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VIDEO: One-time Pride Queen Karyme Lozano trades in her rainbow boa for a nice NOM button

NOM Exposed NOM Tour Tracker-California Right-wing

By Adam Bink

Here’s Karyme Lozano, Mexican telenovela star, in 2008:

That was at the San Francisco Gay Pride parade, where she was crowned Queen.

Here’s Karyme Lozano on tour with Vota Tus Valores:

I especially like the comparison of sexual orientation and the desire to go after one of the same sex to the temptation to go after “chocolate.”

The other thing about Lozano is that you can tell why they’re not letting her talk anymore. If you watch Lozano’s reaction to the news that her tour sponsor, NOM, spends millions to deny the freedom to marry to same-sex couples, and how that may conflict with her statement that she’s not trying to be judgmental, it seems she is, with respect, (a) fairly ignorant of what actually is going on with respect to who NOM is and what they do (b) concerned about alienating her fans and gay friends.

You watch her grimacing and her confused, murmured responses to Arisha’s points about that and it certainly comes across that Lozano doesn’t want to be seen as an “activist standing up boldly for traditional marriage” activist in the NOM mold. If they let her interact with us, she might actually end up saying something way off-message.

What do you think of her?

UPDATE BY EDEN: In the comments, Daniel Morales just reported:

Karyme Lozano just announced on twitter that she is leaving the tour right after Fresno… Was she fired? will she not finish the day’s campaign?

(Translation: Fresno is my last stop on the bus tour and then hone. Yeah! I will see my mom, my baby and my own bed!

@karymelozano Fresno es ml uTlma parada del bus tour, y. Ahl. Caslta! Yey! Voy a ver a ml maa a ml baby y Ml camlta!

Sidenote: she sent several tweets begging people to come see her in Fresno but nobody replied…

213 Comments

  • 1. Mark M (Seattle)  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:23 am

    Hypocrite money grubber is all she is

  • 2. Ronnie  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:25 am

    ay dios mio…..(did i spell that right….I am horrible at spanish..even though I grew up with it from my abuela….I'm thinking of taking some more spanish lessons) …..anywho…NOM FAIL MUCHO!!!!……<3…Ronnie

  • 3. Ronnie  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:27 am

    correction…i'm thinking of taken some actual classes on spanish or maybe getting that Rosetta Stone program….<3…Ronnie

  • 4. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:28 am

    Ahhhhh, she played the "gay friend" card! Booooooooo!

    No badges for you!!

  • 5. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:28 am

    People will sometimes do anything they think will get them publicity and photo ops, without any initial concern about their overall image. Then when they see their popularity suffer, they realize the mistakes they have made. I think this will be the case with Karme and her association with NOM.

  • 6. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:29 am

    sub-human-scribing

  • 7. Judy  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:30 am

    At first when asked about her gay stance all she could talk about was abstinence. How many times did she use that word? Here's another person who equates being gay with having sex.

  • 8. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:30 am

    I know nothing about her. She looks much happier in the parade picture than talking in front of that bus, though.
    Yeah, I just wanted to say more than "subbing".

  • 9. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:31 am

    Sorry NOM – she is NO lady gaga!

  • 10. StraightForEquality  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:32 am

    Subscribing.

  • 11. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:34 am

    Whoa….If I was Karme I would RUN AWAY from Louis and Alfonzo….talk about controlling! YIKES! thank you Arisha for being persistent to finally get someone from this tour to talk….honking the bus horn…wow…just shaking head…

    p.s. Karme – I don't know who encouraged(lide)for you to go on this tour but preventing LGBTQ persons from marrying is precisely NOM's purpose!

  • 12. BradK  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:36 am

    What is this obsession that people like Ms. Lozano and, of course, Mags have with imposing "traditional" restrictions on the rest of us while they bring illegitimate children into the world? Sorry, but "finding Jesus" (or Glenn Beck) doesn't fly as an excuse.

    She may not be as full of the pure hatred that some of the other more dedicated NOM'ers seem to be, but she definitely seems not to have thought this through. Or considered that NOM is using her a a tool and just a pretty face (which isn't that hard when you're riding the ugly bus).

    As far as Alfonso and his rudeness goes, you can just smell the fear inside that he tries desperately — and increasingly unsuccessfully — to contain. I see a total meltdown on the near horizon.

