what really happened. Fro past experiences with stuff from NOM, I can guarantee that this is skewed.

  • 89. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:37 am

    Some nice photos:;…

    I especially like "What if you threw a gay-hating protest and no-one showed up?"


  • 90. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:43 am

    Those photos are GREAT! Thanks for sharing…

    Finally something to smile about today!

  • 91. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:43 am

    OT, but re: the Westboro Baptist Church at Comic-Con:

    "Unbeknownst to the dastardly fanatics of the Westboro Baptist Church, the good folks of San Diego's Comic-Con were prepared for their arrival with their own special brand of superhuman counter protesting chanting "WHAT DO WE WANT" "GAY SEX" "WHEN DO WE WANT IT" "NOW!" while brandishing ironic (and some sincere) signs. Simply stated: The eclectic assembly of nerdom's finest stood and delivered."

    as Ronnie might add, ROTFLMGAYAO !!

  • 92. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:43 am

    I see NOM still has the comments disabled on their 'flichr' site. They must be afraid of someone pointing out the truth as seen in their very own pictures. The truth that this 'Bus Tour of Hate' is a complete FAIL for them.

  • 93. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:44 am

    And, they sure don't look like that mad crowd NOM has been touting on their website.

  • 94. jules  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:44 am

    she was simply introducing herself to NOM-supporters as a homosexual. though some of the bigots snapped their hands away, mid-shake, for fear of "catching the gay." silly NOM website, with its lies & hyperbole…

  • 95. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:44 am

    ten mounted police and baracades, make a statement!!!! and pictures, it brings publicity,

  • 96. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:48 am

    Maybe they were hoping to count the police and horsies among their crowd numbers. You know, creative accounting. They're going to need it when this is all added up at the end.

  • 97. RJ  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:49 am

    I think they had some ice cream at their last stop. Maybe the CC reporter stole the last of Brian's Rocky Road.

    Props to the person who gets that reference and can accurately interpret it.

  • 98. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:50 am

    Sorry; adding citation:

  • 99. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:51 am

    I would say that I just simply cannot believe what they are saying and doing, but I grew up in West Virginia, and have been in Toronto, Ontario, Canada; San Diego, California; and Texas, as well as having traveled to the Florida panhandle, so I have seen quite a lot in my 47 years. However, these folks are taking too many lessons from the Fred Phelps cult, and they are finding out that it is backfiring on them.

  • 100. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:51 am

    The way this entire tour is going, the final count for supporters on the entire tour will be well under 1,000 people.

    Even as generous as I think each person can be from those 1,000 people, they will never make up for the cost of this tour.

    FAIL is the only work Brian and company will see.

  • 101. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:53 am

    … if you could keep your eyes lowered, and just count pairs of feet/hooves, it would help us out a lot.

    I showed the pictures to one of my pro-equality co-workers. She laughed A LOT.

    Has anyone sent pictures of the meager unbelievable NOM rally turnout to Rachel Maddow?

  • 102. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:01 am

    it might look like a dismal failure to us,,, them on the ground and the whole tour thing, but they're not counting solely on new recruits from this rallly tour.

    They have good shots which they willl turn inot a video presentation, to show to hudge church congregations , while the preacher takes full advanttage of fear and guilt, to fill the donation box. ca ching ca ching, it's an expensive ride, but they will cash in

  • 103. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:05 am

    Brown didn't leave voluntarily… after a week in the sun, that brown suit walked away on its own.

  • 104. Andrew_WA  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:08 am

    You know – just in reading the story and the comments – I am hit by one particular thought:

    God bless the Courage Campaign!

    I really mean it. I want you to know that we (the royal "we") do not take you for granted at all. Please remember that.

    Sitting in our chairs at home or work and reading your postings, pics, and videos – it is such a blessing to know that you are out there representing our community and fighting for the dignity of all LGBT people in this great country of ours.

    I have already donated, but as money allows I will donate again. Your work touches so many people you have may or may not realize the impact you are having on our lives.

    I have found that sometimes in life, it is good to stop and be thankful for the people and things that touch your life. This is just one of those moments and I am VERY thankful for the Courage Campaign!

    Make God keep you safe on this project and many more!


  • 105. Tina  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:11 am

    Awesome! Thanks Brad :) Hope you don't mind that I'm posting it on facebook!

  • 106. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:13 am

    I think this shows that, in general, the bigoted anti-civil rights crowd is made up of a lot of cowards. They're willing to cast a secret vote and send in money in support (as long as their name isn't made public), but they're not willing to be public about their views. They probably won't even admit their real views to anyone except those who are squarely in their fear-laden corner.

  • 107. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:13 am has launched a database of people who donated for and against California's marriage-equality amendment.

  • 108. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:17 am

    It was me that was arrested. Yes I was just offering my hand to shake, but some snatched it away so as not to catch the gay. An old man grabbed me and tried to wrestle with me, but the cops escorted me out and arrested me. I NEED PICS AND VIDEO FROM THE RALLY. My charges read that I was "grabbing the arms" of the protesters, not shaking hands

  • 109. Sagesse  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:19 am

    Question for the Tour Trackers (as if you don't have enough to do :) ): Is friend Louis AWOL as well?

  • 110. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:19 am

    Holy merde, look at CT?! Almost 1.5 million??? I know that Knights of Columbus have a huge building in New Haven, but man! Who else did they canvass here?

  • 111. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:19 am

    I actually entered the NOM side of the protest accidentally- there were no barricades on the side I wandered in from. I just found myself in the middle of their side and decided to have some fun with them, shaking hands and introducing myself as a homosexual. I was very civil and friendly until some old guy grabbed me, unfortunately I cursed at him to GTFO me and I think they recorded it.

  • 112. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:21 am

    You've got the backs of many many supporters Holly. Also, let us know about any financial charges, and we might be able to work something out for you.

  • 113. BradK  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:22 am

    Straight out of the KKK playbook.

  • 114. Eden James  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:22 am

    Posting it right now!

    Thanks BradK!

    Eden w/ Courage

  • 115. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:22 am

    Is the guy who grabbed you and started wrestling you in one of these pictures?

    Just wondering if it's one of the people from NOMs crew or one of the people following them through the tour.

  • 116. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:23 am

    This was supposed to reply to holly hahn's post.

  • 117. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:23 am

    West Virginia made me proud!

    $398 FOR Prop 8
    $4005 AGAINST Prop 8

  • 118. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:24 am

    I think it is very simple. The H8tros want to hate anonmously. They do not want to accept being seen in public and identified as a h8ter, well except for the home school bunch, there are always those.

  • 119. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:25 am

    Holly, hopefully someone willl come forward with photo's fo the truth,

    This is why it would be good if you had someone follow you around with a camera, let them know what you were doing first, maybe it was just a spontaneous thing on your part

    Can you tell us what the arrest process was like, were you taken to jail or anything like that and what happens next regarding that arrest?

  • 120. Tina  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:27 am

    So you are ok? Were you arrested and what charges? If he grabbed you first they aren't going to show it anyway…

  • 121. Andrew_WA  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:28 am


    Sadly – it sounds to me that this is their intent for the entire project. They want to show how mean and evil LGBT people are.

    Not only is it about spreading the hate, it is about providing them video clips and photos to fuel more hate for fundraising.

    Sadly what this means is that even trying to be civil like shaking hands or giving hugs, or anything remotely innocent – they will use this to make headlines and promote their dismal project.

