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#TheCallTurnoutFAIL exposed: Organizers planned for 30,000, not 6,000; Endless, empty blocks of JumboTrons, Porta-Potties unused

Right-wing TheCall

(Andy Kelley, Courage’s New Media Organizer, was at TheCall yesterday, and wrote this piece revealing how the event was actually a total failure in terms of turnout, compared to what the organizers expected. Lou Engle expected 30,000 people, it appears, if the multiple JumboTrons and Porta-Potties stretching on for blocks… of empty grass… are any indication. Not to mention the 55,450 unused water bottles, outnumbering actual attendees almost tenfold. Great reporting by Andy, who also got video footage that will be uploaded later. Check it out. — Eden)

by Andy Kelley

It is difficult to call an event with an estimated turnout somewhere around 6,000 a small event. In truth, it’s a far cry from the few dozen people we came to expect during the NOM tour. TheCall Sacramento, however, is a totally different creature.

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While driving to do an interview with a Minister from a local church (video to follow), Anthony and I couldn’t help wonder why so many streets were blocked off in downtown Sacramento. After all, everyone was down in the capital.

So I decided to get out of the car to find out what was going on. You can imagine my surprise when I discovered “Road Closed” signs at the intersection of 4th St. @ L St. (some 7 plus blocks from the Capital Park).

As I walked down the street I passed dozens of Porta Potties, but no one was in sight, let alone congregating around them. I continued down the street, walking in search of anyone who might be attending the event, but there was no one on the street, no one but me. I kept walking, until I reached a JumboTron, some five blocks away from the Capital, but again, no one was in sight. Had they really anticipated it would be needed?

As I continued walking forward, I passed many uniformed police officers, hundreds of feet of chain link fences, and yet another closed intersection. There was a a second JumboTron, like the first, I was the only one viewing it. Beside is were several pallets of water bottles. I couldn’t help but wonder how many, so I counted them. 35 bottles per case x 8 cases per level x 7 levels per pallet = 1,680 bottles of water. There were 17 such pallets, sitting unattended beside the JumboTron, 23,520 water bottles in total (feel free to check my math.)

I passed another solitary JumboTron, followed a block later by yet another massive screen with but one viewer besides myself. Here, I discovered another 16 pallets of water, 3 pallets (5040 bottles) appeared to have been used, bringing the grand total 55,440 unused water bottles!

With so much water around, it’s no wonder there were another 200 Porta Potties located closer to the venue, meaning that I’d walked by 250 or so in total, and had yet to see a line. According to their vendor, United Site Services website, 242 Porta Potties would service the a crowd of 30,000 people for 10 hours. This begs the question, how many people had The Call’s planners been anticipating. United Site Services states only 48 such toilets would be needed for the crowd of 6,000 present on Saturday.

callpray2Even as I got closer to Capital Park, there was enough room for several participants to set out picnic blankets, while leaving space in between (as the picture to the right of TheCall attendees bowing in prayer shows quite clearly).

Based on the Porta Potties provided, the scattering of JumboTrons accross capital mall, and the over-abundance of water bottles a conservative estimate could place their expectations somewhere around 30,000.

Clearly, this was not the case. It took me over 10 minutes from the first road closure, to even reach a semblance of “The Call.” Turnout was only 20 percent of what organizers may have expected, and considerably lower than the events from even the night before.

Let’s keep in mind that Lou Engle and Mike Huckabee claim that more than 400,000 people attended TheCall in Washington, D.C. in 2000, as this promo for TheCall Sacramento hypes to the, er, heavens:

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137 Comments

  • 1. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:10 am

    So at least you all got to stay hydrated yesterday?

  • 2. Rev. Will Fisher  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:19 am

    Lou is having a Spinal Tap moment…

  • 3. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:22 am

    California Prop 8: A Case for Killing the Initiative Process
    http://lezgetreal.com/2010/09/california-prop-8-a

  • 4. Guest  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:24 am

    35 x 8 x 7 = 1960 bottles per pallet
    1960 x 17 = 33320 bottles total sitting unattended

    So it's worse for them then you originally thought =) Unless I too made a mistake…in which case I blame my computer's calculator, because I entered the numbers in multiple times to be sure =P

    Yeah that's it, it was the calculator's fault…

    >.>

  • 5. Guest  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Than**

    Psh, and I call myself a spelling nazi. I am not worthy of the title.

  • 6. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Dave in CA

    Did I completely miss that your Open Letter to Ken Mehlman was posted at LezGetReal. Outstanding!

    AN OPEN LETTER TO KEN MEHLMAN on the day he came out
    http://lezgetreal.com/2010/08/an-open-letter-to-k

  • 7. Kate  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Well, their watermelon prayer rugs in the article photo above are certainly interesting.

  • 8. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:41 am

    Discussion of the role of evidence and social science in legal decisions. A bit of history for a Sunday.

    Muller v. Oregon and the Prop 8 Case: From Ideology to Rationality in One Hundred Years
    http://www.ohioverticals.com/blogs/akron_law_cafe

  • 9. Dave in CA  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Oooh, hooray! That's two – maybe it's start making the rounds and eventually get to Ken.

  • 10. Kathleen  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:43 am

    interesting article

  • 11. Michael  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:53 am

    It does strike me as odd how evangelicals get their panties in a wad over pictures of muslims praying in the streets of New York, but the picture in this article of them praying looks much the same.

  • 12. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Kathleen, I thought you'd like it :).

  • 13. bonobo  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:12 am

    checky the box

  • 14. Ann S.  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Wow, very interesting that so few showed up.

  • 15. Don in Texas  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:15 am

    This exercise in futility obviously was very expensive.

    Consider:

    1. Stage set up and tear down; stagehands' labor
    2. Sound and lighting equipment rental; operators cost
    3 Security; police overtime expense
    4. Multiple JumboTron rental, set up, tear down, labor
    5. Porta-Pottie rental
    6. 55,450 bottles of water
    7. Speakers' fees, transportation, food, lodging
    8. Publicity and printing costs
    9. Permits for use of Capital Mall
    10. Legal and administrative expense

    How were these costs defrayed? Who footed the bill??

