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TheCall, er, TheScream: “Girl-on-girl kissing (and) lesbianism is a plague on our society”

TheCall Trial analysis Videos

By Eden James

If you’ve ever wondered what our coverage of the NOM summer rallies and TheCall have to do with the Prop 8 trial, all you have to do is listen to the audio of Cindy Jacobs on stage today, speaking (er, screaming) at TheCall Sacramento. (I uploaded an mp3 to YouTube that commenter “NG” emailed to me. We don’t have actual video yet, but if we’re able to locate it, we’ll post it later):

You might have to adjust your volume about halfway through — or else her screams of “girl-on-girl kissing (and) lesbianism is a plague on our society today” and “Madonna kissing Britney” might blow out your eardrums:

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One person can’t possibly watch every video of Cindy Jacobs on YouTube, but if P8TT community members would like to crowdsource this and subject yourselves to this torture in order to add links to the “greatest hits” in the comments, just click on this YouTube search for “Cindy Jacobs.”

139 Comments

  • 1. Paul in Minneapolis  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Cindy has authored six books…Deliver Us from Evil…

    Maybe someone should write Deliver Us from Cindy.

    While she and her friends are "repenting," I'll be making love to my husband. As far as I'm concerned, that is my (and Hubby's) "natural use."

    Honestly, where do they find people like this bimby?

  • 2. Kathleen  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:04 am

    subscribing

  • 3. Phil L  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:06 am

    A… prophet.

    Ugh!! How can people be SO EFFING STUPID?!

  • 4. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:08 am

    She certainly is a LOUSY speaker. Aside from evil, hateful, stupid ("Uh, one of you young women wanna repent for that? Lesbianism?" Seriously?) she is just hard to listen to for her lack of speaking skills.

    Of course, I listened to a bit of Lou Engle, and he isn't much better, actually.

  • 5. Steven  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:12 am

    They are not true Christians.. They are bigotry hateful christians. they are against what UNITED STATES stands for : Equality for all and Justice for all!

  • 6. paul  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Well gay brothers & sisters…this is what we're up against. Can you hear the tone…inciteful fear mongering and despair. Sorry, that doesn't sound like my life, my marriage, my intimate love-making…yes! SEX with my husband. It concerns me deeply when I see a maniac with a microphone…but I've got to keep telling myself and anyone else who will listen…do they sound crazy????
    The answer is always Yes, Yes, Yes. Thank You !

  • 7. Sagesse  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Is it a requirement to be a preacher that one must be unable to string together a coherent sentence…. or perhaps God is illiterate and is garbling his message?

  • 8. Joel  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Aw jeez, another person that G-d spoke to? Some kind mental health professional should inform Cindy that when one speaks to G-d it's called prayer, but when G-d speaks to one, it's called schizophrenia (had to type that one slow!)

  • 9. NetAmigo  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:19 am

    I guess literal interpretation of the Bible only applies to the gay minority.

    This is dedicated to all those who keep saying that God wants everyone to discriminate against and attack gay parents and their children. Let's take a look at what the Bible says on a few subjects.

    Women:
    In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair or gold, or pearls, or costly array. (I Timothy 2:9)

    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (I Timothy 2: 11, 12)

    For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (I Timothy 2: 13, 14)

    Slavery:
    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and with sincerity of heart just as you would obey Christ. (Eph. 6:5)

    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. (Leviticus 25:44-45)

  • 10. Ronnie  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:19 am

    "We decree that in the name of Jesus that men and women are going to be their natural use."

    Now that's a fascist statement if I ever heard one. How exactly does that non compos mentis harpy expect to go about this w/people like us (Gay to Straight, Black to White, Christian to Non-religious, Young to Old, etc, etc etc ) alive to fight back?…..hmmmm?….hmmmm?….that's what I thought…

    These anti-gay fundie people are out of their f@#king gourds & should be reported for promoting domestic terrorism, festering intolerance, violence & murder, & laying the tracks for a holy civil war. They don't want peace & love, they want a Fascist Theocracy where everyone is forced to live like them, read what they deem fit to read, act how they deem fit act, worship their "God" only……Well not this Mo, I tell yah….not now, not ever, nope…never gonna happen….I say who, I say when, I say where, I say how much…& I sometimes say why….but I never conform to what other people want me to be….I am an American Gaga damn it & I will not be changed, I will not be silenced, & I certainly will not go back in the closet just to make some anti-gay, heterosexual fundie "Christian" happy & more comfortable….HA!!!!…Take that fundies…I schooled you…FOOLS!!!…..<3…Ronnie

  • 11. Paul in Minneapolis  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Not to mention separation of church and state….