    When people or agencies start doing this – it means they are desperate. Since they are not attracting the crowds they want and people are not congregating en masse to listen to their hate message, the next best thing is to get anything they can to smear us in any way.

    I hope you get all of the film you need to press charges against that man! We need to let our story shine through even though they are trying to do these things to us!

  • 122. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:28 am

    Thank you for letting us know, Holly. Keep track of this site. I am sure pictures will be posted. Also, when the folks at CC see this comment, they will probably contact you to arrange for you to obtain pictures or even video if that is also available.

  • 123. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:31 am

    LET'S GO, MOUNTAINEERS!!!♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
    Remember, Alan, this is the state that told Fred Phelps that there is no room for hate in the state.

  • 124. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:32 am

    Holly, please be aware that this is a public blog – anyone can read it. We know for a fact that people from the NOM 'tour' read it regularly. I'm just saying… be judicious in what you say here.

    Hopefully, some of Courage Campaign's video will help. Arisha, did you catch any of this on video?

    I'm guessing you've been in touch with organizers at EO to put out a call for any photos, video from people who were there today?

  • 125. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:34 am

    I am so proud of you!!! I hope you beat the rap. One day you will tell your children, I was arrested in 2010 fighting bigotry towards GLBT's, the same year we first won in Federal Court, full marriage rights. This will be a summer you will remember.

  • 126. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:35 am

    Yes! the guy in the green shirt!

  • 127. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:35 am

    Not only is there a huge office building for the KofC in New Haven, Pam, New Haven is the Supreme headquarters, i.e.: the international hq for the KofC. They really would not have needed to canvass anyone else. All it would have taken is for Carl Anderson ( to write a check, and it would have been counted as coming from the entire state. And believe me, with the yearly dues to be a Knight, along with the initiation fees from new Knights, not to mention the Columbian Squires (boys ages 8-17 who are preparing to follow their fathers or other mentors into the KofC) it would not even be missed. In fact, I will see if I can find their article about it in the Columbia Magazine that goes out to all Knights. If I do, I will scan it into my computer and email it to anyone who wants it.
    I will let you know if I find it.

  • 128. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:36 am

    And dear NOM if you are reading this. MY home address is easy to find. Holly Hahn in my real name and I live in Grandview Heights OH. I'm on facebook and twitter. Come and get some. Camp out on my front lawn if you want.

    You don't scare me.

  • 129. Rick  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:37 am

    I thought that was strange too, but I think visually it worked to our favor in pics & video. Without protestors able to get within hundreds of feet of the podium, visually it accurately shows how very small their group of supporters was for this event contrasted with all the supporters behind the barricade. In fact I would say the group in front of the podium were other NO-M organizers from their bus, not Ohioans.

  • 130. Tina  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:37 am

    ^5 Holly

  • 131. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:37 am

    Okay P8TT family! Start ordering your challah! $10 a loaf (this includes shipping), and for those on FB, PM me there with shipping details. Let's help Holly out.

  • 132. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:42 am

    I am looking at the picture again and I just wonder why NOM would post that on their own photostream. It really is very unflattering and she appears defeated…

    Dave in Maine

  • 133. Felyx  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:45 am

    Speaking of trash out in public property…!!!

  • 134. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:48 am

    Nothing like a good counter protest to lift our spirits and re-enegize us even more. Counter protests discourages attendence on the H8te side. Look their tour is failing, no one is showing up, well except for these guys in the white tuxedos LOL. Ohio I am proud of YOU!!! I hope the counter protests get bigger and louder. NOM will spin this anyway,at least we are forcing them to lie BIG now. I wonder if there was any mainstream media there?

  • 135. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:51 am

    Holy, so the actions you took were not premeditated or thought out, it just happened,

    and this reaction, and putting yourself out there publicly is one you have hopefully given some thought,

    If so I hear and sense your bravery, and I too send a high five,

  • 136. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:53 am

    In one of their flickr photos, there is a shot of Maggie giving an interview to some local news affiliate.

    What's happening at the press conference over at Trinity Church – the one from Equality Ohio?

  • 137. jc  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:56 am

    so glad you added this pam! i saw this on someone else's blog and it truly made my day…this is how we should have been handling that hateful bunch all along! there are some hilarious signs in the bunch….and to think i've always found geeks/nerds kind of hot, now they're even more fantastic! :)

  • 138. Barb  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:58 am

    I re-purposed some of your photos in my twitter feed. I hope you don't mind. @be4marriage.

    I'm a supporter of traditional, heterosexual only marriage.

  • 139. jc  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:58 am

    here's the link to the blog i saw it on, there are some widescreen shots of the event…you can click on them to see them up close:

    for some reason the 'magnets' picket just tickles me!

  • 140. Lynn E  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:00 am

    "Invitation only."

    They want public squares to be like marriage. Only open to some.

  • 141. Rick  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:00 am

    I live here in Columbus and went to today's protest and the local Prop-8 support rally at our city hall in the winter last year. The local PD mounted unit was at both. They always have the horses and their riders on the street next to the venue. Not in the way, but prominantly displayed so as to show they're ready if anybody gets out of hand. Not a bad thing. As for the State House plaza, that's under state trooper jurisdiction. I question the validity of their authority to restrict access to the plaza as well. How do they determine who gets to walk on the several yards of open plaza in front of the podium? These people are from out of state, and most of the protestors are Ohio tax-payers paying the troopers salary and for the State House and that plaza. The man in charge of the State House is a gay guy and I have friends who know him. I saw him after NO-Ms speeches on the Plaza with his ID around his neck so I'm going to see if I can ask about the legality of restriction to the plaza and how troopers determine who's with or against the speaker. One last thing, after most had letf and as NO-M was preparing to board their bus, a group of young people with a pride flag stood facing the bus from the sidewalk. An apparent NO-M supporter (maybe one of the organizers) came up and engaged in a discussion with the kids. I started to get cell phone video of her talking with the kids and she got mad and went to the troopers, who – of course – did nothing.

  • 142. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:01 am

    Hey all. I was one of the co-organizers for this action. There are a lot of questions, and I don't have time to get into all the juicy details right at this second, but there are a few points worth mentioning.

    – Don't hate on the police. We spoke with them for a good ten minutes before things really got started, and they were incredibly courteous and respectful. I don't know who mandated the road blocks, but the vibe I got from the officers was that they thought it was all much ado about nothing. They were all incredibly friendly, and did not interfere with the protest in any way. Columbus cops are good like that.

    – I did a head count and NOM had maybe 35 people in total, counting staff. I had heard that probably 8-10 staff members were present. Thomas tried to do a head count for our side, but people were arriving so quickly and regularly that it was hard to keep an accurate count. My conservative estimate is that we had around 120-130 people there, and probably more like 150+ altogether.

    – I missed the arrest, but apparently the woman in question was creating some sort of disturbance. I don't know who she was, nor do I know exactly what she did, so I can't offer any further comment on the incident at this time.

    – As was reported, Brian Brown was not in attendance. Maggie Gallagher did show up and speak, but kept her distance from the protesters, barely even looking our way. Louis Marinelli, however, spent a good portion of his time about 5 feet away from us, taking pictures and generally looking like a pompous ass. I tried to speak to him several times, but he refused to engage us.

