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#NOMtourFAIL: Post-Prop 8 decision rally? Shockingly dull.

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by Arisha Michelle Hatch

For a rally following Judge Walker’s ruling yesterday that same-sex couples in California could again begin to marry on August 18th (if you missed it, we covered it here and analyzed here), we came to Harrisburg expecting all kinds of Sturm und Drang from NOM. Instead, we got #NOMtourFAIL: a shockingly dull rally accompanied by rain.

Nonetheless,  NOM’s attendance actually managed to outnumber grassroots equality counterprotesters 75 to 53.

NOM supporters in front of the state capitol in Harrisburg

Equality supporters in Harrisburg

Although keep in mind that Equality Pennsylvania chose to hold its counter-event last night, which was well-attended but no doubt detracted from pro-equality attendance that might have otherwise been here today. More on that later.

Those driving down Third Street in front of the Capitol steps had a choice who to honk for – NOM supporters waving handmade “honk for traditional marriage” signs or signs made by equality supporters.

HONK for "Traditional Marriage" signs among NOM supporters

But other than that, this was a dull rally- maybe the dullest yet- that failed to excite supporters. Brian Brown went into religious mode, though.

“There was really no reason to have a trial,” said Brian Brown, speaking about the Prop 8 trial. “I’m confident that God works in mysterious ways . . . But this is going to be a long haul for us. God forbid the Supreme Court [agrees with the decision because] our only recourse will be to go to the people for a Constitutional amendment.”

We have some intense videos coming from NOM rank and file supporters, too. Stay tuned.

UPDATE BY ADAM (11:19 PST): More details on the pro-equality event last night. Equality Pennsylvania chose to hold an event last night rather than today, which consisted of a screening of the new documentary Stonewall Uprising and a youth LGBT panel from four local universities. About 60 people were in attendance, according to Zack Ford, who does his own LGBT-related blogging in the area. He has more:

The event consisted of a screening of the new documentary Stonewall Uprising, which I found particularly compelling. Even when you know a lot of the history and precedent for your community, there is something incredibly powerful about hearing the story told by the people who were actually there. It’s also a stark reminder that what we know as “Pride” today started there, yet most people don’t understand the important historical roots of such events. If you have a chance to see this film, do.

Following the film was a youth panel, featuring student leaders from local universities (UPenn, Millersville, Lincoln, and Gettysburg). They spoke about the work they have been doing to increase visibility for our community, humanize LGBT people, and educate their peers on our issues. They were passionate and really related to the film, saying “anger can be a firestarter” and “you cant wait for others to achieve equality for you.”

It was great to hear about some of the successes at Millersville, but disappointing to hear about some of the frustrations at Lincoln, our nation’s oldest HBCU. There, they only started their LGBT student organization last year for the first time. We often think of our universities as these sanctuaries for LGBT students, but many have long ways to go.

It’s hard to make an objective judgment about how many of those 60 would have attended today instead of last night, but if you take just a third, both sides would end up having about the same number of people at the Capitol.

UPDATE BY ADAM (11:25 PST): More photos of equality supporters in from Phyllis:

Taryn Janati and Sarah Goldberg in Harrisburg
Taryn Janati and Sarah Goldberg

Jennifer Tidd along with Quentin and Elias
Jennifer Tidd along with Quentin and Elias

Angela Dicks and Kelly McEntee
Angela Dicks and Kelly McEntee

UPDATE BY ADAM (1:49 PST): Zack Ford also attended the rally. You can read the full take over there, but a quick excerpt of notable stuff:

Our numbers were hovering just around 50 at any given time. We were mostly engaged in a honking war. People driving down the street from our side would honk for us and we’d cheer. Folks coming the other direction would honk for NOM (and the Catholics standing by the street, though that’s almost redundant), then see us and hide their faces in shame. It was pretty interesting to watch, and it was great to see so many passers-by offer us their support, including company truck drivers, city bus drivers, and even pizza delivery folks!

I think our counterprotest was extremely effective. We did very few cheers while NOM’s speakers were yakking away, but it might not have mattered because the street and bus were a great buffer. I say great, because we had a whole lot more visibility to traffic and the media spent a lot of time filming us and interviewing us. You can also see from the photos that we had a lot of positive messages and a great spirit of family, and we did chant, it was messages of love and equality. We also sang “This Land Is Your Land” and “Gentle Loving People.”


  • 1. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:16 am


  • 2. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:16 am

    Fat chance getting that constitutional amendment, Brian.

    Oh, Hi Louis! Hi Maggie!

  • 3. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:17 am

    Wow – I asked, and I received. =)

    How, exactly, are the people themselves going to amend the Constitution?

  • 4. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:18 am

    And I guess Brainless Brownsuit has not yet realized that an amendment to the US Constitution is not as easy to put into place as an amendment to the California State Contitution. Too bad California doesn't have the same system in place WRT to constitutional amendments that the federal government has, right?

  • 5. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:19 am

    Of course right.

  • 6. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:24 am

    “There was really no reason to have a trial,” said Brian Brown, speaking about the Prop 8 trial. “I’m confident that God works in mysterious ways . . . But this is going to be a long haul for us. God forbid the Supreme Court [agrees with the decision because] our only recourse will be to go to the people for a Constitutional amendment.”

  • 7. Ronnie  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:25 am

    Well there goes Brainless Brown Suit….trying to force us to live by his "God's" rules & definitions….violating our 1st Amendment rights….he is an unmitigated putz ….. <3…Ronnie

  • 8. fiona64  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:26 am

    "Is he a nice man, a good catch?"

    Okay … way too many old theatre jokes.


  • 9. Alan E.  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:27 am

    I'll look at this later. Send me more email for now.

  • 10. Johan de Vries  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:28 am

    A bit offtopic, but…. Arisha, had you noticed how NOM posted two snippets of your interview on their site? Unsurprisingly, without credits to you.

  • 11. Sagesse  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:29 am

    A couple of nights ago (the primaries were Tuesday?) Rachel Maddow described the idea of a marriage amendment to the US Constitution as a 'dog whistle'. It's completely unrealistic, but the symbolism arouses something in their supporters that they can cultivate and use.