  • 16. Eden James  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:39 am

    Arisha says she heard a rumor at the event that it cost $5-$10 million. But, again, that's a rumor.

  • 17. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:48 am

    I guess their donor lists would be off-limits…..

  • 18. Don in Texas  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:55 am

    It seems to me that a cost of $5-10 million would be too high, but it easily could have cost upwards of $1-million or more.

    Again, one wonders who put up that kind of money for this failed and unsuccessful event.

  • 19. BradK  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:57 am

    I was thinking the same thing! Were they facing the jumbotron…or Mecca?

  • 20. Bob  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:05 am

    I'm happy, I saw a few pictures of protestors, a rainbow flag with a sign love= and another one asking where do you get your hate, cross in one hand bible in other.

    Thanks so much for your bravery whoever you are holding those signs.

    very poor turn out, speaks volumes and in a way that they can understand, nothing to think about, just no people

    but my prayers were answered I saw a Rainbow Flag, in that crowd Rainbow people were visible. to face the hate

  • 21. BradK  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Interesting indeed.

    Let us pray that the SCOTUS of today is as introspective as the one of 1903, if this or another LGBT civil rights case makes it to their doorstep.

  • 22. BradK  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:08 am

    55K+ bottles of water? Not very Green for God, are they?

  • 23. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:08 am

    When I was little I was taught that if I prayed for something and it didn't happen, then that meant God was telling me 'no'.

    Request denied.

  • 24. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Oh, I don't think $5,000,000 is inflated at all. Remember, very few things/people were donated.

    The question is, who is underwriting this? They have to be getting some major funding from some powerful entities–churches, I'm sure; but I'm wondering about politicians and political organizations.

  • 25. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:16 am

    I also find it very telling that they had many more attend the Friday night concert than they had at the Saturday all-day fast-and-pray marathon.

  • 26. BK  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:16 am

    Awesome letter, Dave! You worded it so well, and so civily! (i hope i spelled that word right.)

  • 27. Bill  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:17 am

    It's kind of funny that these people in the video do not see how absolutely bat-shit CRAZY this stuff is.

    It's also kind of scary.

    I was raised in the evangelical church. I know what goes on within it. I saw through it by the time I was 10. I wonder what keeps these people in this? And I wonder how they do not recognize that this is simply a cult designed to make those presenting themselves as 'men of god' richer than god himself.

    Such a shame that people choose to particiapte in this.

  • 28. Ray in MA  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:19 am

    33320 Bottles of Water at Call
    33320 Bottles of Water!
    Ya take one down, pass it around,
    33319 Bottles of Water at Call…

  • 29. Bolt  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:20 am

    Good morning everyone,

    These photos are funny. What did everyone do before porta-potties? The California Gold Rush should have been an unsanitary affair.

    I love the kowtow photo. That is new body language for the xtianists.

    Please allow me to play devils advocate. Are all of these xtianists anti-gay by association?

  • 30. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:20 am

    I was about to say the exact same thing!

  • 31. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:20 am

    This is really moving, and an uplifting read for a Sunday.

    California State Senator Mark Leno on Marriage Equality / Prop 8
    http://lezgetreal.com/2010/09/california-state-se

  • 32. Bolt  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:23 am

    OK. My question is answered.

    Every xtianist fool at this event is indeed a raging bigot.

  • 33. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:24 am

    Bill–
    But remember? A huge part of their indoctrination is to never question God! So people are taught to blindly accept and follow whatever their leader tells them. This proves their devotion to God.

    Typical cult training.

  • 34. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:24 am

    Ray! Ha!

    Great; now that song will be in my head all day!

    Gosh, I'm thirsty…:)

  • 35. BK  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:26 am

    *sigh*

    Pure relief. I was worried they would fill the city with delirious, misguided religious folk. The row of porta-potties adds an element of humor. :)

    Thanks, to all the equality supporters who dropped in on this rally!

  • 36. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:30 am

    BK–
    But are we sure those are porta-POTTIES???

    I'm thinking maybe they're porta-CLOSETS! You know, for all those sinful LGBTs who needed a place to go after they repented of their sins!

  • 37. BK  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:34 am

    Oh my gosh–I think you're right! Those organizers are geniuses! Maybe they'll have a symbolic "dumping" of the gay lifestyle! 😉

  • 38. Nat  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:36 am

    If those porta-potties would service 30,000 people at a normal event, how many people would they service at a fast, given its lower rate of ingestion and thus waste generation?

    (Having said that, equipping for 30,000 people doesn't mean they expected that many; it's how many they allowed for. They may have thought "hey, we'll probably get 20,000, but in case we're off by 50%, let's prepare for it." If they're smart, their deal on water would include the ability to return unused pallets for most of the purchase prices.)

  • 39. ElsieH  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:36 am

    Great reporting Andy! I had guessed that more people would be at the concert than the rally. I'm thankful that you got out of the car to look around.

  • 40. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:37 am

    Religion is a big time money making business, folks.

    Especially this sort of religion, where believers are expected to make more donations than they can afford, and then go buy the books, and the tiny vials of blessed holy water, and the taped lecture series, and the prayer hankies, and then make another donation, and buy the bookmarks with the sacred words on them, and the bumper stickers, and the t-shirts, and the pamphlets to hand out to non-believers, and then make another donation, and buy pictures of the leaders signed by some temp back in the office, and coffee mugs with the church logo on them, and bibles prayed over by the leader, and the plaques with inspiring poetry printed over a picture of Jesus whose eyes follow you wherever you go in the room (trust me when I tell you, those are pretty terrifying in a 'haunted house' kind of way) and then make another donation…

    So a million to do this sort of event, which keeps Engle's name in the news, is chump change. He'll probably pull in at least twice that much in book sales alone from people who don't make it to the event this week. And all he needs to do is stay in the news. The more mainstream news coverage he can garner, whether good or bad, the happier he is.