    – One of the couples who actually went into NOM's rally (with their adorable daughter) apparently included the owner or owners of Donato's Pizza. A few other couples joined them. I saw the police talking to them, but they were not removed from the event.

    Overall, the protest was a smashing success. I wish to extend my thanks to everyone who was able to attend, and to let everyone know that I am incredibly proud of them for putting up with the oppressive heat in order to stand up for equality. It was a beautiful, positive event, and I am honored to have been a part of it.

  • 143. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:01 am

    Hopefully when you reused these photos you did not alter them or misuse them. That wouldn't be very Christian of you if you did.

  • 144. Rick  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:03 am

    I was at the press conference and there were only about a dozen people there, no regular local press that I could see. Understandable since the exciting visuals that interest media were all on that state house plaza.

  • 145. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:04 am

    Which pics?

  • 146. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:05 am

    Thank you for the update Rev. Hunt! :-)

  • 147. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:06 am

    Yes, it would be good to know what happens if we find ourselves in your situation. Also, did they collect a DNA sample from you?

    Dave in Maine

  • 148. Barb  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:06 am

    @ Barb so you're a copycat, no surprize, most bigots aren't original in ltheir thinking,

  • 149. StraightForEquality  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:06 am

    Maybe BB couldn't stand his brown suit any longer, either.


  • 150. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:07 am

    One of my favorite books: Bless Your Heart, Tramp, and Other Southern Endearments.


  • 151. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:08 am

    …"It was a beautiful, positive event, and I am honored to have been a part of it."…. Well it doesn't get any better than that. My hat's (err beret) off to you from Provence France!!!

  • 152. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:09 am

    My cousin Jane was one of the counter-pickets against Phelps and Co. when they stood outside the theatre in San Francisco. They were really on a rant that day, what with Harvey Fierstein playing Tevye in "Fiddler on the Roof" — they could be homophobic and anti-Semitic all in one go.

    Jane's signs read "Mikey hates everything" and "I also have a sign."

    Fiona (who knew Jane for 10 years before discovering she was my cousin — seriously)

  • 153. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:11 am

    He hasn't had a new post on his blog since 7/21.


  • 154. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:13 am

    Yes, It wasn't premeditated. I have done many many protests and actions over the years, but really this time I just wandered into the wrong side and decided to run with it. I can't let anyone go through their life saying they haven't met a queer. It's kind of my policy. So I started shaking hands.

    Putting myself in the public eye doesn't scare me a bit. I am who I am.

    I refuse to be afraid and unlike the anonymous donors to Prop 8 and other hate legislation, I am true enough to my beliefs to put my real name on them.

    My name is Holly Hahn. I am a lesbian. I am not scared of police, social disapproval or bigots stalking me.

    I believe that the time for Mr/s Nice Gay is over. I'm tired of endless attacks against our lives. I don't want them to feel safe behind the barricade- why should they get the privilege of feeling safe when their words or hate make our brothers and sisters UNsafe?

    I will cross barricades again, and I am hoping to organize a courthouse sit in on my court date

  • 155. Ronnie  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:13 am

    Oh so Barb, you're an anti-American Fascist who thinks she has the right to control our personal lives according to her own selfish beliefs.

    Shame on you


  • 156. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:14 am

    Gee whiz, Barb. I likewise hope that you did not alter any of the photographs in any way. Because that would lack integrity.

    Actually, announcing that you've done so after the fact rather than asking first lacks integrity too … but what the heck. Who cares about integrity? That only gets in the way of a good argument against equal protection under the law.

    Love from a straight, married woman in favor of equality (and who used to be a newspaper editor),

  • 157. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:15 am

    Yes, the cops were very nice and respectful to me. (all but the first one)They kept me sitting in a hot cruiser for 2 hours, but hey. It's hot out.

    They were mostly apologetic.

  • 158. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:16 am

    Alright everyone… I don't think barb is really on the other side

    look that the twit pic

  • 159. Barb  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:17 am

    The post can be found here:

    Follow me here:

    I find that they are quite accurate. I'm having so much fun following Brian and Maggie around the country!

    In Christ,

  • 160. matthew  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:19 am

    I think the proper term to describe NOM and this epic fail of an event is 'victim complex'.

    Sadly, they will turn it into a slideshow and rake in tons of bucks from supporters under the fake promise of anonymity.

    How many lawsuits are they art of and fraud investigations are they being investigated for now?

    It reeks of desperation more than what those big beautiful horses leave behind.

    If they came here to Anchorage, I would do exactly the same thing as holly. Walk in casually, be extremely polite and extend my hand to them. Then after they touched me I would politely say 'I'm a homosexual, and I will pray for God to forgive you."

  • 161. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Barb, you are doing a fantastic job. Been reading your twitter feeds for days now. You crack me up!


  • 162. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:19 am

    You mean she was baiting us?

  • 163. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Barb, I had a look at your Twitter stream. I hate to say this, but I am having a hard time deciding whether or not you are doing parody or are for real.

    That said, the only manner in which you "took the photographs (I took a few few photos of our supporters vs. their supporters. #no4m #marriagetour #christian is that you lifted them from this site.

    Really. Is honesty too much to ask?

  • 164. Tina  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:21 am

    I found the pics she posted. I don't understand why she is. They do not help her cause.

  • 165. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:21 am

    No, she has been baiting them, and doing a great job. She sometimes just rewords it enough that even I have to look twice to see.

  • 166. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:22 am

    I guess it IS a little hot for hoods. No wonder they're staying home.

    Why couldn't Brian plan these gatherings in the middle of the night?


  • 167. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:22 am

    As I posted below, I can't really tell.

    So many of the Tea Party and Religious Reich crowd actually believe this stuff that I am no longer clear whether blatant absurdity is parody or sincerely held belief.

    Nevertheless, stating that she took the photographs (other than in the sense that she lifted them from this site) is kind of silly

  • 168. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:22 am

    Okay. Now that I looked at the photos, I get it — but, as I said. You can never really tell nowadays.

  • 169. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:24 am

    I didn't think they'd be counting on new recruits — but I'm sure they wanted to show how massive the support is for traditional marriage.

    It's tough to insist that the whole country (other than the pesky West Coast and Northeast) is behind you when your "crowds" number in the ones (or possibly the tens). Even "the dozens" wouldn't have helped much. They really really wanted 'the hundreds" or "the thousands."

    Any word on the Pro-Equality event in Columbus today?

  • 170. Abby  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:25 am

    Hi CCers!!

    I just wanted to say, as I attended the protest today, that Louis is a douche. I ended up in a conversation with him after the rally, and he spouted the same sentence about adoption at me at least 5 times and finally I said, if you're not actually going to say anything else, I'm going to leave now." His statement was "Adoption is about giving children the parents they need, not giving parents the child they want." From what I got from listening to him, apparently that means that all hetero couples who adopt have no desire to be parents, they're doing it just to provide a home. I asked my friend Louis, shouldn't it be about both things? His answer: "Adoption is about giving children the parents they need, not giving parents the child they want." Ok dude. You go take some pics and keep your mouth shut. Thanks.

    Also, I introduced myself to Maggie after the rally and after we established that I am pro-marriage equality, our short conversation went like this:

    Me: "I wanted to tell you, even though I don't agree with anything you say, and although I wish you were doing something that wasn't an attempt to put limits on my life, I have to admire your passion."