  • 12. Ķĭŗîļĺę&  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:29 am

    Underscribing 15 minutes too late

  • 13. Breaking the Silence  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:38 am

    LMAO! From "we don't need no stinking evidence" to "we didn't need no stinking trial"!

  • 14. Richard W. Fitch  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:40 am

    "Sturm und Drang" – All I can say is that the gNOMes are as deaf to the sound of the music as Beethoven was by the time *he* reached the 9th.

  • 15. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:42 am

    *ba – DUM – bum chhhh*

  • 16. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:46 am

    @Fiona, no such thing as too many!

  • 17. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:48 am

    Kinda like "states' rights" during a different era. Oh, wait, that era seems to be back.

  • 18. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:01 am

    Rainbow folks always just look so much happier, than NOMers, don't they?

  • 19. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:07 am

    an aside to our straight allies – my use of "rainbow" includes all of you. I use it as a name for a community that recognizes, values and embraces the great diversity that exists among people.

  • 20. Ed  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:10 am

    This whole fiasco, I mean marriage tour, reminds me of the Saints '10 season. (yes i watch football). We nailed most of the first games, just as we have outnumbered the NOM folk, but then as the season wore on, we lost a few games (just as we were outnumbered today in Harrisburg). But, when it came down to it, we did infact win the Superbowl, just as we will win Marriage Equality.

    Another point….Brian is contemplating the need for a amendment to the US Constitution….well, we all know how difficult that is, but anyway….This seems to confirm the notion that he atleast realizes that there is a possibility that his group will LOSE at the SCOTUS.

    Any thoughts?


  • 21. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:11 am


    A Rainbow Connection — we haz it.

  • 22. Steve  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:11 am

    Rachel Maddow recently did a good segment on that:

  • 23. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:14 am

    I read the "God's Marriage…" sign up above & had a few thoughts pop into my head:

    1. When did God get married?
    2. To whom did God get married?
    3. Can it really be "one man one woman" if the man is an actual deity of some sort rather than a human?
    4. Although Jesus was born to a human mother, if he was raised by Mary and Joseph, he wasn't raised by both of his biological parents — how can NOM approve of such a thing?

  • 24. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:16 am

    I think you're spot-on, Ed. Although Brian and his ilk are praying for their narrow view of marriage to prevail, they're pretty darn sure the liberal activist judiciary system will go against them.

  • 25. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:17 am

    He is also trying to force God to live by his rules.

  • 26. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:19 am

    I LOVE #4. Excellent point.

  • 27. Alan E.  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:19 am

    Funny thing about that.
    1) Nuns are supposedly married to Jesus, and Priests are married to God.
    2) God is neither man nor woman.
    3)God = Jesus

    Therefore God is bisexual, polyamorous, polygamous, and intersex.

  • 28. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:19 am

    Everything old is new again.

  • 29. Alan E.  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:20 am

    #4 is where they spin the tale and say what is really important is that he had both a mother and a father.

  • 30. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:20 am

    Oh… and Mary and Joseph weren't married when Mary conceived… so she got pregnant before marriage, then Jesus grew up with a stepfather.

  • 31. Abbe  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:20 am

    #4 – good one!

  • 32. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:21 am

    How fast would their heads spin if you put that on a sign?

  • 33. Anna Bryan  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:22 am

    I totally forgot that this was today and failed to tweet about it. I am clearly as interested in this marriage tour as 99.99% of Americans.

    BTW: Who gets to keep that fabulous NOMmobile with the stock images of fake families when this is all over?. Are they donating it directly to the Smithsonian as a relic of our homo-segregationist past?

  • 34. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:22 am

    I surely hope you are wrong…I would so miss the portly santa clause!

  • 35. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:23 am

    Wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot Mary!

  • 36. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:24 am

    Wonder if it is because we have a wider variety of colors in our wardrobe? After all, they see everything as black and white and we see the full spectrum of colors.

  • 37. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:25 am

    Don't forget brown Richard…it seems to be the only suit color one of them can wear.

  • 38. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:26 am

    OOh yes! It is time for spankings!

  • 39. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:28 am

    At one point I thought that the production company who is producing "OneMan, OneWoman, One Busdriver" should buy it, probably on the cheap, for filming the movie.


  • 40. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:29 am

    Seems that there's an easy fix for this [irreparable damage] problem. Obviously, one of them is going to have to wed a same-sex spouse. To save the country from gay marriage, Maggie Gallagher is gonna have to gay marry Phyllis Schlafly or something. There's just no way around it.

  • 41. bb  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:32 am

    And don't forget, Jesus had two fathers…

  • 42. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:32 am

    But the reality is that it is probably leased from some bus company, who will take it back, strip the plastic coat with the pictures off of it, put some other graphics on it, and rent it to the next rock tour or on the road cooking show that wants it.

    Those graphics are wapped together on a computer in an afternoon, printed on a huge plastic bus shaped cut out, and basically shrinky dinked onto the bus.

  • 43. bb  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:33 am

    I think Louis should get it??? Shall we take a poll?

  • 44. Bolt  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:33 am

    Awesome, LLB.

  • 45. Alan E.  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:33 am

    The president of AFA, Tim Wildmon, just emailed a link to his opinion piece in the LA Times. Read it if you dare, but Tim thinks that race is only about skin color, and the piece is basically "Walker is gay, and there is speculative proof that he is, therefore he should have recused himself. I have no evidence that can be presented to actually refute the facts, but please ignore that."

  • 46. Alan E.  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:35 am

    n his ruling, Walker wrote: "The evidence shows conclusively that moral and religious views form the only basis for a belief that same-sex couples are different from opposite-sex couples."

    This is clearly a judge imposing his personal opinions. What Walker is saying is that you cannot hold a valid view about marriage if you base it on religion or morality. Those are illegitimate considerations in his worldview.

    So please give me a secular reason for those opinions, then, and follow that up with evidence that is not from a religious think tank.