  • 12. Paul in Minneapolis  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Speaking in tongues, silly!

  • 13. Steven  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:23 am

    They only have fear mongering tactics and lies for the public. its not working anymore. However, in a Court of law they can't defend what they say in public. Court wants evidence not beliefs and what the bible says..

  • 14. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:26 am

    OMG! These people are sick sick sick.

  • 15. Ann S.  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Reminds me more of "The Scream" by Edvard Munch.

  • 16. NetAmigo  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Actually, I'm not aware of the Bible saying anything about two women kissing so where is Cindy Jacobs getting her nonsense. Maybe she should follow the Bible and be silent.

  • 17. Steve  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Like anyone will say "Yes, I repent" in such a crowd of hate-filled troglodytes.

  • 18. Bob  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:47 am

    "we are going to put a stop to this in our generation"

    question How?

    can someone ask them, how, in our generation, we will stop natural diversity?

    she's blaming the poor economy on my marriage, she's warning the youth of america that if they don't repent, and stop sexual diversity, they are to blame for economic problems.

    I'd love to see video footage, and an interview with those young women who followed her orders, and got on their knees to repent for the kiss. what are they thinking???

  • 19. Seraphiel  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:47 am

    we are going to put a stop to this in our generation

    I'd actually like to see you try that, you self-important twit.

    Cindy Jacobs is a respected prophet

    Which prophecies of hers have come true?

    Yeah, I thought so.

    Cindy Jacobs reports that on July 17, God spoke to her

    You can stop there. She's has admitted to hearing voices, a symptom of any number of dangerous psychological disorders.

    So there's this insane person (by her own admission) shrieking at a crowd that's been directed to fast, standing on their feet all day and listening to hypnotic chanting. What could possibly go wrong?

  • 20. AndrewPDX  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Are you sure it's not 'profit' instead of 'prophet'?

    Maybe they got the homonym messed up.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 21. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Oh! This is BRILLIANT!!!
    Don't you see? It's a win-win situation.

    She prophesizes that America is heading into another great depression (wow, news flash!); but…if the people of God fast and pray, etc. etc. then the crisis might be averted.

    Perfect! No matter what happens, her bases are covered.

    I wonder how long it took her to think that one up.

  • 22. Steve  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Romans 1 actually mentions lesbians. The only time in the Bible. The rest is all about gay men. Or rather conduct, as that's what it was mostly about back then.

    But it's important to consider the context. The author speaks about things that are common in the society where these early Christians live in. A society that's still heavily steeped in pagan traditions. With things like temple prostitution (which is what was probably one meaning of the word mistranslated as "homosexuals" in the 20th century). And he wants the Christians to isolate themselves from that. It's the same as with ancient Jews. All their religious rules and prohibitions were about separating themselves from the gentiles around them. That's exactly the meaning of the Hebrew word mistranslated as "abomination". A behavior that is common for non-Jews, but taboo for Jews.

  • 23. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Cindy Jacobs / Aimee Semple McPherson

    Nothing new here.

    (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Semple_McPhers

    In 1916, with her mother Mildred she made a tour of the southern United States in her "Gospel Car," a 1912 Packard touring car emblazoned with religious slogans. Standing in the back seat of the convertible she gave sermons over a megaphone. On the road between sermons, she sat in the back seat typing sermons and other religious materials. By 1917 she had started her own magazine, The Bridal Call, for which she wrote many articles about women’s roles in religion and the link she saw between Christians and Jesus as a marriage bond. The magazine contributed to the rising women’s movement, which McPherson may not have foreseen.

    …McPherson sought to eradicate modernism and secularism in homes, churches, schools and communities and developed a strong following in the Foursquare Gospel by blending contemporary culture with religious teachings.

    Los Angeles had become a popular vacation spot and instead of touring the United States to preach her sermons, she stayed in Los Angeles, drawing audiences from a population which had soared from 100,000 in 1900 to 575,000 people in 1920 and by 1940, 1.5 million.

  • 24. Dpeck  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:57 am

    ….. So…. basically they are saying that homosexuality must stop existing.

    They are saying… no, proclaiming and DEMANDING… that gay people stop being gay people….

    …. and if gay people won't cooperate with this order and stop being gay people, what is the implication about what they intend to do about that, to fulfill their demand that homosexuality stop existing?

    Their demand is tantamount to saying gays must die.

    This is undiluted hateful bigotry.

  • 25. Steve  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Remember that it's a choice for them. If people just prayed and accepted Jesus, they could choose to be gay and live "normal" lives.