    MG (looking rather shocked): "Thank you! Yeah, you know, we all have a lot in common…We're all citizens, and neighbors, and friends… we share a lot. So I really appreciate that."

    Me: "You're welcome."

    MG: "God bless you, thank you."

    If only this woman would listen to herself. No, Maggie, I'm not that different from you. So my marriage, wouldn't be that different from yours or any other straight person's. Can I have my rights now?

  • 171. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:26 am

    So which version of "traditional" do you and don't you believe in? Traditional marriages where the woman is property and can't have a say in matters outside of the kitchen? Traditional marriages that are only between couples of the same race? Traditional marriages where the woman must be a virgin before becoming married or else be stoned to death? Traditional marriages brought together because of a bsusiness meter between the parents? Traditional marriage where the father of a child out of wedlock is forced to marry the mother, even if he is lousy and abusive? Traditional marriages where the wedded couple met for the first time on their wedding day? The list of so-called "traditions" can go on for pages. I hope you know that marriages between couples of the same sex have been going on for thousands of years.

  • 172. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:26 am

    PamC, I must admit this article is pretty funny. Chanting back and forth to the phelps clan, "What do we want? Gay Sex! When do we want it? NOW! You just cna't make this sh*t up LOL. And the signs are so creative and amusing. A good chuckle for me today.

  • 173. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:26 am

    Fiona, you have to go and read her tweets… she does it so beautifully. I am sure they take her for the real thing!


    There are a whopping 23 people here at the rally for heterosexual only marriage.

    Iowans, take back equal civil rights from your neighbors and fellow citizens. Join NOM’s Summer for Marriage Tour!

    The gays keep suing us to be in the military, get married etc. Next they will want to be teachers, lawyers, and doctors.

  • 174. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:27 am

    I'd love a copy of that Richard.

    Brrrr, no wonder we get that creepy shudder up our spine when we drive thru the shadow of their building.

  • 175. Heather  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:28 am

    I don't know why NOM keeps saying that Marriage Equality RI organized the protest. Queer Action did and I was one of the main organizers….should I call them?

  • 176. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:29 am

    Abby, thank you for standing up for adoptees with what you told Louis. Your honesty that adoption should be about giving parents the children they want AND giving children the parents they need brought my late adoptive mother back to the front of my thoughts. for that I thank you. OTOH, the totally ignorant remark made by Louis is one that, as an adoptee, I take as a personal attack on me, my mother and on all adoptive families. Thank you for standing up for us. Your children are so blessed to have you as a mother.

  • 177. Bob  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:29 am

    you go Holly

  • 178. Dave P.  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:31 am


  • 179. Abby  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:31 am

    Edit: The last thing Maggie said was actually: "God bless you, thank you. I'm really moved."

    If only she could be moved further away from her discriminatory rhetoric….

  • 180. Jonathan Davis  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:31 am

    Is this the same gentleman?
    picture is from NOM Flickr page – the NJ Ralley

  • 181. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:32 am

    You need to read her tweets, MarkM. I can almost guarantee you'll like them. =)

  • 182. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:33 am

    Alan — check her tweets before you flame. She rocks!

  • 183. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:33 am

    Okay, I get it now. Pretty damned funny.
    I hope Indiana has a lot of protestors on your twitter feed(?) (is feed the right word?) I see where NOM is begging people to show up in Indy.

  • 184. Barb  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:34 am

    I wouldn't say I altered then. I say I "enhanced them"!

  • 185. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:34 am

    Pssst. She's on our side.

  • 186. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:35 am

    So my marriage, wouldn’t be that different from yours

    Well, not much different except for the fact that you and your spouse show up together in public.

  • 187. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:36 am

    Maybe he had to go pick up his drycleaning???

  • 188. Rick  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:40 am

    NO-M tour tracker, if you're still in town, the weekly Friday night HRC Happy Hour is going on right now till 7 at Union Cafe!

  • 189. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:41 am

    And wear each other's wedding rings.

  • 190. Ronnie  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Wait?!…..Ronnie is confused about this Barb person….what in the name of all this is good & Gaga is going on?

    : / …..Ronnie

  • 191. Felyx  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:41 am

    North Carolina Supporting –
    24 Donors, largest donation $1,000
    Total Donations – $5,250

    North Carolina Opposed –
    226 Donors, largest donation $2,950
    Total Donations – $47,388

    That is True Carolina Pride!!!

    Puerto Rico – Opposed
    Total Donations – $6,700

    Puerto Rico – Supporting

    Gotta Love the Ricans!

    I noted that only a few states had more money For than Against, and in just about everyone of them one of the donors was a >50% donor. I doubt 'they' will be able to raise enough funds for this kind of activity again!

    I have not done my usual OC full statistical analysis but I bet the conclusion will be that there is far more diverse support from pro-gay smaller donors who have enough resources to make a repeat donation, while there are far fewer anti-gay donors with far too many of them making unrepeatable massive donations. The Mormons tapped their herd to the limit. All that money and the courts are still going to overrule them. Sad…


  • 192. Rebecca  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:46 am

    Haha I too got all upset until I saw the posts and pics. Hilarious! Your rock Barb!

  • 193. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:46 am

    Well now. Maybe I will go get a drink :) I could use one, it's been a big day

  • 194. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:52 am

    lol, I'll have one, too, and toast you. Hang in there, Holly!

  • 195. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:53 am

    Just look at her tweet account portrait. :)

  • 196. Randy  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:53 am

    Maggie rarely looks happy and looks are pretty telling!

  • 197. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:53 am

    I don't think that's the same man.

  • 198. Rebecca  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:54 am

    Her twitter feed is a parody. She's with us.

  • 199. Ronnie  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:56 am

    lol…oops…… >) …..Ronnie

  • 200. Bolt  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:56 am

    That bus should stink! The NOM has road rash, and BB smells like a port-o-potty.

  • 201. Bolt  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:57 am

    It's a republican state. What do you expect. They don't like anyone who disagrees with them.

  • 202. Bryan  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:58 am

    She just wanted to see your eyes, Rick. 😉
    By the way, it was nice meeting you today, Arisha! Keep it up!

  • 203. Bolt  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:59 am


  • 204. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Holly, I'm one of the co-organizers of the counter-protest. If you're on Facebook, please friend me (you can click my name on this comment). I'm trying to nail down all the details of what happened so we can counter NOM's inevitable lies.

  • 205. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:03 am

    sorry for the flame, but when someone who is on our side forgets to mention that they are on our side but touts these kinds of lines, I go into one mode.

  • 206. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:04 am

    What about the "free speech zones"? Can they have the authorities restrict the protesters to something like that, or have they gone the wayside with the new administration?

    Dave in Maine

  • 207. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:04 am

    Jamie, hmmmm you got me thinking about that guy passing our Bible at Gay Pride Minneapolis how the judge said he must be permittted.Why couldn't we go through the NOM [well I can't call it a crowd, how about a clutch, like a clutch of birds, meaning a few but not very many] clutch offering free coffie and copies of the Homosexual agenda? "Hello mame, would you like a coffee and a copy of the homossexual agenda?" Or you could do it as a fund raiser and sell copies of the homosexual agenda.

  • 208. eDee  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:06 am

    Just realizing my comments on FaceBook don't transfer over here!