  • 47. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:35 am

    Brian knows that they are fighting a losing battle. He knows that without a constitutional amendment, there is no way for NOM to continue holding on to their moral superiority complex, and yet, he does not seem to realize how long it would take for a constitutional amendment, nor does he seem to realize that another constitutional amendment could some right on the heels of the one NOM wants and repeal that amendment, or even preempt that amendment if it moves through the process faster. Brian is so delusional and out of touch with reality that he absolutely can not conceive of a constitutional amendment that would guarantee us full equality in all areas including but not limited to marriage.

  • 48. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:36 am

    Reading through all these comments has gotten me to smile quite a few times today.

    *throws her arms around the P8TT regulars*

    Y'all are awesome!

  • 49. rf  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:39 am

    Partridge Family revival.

  • 50. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:39 am

    I absolutely love your use of "shrinky-dinked" as a verb. Brilliant!

  • 51. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:40 am

    … and then they can go to Texas and not be able to get divorced since they won't "really" be married in the first place.

    Ouch. I think I just gave myself a brain cramp.

  • 52. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:43 am

    True fact: there are a few same-sex couples legally married in Texas, because one of them was born a different sex. Texas only legally recognizes your sex at birth.

  • 53. bb  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:44 am

    Jesus was the son of God the Father, and the son of Joseph, so he had two dads.

    Man, if only I had a poster of that!!

  • 54. fiona64  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:44 am

    You know they're starting to admit defeat when Louis (Hi, Louis!) wishes for any gay and lesbian couples who get married in CA once the stay is lifted to be happy.

    I had to give him credit where it was due, because that was a gracious thing to say.


  • 55. fiona64  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:46 am

    Hello world, it's the song that we're singin'
    C'mon, get happy!


  • 56. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:46 am

  • 57. fiona64  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:46 am

    Wow. I guess that Tim has never heard of people who used to "pass" during the Civil War and Reconstruction, so that they could get North.


  • 58. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:48 am

    @ nightshayde: wrt #3, I also have to wonder if it would truly be a one man, one woman marriage when the deity involved is gender neutral. We refer to HaShem with a masculine pronoun, yet in the Torah, as well as in the poetic writings and other writings of what the Christians call the Old Testament, there are many references to HaShem's feminine characteristics also. How does NOM explain THAT ONE?

  • 59. Josiah  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:50 am

    And then — the oral sex!

  • 60. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:52 am

    Fiona, I actually think that they are starting to write that, and say things of that nature, while they gear up for the next round of trial (wherever that may be.) That way they can say, "see this is what our people wrote…blah blah — and, this is what those nasty gays wrote in their blogs about us…blah sploden heads blah.

    Like everything they spin, taking what bits and pieces they can splice together to make their case – thinking no one else is smart enough to notice or figure it out.

    In all I think their feeling of superiority is shining through most through their tour and this trial.

  • 61. Sagesse  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:52 am

    Pursuing a constitutional amendment would give them funding for the next twenty years. See, BB's not so dumb… well…. uhmmm.

  • 62. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:54 am

    By ignoring it, just as they ignore the portions of Leviticus that they would find inconvenient.

  • 63. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:56 am

    He might call them "thieves" for taking slave-owners' property without their permission.

  • 64. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:56 am

    This is true, LLB. Must be his HItler Fetish.

  • 65. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:58 am

    When the day comes that I wake up and the Earth is flat with "four corners" I will buy NOMs words from their 'bible'.

  • 66. Tim in Sonoma  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:59 am

    So the Prop 8 backers have been complaining that the will of the people (voters) has been trampled by an activist judge. They fail to understand that the constitution is a tool to protect ALL voters and it did that in this case. Judge Walker made his decision based on the constitution.Am I wrong?
    And they don't like that.
    That SAME constitution protects their right " freedom of religion" Something that is a choice (to believe in one or not).
    But they are upset that the constitution is protecting my rights as a gay man. Which is not a choice! Good God Man!
    Amending the constitution on this matter is nearly impossible if not completely impossible. Brian Brown suit is grabbing at any possible string at this point because even he realises it's almost a done deal. As another poster said in another post "the train has left the station" !
    He is doing nothing but blowing (brown) smoke out his A**

  • 67. Dave in ME  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:00 am

    I see that the hardcore Catholic American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property was there.

    They are the ones that wear red sashes-quite snazzy. There were out at Bangor Home Depot last year with their "Honk if you support traditional marriage" signs. I mean, really! Home Depot?

    Check them out:


  • 68. rf  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:03 am

    They dont fail to understand. They completely understand. But as long as 20-50% of the population is ignorant and/or lacks empathy, they've got a cash cow to milk.

  • 69. Josiah  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:04 am

    @Nightshayde: I can't embed video, but this should put a smile on everybody's face.

  • 70. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:05 am

    Here you go Josiah

  • 71. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:05 am

  • 72. bb  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:06 am

    I can't wait to see NOM in DC. Something tells me that there going to be shocked! It wouldn't shock me to learn that NOM either cancels DC all together, or, have their rally in Rev. Harrison's church in Maryland. What would be the odds?

    Anyone care to make a wager?

    I only wished NOM would have planned a road trip to California. I can tell you, I'd take time off of work just to be at all of the rallies!

  • 73. Tim in Sonoma  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:06 am

    Dave they must have forgotten that gay's are always improving their property! LOL!

  • 74. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:07 am

    I believe they were protesting Home Depot because Home Depot sponsored/had a presence at some PRIDE events (and had the gall to had activities for children!!!).

    I e-mailed Home Depot (using AFA's pre-written letter only with a number of strategic tweaks) and thanked them for supporting GLBT people & their families.

  • 75. Josiah  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:09 am

    Thanks, LLB!

    (Why is it that when I copy-and-paste the embed code from YouTube it doesn't work here? What am I doing wrong?)

  • 76. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:11 am

    Josiah, don't use the embed code. Copy the URL http://blah and then just paste it here.

  • 77. Steve  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:15 am

    It should say "legally valid". Which is the absolutely truth. Religion has no place in politics and law.