  • 26. GreenEyedLilo  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    "Babydoll, ya wanna go upstairs and be a plague on society with me…?"

    Seriously, the hatred is palpable. I remember they used to ignore what girls could do with each other when I attended a Christian youth group; I don't think I like it any better that they sort of understand now. I agree with Steve; I don't think any young woman with a central nervous system would "repent" there, no matter what she did with her roommate in the hotel room just the night before. I hope any same-sex-attracted young people there are intelligent enough to see just how hated they are, and brave enough to seek alternatives and find the love they deserve.

  • 27. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Think. There, you see, is the problem. I am not entirely sure she is capable of it.

  • 28. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Ronnie!!!

    How have you been; the comments are far too bland without you! :)

  • 29. Steve  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    I mean "not to be gay" of course. Grrrr

  • 30. Bob  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    blatant inciting of hatred toward Rainbow People, and their is no outcry from the plublic?

    In France thousands marched in the streets today in protest to the pesidents actions toward the Roma, tough situation, not an easy solution, put the public still had the balls to call him on his human rights obligations.

    Sagesse, being Canadian, did you hear anything of the Christian rally that was held in Calgary about a week or so ago, at the site of the winter Olympics, if I remember correctly it was lead by Dobson's son, and they had in past gotten crowds of up to 70,000, I'm wondering if there was any incidting of hatred at that gathering? ,

  • 31. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Drat! Good point. Okay, how about dream??? I wonder how long it took her to *dream* that up!

  • 32. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Except they DO. They do in DROVES because of the hypnotic effect of everything that is being done to them. So they repent of things they never ever considered actually DOING, and get prayed over, and are forgiven, and promise never to do it again.

    It is part of the whole package. And if no one of them ACTUALLY repents, they have plants in the audience to start them off and get the ball rolling. And when one person is seen to do it, others follow.

    Hypnotized sheep.

  • 33. Bolt  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    I would tell this ridiculous fool, to her face, to stick her bible up her ass.

  • 34. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    A freudian slip, perhaps, but a true one. If they just prayed and accepted Jesus, many gay Christians could go on just as they have been and lead perfectly normal lives.

    Of course, these LOONIES don't see it that way, but we do.

  • 35. GreenEyedLilo  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    They want to force us bi people to "straighten up and fly right" as well. Again, they used to never really notice us, and now they are. They are going to use our lives as a way to argue against rights for all LGBT people. And they won't all be as inept at speaking as Cindy Jacobs.

  • 36. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Could we please hypnotize HER first, so she might actually do it? Please?

  • 37. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Excuse me, Cindy, don't you think it's time you take your meds? And if the ones you're taking aren't working anymore, don't you think you should be re-evaluated so that they can either adjust the dosage or try a different regimen to see if that works better?

  • 38. Dpeck  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    … and when gay people DON'T 'choose' to be straight, what do you think some of the less stable individuals in this group of indoctrinated 'martyrs' might do about it?

  • 39. Bob  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    hope Reverend Russels folks are on the ground picking up the pieces, wish some gay organization would set up rainbow flags at the exits for debriefing sessions

  • 40. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Bob–

    'No outcry from the public?'

    I don't know about the public, but I'll tell you how my mother would respond.

    "She's just speaking the Truth, Linda; she's just speaking the Truth."

    In other words, yes, it's incitement to violence; but it's okay, because it's the Truth; and we all know, Truth trumps man's law everytime.

  • 41. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Hmm….might be better if they just held up signs with contact information from a good distance away. I'm afraid they might be attacked in the name of God if they're too close to those newly annointed drones.

  • 42. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Actually, "The Scream" is a lot quieter. yes, I know it is a painting, but even so, when I hear the scream in my head that the painting represents, it is far quieter, and a lot less shrill, than Cindy is at her quietest.

  • 43. Michael  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    There are a couple of major problems here for strident anti-gay activist Jacobs. First, she claims to be a Christian and a biblical prophet. Yet the Bible she follows clearly warns that revilers are going to hell and that women are not to teach men. So, as she screams and points fingers and arbitrarily hoists being gay to Super Sin status, she ignores the very Bible she claims to follow. (Not to mention that she leaves the Golden Rule in tatters.) She can't have it both ways. What she is proclaiming is unchristian and immoral and she needs to repent and stop recruiting others into her sinful anti-gay lifestyle. Pro-equality people of faith need to show up at her events and point this out so that her soul can be saved.

  • 44. Paul in Minneapolis  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    She has a soul???

  • 45. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Hey Cindy! Give Lindsay equal time!!!
    http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/5593

  • 46. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Why, why, WHY do those people stay there and tolerate being screamed at? Do they have so little self-worth that they think they are deserving of that abuse?