    And his videos of the event will make it look like there were 40,000 people there.

    Remember, Michelle Bachman estimated there were 1 million people at Glenn Beck's "I have a nightmare" shindig, while more accurate estimates didn't top much over 100,000.

  • 41. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:39 am

    Yep… that is an old trope.

    "God answers all prayers. Sometimes the answer is no."

  • 42. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:41 am

    When congress returns next week, DADT repeal is expected to be up for its vote in the Senate in September. A new push to contact senators will start next week. This is a chance to strike down one of the cornerstone pieces of anti-LGBT federal law.

    "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Mandates Dishonesty
    http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/dont_ask_do

  • 43. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:42 am

    No. In fact, remember Arisha met a "maybe". And there are lots more of them, certainly.

    The trick is finding them and helping them get out of the sludge they are being buried in, and cleaning them off, and letting them think for themselves.

  • 44. BK  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Extremely off topic–on the other side of the country, that is. Has anyone heard of the Six by '12 project in New England? It sounds cool, but there is hardly any information out there. The only reason I keep thinking about it is that 6×12 is such an awesome goal! Perhaps a tad unrealistic, but why not dream? Anyhoo, what have you all heard/read about it?

  • 45. Don in Texas  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:43 am

    "Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism) require unanimity
    of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear
    and the hate;
    thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor
    camp, the psychiatric ward." — Edward Abbey

  • 46. Bob  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:45 am

    interesting how we never forget that brainwashing as an infant, fun when you think about it know isn't it,

    no people means a big old NO, to the fringe group still trying to pray the gay away.

    I just can't forget that woman prophet, in the video the other day saying, Chrisitans pockets would be filled with gold, duh what's the point of that? Kind of makes me think of how my mother always must wear her finest and look amazing when she goes to church, (same as all the rest of them white folks sitting in the pews), it's a show and tell, see who has the most fabulous outfit (Ronnie would love that part)

    Off topic , but when I was a wee tot, back in the fiftes, I had what we refer to as flying saucer day a church, cause you know, you can't make a peep, and you were always just an arm length from slap , but this particular Sunday my aunt arrived late and sat in front of us, and she was wearing a new hat, most fabulous, it was sort of shalped liked a flying saucer, and when I looked at that I just lost it, burst out laughing out loud in church, so my mother had to litteraly drag me outside, where she to burst out laughing.

    I always found that odd, that god would reward the good xtians for their efforts but dressing them in finery, I thought it would go more like if it was working, some of those poor folks we saw on the sreet on Saturday would join us, and maybe get some new clothes themelves.

    Beleive me, my aunt had so many hats we couldn't count them all, and my sisters had a blast playng with them, well and I did wear a few myself, including the flying saucer.

    Pray hard, but work harder, my mother scrubbed floors, we were on welfare, inches away from the folks that had nothing, but stil we put on heirs,

    And someone on an earlier post was right, that prophet totally lost herself, she did not wear a hat, course you could say she wasn't in church, and maybe that is the reason she was able to get around being a woman and preaching, just wondering.

  • 47. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:46 am

    But see, Engle is jealous of the commitment found among Muslims; especially the Jihad.

    He wants to 'raise up Christians' with that same fanatical commitment.

  • 48. Ray in MA  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:50 am

    Catholic's can be clever, if it was their 'show', they'd have multi-purpose PortaPotties/Confessionals.

    What a great concept!

    I think I'll email the Pope on how to increase attendance at the Sacrament of Penance!

  • 49. Bob  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:50 am

    but if their christian, they will donate the water to the homeless shelters in the area, or send it to Pakistan,,,,,, oh but those people go thirsty as proof they're not xristian. cause xcrisians got the water, and the gold

  • 50. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:51 am

    Bob–
    You got slapped; I got pinched! Ohhhhhhhh, and those pinches were painful! But we didn't dare make a peep or we'd get worse!

    And you're so right! Saturday was an all-day get-ready-for-church event: wash the car, polish the shoes, iron the clothes; and then there were the baths, and the nail trimming, and the hair rolling….

    And the picture was completed on Sunday morning when we plastered on the smiles as we walked into the sanctuary.

    No wonder my parents were always in such a hurry to get home! It was exhausting!!!

  • 51. Don in Texas  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:54 am

    "In this country people can't force their unfounded assumptions upon others, particularly when those assumptions consist of the unsupported belief that one group of people is superior to another. In court, appeals to God and appeals to nature are fruitless." — Will Huhn

    I just watched TheCall/Sacramento on (so help me!) GodTV for about ten minutes.

    All of those people — speakers and listeners alike — are mentally challenged, in my judgment. The serial speakers ranted without end; the listeners swayed, waved their hands aloft and spoke (in tongues?) to the wind with eyes closed. Far too many in the crowd were young adults who apparently have fallen under the spell of a gang of immoral charlatans.

    It is very frightening. Especially when the television production values were enhanced with heavy music throughout and changing camera angles and movement.

    Snake oil, anyone?

  • 52. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:55 am

    They would probably be REQUIRED to provide porto-potties in the number required to satisfy their permits. So in getting a permit for 30,000 people, it would be spelled out exactly what they needed to provide for those people. And they will be charged by the city for trash cleanup, and extra police for security, and power usage (unless they have generators) and so on, based on those numbers, whether that many show up or not.

    The water is, most likely, returnable. But since it is such a small expense, comparatively, it may not be worth it It may also be provided by the same production company that provided the jumbotrons (who might have negotiated ALL the necessaries, including amplification systems, lighting, power generators, permits, porto-potties, registration tents, comfortable air-conditioned backstage trailers for guest speakers, food for volunteers, those great big banners, transportation for VIP's, backstage security…) in which case it goes back into their stock, but Engle is still charged for it.