  • 78. Sagesse  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:17 am

    The words and music for The Wheels on the Bus, one of the truly most awful children's songs ever written cause the kids love it, and it drives the parent nuts.

  • 79. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:21 am

    OT: Personally I think the more people that are OUT, the more we stand united. I know and realize not everyone has the options of being OUT publicly…

    Stephanie Miller Joins Hot Lesbian List

    Stephanie Miller, liberal pundit and radio host of the Stephanie Miller Show, had a surprise statement for her fans this morning: "I am a gay woman." While Miller had been out to her friends, family, and co-workers for years, she's remained in the closet professionally.

  • 80. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:22 am

    Actually, with those red and black uniforms, they look like the band from my old high school. And the school nickname is the Red Dreagons. Wonder what kind of fire these folks are belching.

  • 81. Breaking the Silence  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:22 am

    Oh yes, Dave. Home Depot is quite the "activist hardware store"! 😉

  • 82. Brittney  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:23 am

    That's just it. Simple…

  • 83. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:26 am

    @ Josiah @ LLB: Thanks, guys. I have loved this song ever since we did a Muppet Movie Medley when I was in the High School Chorus. Now I will have to find the DVD and bring it home to watch.

  • 84. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:28 am

    While this chatter about a Constitutional amendment isn't new, it does seem to be more apparent than it has been in the past. I agree that it's a shift from 'we'll absolutely win w/ the Supreme Court' to 'we might lose w/ the Supreme Court.'

  • 85. Brittney  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:29 am

    NOMbies: "ew we think gay people are icky, so that means they shouldn't be allowed to be happy!" "And because Jebus says so!"
    That's their argument. At least, that's my interpretation of it ^_^

  • 86. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:32 am

    I like the way you think, sir!

  • 87. fiona64  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:33 am

    There is a worse one …

    Our family acquaintance, a brilliant Irish folk musician named Seamus Kennedy, as this piece on his kid's album and recommends that they sing it on long car trips (he uses only the first verse, ad infinitum).

    The name of the album, FWIW, is "Seamus Kennedy Gets on Everybody's Nerves."


  • 88. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:38 am

    Did someone mention spankings? 😉

  • 89. AndrewPDX  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:40 am

    Oooo! A Partridge Family revival would be so awesome!!!!

  • 90. Straight Grandmother  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Thanks I was wondering who the dorks in the red sashes were.

  • 91. Sagesse  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Never exposed to that one, praise God in her wisdom.

  • 92. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:42 am

    Love the album name!

    A bit reminiscent of "An Evening (Wasted) with Tom Lehrer".

  • 93. Mandy  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:44 am

    poor joseph how can a person compare in bed after your woman is knocked up by god

  • 94. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:44 am

    Oh, No…I had the nice Kermit Rainbow song and was happy. Now I have the wheels on the bus running through my head…

  • 95. Mandy  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:45 am

    don't most christians think that god is a man therefore if priests marry God doesn't that make them homosexuals?

  • 96. Sagesse  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:46 am

    @Ann S

    Haven't thought of Tom Lehrer in years. 'New Math'.

    "It's so simple, so very simple, that only a child can do it."

  • 97. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:49 am

    Get in line, Kathleen!

  • 98. Sagesse  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:49 am

    Thought maybe Anonygrl could use it in her soundtrack.

  • 99. bb  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:51 am

    Who'd play the part of Susan Dey?

  • 100. Anonygrl  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:54 am

    This is a company that does this sort of thing. :)

    And thanks, I like shrinky dinked too. :)

  • 101. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:58 am

  • 102. Josiah  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:58 am

    Thanks, LLB — I'll try that next time.

  • 103. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:01 am

    I don't know who would play Laurie Partridge, but I want to play Reuben Kincaid.

  • 104. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:06 am

    Thanks, Anonygrl. I'll have to see if they can dress Sulu up, or if they only do buses. But surely there is someone who can dress up a Suzuki SX4 Crossover.

  • 105. AndrewPDX  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:08 am

    <cite>If moral and religious values are no longer valid, what does the judge put in their place?</cite>
    oh, I dont know… Maybe evidence?

  • 106. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:09 am

    If I cut my hair I might be able to play Shirley.

    I want to know who is going to play Danny and Keith.

  • 107. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:15 am

    UPDATE: The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals filed the following order. I'll upload the document in a minute, but this is all it says:

    Appellants’ motion to exceed page limitations is granted and the motion for stay pending appeal is deemed filed. Appellees’ response to the motion for stay pending appeal, not to exceed 35 pages, is due by 11:00 p.m. Pacific Time on August 13, 2010. Appellants reply, not to exceed 15 pages, is due by 9:00 a.m. Pacific Time on August 16, 2010.

  • 108. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:23 am

    Here's the link to the doc:

  • 109. AndrewPDX  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:26 am

    Hmmm… Maybe someone could scroll up to the Partridge Family references (what to do the the NOMBus) and add a link to their theme song… That should help get LLB out from under the wheels of the bus :)

  • 110. Andrew_WA  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Appealee? Appellant? Appolooooza?

    What does this mean? Are they really considering supporting the stay?

    Sounds to me like they will based on the arguments….

  • 111. E from Sarasota  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Fabulously funny clip!

  • 112. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:36 am

    There is no indication in this order about how they will rule on the stay, only that they are requesting additional filings from both parties and those are all due by 9am Monday.

    Appellant = party initiating the appeal (here, Proponents)
    Appellee = party responding to the appeal (here, Plaintiffs)

    Write it down – all the court documents are going to use these words a LOT. :)

  • 113. E from Sarasota  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Now, now Brian. It isn't really that bad. Don't cry so hard, you might burst a blood vessel in your brain.

  • 114. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:41 am

    @ Kathleen: Let's not forget about Tracy and Chris. And who can bring their big shaggy dog?

  • 115. Alan E.  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:48 am

    I just wrote it on a sticky note and put it on my computer.