    No one, NO ONE is EVER allowed to address me like that.

    Those people should just turn around and leave.

  • 47. Dpeck  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Tomorrow I'm going to spend the day surrounded by about a hundred thousand LGBTQXYZ and straight allies here in Oakland:
    http://oaklandpride.org/

    I gotta do something to get the stench of "The Call" out of my nostrils and this just might do it.

  • 48. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    And….all I can say is, "Ms Jacobs, if you are an example of what I would find in Heaven, then NO THANK YOU!!!"

  • 49. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Good for you! Have a great time!!!

  • 50. anonygrl  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    I just want to go out and find some girl to kiss. And then some guy. And then maybe another girl.

  • 51. Bob  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    amen Michael

  • 52. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    I'm jealous.

  • 53. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Get a barf bucket ready before you watch this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DakDS_7Z3bM&fe

  • 54. Bob  |  September 4, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Linda

    I hear ya, same situation for me, but my mother is not the public, and our mothers are wrong, and they are not speaking the truth, gotta remember that.

    It was Billy Graham's son who lead the rally here in Calgary, I saw a few videos, lot's of the same emotional excitement, bringing the lost to Jesus stuff, but no mention of teh gayz….I
    It''s way more subtle here, I would suspect a young rainbow child could very muich enjoy that rally and all the fellowship and the love and party and stuff, but he'd get tuned in later in the church basement.

    Maybe it's better to have it right up front in your face, but so much confusion for a kid trying to find love. holy shit. freaky

  • 55. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Watch this with the sound muted and tell me what it reminds you of.

  • 56. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    And if she were such a prophet, she would not be wearing pants, as that also is prohibited by the very laws she wants to interpret to exclude LGBTQQI's from being alive. That thingy about men not wearing women's clothing, and women not wearing men's clothing, you know…..
    But then, we all realize that the only laws the CINO's want to claim are still in effect are the ones they rule are worse "sins" than theirs.

  • 57. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Hitler?

  • 58. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Hitler, transformed into a female appearance, and in HD color.

  • 59. Kathleen  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Who's the gay guy at 1:40?

  • 60. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Richard, she is following in the footsteps of these prophets:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vAm1k22NTg

  • 61. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    @Kethleen: Who’s the gay guy at 1:40?

    see the video below " Shocking History" for more details.

  • 62. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    HItler… great minds think alike! (at first I meant Richard and I seeing the same thing… but I guess it could mean Cinfy and Adolph!!!! LOL!

  • 63. Peg  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    This is my issue, she is not even talking about lesbianism. She is talking about Brit and Madonna trying to shock and titillate by being sexy, but the sexy had nothing to do with reality and everything to do with fantasy of the general straight male. This is not about being gay, it's about sex selling.
    If she wants to lecture someone, she needs to be talking to the boys and telling them not to talk 24/7 about their fantasy. I bet she also preaches how women should be submissive to their spouses, and if the spouses want to see some hot girl on girl action…

  • 64. Eden James  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    I posted this video on the front page, along with a crowdsourcing request for folks to watch more videos and share them in the comments.

    Thanks Ray!

  • 65. Bonobo  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Oh Ray, nooooooooo. Don't bring Aimee's name into this. I love that woman. She was my first clue that it was all bullcrap. Anyone that could kidnap herself twice and still have a following… albeit a smaller one after the second kidnapping… is a gal we could learn much from. Charisma is something we could all use. If used correctly, it can be a mighty good thing. Unhappily, too many bad people have it. Happily, none of these people seem too.

    And no brains at all. Don't they know that what they televised will be used against them in court as proof of a cult mentality? Let's hope we don't have another Jones Town on our hands.

    Bo
    PS: I hope someone's been recording that stupid show. We'll need it later.

  • 66. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    And one of their congregations is right here in Cumberland County–Kingdom House. O. M. G.!

  • 67. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    You're welcome!

    I've learned a lot more about religious zealots and prophets than I care too on a Saturday Night!

    Yikes!

    I gotta get out more!

  • 68. Judy  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    My niece just posted on FaceBook that she was proudly in the front row at TheCall, then praises her god saying he is so good. I am incensed. I don't want to alienate my relatives and her friends, but is there ANYTHING I can say? I'm sitting here biting my tongue, so to speak.

    I refer to you all as my 'peeps' when I talk about you to my partner, Kathy. I've seen some great comebacks in these postings. I've seen great humor that hits the nail on the head. So, I look to my peeps for anything I might post in comment to her FaceBook message. I just have to say something! Help, anyone?