  • 53. Paul  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:59 am

    When watching KCRA news last night at 11:00 pm, I was told that Lou Engle was "expected" 50,000 to attend yesterday's event and KCRA showed some of the attendees singing & all warm and fuzzy. KCRA never mentioned actual attendance, just expected attendance. Who cares what they expected…I expect someday my hair will grow back…but I'm not holding my breath and it would be misleading to incinuate that someday it will !!!
    Why didn't KCRA show some of the really hateful speaches…i.e. like the "lesbian kissing" tirade? The event was portrayed as a huge love-fest with a gazillion sweet folks in attendance. Completely misleading and inaccurate reporting with no mention of the REAL agenda….or "actual attendance"…NONE.
    I'm letting KCRA know what I think of that report….please do the same if you happened to catch it last night.
    CALL @ KCRA…(916) 444-7316 re: Edie Lambert's report on "The Call" Saturday night.

  • 54. Bob  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:00 am

    you really are my sister Linda, same experience totally, I think the reason I so much enjoy going to the Anglican (Episcopalian in U.S.) is that I can wear jeans, and even shorts in summer, real liberating.

    We did the whole Sat prep thing too, and on Sun morning my father if he was sober enough, would have to bring the car around to the front of the house so all the neighbours could see us, quite a spectical, (eight kids), file into the car for church, to this day, my friends from that neighbourhood remind me how they all used to watch the parade.

  • 55. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:02 am

    It wasn't just the TV production values that had the music… there was a musical drone going on from the stage for the entire time (see various videos here) which is a classic technique in brainwashing and hypnotism.

    Which is part of WHY those kids were swaying with their hands in the air. They were hypnotized, and not really aware of what they were doing. If you were to get any one of them later, and ask them to quote what one of the speakers had said, or even list who the speakers were, you would only get fuzzy answers.

  • 56. Tracy  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:03 am

    This is no surprise — we've known for years that fewer in the American public flock to the EXTREME right. I think this has as much to do with America's youth than anything else — even Christian youth are cleaving to a more moderate version of religion that is more tolerant in general. Its a great time to be alive, because we are witnessing history.

    A hundred years from now, these events will be in textbooks (assuming we're still here, which is not in the least guaranteed)… and we will, have been here to witness it. And some of us, like Arisha, Rick, Ted Olson, David Boies, will have been major players. Thank God for giving human beings the capacity to EVOLVE! And I don't mean biologically…..

  • 57. Bob  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:06 am

    Catholics are very clever indeed, my friends down the street , family same size as mine, never had to do the parade thing, and didn't even have to go together, they had masses at so many times on Sunday, the only requirement was that my friend attend one, and their was no one to check, if you know what I mean, the odd time he got caught, but it never quite made up for all the times he missed.

  • 58. Hanou  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:07 am

    I got the same numbers you did. If the cases per row and rows per pallet were correct, then 1680 would be correct if the cases had 30 bottles of water in them (which is quite possible).

    But yes, it's either 30 bottles per case, or it's 64680 total bottles out there.

  • 59. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:17 am

    My dad was a minister, so when we went to church, we did have to wear nicer clothes because it was a sign of respect, but thank goodness we didn't have to go insane about it.

    No t-shirts, shorts or jeans, basically, and clothes that were clean, was the rule. And to this day, if I have to go into a church for some reason, I feel weird if I am wearing jeans or shorts.

    But his church was not the fancy kind, so I didn't really get all those hats till the day I went to the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta (I was tour manager, and some of the performers wanted to go) which was, of course, MLKs church. You should SEE what they do there. Hats that match the dresses, with handbags and shoes in the same fabric… wild. The Queen of England would look like a schlub next to some of these church ladies. It was worth the price of admission just to see the costumes!

  • 60. Lightning Baltimore  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:18 am

    The promo video above is a copy. The original video, on TheCall Official Videos YouTube channel, was posted on June 21.

    As of me watching it just now, there have been 25,607 views. In other words, significantly fewer people than they apparently expected to attend the event even watched the promo video.

    In addition, there are a massive thirteen comments, as of now. Of course, they may have deleted comments that were not positive, but still. Wow!

    Perhaps people were frightened away by the middle school boy screaming about "burning in the desert for you" at the 22 second mark.

  • 61. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:19 am

    And after Sunday dinner (which was at lunch time) we would all take a nap; and then get up, get dressed, and head back to church for Sunday evening service!

    The big treat was getting home in time to watch Bonanza!!!

    (Oh, and I forgot to mention the thorough house-cleaning, and yard manicuring that also took place on Saturdays).

  • 62. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:30 am

    I wonder if maybe some of the crowd figured it out and said "Hey, wait, no… this is not what I thought it was, and not for me."

    Wouldn't that be nice to hear?

  • 63. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:31 am

    I went and looked it up, and here is a linky…
    http://www.glad.org/current/news-detail/five-year

    Unrealistic, but a nice dream, and worth working for, certainly!

  • 64. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:36 am

    Yeah, and they BETTER donate the rest to charity when they're done!!!! I would love to catch pics of them throwing away what doesn't get used!

  • 65. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:37 am

    I tried to post.

    Isn't it interesting that those who "know they are right because God said so!" are so scared of negative commentary, while we, here, welcome it, so that we can learn from it, or help the person who posted it see where they have gone wrong?

  • 66. Lightning Baltimore  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:40 am

    Environmentalism is of SATAN.

  • 67. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:50 am

    It's a plan, and it has the advantage of being 'workable'. The states are small and close together, so that co-operating does not involve unreasonable cost or effort. I was impressed by the national response to No on 1 in Maine, and the equality march in DC, but you can't sustain that kind of effort.

  • 68. Lora  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:03 am

    Yeah…I thought that was the Muslim contingent that showed up yesterday! 😉

  • 69. Lora  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:04 am

    Me too!

  • 70. Lora  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:09 am

    I think a lot of them may have started out at the rally at the capitol, but then figured out it was a short walk to all the bistro and restaurants down in the midtown area…it's where I live and unofficially known as "Lavendar Heights." I sure saw a lot of them.