    Good Grief – this sounds like the nightly news report from Iraq! {{10 police officers on horses are surrounding the venue and there are approximately 5 other uniformed police officers surrounding the space. And there are blockades..}}

    ICK!!! I can't believe I used to be one of those freaks! What the hell was wrong with me?
    It's not that I blindly believe everything I read here. I go to a few of the hater sites and read what they are saying and I know exactly what they are doing, what they are thinking and how they are going to blow it out of proportion – I could be a hater profiler!
    (Mmm, I wonder if there is any money in that lol)

    ICK!!!!! Flashbacks!

  • 209. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:06 am

    I knew he was a dork, thanks for your first hand report confirming it. Nothing between the ears, oh I forgot to say, "Bless his soul"

  • 210. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:09 am

    friended you.

  • 211. Nelson G  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Why are people debating adoption at an ant-gay marriage equality event.

    Newsflash – children are not requisite for marriage.

    It's a bait and switch argument.

  • 212. Bryan  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:14 am

    You're right! The couple does own Donato's!

    For those d the barricade, and walked peacefully up toward the podium (with the cheers of the pro-equality side at their backs). Later, they walked back to our side, this time carrying their little girl in their arms. The best part was at the end when people were giving the daughter high-fives– she looked so excited to have people applauding her!

  • 213. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:14 am

    I am toasting you also, Holly, but with espresso.

  • 214. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:17 am

    OMG! Is that Aunt Barb,of Tupperware?

  • 215. fiona64  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:18 am

    Hi, Nelson. It's Louis' (hi, Louis!) "bumper sticker" response to the fact that GLBT people have families, too. He thinks he has figured out a way around that.


  • 216. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:26 am

    You may be on to something there, eDee. Maybe this is your calling in life–to expose the haters for who and what they are.

  • 217. Mouse  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:45 am

    I thought the whole reason they were doing this was so they could recruit our children to their alternative lifestyle of hatred and bigotry. And to get press… But if they're hiding like this and not allowing the pre-converted into their space, how do they expect that to work?

    "I don't know." Is that the answer for everything they do?

  • 218. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:51 am

    I'm thinking this is also in keeping with another theme:
    "There are HORDES of people who believe as we do; we don't need evidence (as in, any of them showing up) to prove that."

  • 219. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Brian must be back in California. We just had a little earthquake.

  • 220. jules  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:57 am

    see you there w/ my queer-ass army! thanks for being visible.

  • 221. Jon Evans  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Slashed tires, confrontations at podiums, cops on horses- its more than obvious what they are trying to do. Paint the picture that we are hurting them instead of the truth of what they do and have done to us for thousands of years.

    DO NOT GET CONFRONTATIONAL! It hurts us and helps them. Dont you see that we are seen as the evil perverts still and they get the sympathy- we dont!

    Our friends and family love us and for that we are lucky. However when we are in the "public eye" – not sure what the percentages are but at least 50% of the people who see this actually do not like us.

    We ALWAYS need to look respectable and decent.


    Love you peeps!!

  • 222. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:05 am

    I would still like to know what a Virginian who runs a New Jersey-based hate group is doing in California. Is he there to consult with Fred Phelps and his little cult while they are in San Diego?

  • 223. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:05 am

    OMFG…sorry I am cursing.

    The story now is that Holly was trying to STORM THE PODIUM…

    Maggie’s Take on Columbus rally.

    "One woman tried to incite folks to storm the podium again, but the police made that seem like a pretty bad idea."

    Read More:

    Ronnie, can you find that song Lies Lies Lies Lies…not sure the real name, or who sings it, but it does remind me of Maggies newest LIES.

  • 224. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Not sure, but if Brian Brown is involved, it might actually help take down that group too!

  • 225. Ray in MA  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:07 am

    ROTFLMOA! That was the first thing I thought of! (But not exactly in those terms!!!)

    I'm still laughing at the way you put it, Bob!

  • 226. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:08 am

    And isn't there one by Fleetwood Mac called Sweet Lies or Telling Me Lies?

  • 227. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Very well said Jon! People seem to forget that. Get to caught up in the emotion of it all. I've myself been guilty of that myself in my youth….but as I've gotten older I have come to relaize that it's not about making myself feel better at that moment, but rather taking a look at the 'big picture'.
    It's sad that so many of our family members here and in the greater community can't see the simple truth in that.

  • 228. Mouse  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:11 am

    And the only response for that is "GOOD GOD, MAN!"

  • 229. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:12 am

    If we could only be so fortunate.

  • 230. Ray in MA  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:12 am

    "One woman, before she was escorted out of the rally by police, went through the crowd offering her hand to NOM supporters before ripping it away and cursing in their faces."

    If this was the one who got arrested, I can understand why.

    Tha can constitute a threat. (Like being in the audience flipping be bird… Fiona?)

  • 231. Mouse  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Are you saying that NOM should be taken to court for discriminating (blatantly) against gay people? What would that do, besides restore our faith in the justice system?

  • 232. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Little Lies by Fleetwood Mac

  • 233. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:14 am

    So the AFA sent out the same home Depot email again.

  • 234. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Thank you, Mark M!

  • 235. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Do we know where in California?

    Is it wrong to hope he thinks a verdict in the Prop 8 trial is imminent?

  • 236. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:17 am

    So pathetic

  • 237. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Isn't that NOM's version of the story. I don't believe ANYTHING they say. They have shown themselves – over and over again – to spin stories and out and out lie to serve advance their agenda.

    Somewhere here you can read Holly's account from her perspective.

  • 238. Ray in MA  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Did she have shoes on?

  • 239. Owen  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:20 am

    I had the same thought, nightshayde.

    But for some reason it feels like it's still not coming for another month or so.

  • 240. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Someone in their office needs to learn how to use their email program.

  • 241. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:21 am

    The Thompson Twins had a song called "Lies" from their hit 1983 LP, Side Kicks.

    "lies lies lies yeah (they're gonna get you)
    lies lies lies yeah (they won't forget you)
    lies lies lies yeah (they're gonna get you)
    lies lies lies yeah"

    (That's just the chorus-there's more to the song…!)

    Dave in Maine

  • 242. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Anyone know the statistics of how many LBGT(and-other-letters-I-can-never-remember) there are 'estimated' to be in the US?

    Maggie mentioned on an article that they are, "Already, we’re more than 700,000 strong."

    Then she goes on to request beg… "If each of us invite just two more friends to help protect marriage, we’ll soon be a massive grassroots army that politicians can’t ignore!"

    lol, I don't think even if they make their goal that they would outnumber us.

    Maggies quotes cited from:

  • 243. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:30 am

    LOL, I did gesture to the crowd to join me…i guess that counts as inciting?

    ANd yeah, I don't agree that behaving all the time always works.


  • 244. Anonygrl  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:33 am

    I went to the Home Depot website and looked at their diversity page, then sent them a nice thank you note.

  • 245. Ray in MA  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Same color hair, same calves/leg shape below the same type of shorts (note pockets)

  • 246. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Yeah, but an enhanced version of the image of the guy in green shows it's not the same guy. The guy in green has lost some face shape from his missing teeth.

  • 247. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:38 am

    I applied for a job.

  • 248. Sagesse  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:39 am

    According to the Williams Institute at UCLA (link at the bottom of the page) there were 8.8 million in 2005.

    Data is state by state.

  • 249. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:43 am

    They have different jaws.

  • 250. Tim  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Yes! Hello Brian and Louis!
    Who is Louis?