  • 69. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I looked up the doctrinal statement of the Foursquare Church and thought this tenet especially provocative.

    "Civil government—Civil government is by divine appointment and civil laws should be upheld at all times except in things opposed to the will of God."

    Does anyone see the problem with this?

  • 70. Lora  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I went to pick up dinner tonight at Hamburger Mary's here in Sacramento…I've never seen to many fundamental,anti-gay, 'fasting' "christian" people at a gay restaurant before!!
    I thought it was hilarious!
    I pulled up in my vehicle with an HRC logo on it and was wearing my "Free to Live, Free to Love" shirt as I made my way through the throng of evangelicals! :)

  • 71. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    And…..how is that any different than the Islamic Jihad position???

  • 72. Carpool Cookie  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    And Faye Dunaway played her on TV ! ! ! What more could you ask?

  • 73. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Oh my; weren't you tempted to start screaming at them to repent????

    Oh wait…..that's the *other* side's technic; my bad.

  • 74. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Linda gave me an idea for you… suggest to her that she should study up on Islamic Jihad and how it compares to the CALL.

  • 75. Carpool Cookie  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Uggh. How awful to see your family writing that!

    Are you out to her?

  • 76. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    And the best part of it is that you had a very quiet rebuke to their screaming fanaticism! Is that FABULOUS or what? I have long said that the best way to counter the SCREAMING ME-ME's is with total silence. That upsets them worse than giving them the satisfaction of you screaming back at them. It also proves that you are more in line with the teachings of Rabbi Yoshua ben Yosef of Nazareth than they are.

  • 77. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    The requirement is to be able to incite (and hopefully inspire large donations).

  • 78. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Peg–You make a very good point; one which will be totally lost on the people she is screaming at—er—*ministering* to–but a good one, nonetheless.

  • 79. Carpool Cookie  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    A few glaring problems with Sister Cindy's tirade:

    Why is she only commanding the women in the audience to kneel and grovel in prayer? (Is it because women are not supposed to wield authority over men?) That's a nice, sisterly touch, fer sure.

    Should this harpy be preaching at all? (I thought women were to be silent in the churches.)

    What's with the mannish bobbed hair? According to the Bible, a woman's hair is her "crowning glory", and remains unsheared. (That's why all the Texas compound Mormons had those gigantic, Gibson Girl updos.)

    As noted, though, this is classic. MAJOR props:

    "This girl-on-girl kissing; Madonna kissing Britney Spears, and [look] what happened to Britney…"

  • 80. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Richard–Oh, I completely agree! These people are totally out of control, but that doesn't mean we have to be.

  • 81. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    And here we have Lou Engle, who forgot to pee before his sermon: (I feel his pain)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LwUn8JVP44

  • 82. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Obviously, Cindy's purpose is to speak to the women about such womanly things.

    My question is: What the hell happened to Britney??? Did she like it??? Inquiring minds want to know!

  • 83. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Ha!!! Ray, that's perfect!

    And quite descriptive!

  • 84. Vanessa  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Please tell me they did not just refer to this shit stain as a prophet!? These people are diseases!

  • 85. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 4, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    He also forgot to take his Neurontin, so his sciatica is acting up. Combine that with a distended bladder, and you really have big problems!

  • 86. DK  |  September 4, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Umm… did you see that frame where it says "change the marketplace and change the world". Interesting choice of words.
    DK

  • 87. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Did you know that Engle's 19 year old son has been 'called by God' to cast out the homosexual demons? Yep; he lives in San Francisco…guess what area…..he told his dad that God won't harm SF as long as he's living there.

    Riiiiiiiigggggggggtttttttttttttttt….*wink, wink*

  • 88. Linda  |  September 4, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    You know what would be fun. Just very calmly go up to the stage and just stand there while she rants. Just stand there watching her. No emotion, no words. Just stand….
    wearing an 'out and proud' t shirt. :)

  • 89. Bonobo  |  September 4, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    I used to love to read about con artists. Still do, in fact. I went from religeon to psychics to cults to world leaders and then spanned the globe again. From what made the con artist, to what made people want to follow them (be taken in), and I gotta say, right now America is ripe for the picking, and has been for a number of years.
    They tested in Florida (orange juice) and the time wasn't right, they tested in SF and still they waited. They tested in Hawaii and saw their chance coming. They elected an imbicile who scared us all, and started the infusion. And I can't help feeling that they don't really give a damn about Prop 8. It's a tool. A way to rally people together, away to point fingers, to gain trust, to get people to listen and focus them in to their way of thinking. To get the power. It's slight of hand. If we give you this… will you notice that we're taking away this? And if you don't notice that, what else will you not notice. Any good magician can do it. Any good con, any good leader. They do it all the time, and only a few of us notice.
    Right now, We the people, are lost, we, the people, are confused, and are scared, and we no longer feel in control of our destinies. And we are afraid of our future and the future of our children, and our children's children. We, the people, are ripe for the picking.