  • 71. Jonathon  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:26 am

    Or, maybe it was that the Porta-pottie company figured that this event would need a lot of porta-potties….due to all of the "crap" they were going to spew!!! You think? 😉

  • 72. AndrewPDX  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:29 am

    That's okay… In my book, math geekiness trumps spelling perfection. :)

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 73. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:29 am

    Eden has provided an update above, about the paltry KCRA coverage, asking for reports of more coverage.

    sacbee.com has the story: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/09/05/3006787/conserva
    The caption at the top mention the story ran in print, but was updated at 11 today on the web version.

    3/4 of it is talking about the speakers, and the political agenda.

    The following is the only mention of the turnout:
    But while the area immediately adjacent to the stage was packed, the mall remained largely empty. The California Highway Patrol declined to make a crowd estimate.

    They do mention the protest!
    A couple of blocks from the Capitol, a small group of protesters held signs saying, "Love," "I would rather be an atheist," and "Where do you get your hate?"

    One of the protesters, Ken Pierce, an activist with the gay-rights group Equality Action Now, said he felt hopeful after holding a long conversation with an event volunteer. Afterward, they exchanged e-mail addresses.

    "We are much more alike than different," said Pierce, 57, an office administrator and public relations consultant from Antelope. "That makes me happy."

  • 74. paul  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:32 am

    Thanks Eden…
    I just spoke with someone at KCRA. They informed me that the 5:00 pm version of the news covered the actual turnout numbers but the 11:00 pm version was edited down to what I saw. In either case, what I saw misrepresented the event and many others probably saw the same thing…so that's my real concern.

  • 75. ElsieH  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:33 am

    Re: Eden's update, KCRA and AP article. The Oakland Tribune has now picked up the AP article citing the largely unused areas of the lawn. I'd like to see an article reporting Engle's link to the C Street gang and The Call's activities in Uganda. Calling him controversial is far too mild. This is a dangerous man.

  • 76. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:34 am

    http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?menuid=1

    This is the video from Channel 10 news from Saturday… and they leaned heavily on the idea that 15,000 people were there, a sold out crowd. But the crowd on the field looks thin to me, and note how many empty rows of seats there are all through the video. If I had to guess, I would say there were considerable over-estimations on the total number in attendance.

  • 77. AndrewPDX  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:40 am

    ROFL!

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 78. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:42 am

    Wasn't this a 'free' event? No admission charge, right? So, we have a free Christian Rock concert held at a stadium on a Friday night. The assumption being that there will be at least one big name artist in the bunch of groups performing.

    I think we can understand the draw, here.

    Too bad the all-day vigil the following day didn't have the same appeal.

  • 79. AndrewPDX  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:44 am

    W00t!

    Let's hear it for the protesters! WTG!

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    ANdrew

  • 80. Monte  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:47 am

    Don't forget the pizza for the brave warriors in the registration tent… Thought the event was a, "fast" and not a "fest"!

  • 81. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:52 am

    And they did have "Offering Stations" which the crowds were invited (apparently repeatedly) to use to make donations.

  • 82. Lora  |  September 5, 2010 at 5:56 am

    The Sacramento Bee has some pictures of the event…with mention and a pic of the protest. They took tight shots so the crowd would look larger than it was..take a look:

    http://www.sacbee.com/2010/09/04/3006131/evangeli

  • 83. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:01 am

    There is also a slideshow of 21 photos of the event on the Sac Bee page.

  • 84. Ann S.  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:06 am

    What the heck were mounted officers of the California Highway Patrol doing handling the offering containers???

    The caption says they were "escorting" them or "securing" them — why the heck are they doing this???

  • 85. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:11 am

    Because there's so much money in them? Surely the faithful were generous in their support of vile invective from God?

  • 86. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:12 am

    Ann S

    For the same reason church offerings are collected from the front to the back–they don't trust the attendees to not try to steal the donations.

  • 87. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:13 am

    Okay, that didn't make sense. What I meant was, the offering is collected and then immediately locked up.

    At this event, the donations were collected, and then immediately protected.

  • 88. Carpool Cookie  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:17 am

    Yeah…I'd think it would be a Saturday when people had more time….that they could commute to Sacramento on Friday night after work, then attend the festivities the next day.

    Weird that, as it turned out, more attended on Friday night than on their day off (Saturday). I bet a bunch of them DID plan on going Fri. + Sat., then attended on Friday and thought "This is lame. I'm going to enjoy the weekend on my own."

  • 89. Sheryl Carver  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:23 am

    My dad was Catholic & mom converted because "that's how it was done" back then. Dad's parents were also French-Canadian, so he understood French. Neither my mom nor we kids did. There were many French-Canadians in our area, so there were lots of RCC churches having lots of Masses, with the non-Latin parts (this was in the 50s & 60s) in French or English, depending on that church's schedule.

    We HAD to attend Mass every Sunday, but for whatever reason it usually ended up around 11:00 AM & in FRENCH! Even as a little kid, this seemed borderline hypocritical – one must show up, but it doesn't matter if one understands anything being said.

    Fast forward to my junior year in high school. By then I'd had enough of the RCC's dogma & sanctimonious attitude. I told my parents I didn't want to go to church anymore. That went over like a lead balloon. (We lived 5 miles from church & all went together in the car, so I couldn't fudge it.)

    Finally, I resorted to passive-aggression – I got dressed in an old faded blouse & a skirt that didn't come close to coordinating. Even my brother, who barely noticed what HE was putting on, asked, "are you going to let her go like THAT?"

    Well, they did, probably thinking I'd be embarrassed. Nope! Any odd looks in my direction were ignored. I may have had to do the clothing routine one more time (the memory fades), but that was the end of it.

    I went back to Mass a couple times in my early 20s, thinking that perhaps my views were merely teenage rebellion. Nah! I could have been more tactful, but I've never, ever regretted getting out. Only that I'd been subjected to the RCC brainwashing in the first place.

  • 90. Carpool Cookie  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:25 am

    I think it's important to send an actual hard copy of a letter via snail mail to these senators (to anyone in power, actually). emails are a dime a dozen…….sit your @ss down, make a boilerplate doc you can personalize and adapt for each one, print them out, sign, and buy some g-damn STAMPS.