  • 13. Sagesse  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:36 am

    From Americans United for Separation of Church and State

    Iowa Church’s Election Campaign Against State Supreme Court Justices Merits IRS Investigation
    http://www.au.org/media/press-releases/archives/2

    And subscribing

  • 14. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:36 am

    "Like homo for chocolate"

  • 15. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:38 am

    Yeah, remember when Dylan decided he was a born-again christian (didn't he start out as a Jew???), and then nobody bought those recordings? So he came back to where his money stream is.

  • 16. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:38 am

    LIED

  • 17. TPAKyle  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:39 am

    FYI: Karyme's facebook page contains all sorts of contact info.
    http://www.facebook.com/lozanokaryme

    I'll be saying hello and letting her know how I feel about her choices and my future plans for supporting her music career.

  • 18. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:43 am

    Kate…Sounds like more fun! (re: looming "meltdown" of Alfonso). good comments BradK

  • 19. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:47 am

    Oh my. I bet they called her on the carpet after they finally got her dragged back on to the bus. Arisha, a few minutes longer, and she would have been joining our group in the little red car instead! And the second millions of dollars to deprive a group of civil rights comes up, all those bodyguards jump into action.

  • 20. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:52 am

    You won't get far. All the posts I've seen there so far are full of god and her "conversion" and so on.

  • 21. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:53 am

    There's always the next stop…

  • 22. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:54 am

    Arisha, go for the toaster oven!

  • 23. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:55 am

    Interesting — I noticed that when she asks Alfonso (in Spanish) how to say "sexual preference," she did so using the polite form of addressing him. UNLIKE how they address total strangers all over the sides of That Bus.

  • 24. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:57 am

    double BOO! (gay friend card)

  • 25. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:58 am

    Looks like most people want to stay very far away from the bus – except the bus riders and driver.
    http://tusvalores.com/en/news/161-photos-modesto-

  • 26. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:59 am

    Jeez. And their donors fall for this stuff.

  • 27. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:59 am

    LLB is on a roll! your comments making LOL today!

  • 28. Bobw  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:59 am

    Here's her facebook page. Go to it.
    http://www.facebook.com/lozanokaryme#!/lozanokary

  • 29. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:00 am

    !!!!!!

  • 30. Cassie  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:20 am

    Does anyone know where the bus is going? I tried to find a list of planned stops but I couldn't find one. I want to know if they're coming somewhere that I can get to easily. Will someone send me a link or the actual list where they're stopping?

  • 31. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:22 am

    http://tusvalores.com/en/bus-tour.html
    There you are, Cassie!

  • 32. Kathleen  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:29 am

    Great to see you here, Cassie. In theory, this is their schedule: http://tusvalores.com/en/bus-tour/bus-route–date

    But as you may have seen from the posts, they're not exactly living up to their commitments. :)

  • 33. Anonygrl  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:32 am

    Although to be clear about it, that is only where they SAY they will be stopping. They seem to have missed more stops than they have actually hit.

  • 34. Mark M (Seattle)  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:35 am

    Except for their commitment to be a royal pain in the a$$
    LOL

  • 35. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:37 am

    "They seem to have missed more stops than they have actually hit."

    Ha! I can't wait to see the final tally at the end. I'm betting more than 50/50 but less than 60/40, just a little more than half. More if you count being late or doing nothing but shouting impotently at the opposition.

    I keep thinking that I'll be leaving home about the same time they'll be passing (or taking) the turnoff to 152 for Los Banos. I'd love a last minute update or something to know which road they take.

  • 36. Felyx  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:44 am

    Ronnie, spend three month in an exclusively Spanish speaking country like Mexico, Venezuela or Hialeah…. you will be very conversant!

  • 37. Felyx  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:45 am

    Is she saying that she does not support imposing chastity on gays?

    If only…

  • 38. Felyx  |  September 30, 2010 at 6:47 am

    She is so getting used… sad!

    From Princesa to Pendeja… I can't watch!

  • 39. Alan E  |  September 30, 2010 at 7:17 am

    Still in meetings. Will need beer at the end of the day.

  • 40. Daniel Morales  |  September 30, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Karyme Lozano just announced on twitter that she is leaving the tour right after Fresno… Was she fired? will she not finish the day's campaign?

    (Translation: Fresn is my last stop on the bus tour and then hone. Yeah! I will see my mom, my baby and my own bed!

    @karymelozano Fresno es ml uTlma parada del bus tour, y. Ahl. Caslta! Yey! Voy a ver a ml maa a ml baby y Ml camlta!