    And although most of us can see a con coming, we have yet to figure out a way to stop them in their tracks, before the damage is done.

    It is my guesstimate that it is not the time to laugh at them, but to stop them. Pull the plug. Close the curtains. Get out the hook. And take their rolex away.

  • 90. Sheryl Carver  |  September 4, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    I found a few quotes; perhaps one of them might work.

    Doubt everything. Find your own light.
    -Last words of Gotama Buddha, in Theravada tradition

    I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use.
    -Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

    Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
    -Blaise Pascal (Pensees, 1670)

  • 91. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 4, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping" (2 Peter 2:1–3 )

    She is no prophet…she is a false prophet bearing false witness against her fellow brothers and sisters.
    She is true evil

  • 92. Trish  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Sheryl, I love those quotes.

  • 93. Trish  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    It's a form of hypnotism, his moving back and forth rhythmically…

  • 94. Michelle Evans  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Even more fun would be if my wife and I would be close enough so that we could have come the the event and started kissing and hugging in front of the whole crowd. Then we could have asked for the mic and said that if what we do is so wrong, then where's the lighting, etc, to strike us down!

    Of course with that crowd, someone would probably pull out a gun and shoot us both…

  • 95. Michelle Evans  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I have to wonder what they all would have done if someone had pointed out to them that they were all eating in a gay restaurant?

    They might catch some LGBT cooties.

    And what happened to the fact that they were all supposed to be fasting throughout the weekend? That didn't last long, did it. Guess that part was just inconvenient.

  • 96. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping" (2 Peter 2:1–3 NIV).

  • 97. Michelle Evans  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Oops, sorry, got under the wrong thread.

  • 98. Sheryl Carver  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    The "quotes" page of NoBeliefsDOTcom had some really good ones, Trish. I tried to pick some that were not too inflammatory, since Judy doesn't want to alienate her family.

  • 99. Sheryl Carver  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Very nice, Mark!

  • 100. Judy  |  September 4, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    @Ray: Just like a holy war, isn't it? I might use something about that.
    @CCookie: Yes, I was really taken aback suddenly. She knows I'm with my partner, Kathy, and have been for 4 years. She's otherwise polite. She hasn't visited us, and we do also live in Sacramento. I don't really know her beliefs about marriage equality, but yes she knows I'm out.
    @Sheryl: Love the quotes! When I grew up the quote of the day was "Question Authority". I also like Mohandas Ghandi's "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians." I especially like your quote from Galilei. Thanks!

    Someone wrote that in all his decades of trying to move people from their religions he had never moved even one person. I will say something, on behalf of our cause. I'll keep you posted.

    Thanks, peeps.

  • 101. Judy  |  September 4, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    I decided not to be confrontational, since she probably would become defensive and just not hear me. I'm falling back to the belief that the best way to change hearts and minds is to let people know that they personally know a real gay or lesbian in real life. So, in that regard, here's what I posted on FaceBook after her post:

    "Hey, Katie! You must come for lunch with Kathy and me sometime."

    If she ever shows up at our house we'll have a lot of (loving) things to tell her. At the very least it will remind her that she has a lesbian aunt. Who reads her FB posts.

  • 102. draNgNon  |  September 4, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    she will see it as a chance to talk to you about seeing the light. be prepared for that.

    there was a book I read many years ago, holy blood, holy grail. some of it has been discounted. but it will get the average christian to start seriously questioning what they believe. it was recommended to me by a fundamentalist christian friend… who was rapidly growing away from that mind set.

  • 103. Sheryl Carver  |  September 4, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Probably the best course of action, Judy. Changing hearts & minds, one at a time, with cookies (even if lunch is served first).

    Good luck with your niece. Whatever she does or doesn't do, you came out of this a winner!

  • 104. BK  |  September 4, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    As a follower of Christ, I cringe at reading that she is claimed to be a prophet. I'm appalled that someone could say such a thing and be taken seriously…

    Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    I highly doubt she's a good tree.

  • 105. BK  |  September 4, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I wanna puke, with all them being called "prophets" and "apostles"… blegh… :(

  • 106. BK  |  September 4, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Richard! I love that new term!! Christian in Name Only — so fitting! Thanks a ton; CINO will come in handy later. :)

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  • 108. Jaymax  |  September 4, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    In Romans 1 Paul was most likely referring to the practices of the 1st century pagan fertility god cults where they used ritual sex in the local pagan temples.