    Speaking of sticky notes, I am trying to find a sticky note that I saw an ad for last weekend, but I can't remember the name. The ad showed a guy with a bunch of sticky notes on a wall. His wife put a note on the wall that had sticky stuff on the whole thing, then she took a leaf blower and blew off all of the notes. Long story, short, I want these for work, but I can't find the name of them anywhere. Please help!

  • 116. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:05 am

    I used to listen to her every day when I was lifeguarding at a local lake. She's awesome! Unfortunately, the radio stations here have shuffled a lot & I'm no longer sure where to find her show.

  • 117. Dave P.  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Here's a mashup of "The Wheels on the Bus" used as the score to the climactic escape scene from "Dawn of the Dead". I imagine that Brian, Maggie and Louis might feel like this as they drive passed our folks as they leave another disasterous #FAIL event .

    Caution – gory!

  • 118. Dave P.  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:09 am

    DOH! No video. Try again:

  • 119. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Thanks for the idea. It's now on a (purple) sticky note on my computer, too.

  • 120. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Now I want someone to approach me with the promise to amend the constitution — just so I can laugh (since Rachel says it's ok, and all).

    I heart Rachel Maddow!

  • 121. nightshayde  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Thank you, Josiah & LLB. I absolutely LOVE that scene/song. I cry every time I watch it.

    "It's Not Easy Being Green" gets me every time, too.

  • 122. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Now, E, you're being too kind. One must first have a brain in order to burst a blood vessel therein.

  • 123. Breaking the Silence  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Yes, huge point! Religion/gods/holy books are not the wellspring of ethical/moral thought, without which such knowledge could not exist/be properly conceived.

  • 124. Breaking the Silence  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Sorry, misread that point. Correct as it is.

  • 125. Dave P.  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:39 am

    We seem to have veered pretty far off the topic of today's stop on the tour, so I just wanted to give a shout-out to the good folks who attended the event. The pictures are great, and thanks to all who showed support!

  • 126. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 8:51 am


    All the world seems in tune
    On a spring afternoon,
    When we're poisoning pigeons in the park.
    Ev'ry Sunday you'll see
    My sweetheart and me,
    As we poison the pigeons in the park.

  • 127. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Alan E, is it the Post-it Super Sticky Notes? I can't find the actual commercial you're referring to, but I've seen others in this ad campaign.

  • 128. Alan E.  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:09 am

    No those aren't they. The notes I am talking about have sticky stuff on the entire backside of the note, not just at the top.

  • 129. Don in Texas  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Most people simply do not understand that amendments to the Constitution must limit and define the government, not the rights of the people.

    If by some incredibly unjustified amendment that enshrined DOMA's definition of marriage as between a man and woman were to actually pass, then the Supreme Court would be compelled to decide whether this new amendment or the 14th amendment's barrier against denial of fundamental rights.

    Brian's proposed amendment necessarily would apply to the states and the entities which decide what constitutes marriage.

    As Ann S. says, "fat chance."

  • 130. Bob  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:13 am

    @Kathleen, wow, I'm trying to guess if that's the first time you've referred to us as Rainbow folks, and even went on to define the term.

    Can't believe the forward movement I'm seeing all the way up north here in Canada,,,,,

    Cool thing about Rainbow People, is we're all inclusive like you say, and it get's away from the sex thing.

    On a final note and a big WIN I have been able to read very insightful articles about the whole issue, very well articulated, about the issuesof standing etc. in my local papers like Globe and Mail, , finally main line news.

    My favorite picture was the two flags at full mast, stars and stripes and the Rainbow flag. that picture says a lot.

  • 131. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:14 am

    It's not completely unprecedented for an amendment to limit rights. There was Prohibition. We all know how well that worked out.

  • 132. Don in Texas  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:25 am

    You actually quoted a Letter to the Editor in today's El Paso Times about an "activist judge…nullifying the voters' decision that a man and a woman constitute a marriage."

  • 133. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:33 am

    @ Nightshayde: I always felt so sorry for Kermit. After all, it is a very difficult life when you have absolutely no way to avoid contact with your stalker. And Miss Piggy never did seem to learn that "Kermie" wasn't interested in her.

  • 134. mackenzie  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:51 am

    I can't wait for Sunday and d.c.!!

  • 135. JonT  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:55 am

    We can haz rainbow? (subbing)

  • 136. DebbieC  |  August 13, 2010 at 10:35 am

    Alan – they are by Avery

  • 137. Alan E.  |  August 13, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Thanks DebbieC. I'll check it out later. I had a 15 minute conversation with a coworker analyzing the ad and where we saw it, but neither of us could think of the name of the company. I argued that it wasn't 3M because of the nature of the ad

  • 138. Greg in Oz  |  August 13, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I agree – esp loving all the old movie sketches/python routines that start from one liners and then gets picked up.

    I've had some real good laughs today. Only bummer is that I would have loved to jump into them all – damn time difference (…shakes fist in air, exits – stage right and goes to look up some old Goon show references…)

    What a brilliant online community you guys have built up.

    It's a joy to witness :-)

    Greg in Oz

  • 139. Jennifer Tidd  |  August 13, 2010 at 11:47 am

    good evening all, I am pictured above, drove to this rally from northern Virginia, because I worried there wouldn't be enough equality people. I know as a straight suburban housefrau, mother of 4, I am a bit of an outsider here, but something occurred to me as I drove up to this rally. Those men, the NOM supporters all standing there, with their goofy faces and signs and god-awful sashes. Okay, I am married to a straight man and have four sons. What straight man on Earth dons a lovely gathered red sash and holds up a sign, "honk if you believe in marriage?" These are closet cases who wanted to marry so they could stop having sex with women. It's the ONLY explanation!

  • 140. Chrys  |  August 13, 2010 at 11:52 am

    You know, we had a lot of fun, actually. I was delighted to be there, and meet people, and enjoy the day, honestly. I think we had far more fun than the NOM folks did, anyway!

  • 141. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Wow Jennifer. Thanks

    Four sons!!! You have your hands full. Welcome to the community.

  • 142. Rose Swinton  |  August 13, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I love the photos and signs. "Their love lifts my kids, your hate harms them." Beautiful.