    Sidenote: she sent several tweets begging people to come see her in Fresno but nobody replied…

  • 41. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 7:52 am

    They're posting photos of their big ol' crowd in Stockton:
    http://tusvalores.com/en/news/160-photos-stockton

  • 42. JonT  |  September 30, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Boy they really wanted to shut her up at the end didn't they.

    Oh, and Triple-Boo! for the 'gay friend' defense.

    Motion carries, Boo passes.

  • 43. Timothy Kincaid  |  September 30, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Wow, they REALLY didn't want her to think about what she was saying. Go testify of the "transformation" but as soon as you talk facts then it's time to honk the horn.

  • 44. Timothy Kincaid  |  September 30, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Today they are heading to Los Baños.

    Really? There really is a California town called The Bathrooms?

  • 45. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 30, 2010 at 8:31 am

    She's the young woman I talked with yesterday, who after checking with another gentleman, assured me they would be at the park in Alameda. She seemed very nice. But, then, as far as they knew I was a supporter of Carly's.

    I did note that at the end of the interview she stated that she supported traditional marriage, marriage between one man and one woman. So she seems to expect that all of those wonderful gay friends of hers will be celibate for life while she can find someone and get married and enjoy that aspect of her life again.

    If she is not lesbian, why was she crowned Gay Pride Queen? I'd think that privilege would go to a member of the LGBT community. Just confused about that and would appreciate the clarification.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 46. Ray in MA  |  September 30, 2010 at 8:31 am

    She left her child for this?!?!

  • 47. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Well, they like to say it means "the Baths", but yes — Los Baños. I think I'd rather live in Los Gatos. Or Los Altos. Or most anywhere else.

  • 48. Dave P.  |  September 30, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Hi Sheryl!

    You don't have to be gay to be selected for something like that. There have been several straight allies selected for Grand Marshall, etc. I don't think I've ever heard of her before now, but I'm assuming at one time she did something that earned her that honor.

    But as she said in the interview, she went through some big changes in her outlook on life in the past couple of years and she sure doesn't seem like anyone who would deserve anything like that these days. Now she just seems like all the other folks with vague anti-gay sentiments concealed under blurry logic and sloppy thinking. That lady owes us an apology and one feather boa.

  • 49. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Baño was a word before bathrooms were invented. Basically it means an area to bathe.

  • 50. Dave P.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:03 am

    I emailed my mom and one of my sisters about my recent adventures waiting for NOM in Alameda, and I pointed out that the tour will soon be heading to Huntington Beach and Santa Ana, where my mom & sister live.

    My sister, a fabulous straight ally (as are all three of my sisters as well as my 80-year old mom) just wrote back to me to tell me that she will be attending the Santa Ana event to protest NOM, bringing all the right accessories like 'No on 8' signs etc. This really made my day. Love you, Jen !

  • 51. Kathleen  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Well done, Dave's family!

  • 52. book in Tracy  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:05 am

    I couldn't help wonder that she needed help with "sexual preference" (my English isn't very good), but she was terribly articulate in every other way!

  • 53. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Yay for Dave's mom and sis! Be sure them to "look equaltiy," or Alfonso will jump all over an 80-year old with his assumptions.

    Dear VotaBus [sic]:

    Thank you for giving so many of us at P8TT this opportunity to get to meet each other. I just wish I were one of the ones who have had this happy opportunity.

    Kate
    (who is enjoying these in-person friendships vicariously)

  • 54. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Re-reading, Dave, I see they already thought of the No on 8 signs — hurray!

    Ann, I sense some more merit badges will be needed….

  • 55. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:11 am

    I wondered about that, too, Book. I had the impression she was stalling for time or trying to have Alfonso get her out of that question. Her English is leagues better than my Spanish, but I would have definitely arrived with the words appropriate to the "cause" praciticed and ready to go.

    My favorite part of the video was when she covered her ear and glared at the horn-honker in the bus, as she was on a roll at that point.

  • 56. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:11 am

    More merit badges will definitely be in order. Already I think the badges for Planning in Advance and Being Prepared are in order. Jen and the rest of Dave's family, please wear them with pride!

  • 57. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Yes — issued in advance (which is definitely appropriate, given their nature), Dave's family can wear them to the actual event. Eat your hearts out, NOMbies.

  • 58. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:14 am

    WHY can't I get these in the correct places???

  • 59. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:14 am

    No "Accurate Use of the Reply Button" for Kate….