    It doesn't actually state that women were having sex with other women. Just that women "exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones" This could be women being dominant towards men during the sex act or women having non-vaginal sex with men etc.

    In any case, Paul was probably writing about cultic worshipping practices in the 1st century, not homosexuals. Look up the goddess cults of Rome and Corinth. In Corinth at the time Paul was writing, there was a temple to Aphrodite which supposedly employed 1000 temple prostitutes.

  • 109. Apricot  |  September 4, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    They aren't here to inspire young folks in intelligent debate and discourse. They're here selling the idea that "we are right, they are wrong, and they need to suffer." We all live on this planet together. This promotes strife and tyranny rather than harmony. It promotes the idea that it's okay to demonize those that aren't exactly like "us."

    It's also arrogant in the sense that these people feel their virtue is so high that they don't need reflect on rational thoughts, or to even take a glance in their own bible. By virtue they have dominion over everyone else, and they have the authority to control the lives of everyone else – or at least they hope very strongly that they do.

    So far from Christianity that you can't even see it in the distance anymore.

  • 110. Sagesse  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    In their minds, 'sin' = 'choice'. The sinner must be able to choose not to sin. And, since, unlike all the other sins to which they are tempted, this is one they will not commit (unless they're in denial about their sexuality), so how hard can it be to be celibate…. oh, it's a (much) bigger deal than not lying or stealing…. not my problem. God says it's a sin. We all have to make sacrifices.

    And we love you and we and God will forgive you, just stop being you.

    Self absorbed bigots.

  • 111. Tigger  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    So true!!! Lord help her and her sad, sadistic minions.

  • 112. Tigger  |  September 4, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I believe that's the same Leviticus that the religious zombies and Velveeta King like to quote so freely. I think I'll go into an African American church and quote me some slave loving Leviticus… Disgusting.

  • 113. Tigger  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Holy batshit! With the sound down, the crowd might as well be saying Seig Heil!

  • 114. Sagesse  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Franklin Graham's Rock the River West, billed as a Christian Rock concert, made three stops in your neighbourhood, western Canada, at the end of August. They claim 27,000 attendees total. Each concert was seven hours. Evidently, if I was into Christian Rock, the bands playing would be a big deal. Admission C$10, which is about US$9.50.

    The stops were in the Fraser Valley in BC (not a major centre) and in the Alberta cities of Calgary and Edmonton. It got very little press, most of it local, that I could find, and certainly, I hadn't heard of it, way out here in the east ;), until you asked about it. Good catch.

    This is from Graham's site, but any attendance figures I found seem to be sourced from this site anyway. Don't know if they do 'NOM math' or not. Since they were youth rallies (most of the program was Christian Rock music performers) the turnout doesn't seem noteworthy one way or another, and certainly not a groundswell of anything.

    Rock the River Tour West Draws 26,670
    http://www.demossnews.com/rocktheriver/news/rock_

  • 115. CeeVee  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Love your points! ..especially the second to last sentence..

  • 116. Steve  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    The problem being that religious people can declare just about any random thing to be "the will of God"

  • 117. Sagesse  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    @GreenEyedLilo

    It's just another 'perversion'. Makes their list of 'horrid things these people do' longer. An endless list makes it easier to write an endless sermon/rant.

  • 118. Ray in MA  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Excellent approach… give up a day and smother her with examples of how happy our daily normal lives can be.

  • 119. CeeVee  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Let's see….my partner is upstairs working on homework so that she can finish her Master's Degree in Healthcare Administration this December and I am heading out to clean the garage. I go outside completely confident that I will not be struck by lightening today. I can see how some might consider this a threat to 'traditional' marriage and society…give me a break. The only plague going on is the clutter in the garage I am about to tackle. …fingers crossed for no lightening strikes!

  • 120. Sagesse  |  September 4, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    That is sooo funny. Giggling and smirking :).

  • 121. Steve  |  September 5, 2010 at 12:30 am

    To paraphrase a nice quote I read earlier: if Jesus really died for our sins, why not take advantage of that and sin?

  • 122. Steve  |  September 5, 2010 at 12:35 am

    The true plague on society has always been organized religion. Especially Christianity and Islam (though ironically, the latter wasn't always as bad as today).

  • 123. Dave in CA  |  September 5, 2010 at 12:47 am

    I have a Bible passage especially picked out for Cindy Jacobs; some of you might already guess at which one it is – 1 Timothy 2:9-12:

    "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.