  • 143. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Jennifer, if you support marriage equality, and believe in the proper application of the Constitution, then you are not an outsider, you are family. Welcome! Lovely to hear that you drove all the way to Harrisburg today. Thank you so much! Will you also be going to DC on Sunday?

  • 144. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    OMG! He not only looks like Brian, he sounds like Brian! ROTFLMFGJAO!

  • 145. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    @Jennifer: I just went back to the main post to look at the pictures again. Way to go! I hope you and your family have many, many decades of happiness!

  • 146. AndrewPDX  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Yay! finally home and can now 'scribe :)

  • 147. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Greg, your Goon Show reference reminded me – last time I was in London, I picked up a vinyl recording of "Beyond The Fringe" on Parlophone, like the first one shown here:

    I LOVE these '60s British comedy groups.

  • 148. AndrewPDX  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    W00t! Thank you for supporting equality! Our Straight Allies are what keep my spirits up throughout this ordeal.

    So, welcome, pull up a chair and settle in :)

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 149. Greg in Oz  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Ive got one of those minds that just laps up routines and sketches (comes from being an old thesbian :-)).

    And the old BBC radio comedy shows from the 50's and 60's were part of my growing up (they were made well and truly before my time, but they were often repeated on radio when I was growing up).

    As for python – well that very my generation. I reckon I could just about do the whole movie of 'MP & the Holy Grail" by heart :-)!!!! (thats not showing off – just showing a sick sense of humour)

    Thanks for the laughs today Katherine (and as I've said before – all the work that you do translating the 'legalspeak' – be lost without you and Ann S et al)

    Lots o' love

    Greg in Oz

  • 150. Jennifer Tidd  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    I live in the DC area and will be there with bells on my friends! I adore my gay friends and family and the wrong of discrimination against my loved ones enrages me. I canvassed here in Virginia in 2006 against the gay marriage ban for several months. We lost sadly and in our state, have one of the most unconstitutional utterly inhumane bans on gay people of all the states. Honestly, I wept when we lost and what angered me most, were the Democrats who voted for the ban. I expect right wingers to be sanctimonious twits, but expect more from the left.

    I have followed the Prop 8 trial closely, hoping that once Walker's verdict is uphold by SCOTUS we can remove the yoke of oppression under which Virginia LGBT are held finally. Thank you for welcoming me and I consider it an honor.

    All families matter, and the other sign said:
    My family is strengthened by their families, my love is deeper when their love surrounds us. Give them what they want, because it's what WE all need to be better spouses, parents, and families.

    Peace be with all and hopefully too, equality for you someday. Until then, I will march with you and fight for you always. If love isn't worth fighting for, then what is?

  • 151. AndrewPDX  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    <cite>If love isn’t worth fighting for, then what is?</cite>

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 152. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    "Peace be with all and hopefully too, equality for you someday. Until then, I will march with you and fight for you always. If love isn’t worth fighting for, then what is?"

    So very true Jennifer.

    You are the heart that makes the difference!

  • 153. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Jennifer, WELCOME. As everyone has said, if you support equality and justice, you'll be right at home here. Lots of straight allies here who are active and frequent participants in our lively conversations. Hope you stick around. (though I imagine four sons keep you busy). :)

  • 154. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 13, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    thank you so much, Jennifer. And the first sign you quoted is one that I have on my car. I have a round rainbow striped sticker that reads ALL FAMILIES MATTER. Your story has just given all of us here one more reason to remain strong, knowing that we have yet another supporter in the family. If you are on FB, look us up. There is a group on FB called Prop 8 Trial Trackers. You will find us there. Just mention that you are from here. Looking forward to it. May even ask for your assistance with camera work when BZ and I make our trips to DC for our marriage. First one to line everything up and apply for the license, the second to use the license.

  • 155. Ahab  |  August 13, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    I'm pleased that the counter-rally in Harrisburg today was vibrant and passionate about LGBT rights. The people present took a stand against NOM and reminded them that moral citizens will not be silent in the face of intolerance.

    I posted my account of the event here:

  • 156. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  August 13, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    SFGATE: Brown urges appellate court to allow marriages
    (08-13) 18:58 PDT SAN FRANCISCO — State Attorney General Jerry Brown filed documents late Friday urging a federal appellate court to allow same-sex marriages to go forward in California on Wednesday, saying there was "overwhelming evidence" that a voter-approved ban on such marriages is unconstitutional.

    Read more:

    Go Jerry!

  • 157. Ann S.  |  August 13, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Well said, Jennifer.

  • 158. Box Turtle Bulletin &raqu&hellip  |  August 13, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    […] and – for the first time in a long time – outnumbered the counter-protesters. The Tour Tracker is reporting that NOM’s supporters numbered about 75 as compared the 53 […]

  • 159. Jennifer Tidd  |  August 13, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    already a member of that page on FB. I am Jennifer Equality Litton Tidd on FB if interested in sending a friend request. I have many LGBT activists friends now on FB and in fact, a couple coming in from California tomorrow, to march with my family. Please, if there in DC, and you see me with my baby, come give me a hug! I love hugs!

  • 160. Kathleen  |  August 13, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    I'm the "Kathleen" who posts the court filings on the FB page. I'll send you a friend request.

  • 161. JonT  |  August 13, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    'I know as a straight suburban housefrau, mother of 4, I am a bit of an outsider here,…'

    Oh no you're not, the fact you support equality makes you an insider here :)

    Thanks for being there. Wish they were coming to Denver, but alas…

  • 162. Sheryl  |  August 13, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Love your reasoning.

  • 163. Sheryl  |  August 13, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Welcome Jennifer. Glad you are posting.

    Sheryl, Mormon mother with a wonderful son who just happens to be gay.