  • 60. Carpool Cookie  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Not that I move in those circles, but there have been some born again porn stars, too…one (or all) of the Rockland Brothers? I think they formed some sort of informal group to help each other pray they wouldn't return to the "gay-for-pay" projects. (I'm serious!)

    Don't know how that worked out for them…

  • 61. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:17 am

    It's OK — we read you loud and clear!

  • 62. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:18 am

    The strange thing is, I am CERTAIN that I am clicking in the correct place but that the posts go awry. Let's see where this one ends up……

  • 63. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Right on target with that one. Here's your badge for Accurate Use of the Reply Button.

  • 64. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Do any of our Trackies in Pursuit know how this bus in laid out inside? (I guess we might have to ask those little kids that Alfonso hustled into its bowels yesterday.) Surely they aren't all sleeping in there when they could be charging very expensive lodging to the donor stream? My guess is that the interior is covered wall-to-wall with refrigerators for all that beer they're consuming.

  • 65. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Careful, Ann; you may not want to award that to me quite this soon…….

  • 66. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:24 am

    There, you did it accurately again! Now don't go asking for a second badge for the same thing, that's not the way it works.

  • 67. Brandy S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Look missy… Karyme.. who ever the crap you are…

    Just because you used to be some delinquent pervert without constraint doesn't homosexuals are. My wife and I certainly are not… I LOVE MY WIFE AND SHE LOVES ME.. thats it.. no wild sex parties where we gather all the ladies in the area for some homo conversion to swell our armies..

    Eff you…

    Shes a bit self righteous and full of it hu?

    I am sick of people being so damn condescending and giggling while they explain what a freak of nature we are and how perfect they are. And how they are doing the lords work..
    I think about it, and if loving my wife and being good to the people in my life means I go to hell… If doing what I can to make this world worth being part of means I go to hell..
    Bring it.. I am not going to be part of some destructive hate mongering brain washing organization (religion) that gets me a magic ticket into an eternity with those freaks!

    I think I am gunna have some margaritas tonight and chill out a bit.

  • 68. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:28 am

    No, no — I'll be lucky enough to be able to keep this up long enough to truly earn that first one.

  • 69. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Look, that's the third one in a row. That really cements it.

  • 70. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:30 am

    pass the salt………. we'll join you.

  • 71. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Make mine no-salt, please. But I'm in. Brandy, you said it!

  • 72. Bennett  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Just ask her why non promiscuous gay people should not be allowed to get married? I am sure the reason will be priceless if you can get it.

  • 73. Freddy  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:35 am

    OTOTOT,
    Don't know if there is any truth here or how much it will cause problems but…..

    From JoemyGod

    Anti-Immigrant Group Calls For Arrest Of Meg Whitman And Her Housekeeper

    The Americans For Legal Immigration (ALIPAC) have issued a press release calling for the arrests of Meg Whitman and her former housekeeper for violating employment and immigration laws.

    "We need equal justice for both the illegal alien and the employer," said William Gheen, President of ALIPAC. "Nicky Diaz should be charged and deported and Meg Whitman should face the existing penalties under current US law as well. No Amnesty for Whitman or Diaz, the Rule of Law must be restored in America." Nicki Diaz gave a tearful interview to reporters today, accompanied by Gloria Allred, a longtime Democratic supporter. Diaz claims that Whitman, a Republican candidate for Governor of California, knew she was an illegal alien and was abusive to her and failed to pay her all her wages. Diaz cried through most of the interview in what was an obviously contrived display of political theater. "Best illegal alien actor award of 2010 should go to Nicki Diaz for her role as the tearful victimized invader," said William Gheen. "Meg Whitman's financial gain from the movie rights should be seized by the courts to compensate the American taxpayers who have paid the price for her illegal laborer over the years."

    ALIPAC is pissed at Whitman over her support for comprehensive immigration reform.

    The American public has indicated in numerous scientific polls that well over 80% of Americans want employers like Meg Whitman heavily fined. Over 50% want the employers of illegals, like Whitman, jailed. Americans have also shown overwhelming support for the arrest, detention, and deportation of illegal immigrants like Nicki Diaz. Both the US Constitution and the existing laws of Congress mandate that both Whitman and Diaz should be charged and treated equally under those laws. "We stand with the majority of American citizens who want our existing border and immigration laws enforced!" said William Gheen. "Therefore we call on all appropriate authorities to arrest and charge both Meg Whitman and Nicki Diaz."