    A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet, silent and submissive."

    Cindy, Cindy, Cindy. The Prophet – nay, Saint – Paul has spoken. So sit down and shut the hell up. :-)

  • 124. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Been giving this some thought. I think the best thing you could do would be to engage her in conversation, not confrontation or coming off as attempting to change her mind, but dialogue that will make her think. After all, now that she is away from the crowd and such, she will be able to reason things out. So, just show a curiosity about what she learned there and ask her some thought provoking questions about it.

    Let us know how you handle the situation.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 125. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:37 am

    Judy–You have chosen a very wise approach. And yes, your niece will probably think she may have a chance to 'witness' to you.

    I don't know your personal beliefs, but if your niece is that commited to God she will not be talked out it. Perhaps if you are able to direct her to a denomination that also 'serves God' but does not condemn LGBTs. She is going to need some way to channel her newly energized missionary zeal.

    Good luck!

  • 126. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:40 am

    And this has been precisely the problem, hasn't it? It's rather difficult to govern a people who do not feel they have to follow any rule that they disagree with. Because obviously if they disagree it's because it's against 'Almighty God'!

  • 127. icapricorn  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:46 am

    Most of you are too young but who could ever forget the acid-etched portrait of Sister Aimee in the TV movie from, oh maybe the 70's, in which — strap yourself in, kiddies — Aimee was played by a getting-ready-for-Mommie Dearest Faye Dunaway, and her mother? Her MOTHER? Her mother was played by a little bat of spit and spite called Miss Bette Davis. Oh, the memories!

  • 128. Buffy  |  September 5, 2010 at 8:28 am

    She needs to repent of wearing gold and pearl jewelry, and of teaching men. Brazen hussy should be at home being a helpmeet, not prancing around on stage like a demented moppet.

  • 129. Dusty Branson  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    This is not a religious issue. Marriage is a legal priveledge allowed by law. You are terribly confused about the provision separating church from state. You can certainly continue in your religious beliefs of marriage, they are not to be part of the law. The law is banning your religion. It is simply separating it from the law. Remember, many came here to escape religious persecution.

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  • 131. fern  |  September 6, 2010 at 1:17 am

    I saw God too and I saw the light believe me it's true, I talk with him and asked him for a miracle and I'm waiting for it to happen.
    I wonder though, how's he gonna get me two fifth of Jack Daniels so I can see and talk to him again.

    She must have been to drama school as she is very technical with her speech, starting low and going to a crescendo, same technique Hitler used, and it gets the folks all fired up with the results we know.

  • 132. fern  |  September 6, 2010 at 2:01 am

    Dave, that's how I like my women!
    That's why I vote Taliban and the right to carry rocks for an occasional stoning.
    things have evolved since those writings albeit very slowly and too slow for my taste, all I can tell you is I still remember my father's face when he learnt a woman could own a private bank account in her own name, this was Belgium in the mid '50's.

  • 133. Josh  |  September 7, 2010 at 12:30 am

    haha WOW! at 1:37 of that video she really gets into it. BOY OR GIRL!! DO YOU HAVE A SEX WITH BOTH!!

    What is, "have a sex"? I've never had a sex, hmm.

    WE DECREE!!! MEN AND WOMEN ARE GOING TO BE THEIR NATURAL USE!!!

    What does, "going to be their natural use" mean?? or should it be, "going to be there natural use"?? She probably used the wrong "their/there" when she said it.

    I'm very confused by her use of the English language, but I had a nice laugh.

  • 134. Josh  |  September 7, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Yes, exactly the Romans clobber passage is not about gay couples in love/relationships!! The people Paul was talking about were probably not even gay, they were part of some idolotrous sexual ritual.

    Furthermore if Paul actually saw these sexual activities that further proves it was NOT about consenting gay couples in private relationships.

    Romans is NOT about sexual orientation whatsoever.

  • 135. Dave in ME  |  September 7, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    With a resume like hers, Cindy Jacobs has no business in politics.

    Dave in Maine

  • 136. Linda  |  September 7, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    @Dave–
    I'm afraid she would argue that she is not in politics. I do believe she considers herself a Prophet and Evangelist.

    Therefore she speaks for God, which would place her distinctly higher than mere politicians.

  • 137. Bill  |  September 9, 2010 at 6:20 am

    She really does need some gays in her life. I mean look at that hair! Good Lord! You know a straight person did her hair and makeup, not to mention those awful clothes. I can't imagine the joylessness in her bedroom. I hope she doesn't put her husband to his natural use to often.

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