    Few people bother to do that these days, and I think the impact is higher than electronically "signing" some online petition or sending an email that takes 30 seconds.

    Buckle down and dig in, my friends. No one's saying you have to write the whole letter by hand.

    Kisses and hugs – – – – your friend, Cookie xoxo

  • 91. Ann S.  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:30 am

    OK, why is this the job of public employees to protect the offerings at a private religious event?

  • 92. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:43 am

    Very uplifting read. So good to read something positive by one of our elected representatives.

    And, the only way to end the stories of the many Bill and Marvins is to have marriage equality. And to have that equality recognized by the Federal Government.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 93. Kathleen  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:52 am

    The problem with snail mail is that there's no telling how long it will be before the letter actually makes it into the hands of the congressional staff. Ever since the anthrax attacks in 2001, everything goes through rigorous pre-screening and I've heard there can be significant delays before letters or packages are even allowed in the building.

  • 94. Kathleen  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:59 am

    Yes, I was kind of surprised by that too, Ann. I know that the private event organizers pay for the security. And I could understand the CHP standing by as security for whomever was carying the cash. But it did seem odd for the CHP to be actually handling the containers and signs themselves. I realize this is probably splitting hairs, but IMO it sends an inappropriate message. Providing security is one thing, actually being involved (which is what happens when they carry the offering trashcans) is another.

  • 95. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 5, 2010 at 7:02 am

    But when they inflate their numbers, they are not considering that to be bearing false witness. After all, they are counting the number of unreleased ova each female attendee has in her as an attendee, also, as they believe that you can hear their message prior to even being conceived.

  • 96. Ann S.  |  September 5, 2010 at 7:06 am

    Kathleen, I don't think it is splitting hairs at all. The CHP absolutely should not be involved this way. It makes it look as though the State officially approves of donating money to these people.

  • 97. Don in Texas  |  September 5, 2010 at 7:08 am

    It seems to me that CHP officers crossed a line by being bagmen for these self-deluded charlatans.

  • 98. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 7:10 am

    I am amused that the offering containers are garbage cans.

    The irony of throwing your money away on this sort of thing escapes most of the folk there, I would guess.

  • 99. Bob  |  September 5, 2010 at 7:30 am

    my most enjoyable church service ever, happened a few years ago, once I started attending the Anglican church in the gay ghetto in Vancouver Canada.

    what made it so enjoyable was not only that the bible stories were told with a different twist to what I was used to, but more important, on that cold rainy Sunday, a street person wondered in with his knapsack, and took up the pew directly behind me, he didn't smell the best , alcohol and nicotene etcl. but he winked at me, and stretched out in that empty pew, put his head on his knapsack, and dozed off, to the sound of hyms, choir sining, heard him snore while the sermon was preached, and I felt to good, thinking how appropriate for a stranger to find refuge on a cold rainy day, rest while being read to, and of course the singing, like a lullabye, after a good nap, he joined us in the church basement for sandwiches and coffee.

    I will never forget that service and the joy it brought me, because of the stranger in our midst.

    The Lutherans of my youth would have briskly escorted that stranger back onto the street, and out of site.

    It is a joy to celebrate free of the guilt offering's , being accepted for who you are not how you look.

    I like the churches that open their doors in winter for homeless to sleep in the pews.

  • 100. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 8:07 am

    @Sheryl Carver

    Your story and mine are almost identical… right down to the French Canadian father. Except that I learned French in school so I always understood the French/English part of the service.

    The break came for me when I was 14, and started taking Latin in school. And it dawned on me as well that it didn't matter to the Church whether I understood the service or not (I did know what the words meant, but that wasn't the point). I has a long list of things I didn't agree with, and in all the years since, the only one that changed, not long after I left, was the language of the liturgy. My parents didn't go to Church regularly (Christmas and Easter, if I recall), they just sent us because they were supposed to, so no one gave me grief when I left.

    When I did go back (not regularly) I went to an Anglican church (Episcopalian in the US), which has the familiar rituals, without the parts I didn't like, and a wonderful choir.

    You are also right about the brainwashing, although it didn't really take with me. When I was in my mid-twenties, I read The Exorcist. I finished it at 3 am (its was a good book), and I slept with the light on. My reaction was completely visceral, it just triggered so many things I'd learned as a child.

  • 101. Joan  |  September 5, 2010 at 8:36 am

    This story would benefit by including near the top WHAT TheCall is for those of us who did not know and had to look it up. Also needed for context is: how long ago it was planned, what's their history, why that community, how this fits into the overall picture of the anti-equal-marriage movement. Just some scope and context. Thanks

  • 102. Ben Dover  |  September 5, 2010 at 9:24 am

    I don't know, with their butts in the air like that, are you sure they were praying?

  • 103. Heath  |  September 5, 2010 at 9:52 am

    I'm a little late to this thread — been gone a good part of the day.

    I'd like to take exception to the idea that because they had more porta-johns and water than they actually used that there was a "turnout fail". (I'm not taking exception to the rest of the article, but this claim formed a major part of the article.)

    I've been an event planner, and one of the things I've learned in the business is that overplanning is 'cheaper' than underplanning. It costs less to rent an extra porta-john up front, for example, than it does to clean up the messes people make when there are too few porta-johns and they decide to 'improvise'. Erring on the side of having too many resources keeps the crowd happy and content; having too few resources (anyone remember Woodstock 99) leads to crowd discontent at a minimum, and violence if the situation goes unchecked for too long.

    I certainly don't support The Call's message, but I'll at least speak up to defend their choice to have an "optimistic" amount of water and toilets on hand.

  • 104. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Heath–I think the point that was being made was that they were expecting ten times the amount of people that actually showed up.

    They had provisions in place to accomodate 30,000. Even if they only expected half that number, and were erring on the side of having too much provision rather than too little, their actual gathering was still considerably less than what they anticipated.

    We're simply enjoying the fact that they didn't get the numbers they thought they would.