  • 74. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:38 am

    The LA Times has a bit on this:
    http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2010/09/meg-

  • 75. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Brandy S, as you all know, I'm a Mormon Christian (most Christians don't consider us Christians because of how we believe that the Trinity is 3 separate beings not just one manifesting in 3 different ways and because we believe in modern day revelation and have the Book of Mormon as a companion to the Holy Bible), and I firmly believe that Jesus is not as concerned with one's sexual orientation as he is with how you live your life and I think you described a very Christ-like way of living. I'm guessing that people like you will enter the Kingdom of God way before the bigots who want to push you back into the closet and deny you all rights. I say that because we've all seen the evidence that marriage is not the only thing they want to eliminate.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 76. E from Sarasota  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Arisha, Thank you so very much for what you are doing. You are shining the light on them and they are dodging as fast as roaches.

  • 77. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Thanks for the explanation, Dave. I appreciate your helping me understand.

    So, anyone know her level of support to receive such an honor? Guess a little internet research on my part is warranted.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 78. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:54 am

    I'd like to know that, too. I think our own Mormon Mom would have been a far-better choice.

  • 79. Brandy S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Exactly Bennett!!

    And what does she want those of us who have already committed before her lord and savior, the sweet baby Jesus himself, to love and take care of each other till death do us part. What is her brilliant plan for that?

    Adopting a bigot mindset is quite liberating I guess.. because you never have to think things through or use any form of logic… or even recognize when you cause harm and spread hate while smiling!

    Is it 6:30 yet?!?!

  • 80. Freddy  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Kate, could this have any implications on her run for the governors seat?

  • 81. Mark M (Seattle)  |  September 30, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Mine do that all the time too Kate…..no worries :-)

  • 82. Brandy S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Sorry,
    I really don't mean to rip on christianity specifically but it really does seem that organized religion has always brought more harm than good… the organization bit, not the individuals intent (if that makes sense.)

    As far as how you think it will turn out, I am down with that. I would prefer it to be that way. I feel quite comfortable saying I am a positive influence in this world and if I gotta answer for the things I've done, I can do it without shame.

    My problem lies when some organization can say all my efforts and actions are moot because the best part of my life goes against their money making scheme. It's sick right..

  • 83. Cassie  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Thank you!!! I'm kinda bummed, tho. They were here in Stockton this morning before I knew. Bummer. :(

    Oh well, I was in class.

  • 84. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Not known yet, but I'm sure hoping so, Freddy. Unfortunately the attorney on this is known to be a bit overreactive at times. Cross your fingers.

  • 85. nightshayde  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:38 am

    So many snarky comment possibilities…

    *self-censors*

    *goes back to pretending to work*

  • 86. Wyoming Elmo  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Hey all, first time poster – don't get your hopes set too high for too many of my posts…I barely have time to read everything on the site (and I still am way behind :-P).

    However, I did want to ask if I was the only one hoping that she was secretly infiltrating NOM for us to take them down by revealing all their dark and shady secrets from the inside?

  • 87. nightshayde  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Ann – I'll take your salt.

    *puts out a platter of hummus, baby brie, pita chips, and pita crackers*

    I'm not sure my snacks really go with margaritas, but I'm willing to take that gamble.

  • 88. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Ok, I survived. That's the important part. I learned two important lessons before I was halfway there. First that I am not getting enough exercise, and second that today was not good weather to try to fix that. There's not much of a story to tell, but I'll tell it with as little hyperbole as possible.

    Arriving 15 minutes late, I saw no sign of a tour bus but did locate a vending machine with overpriced but blissfully cold soft drinks. I found a tree to wait under as I drank my soda and surveyed the scene. Across the parking lot, leaning against the shady side of the gas station, were about a dozen people waving red, white & blue fans in a futile effort to keep cool. I'm not certain but I think several of them left while I was waiting.

    At 3:05 I'd been there 20 minutes, my soda was long gone, and I was thinking that muscles out of practice were likely to cramp on me if I let them cool off too much and then tried to ride home. (Which happened, BTW) Then there it was, with little red car in hot pursuit.

    They set up and played some forgettable music. (Santana?) I introduced myself to Arisha and James Tuttle, who can give a better report, I'm sure. I'd love to say I was my usual charming and engaging self, but really at that point I was exhausted. I didn't do much but lean on the bike and sweat the entire time I was there. More supportee than supporter.