  • 251. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Louis J Marinelli, their videographer and general rabble rouser.

  • 252. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:48 am

    You just made me realize…tomorrow I would be saying good 'mourning' to Maggie and Louis.

  • 253. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:53 am

  • 254. Tim  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Thats my question! Are they profiling like Arizona is now doing? I'm gay, but people don't usually know unless I tell them.
    What are they looking for in a counter protester?

  • 255. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Iced tea here (still working).

  • 256. Tim  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:59 am

    They Cant! I was at a ralley/protest in SF and we were all intertwined standing side by side even though we disagreed on everything. I would have crossed those baracades (not to cause trouble, just to make a statement).

  • 257. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Good luck!! I have 2 friends that work for HD…they LOVE it!

  • 258. StraightForEquality  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:00 am

    @Barb, you gave me my first reason to get a twitter account. I am following you now. It's good for a laugh!

  • 259. Dave P.  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:03 am


  • 260. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:04 am

    During the arguments for the first Prop 8 trial (State Supreme Court; if we are talking about the same rally), they had the proceedings on the jumbotron with everyone mixed together. Every time one of the pro-prop 8 people came near me with a sign or chant about some biblical reason for marriage, I just started chanting, "Don't Eat Shrimp!" right back at them.

  • 261. Alan E.  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:06 am

    I like the Bender costume, too, but I got a kick out of the hypno-toad sign, too.

  • 262. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:06 am

    And that is just the self identified persons. I would say the real total is easily 2 to 3 times that.
    Even if we just go with the old standard 1 in 10 (10%) we are talking 30 million

  • 263. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Thanks, Mark. That is where we buy most of our DIY and other stuff, and after seeing the AFA email the first time it went out, we called Brad Shaw's office and let them know that they will be getting the rest of our DIY, home improvement and lawn care dollars. I like how easy it is to find stuff there.

  • 264. Tim  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:08 am

    NO! NOM keeps reffering to our equality movement as the "Homosexual Agenda" Don't lead them on please..

  • 265. Heather Sheridan  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:09 am

    You know I am a Lesbian and I was adopted by a heterosexual couple. I carry scars on my body as does my sister from our abusive Father. He was a drunk and a drug addict and a completely miserable human being. I would have given anything as a child to be raised in a different family no matter who they were as long as my father was not one of my parents. And we went to church every week and he was an "Upstanding" member of our community and business owner. I wonder how many of these "Christian" NOW suppoters are exactly like he was.

  • 266. Felyx  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:12 am

    For those of you who remember Little House on the Prairie, don't Maggie and Brian (and all of NOM's attitude really) remind you of Nellie and Willie?

    "Other essential characters included the friendly Nels Oleson, … his malicious, gossiping wife, Harriet; and their two spoiled children, Nellie and Willie…"


  • 267. Tim  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:14 am

    You people are sinking to their level. Is it necessary?

  • 268. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Actually, they make Nellie and Willie look like generous souls.

  • 269. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:21 am

    I don't think it's sinking to their level. He asked a question and didn't outright lie.

  • 270. Marlene  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Wrong! Ohio is NOT a Republican state!

    All but the State Auditor is Democrat, the Ohio House is controlled by the Dems. Our newest US Senator, Sha Democrat, and Lee Fisher hopes to be the next senator, and he's a Democrat too.

    Columbus has one of the largest gay communities in the region, the Short North, which is close to the State House.

    Columbus has a non-discrimination ordinance protecting on sexual orientation and has had for years.

    Ohio is *far* from being a blue state!

  • 271. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Shortly after the mounted units arrived, the NOM bus was moved further down the street. That was the only time the horses were anywhere near their bus.

  • 272. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:27 am

    The police did put them there. Supposedly it was because NOM had a permit, which apparently meant that they had the right to control access to their event. They couldn't say it directly (obviously) but we could tell that the cops thought it was more than a little silly.

  • 273. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:28 am

    From what I heard, they had about a dozen people show up and no press. Some of us were going to try to take that in before heading over to the protest, but we got held up talking to the police and briefing the new arrivals on the rules we were working with.

  • 274. Marlene  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:29 am

    The NOMbies are saddled with hate and prejudice on their side… no *wonder* their numbers are so pathetic…

    "Saddled"… get it? >ducks<

  • 275. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:31 am

    The first sentence isn't a lie. The last four words aren't a lie. One person in attendance had a whistle, which was put to use for maybe 5 minutes near the beginning. There was shouting, but no obscenities that I heard, and I was all over the place shooting video. I also never saw a single "lewd gesture."

  • 276. Bolt  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Maggie looks well fed.

  • 277. eDee  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:32 am

    LOL I was thinking more along the lines of knowing their next move so we could be one step ahead of them.

    ("Exposing" is their game, not ours. lol However, if you find his 'love child' don't hold back.)

  • 278. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Louis was there, but he didn't do much besides take some pics of us and stand around smirking like a douche.

  • 279. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:38 am

    She won't be happy until all civil rights for GLBTs are rescinded!

  • 280. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:41 am

    I am happy to say that this was by far an incredibly peaceful protest. Our group was very well-behaved and dignified, and I was proud of each and every person who attended today. Even toward the end, when a couple of street preachers popped up, they were treated with respect and actually seemed a bit surprised by that.

  • 281. nightshayde  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Besides which, the question makes sense. She was reprimanded in court for having her shoes off at some point during the Prop 8 trial.

    Was it during the closing arguments?

  • 282. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Reverend Hunt, I tried to send a friend request to you on FB both by direct search from my profile and also by clicking your link here, and was unsuccessful in both directions. Please send me a friend request with a message, and I will confirm. It would be nice to have someone help me keep up with what is going on back near my home turf. I grew up just outside of NOM's August 11th stop–Charleston, WV.

  • 283. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Yes, nightshayde it was during closing arguments. The bailiff had to come over and ask Maggie to take her feet down from the bench and put her shoes back on.

  • 284. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Doesn't this article go against what the opponents said during the Prop 8 trial? Shouldn't divorces be on the rise?

    Marriages up, divorces down in Iowa

    DES MOINES – Iowa ended a four-year slide in the number of couples getting married last year, but experts say the turnaround could have been aided in part by an April 2009 court ruling that legalized same-sex marriages.

  • 285. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:57 am

    In fairness to the NOMers, maybe the article didn't take into account all the os marriages that spontaneously combusted as a result of allowing ss couples to marry.

  • 286. Marlene  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:58 am

    As did I, if that's okay…

  • 287. Felyx  |  July 23, 2010 at 9:58 am

    I think Marlene meant to say 'far from being a red state."

  • 288. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:12 am

    It 1000% okay. I'm happy to connect with anyone on Facebook who has an interest in LGBT activism and issues.

  • 289. eDee  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:14 am

    BTW, that is you I befriended on Facebook, right? (Home Alone?)
    Haven't seen many posts from you, must not be addicted! lolol

  • 290. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Request sent, Richard, but I accidentally clicked send instead of the button to include a message.

  • 291. Mark M  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:21 am


  • 292. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Fiona, Louis has posted that you have not been banned (could it be that you were the draw for his site?)

    His exact words:

    Nobody has been banned or removed.

    The settings were changed so as to allow only registered users from posting.

    There were too many anonymous posters before.