  • 164. Tim in Sonoma  |  August 13, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Jennifer and Sheryl we could not do this without the two of you and thousands like you! Thank you SO much!! In solidarity always! Tim…

  • 165. Jennifer Tidd  |  August 13, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Sheryl, oh my gosh, I cannot imagine the pain and rage I would feel if my religion rejected one of my children. I am a lifelong Catholic, whose children are baptized in the church too. The last time I attended mass however, was the Sunday after Maine decided to revoke the right to marry by a popular vote from it;s LGBT citizens. I phonbanked many hours from here in Virginia against it. That Sunday, in mass, one of the responsorial prayers was, "for the moral victory this week in Maine for the institution of marriage." to which we are then supposed to respond, "Lord hear our prayer." I responded by packing up my diaper bag, picking up my baby, and taking my then 3 year old by the hand and walking out. I was already teetering, because that was just after Catholic Charities in DC stated they'd stop services to the poor if gay marriage passed in the district. I thought," what would make Jesus stop administering to the poor?" The answer of course, is nothing would.

    My Savior has been usurped by hateful people in many religions, thus, I am forced to worship him in my heart and away from church now. I still consider myself Catholic, and when someone asks me if I left the church, I say, "no, but the church has left me." My mother told me just a couple days ago, that it's not right to "turn my back on Jesus." I told her I haven't turned my back on Jesus, nor will I ever. I have turned my back on religion, dogma, and a perverse version of Christianity, in favor of light, love, and the true message of Jesus. My Savior would want everyone he created at his table, and would want all included. The shepherd went out after one lost lamb. As a mother of four sons, I am aware on some level, of the love of God for those he created, and I know no matter what we do or say, his arms are open wide to us and he expects us, his followers, to do the same to all people. I have no guilt and no regrets.

    I will not return to Catholic church until they not only stop funding NOM, but until they repudiate that action entirely. That may not be in my lifetime, but save weddings and funerals, I am done. I called my parish priest and informed him about a month ago to remove us from the parish list and to send us all their paperwork on our children. I told him why and also wrote to the head of the Arlington Diocese under which our parish is governed and told him that the 50K that just went to NOM, a hate group, from our diocese, was unacceptable to me and shows the diocese is making financial decisions adverse to scripture. Some from the office tried to explain why they felt protecting marriage was a good use of diocean funds, and I told him to save it, that nothing he could say would excuse funding bigotry when there are tens of thousands living in poverty right here in the DC area.

    Two of my four children are autistic, and my state and my health insurance company reject them and think they are less worthy of having their therapies funded than typical children. That is what I have been an activist for for over 15 years now is educational and health reform for autistic people. It's a great wrong in society when the majority decides to dismiss or even toss away on the dungheap of humanity those who are born different from the rest of us. In stead of celebrating the diversity, they fear and discriminate and see only flaws and excuses. Your son is not a mistake anymore than my sons are flawed. What is disabled or flawed, is the society, who expects everyone to act precisely the same or suffer at the hands of the mob with their pitchforks, ignorance and fear. They have the right to be ignorant and the right to fear even, but get near our children with that pitchfork, and Mamma is going to tear the flesh off your bones and feed it to the the wolves. I show my faith in my God by loving all humanity equally and not judging one kind of person are being more worthy of kindness and respect than another. My non-verbal 4 year old cannot speak up for himself and very likely, may never be able to speak for himself. He is not lesser, only different. Those of us, who are in the majority must make it our moral imperative to speak up for ALL minorities, or our society will be taken over by hateful small people. It's why I have worked for LGBT rights. You might think it doesn't actually harm me directly, or my own family, but when one person is diminished, we're all diminished. When your son's love is discredited as sick or abnormal, my son's need for medical care becomes easier also, to dismiss because he too is seen as lesser or "abnormal." So, we're all connected and it all matters. I do appreciate the thank yous and I embrace you all and thank you too. We're all in this thing together and only together and with love, can we fight against people who fear our children simply because they are different. Sheryl, a year ago, my son was in an extreme medical situation and the nurse knew he is low-functioning autistic. She actually asked me if I wanted her to list him as a DNR. (do not resucsitate) and I asked her why on Earth would you do that with an otherwise healthy 3 year old? She answered nervously, "well, you know, because of his other condition…" I didn't try to explain or argue with her, just realized she was a tiny ignorant human being, not worth another moment of my time.

    Life is precious and love is sweet. I wish my 4 year old was capable of finding any love someday, who could care for him when his parents are gone. As I said before, who is anyone else to judge someone else's love and why not support all love in this banged up angry world in which we live? All love matters, all families matter. I'm sorry for rambling on and on here early this morning, but I laid awake much of the night, thinking all these thoughts, after my experience in Harrisburg yesterday, seeing NOM and it's entrouage and listening to all their ignorant hateful rhetoric and realized they are terribly powerful actually and that scares me to the core of my being, that their hate is so powerful over so many. They think they have God on their side too, which is scarier. My mother has always said, "God is love, and where there is love, there is God." I'll tell you what, in Harrisburg Pennsylvania yesterday, God wasn't on the Captiol steps, with NOM and the haters, but he was across the street, with all the heretics, heathens, and love warriors, fighting for love. I know that for a fact and it comforts me.

    Peace to all.

  • 166. Audrey GetEQUAL Smit  |  August 14, 2010 at 12:02 am

    Thank you, Dave P. I don't think any of us LGBTQA folks were bored. We were singing, chanting, making new friends, eating rainbow Twizzlers… :)

  • 167. Audrey GetEQUAL Smit  |  August 14, 2010 at 12:16 am

    Ahab, my daughter was holding your favorite sign, I am the first one who spoke and am one of the co-founders of Justice League – Activate! THANK YOU for being there yesterday!!! 😀

  • 168. Anna Bryan  |  August 14, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Jennifer- you are AMAZING! with everything you have going on in your life, you still manage to devote time and energy to fight for others. We are lucky to have you on the side of love!

  • 169. Sagesse  |  August 14, 2010 at 12:28 am

    There are rainbow twizzlers?! How can the Rainbow Tribe lose?