  • 105. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Working as an event planner myself, I would be inclined to agree with you, save for two things.

    When you overplan, you do it by 15% not 500% (***disclaimer, or whatever the math works out to, I am terrible at percentages***), and when you advertise that you are expecting 30,000 people, you have invited at minimum three times that and are really expecting at least 15,000 and hoping for at least 20,000. If you overplan as badly as this, it ends up looking like… well, like nobody showed up, just as it does here, which is not at all good for your image.

    So for them to have less than 6,000 is rather a bust.

  • 106. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 10:32 am

    LOL! Now for the spankings!!

  • 107. Sheryl Carver  |  September 5, 2010 at 10:55 am

    @Sagesse,

    I sometimes wonder why R. Catholics don't change to the Anglican/Episcopalian Church if they want the community & familiar ritual. While I know little about the A/E Church, it seems to be similar to the RCC without the organizational structure & dogma that, to me, is what permits & almost guarantees that those in power will abuse that power.

    However, as someone pointed out in another forum, religious identity is very important to many people, and often for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual religion they identify with. Sort of "our family has always been X."

    Also, if one has been taught that only followers of X can go to heaven, well, leaving X is a mighty big risk to take.

    So I really do understand it intellectually. We all are trying to muddle along as best we can, & if a person feels that belonging to X helps them, who am I to criticize? I WILL criticize anyone who tries to use the tenets of X as a hammer to beat others into conforming to their ideas of right & wrong.

  • 108. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 5, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Depends on what they were praying for!

  • 109. Heather Sheridan  |  September 5, 2010 at 11:06 am

    ok I am late to this show also been having a rather entertaining religious argument with a friend of mine who is a religious zealot of sorts who has taken to preaching to me on my equality and religious freedom postings. History I am a Cured Catholic, currently I am Wiccan/ Pagan as those are the closest to my beliefs. Anyone that wants to join is is welcome to friend me on facebook, all I ask is you keep it civil because I do value the friendship even if I do not appreciate the preaching. Oh and today I called her an updated version of a Jehovah's Witness that instead of ringing my door bell to preach uninvited to me she posts on my Facebook account. LOL. She really took offense to that. Here is my take on the event Notice the drummer in the jumbotron picture in picture 20. His face says he does not agree with Engle is saying at all and it really looks like he does not like him.Also I posted the following comment on the FB update but I am going to post it here also for all to see.

    Well it was scheduled on Labor Day Weekend the dumbasses didn't expect that people were going to answer a different call on this holiday weekend which was rest, relaxation and fun. Not going to some massive area to be preached to. Really wh…o are they trying to reach they are preaching to their choir these people already believe their message why waste the money why not spend it more effectively on advertising to reach a much larger audience more times then just one afternoon. Oh that's right, we are talking about the religious zealots they do not have the common sense God gave a goose.

  • 110. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 5, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Love this, Heather. Will be looking for you on FB! And you are not the only cured Catholic I know who is Wiccan.

  • 111. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 11:17 am

    I doubt very seriously that Engle had anything to do with any of the clean up; just like he probably didn't have anything to do with the set-up. I'm sure he has plenty of 'people' to do the grunt work for him.

  • 112. anonygrl  |  September 5, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Unlikely. They probably left them for the production company to pick up, in which case they go back into warehouse storage till the next event that the company does.

  • 113. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 11:18 am

    Does anyone know anything about Engle's formal education? I tried googling it, but couldn't find anything. But I'm lousy at research.

    I'm just curious…

  • 114. Sagesse  |  September 5, 2010 at 11:33 am

    @Sheryl Carver

    The Catholic church teaches that it is the one true faith, and if you don't belong to the one true faith, you will not go to heaven. That made no sense to me. Just because I happened to be born and baptized a Catholic, I got to go to heaven, but my neighbour who was born Jewish didn't. I didn't buy that the God they taught me about would work that way.

    That was on the list of things I disagreed with. It's hard for those who can't break those links.

    I also understand that for some, the grip of their religious convictions is so strong they can't pull back and question, and that's where the power of the guilt comes from.

  • 115. Episcopal Bear  |  September 5, 2010 at 11:41 am

    @ Sheryl Carver,

    Actually, there are a significant number of former Roman Catholics in the Episcopal Church in the US, folk who liked the RC ritual but detested the Vatican's bullshit. In fact, there's an unofficial quip in the ECUSA that about this : "All the ritual, half the guilt!"

  • 116. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 5, 2010 at 11:48 am

    @ Episcopal Bear: You are now on the ever growing list of P8TT family members who have given two gay Jews in Hope Mills, NC, a great big belly laugh! Mazel Tov!

  • 117. Sheryl Carver  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    @Sagesse: Funny – the "only RCCs go to heaven" was the first thing that made me seriously question what I was being taught. I think I was about 8 or so, preparing for my Confirmation. I came home after class, very upset, as my maternal grandmother was not Catholic. I was in tears because my "Grammy" wasn't going to heaven! She found out what was wrong & told me that God would let all good people into heaven. & she managed NOT to say anything bad about the RCC while doing it.

    I, on the other hand, got angrier & angrier over time. Fairness has always been a deeply held core value for me, even as a small child. And this "doctrine" was unfair on so many levels! I still believed in God, but I just couldn't see how a just god could prevent people from going to heaven just because they happened to belong to a different religion. "And what about people who lived where there weren't any priests?" I wondered.

    Of course, the more I learned over the years, the less I wanted anything to do with the RCC, cumulating in my leaving as described previously.

    I know many people find great strength & solace in the RCC. If it is a positive experience for them, that is good. However, I do feel sorry for those who only stay with the organization because they are too afraid to leave.

    @Episcopal Bear: Love the quip! Right on!

    One of my favorite bumper stickers read
    "Militant Agnostic: I don't know & you don't either"

    Of course, the problem is that the militant "true believers" are positive that they DO know, not just for themselves but for everyone. & therein lies the problem.