  • 293. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:40 am

    I wish I had had that opportunity. Two questions I would like to ask her face to face:

    a) Am I really a threat to your marriage? How?

    b) Which rights and protections that you get do you think I should not have?

    I really, really want her to answer those to my face.

  • 294. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Sonoma County Defendants to Pay Clay Greene over $650,000 to Settle Case in Which County Forcefully Separated Greene from his Partner of 20 Years

    Late yesterday evening, Clay Greene and the estate of Harold Scull, Greene’s deceased partner of 20 years, reached a settlement resolving their lawsuit against the County of Sonoma (“County”) and other defendants.

    Greene and Scull’s estate will receive well over a half a million dollars—a total of $653,000—to compensate for the damages the couple suffered due to the County’s discriminatory and unlawful conduct. The County has agreed to pay $600,000, with a smaller payment by defendant Agua Caliente Villa of $53,000.

    Read Full Article:

  • 295. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Here you go…their answer to question 1

  • 296. eDee  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:47 am

    You're right!
    Respect and dignity.
    When I was in brainwashing school, I was taught how to act, what to say, how to sit, what to wear.
    Honestly if you mirror them in image (not mindset) they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. If all gay rights supporters showed up in their respective Sunday best (dresses, even bibbed dresses for the ladies and pant suits with ties for the man) Brian Brown wouldn’t have an argument.
    He can’t demand that the police remove all the people dressed in their Sunday best, possibly holding their children lovingly in their arms – He’d be a monster!
    Better yet, get some breast feeding lesbians in a public place, cover them respectfully – NO ONE is going to touch or even suggest that a nursing mother be removed for anywhere!
    Once everyone is in place, wait until about half way through the rally than pull out some rainbow umbrellas for shade, or a rainbow pin to place on your shirt. Something that says “I‘m no different than you and you‘re not better than me” without actually saying it.

    It will change opinions. That's how you all changed ME!

  • 297. Dave in CA  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:53 am

    If their members would please just follow directions and send the AFA all their money, the AFA wouldn't have to keep spamming them like that. :-)

  • 298. Sagesse  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Check this out on the subject of Columbus:

    NOM speaks to another mostly-empty city plaza

    "In Columbus, police set up barricades behind which protesters were required to stand. The protesters chanted and blew whistles. While that is annoying to the speakers, I’m not sure exactly what it accomplished. There’s nothing really wrong with the “hey hey ho ho” chants, but I think it would be more effective to sing We Shall Overcome. Or really annoy NOM and get a few powerful tenors to belt out Ave Maria."

    The first comment, on this point, is a great idea for Indianapolis:

    "Not to brag, but I know 3 versions: Schubert’s (in Italian and Latin), Bach-Gounod’s and Verdi’s (from Otello) so if any of the organizers from the Indianapolis counter protest wants to put this theory to the test send me an email through my blog (just click on my name) and I’ll be happy to see how we can stop that nonsense fast.

    I’ll be happy to also offer Malotte’s Lord’s Prayer with a pretty decent Bb at the end that is sure to get the speakers (human and electronic) to stop for a second.

    Your call, just email. Not kidding."

  • 299. Ann S.  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:03 am

    @LLB, as I am sure you know, most of those things are not true or are unrelated to marriage.


  • 300. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Yes, this does go against what the Prop H8 supporters claimed. And I wonder how many straight ally couples refused to get married until marriage equality became legal in Iowa. That is probably one of the collateral effects in Iowa that contributed to the increase in marriages.

  • 301. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Another small victory in court. A federal judge in Arizona has granted the request for a preliminary injunction, which will block the state from eliminating domestic partner benefits for same sex couple who are Arizona State employees. The case will proceed on the merits:

  • 302. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Would you also be so kind as to post it here as well once you have sifted through it? I know CC always appreciates those of us who are able to post something they may not have that pertains to any aspect of full equality.

  • 303. eDee  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Has anyone been to the NOM site? Have you noticed that their blog doesn't have a lot of comments. I read 8 or 9 blogs and only saw 1 comment – total!

    How do we know that Brian Brown flew to CA? Is there a press release or a blog or something?
    Please post links, I'm working on a theory, but I need information that is coming directly from them and I don't see any on the NOM site.

  • 304. Ray in MA  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:33 am

    You must be a very strong person to be where you are today. Heather, I admire you for being you.

  • 305. eDee  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Why is it my comments get posted haphazardly everywhere on this blog? UGH!!

    Has anyone been to the NOM site? Have you noticed that their blog doesn’t have a lot of comments. I read 8 or 9 blogs and only saw 1 comment – total!

    How do we know that Brian Brown flew to CA? Is there a press release or a blog or something?
    Please post links, I’m working on a theory, but I need information that is coming directly from them and I don’t see any on the NOM site.

  • 306. Ray in MA  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Hi Pamzee, YES, she's very confused.

  • 307. Heather  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:48 am

    I think she met Susan back in the day when Susan was with MERI but MERI was not at the protest. I'm surprised they assumed that.

  • 308. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:58 am

    I think I got it. Especially when I saw the two words between your middle name and your last name.

  • 309. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Thank you again, Kirille! I am having to stop as I type this because I am laughing so hard. And I haven't even read this one to BZ yet.

  • 310. Kathleen  |  July 23, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    You should be able to go to the link you used to subscribe, and there will be a list of all the topics you've subscribed to, with an option to unsubscribe to any or all of them.

    However, at the moment there is something tweaky going on with subscriptions at wordpress, so you might just get a blank page when you click on the link. If that happens, try again later when they have the problem resolved.

  • 311. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    I sure will. I'm going to try to get at least that clip uploaded before I go to bed tonight.

  • 312. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    @Ray in MA–I trust that you are including yourself when you say lotz of good people. I hope you are anyway.

  • 313. Ray in MA  |  July 23, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Thanx Richard, you've touched my heart. Honored to know you here.

    How do you show tears of sentiment on the keyboard?

    &-) ?

  • 314. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 23, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    @ Ray in MA. I am not sure what the emoticon is for that one. I hope to also run into you on FB. Same name there as here.

  • 315. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Yo, Raymond! Do you have that fb account you mentioned?

  • 316. Rhonda  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    read her tweets afore you judge

  • 317. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Either that or he had to pull a Joe Solmonese and visit Rodeo Drive to buy some more. The others were starting to look a bit threadbare.

  • 318. Rebecca  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Seems like if it’s the same guy, he’s been to more than one of their locations and is probably a NOM member or staffer. And if he grabbed you, you have cause to press charges for assault. I just pray somebody got that part on tape.

  • 319. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Think Betty Bowers, Ronnie!♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

  • 320. Holly Hahn  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    yes i think so. If anyone could find out his name for me I would appreciate it. He assaulted me and I would like to press charges

  • 321. Straight Grandmother  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Yeah, I would call, write, send e-mail. Make them get their facts straight (get the pun?). Many many many thanks for organizing this, your rally relaly motivated me to do mroe for the cause. Keep up the fantastic wonderful work! Are you going to DC? Bringing anyone with you?

  • 322. Jamie  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    FYI: When these events are held on public property, the police can not keep counter protesters out. We all have a legal right to be there.

    Frankly, I’d use this ruling against NOM when they go to minneapolis.

  • 323. PamC  |  July 23, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    One of their posts mentions that Maggie (I think) met you when you were on the board of MERI. She’s probably confused.