  • 170. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 14, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Jennifer, what you see as rambling is far from it. What you have written here is a beautiful treatise on the power of love and the power of activism. And you base it all with a true and proper understanding of the message of HaShem, which is a message of love. You are one of those who actually gets it. You, Sheryl, fiona, and all of our other allies who tell us of their faith and why it moves you to support us, are the ones who will help us change the hearts and minds that can be reached–the ones who want to do the right thing, but have heard so much twisting of the message by those who only want to hold on to the power they think they have. Thank you for being here and being part of the family. And you may not know it, but I have also advocated for autistic children, along with children who have other challenges that too often are seen as "less than" by those who do not take the time to get to know these children. I think the reason these children are called "special needs" children is not because of their needs, but because they are so very special due to the fact that they do NOT have it in their natures to hate, but only to love. While I know that you face challenges that many other parents can only imagine, you are so blessed. And you in turn are a true blessing to your children and to all who know you. Mazel Tov!

  • 171. Audrey GetEQUAL Smit  |  August 14, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Justice League – Activate! planned this counter-protest, despite Equality Pennsylvania actively and loudly discouraging everyone from counter-protesting in Harrisburg. We want to thank everyone who came out ANYWAY! :)

    ESPECIALLY those who came from 5 or 6 hours away — you ppl ROCK!

    (And, by the way, Justice League – Activate! created four "Testimony: Equality on Trial" videos for the launch, which are under the name AudreyS)

  • 172. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 14, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Hi, Audrey! thanks for being there in Harrisburg. As I promised you in my responses to the Justice League–Activate! notices I got on FB, my husband and I were in Raleigh. Glad to hear that you were able to make some vids for Testimony!

  • 173. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 14, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Sagesse, there are even rainbow crazy straw sets, rainbow bears holding heart shaped pillows that read "World's best Mom" or "World's best Dad", rainbow towel sets, rainbow washcloth sets–even rainbow dorm accesories. So you are correct: How can we lose?
    We can only lose if we give up, and I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.

  • 174. Ahab  |  August 14, 2010 at 1:09 am

    Jennifer — that was beautiful I can't begin to imagine the heartbreak you must be feeling as the Catholic Church promotes bigotry and falsehood. I respect you for honoring your faith and your God by stepping away from that institution and supporting the rights of others. Here's to justice for all people!

  • 175. Ahab  |  August 14, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Thank YOU for helping bring the protest together and standing up for what's right! :)

  • 176. Susan R Barnes  |  August 14, 2010 at 2:44 am


    Wow! I want and need people like you in my life. You inspire me to speak up more forcefully against hate. Thank you so much for your post.

  • 177. AndrewPDX  |  August 14, 2010 at 3:01 am

    Thank you! That was a wonderful essay. As soon as I've wiped off all the tears, I'd like to save your post and share it with some friends — if that's all right with you.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 178. Audrey GetEQUAL Smit  |  August 14, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Tradition, Family, and Property…to almost quote Karen Blixen in the movie version of Out of Africa, "Is that one category or three?"

    [in the movie the British govt is evacuating "women and children" and she asks if it is one category or two]

  • 179. Jennifer Tidd  |  August 14, 2010 at 6:33 am

    okay, well, I had come back to remove my loooooong post, thinking I probably looked like a mad woman, typing up war and peace on a message board early this morning. Seeing the bus in person yesterday was like being socked hard in the stomach. Hatred is tangible and on wheels and gathering supporters, and that hurts me.

    Share if you like. I would be honored.

    Richard, thank you for helping autistic children. Yes, they are beautiful people. Yes, we do have challenges that perhaps other don't have, but we also reach heights when they achieve others may not feel, so it's a wash. My oldest autistic son is on his way to college this fall to study fine art. he started drawing to communicate, and now it is his life. He had sold his work professionally and has received national honors for his painting and portfolio. What was seen as "disability" by society, I saw always, as "diffability," as I like to say. He was never less, only different. I see the same with LGBT people. You're simply different from me in one way. But, in many other ways, the ways that matter, we are very much alike. We all want to find love and to be loved and everything else is pretty much secondary.

    okay, no more rambling epistles…Thank YOU all for the lovely comments. You actually made my day, and this has been a tough day for me thus far. peace.

  • 180. Ann S.  |  August 14, 2010 at 7:09 am

    Jennifer, your earlier post was very powerful and moving. You are a fierce advocate for the rights of all people, and that is very powerful.

    If you are a mad woman, then so am I. But I think we here are pretty sane.

  • 181. Carpool Kathleen  |  August 14, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    I get so creeped-out when I see the Prop H8 people rallying with signs, etc. I can understand someone having a personal, quiet, bad reaction to marriage equality, for whatever reason…..a reason they themselves might never understand. But to give up your day and drag your kids to a RALLY about it?? To make a sign?? To actually stand in front of gays and lesbians and their supporters with signs demeaning them?? Whose idea of a nice afternoon is THAT???? It's horrifying to me, and very sad. I wish these people had a life that wasn't focused on hating others.

  • 182. Ahab  |  August 15, 2010 at 1:24 am

    Carpool Kathleen — It sickens me too when religious zealots (be they anti-gay, anti-abortion, etc.) force their own children to participate in hateful protests. They probably think they're doing the children a favor by teaching them "THE TRUTH", but it likely traumatizes some of those children down the road.

    Haters. Ugh.

  • 183. Steve  |  August 15, 2010 at 1:42 am

    "God's Marriage = 1 Man 1 Woman"
    That would actually be relevant if "God" was handing out marriage licenses. Since he is not, your message is pointless.. Not a total waste of material though- paint it white and you'll have a fresh canvas to make a new sign, maybe an anti-Islamic "No Mosque" or an anti-Mexican "Go Home" message for the rallies you'll no doubt be attending in the very near future.

  • 184. Tim in Sonoma  |  August 15, 2010 at 6:04 am

    Good point Steve! People like that are for sure full circle haters that won't leave anybody out. (they wouldn't want to discriminate) and would likely turn on their own children.What makes me feel a little better is that They too will be judged. They are not going to come out of this unscaved!

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    They’re very convincing and will definitely work.

    Still, the posts are too brief for newbies. May just you please extend them a little from
    next time? Thanks for the post.

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