  • 118. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    This ongoing feud among the different denominations is quite puzzling; there are so many questions….

    1. How did those early Christians–you know, the ones that were living during the first 3-4 hundred years after Christ but before the Nicean Council–how did they live as Christians? Goodness, there were no denominations at all! You were either Christian…or….well, or NOT. Do they even count as real Christians?

    2. How will all those Christians from all the various denominations manage themselves living together in heaven?

    3. And if they're all going to get to heaven, then what the hell does it matter which one you belong to while on earth?

    Seriously, do Roman Catholics *really* believe that if you're not baptized into the RC church there's no way you can go to heaven? Do Baptists *really* believe that about their own denomination? What about Presbyterians, Lutherans, Assembly of God, First Church of Christ, Methodist….it goes on and on….

    If they were truly honest the answer would be 'no', they don't believe that. They certainly can't defend it using scripture. It's just one more way of saying, 'Yeah, but I'm better!'

    Foolishness.

  • 119. Sheryl Carver  |  September 5, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    @Linda:

    Unfortunately, it seems that at least some do believe their religion has a "lock" on heaven. Reminds me of this song from the 60s. (Hope this works, it's my first time trying to embed a video.)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WWsOUk9O5g&fe

  • 120. Elizabeth  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Bitching about opponents may make you feel better, but it isn't getting the job done. Time to figure out how to motivate your base. How do you do that?

  • 121. Linda  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Oh, I think we are motivating our base. That's the whole point of this 'bitching', and encouraging, and counseling, and laughing, and confessing. We are bonding; we are finding our strength in our unity. Believe me, we are quite motivated! :)

  • 122. Heather Sheridan  |  September 5, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Oh Elizabeth we ARE coming and it is going to be absolutely FABULOUS!!!!!!! (Finger snap, head bob)

  • 123. Greg in OZ  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Oh yes!

    We must have the spankings!!

    ROTFL

    Greg In Oz

  • 124. Bob  |  September 5, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    well said Heather, Elizabeth seems ignorant of the fact that the Call has done an amazing job of motivating our base, she has not seen the power of Rainbow People,

    this experience has rewarded us with another opportunity to speak Truth to Lies, help us remember what we survived and given us the opportunity to recount our passage, taking strength in the knowledge that none of it has dampened our spirits or dimmed our light, but given us the courage to move forward even stronger in our shared history, to make our contribution toward a healthier humanity.
    This misguided religious reicht, is not a new threat, nor is it one that is capable of growing and adapting, it brings courage to our cause to bring an end to discrimination, this is the purpose of the Rainbow Tribe, we are poised to expose these false prophets, and stop them in their wake of distruction.
    Hear the message, their numbers dwindle, discrimination against us will end. Rainbow power now.

    Elizabeth, are your ears deaf to the sound of motivation in the stories told, and the eagerness to march forward.

    There is no bitching here, but the ugliness of the truth makes it sound as such to the untrained ear, believe me we are not bitching, but merely telling our stories, honoring our journey, before moving forward, when we make the Call the world will be a better place, and we will be rewarded for our contribution. Watch and decide which side of history will you be on.

  • 125. Hanou  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Looking at the video of the pallets, I thought I counted 7 bottles along the long side of the cases, which confirms the 35 number from the post, and Guest's math.

  • 126. Heather Sheridan  |  September 5, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Yes we are getting to know each other sharing our stories making our battle plans, choosing our leaders. This fight will be coming your way Elizabeth. And when we come you will know it, You will see the Rainbow Brigade marching straight towards you. ANd let me tell you Missy Drag Queens are NOT people to be messed with. They may be men in drag but they will throw down with you in a heart beat and you will know they have been there by the spiked heel imprinted somewhere one your body as they step on you to get over you in victory and on to the next battle.

  • 127. Marlene  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    This begs the question: did Engle and his cronies to the *real* Christian thing and donate all those cases of water to the local homeless and domestic violence shelters?

  • 128. Marlene  |  September 5, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Me three!!!

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  • 130. Barbara  |  September 6, 2010 at 3:28 am

    This is the BEST news I've heard in a while! Lou Engle's major fail-o-rama-dama-ding-dong. I'm glad that the young people of Ca. didn't fall for this cross between a Nuremburg rally and a Christian arena rock concert.

    The only problem is that Lou's act is going to do a LOT better in Middle America and the South.

    Plus, gay-hater Lou Engle is STILL Palin's BFF.

  • 131. Ellie  |  September 6, 2010 at 6:53 am

    Hatred is hatred ,whether it is directed toward the gay community
    or the Muslim community.
    Getting so tired of all the prejudice & hatred!

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  • 133. Kel Munger  |  September 7, 2010 at 2:42 am

    The permits for the event (which I got for a story) said that they expected 50,000. Our reporter put the actual attendance between five and six thousand.

    The Bee (local daily) actually picked up on the political implications of Lou Engle in their story on Saturday—they must have read my story from Thursday (http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/content?oid=1594144), because prior to Saturday, all their coverage referred to it as a "religious revival."

    Also, the Bound4LIFE folks were walking through the downtown-Midtown area and praying to "bind" the spirit of abortion, then leaving lovely little LIFE stickers at all the spots they prayed at. What fun.

  • 134. LAMMY WEISMAN  |  September 7, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    I USUALLY REFER TO THE FOLKS THAT ATTEND THESE
    GATHERINGS AS 'FUNDAMENTALIST DIMWITS'. THEY HAVE BEEN FLEECED BY THEIR FLOCK-MASTERS.
    IT REALY IS CREEPY & SADO-MASOCHISTIC AS IN BDSM. LOOKS LIKE THIS TIME THE ORGANIZERS 'FLOCKED' THEMSELVES!
    PRIDE GOETH BEFORE A FALL.

  • 135. Ronnie  |  September 9, 2010 at 7:26 am

    Marlene (I know I'm late to this thread) but I was just going to post about that…I just got done reading this)…."55,450 unused water bottles,"……I'm sure those in Haiti could still use some of that water….. : / ….Ronnie

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