  • 324. Dpeck  |  July 23, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Excellent! Although it would have been better if the settlement had been bigger. A lot of us were following this case closely here in northern California. Words like 'tragedy' and 'nightmare' don't begin to describe what this couple endured.

  • 325. Rev. Michael V. Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    I apologize for the shakiness and inconsistent audio. The glare was making my view screen almost impossible to see, and intermittent breezes and background noise were interfering.

  • 326. Jeremy  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    So proud to be a science geek & gamer today! Didn't go to comicon but will be at blizzcon in oct. Doubt there'll be any protests, just lots of sexy nerds, some with their boyfriends. :)

    <3 jeremy

  • 327. Bolt  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    That’s amazing. In Florida, the proponents of marriage equality, who were against prop 8, outspent the the opponents of marriage equality, who were for prop 8, 4 to 1.

  • 328. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Or his Rentboy account?

  • 329. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    I also love her quote “Hate is not a family value.”

    Maggie, are you thinking twice about what you write?

  • 330. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    I didn’t see the woman, but there was also at one point a man with four young boys who came to engage the protesters with the flag. I got quite a bit of video of that exchange, and I will be posting it on Facebook sometime in the next couple of days. I have a LOT of footage to sift through and edit, so it may be a bit before that portion goes up.

  • 331. Lesbians Love Boies  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    Yes. Luckily I didn’t say ‘good’ answers to Dave in CA’s question.

    I ranted on that article a few days ago.

  • 332. Ann S.  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    No, not good answers at all.

  • 333. ĶĭŗîļĺęΧҲΪ  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:25 pm

                                                     THE FUTURE OF NOM’S BUS TOUR
                                                                         (short story)

           Brian Brown (by the end of his FAIL tour) says, “Today we’re holding this ‘One man, One woman’ rally for this one man and this one woman!  Oh, lady, please don’t walk away: we need at least one woman!  Pleeeeeese!
           She turns back, comes up to him, spits at him and says, “I have a wonderful son who happens to be gay.  Don’t you dare tell me he has no right to be happy with his equally wonderful fiancé!
           “Thank you, mommy!” says with tears in his eyes the ‘one man’ part of the group, and they both walk away from the rally.
           Later, on his hate-mongering blog that has no visits anymore except for his own, Brown reports a thousand-people crowd that cheered to every word of his, providing a picture with a crowd of people photoshopped from the pictures of 2010 FIFA World Cup fans.

                                                                           The End

  • 334. Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan)  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    No, I am on FB under my real name here. If you are part of the P8TT group on FB, I am there also. In my profile picture I am wearing a suit, and it is an outdoor photo. I live in North Carolina.

  • 335. Ray in MA  |  July 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    WOW! We’ve hit 321+ comments on this blog!

    This has got to be a record here.

    I’m glad to have found this ‘place’.. lotz of good people!

  • 336. Jon  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I can not un-subscribe- can someone help :)

  • 337. Rev. Michael Hunt  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Yup, that was me, rockin’ the glam. 😀

  • 338. Michael  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Is radical anti-gay acivist Brown taking the route of unrepentant homophobe Sarah Palin and quitting his job halfway through the Hate Tour? If God is on his side as he claims, what's he afraid of?

  • 339. eDee  |  July 23, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Some of the WordPress plugins aren’t working because of the WordPress upgrade.

    I’ve been having issues with some of my blogs also. upgrading the plug in didn’t help.

  • 340. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Yes, that'd be great if you could post it here, too. I am no longer on teh fb and miss some of this stuff.

    (Although my, ahem, cat is still on it….maybe I'll hijack her account for gay purposes…..)

    Dave in Maine

  • 341. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Again, the scare tactics-scaring people into thinking that the gay-led government will be after their church.

    Churches, as far as I know, are not obligated to perform marriage ceremonies for everyone. The law in Maine had a provision that allowed for a church to NOT perform a same-sex marriage, just like they can do now with people of other religions.

    But now that I think about it, can a church deny a black couple? I know a justice of the peace denied an inter-racial couple (unethical, but he was within the law, I think).

    There's so much going on, so many cases, it's hard to remember every single thing…

    Dave in Maine

  • 342. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    OMG. Just like the Cylons did!!!!

    Dave in Maine

  • 343. Dave in Maine  |  July 23, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Ha! I am reading the comments in my Mac Mail, so I didn't see that you had posted the youtube link until after I posted my comment.

    I watched a few minutes and I am not sure what to think.

    I have been in a position where someone who didn't agree with marriage-equality truly wanted to discuss it with me and I am glad I didn't have someone yammering behind me, hollering at that person. Was he trying to REALLY discuss it with the kid? It seemed so.

    That woman, though, seemed to be a robot, spouting all of our arguments without actually listening to him. How do you bridge gaps that way? You just reinforce the divide and show them that "the gays don't want to listen to them."

    The conversations I had with curious non-supporters at the polling place last month where I was getting Equality Maine cards signed were good. Many people do not have the opportunity to actually ask us questions about homosexuality or how marriage will truly help us. They only hear the side their church or friends say and they may want more. Maybe the father was a real jerk, but why waste the opportunity for discussion like that woman seemed to be doing?

    Dave in Maine

  • 344. Richard A. Walter (s  |  July 24, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Maybe he has discovered that HaShem is NOT on his side.

  • 345. Gus  |  July 24, 2010 at 3:11 am

    Just read the Saturday morning web edition of The Columbus Dispatch, the daily in town, with not a word about the rally or protest. Which is really funny because the paper’s building is a two minute walk away, across the street from east side of the Capitol. As a subscriber, I have access the print edition online, and found NOTHING additional to the regular web pages accessed for free. NOM didn’t even make the Faith and Values section.

    I have been trying to get the local flavor from dailies after each rally. Not finding anything, does anyone have links to local stories?

  • 346. Jenny  |  July 24, 2010 at 5:50 am

    Wow, I live in Columbus and consider myself pretty in the know on what’s going on in the city, but I had no idea this was happening. Obviously they didn’t try very hard to get the word out. I would have shown up to protest. Oh well. I’m glad they’re gone. The LGBT community in Columbus is very strong and we are proud of that. As shown here: protesters at more than double the NOM showing by these accounts.

  • 347. Rev. Michael V. Hunt  |  July 24, 2010 at 7:04 am

    I totally agree, Dave. I was half-tempted to try to lure her away, but I was caught between my desire to document the exchange as well as my desire not to rile her further and exacerbate the situation. He seemed to be handling her well enough, so I chose to continue documenting and not interfere.

  • 348. Ann S.  |  July 24, 2010 at 9:25 am

    @Dave, a church can deny anyone for any reason they want. Some catholic churches won’t marry divorced people, or people of different religions, or people who won’t promise to raise their children Catholic.

    The New Jersey case is about something else entirely — a beach pavilion owned by a church but frequently rented out for public events of all kinds. While technically church property it was given some sort of tax break as a public facility rather than as church property. They wanted to keep their tax break for a public facility and discriminate. Not cool.

  • 349. Kathleen  |  July 24, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Dave, a Justice of the Peace is a government official, not someone affiliated with a church. So the JoP in the case you refer to was NOT within the law. According to this article, JofPs are elected officials in Louisiana, where the incident took place. I think in some other jurisdictions, they are appointments, but in every case, they are government officials.

    As Anne said above, a church can refuse to marry people for any reason they want to.

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