    Alfonso made the usual boring speech & Karyme informed us that God was on her side. The most interesting thing going on was a woman dancing around with a Boxer sign, chanting and singing and yelling. She really stole the show. Everyone else was the usual sort of audience you get for most of the year in Fresno; keeping to the shade as much as possible and fixing the speaker with a sort of attentive glare that says "I'm listening, but hurry up and get to the point so I can sit down someplace air conditioned and have a cold drink."

    All in all fairly anti-climactic. I wanted to stick around to watch them try to get the bus out, but I noticed that A) I was drenched in sweat, & B) my water bottle was more than half empty, which added up to C) I was not only bloody miserable but in serious danger of heatstroke on the ride home. So I came back and had the best cold shower of my life. The End.

  • 89. Kathleen  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Jonathan, thanks for the report and I'm glad you made it home safely! This heat is nothing to mess around in. I'm sure Ann has some very special merit badges for you.

  • 90. nightshayde  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Welcome to P8TT, Wyoming Elmo!

    Have some fresh-baked cookies and MILK … or we're having snacks and margaritas up the thread a bit. =)

    I haven't been able to see the video (work blocks most video), but I'm guessing she's not quite sharp enough to perform as a quality mole. I hope I'm wrong.

  • 91. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Excellent report, Jonathan! You are hereby awarded badges for Concise Yet Detailed Reporting, Extreme Sports, and Self-Awareness. Please wear them with pride.

  • 92. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Yeahhhh Jonathan! I am sorry about the heat, but happy that you made it back home and are safe and cooled off a bit.

    Congrats on the Badge!

  • 93. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Jonathan, you are my hero! There isn't a NOMbie on this planet who would go through what you did for their cause. But look what you endured for OUR cause. Many, many thanks.

  • 94. Wyoming Elmo  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Well you know, one can hope…and after the week I've had can i have all 4?

  • 95. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:52 am

    This is what They posted about this stop in Fresno:

    once again, a very energetic stop and a chance to meet up with locals and talk with them about voting their values! 1 more today!

  • 96. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Of course! Just graze your way through the threads and help yourself to any goodies being offered.

  • 97. JonT  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Hehe, nice job Jonathan.

    As a bike rider myself, it is important to do it often – skipping a week really hurts the next week.

    Also, bring shit-tons of water :) Learned that lesson too on a 30 mile trip on the trail where I brought 1 freakin water bottle in 90+ heat.

    Not fun :)

    Glad you made it back.

  • 98. nightshayde  |  September 30, 2010 at 10:55 am

    ♫ You think the only people who are people
    are the people who look and think like you.
    But if you walk the footsteps of a stranger,
    you'll learn things you never knew you never knew. ♫

    If only some of the NOMbies would walk the footsteps of GLBT strangers…

    (Sorry — listening to Disney music & that's one of my favorite passages of any song anywhere)

  • 99. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Thank you Ann, I certainly will!

    (At one point in the ride I checked the time: It was 2:35 and I was still about a mile away. First thought that runs through my head, "Well, so much for the 'promptness' badge.")

  • 100. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:07 am

    "a very energetic stop"

    Oh, that's rich! The only energetic part of the whole thing was the lady with the Boxer sign!

  • 101. Mark M  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Only those that abuse and distort religion for personal gain are the problem…..Christianity in and of itself is not the problem.

  • 102. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Jonathan, how many of their supporters do you think were there? How many protesters? The dancing Boxer sign sounds wonderful.

    I love this that you wrote!
    “Well, so much for the ‘promptness’ badge.”

  • 103. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Gah! JonT I feel dehydrated just reading that!

    What I usually do is keep my routes near parks and other places with public fountains. So I only carry one bottle, but can constantly refill it. As a bonus, the water spends less time heating up in the bottle, though that often doesn't matter in Fresno.

  • 104. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Official P8TT Nalgene bottles for Jonathan and JonT are hereby issued.

  • 105. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Jonathan, you were very honest about being a bit late, so I just couldn't award you that promptness badge, sorry. But this is the first Extreme Sports badge I've awarded!

  • 106. Linda  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Karyme, Karyme, Karyme….

    Oh so glad you've got your life straightened out; how wonderful for you.

    So…..you're for traditional marriage….but not against anything….

    And you're abstinent now…..and so everyone should be…..

    And you still have gay friends….who you love…and who love you……

    And gosh, you're much happier now that you've had your conversion…….

    Therefore, everyone should live according to what you now believe.

    Did I get it right?

  • 107. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Kate it's difficult for me to get a good count because I'm not sure who's bus staff and who's friendly audience. James may have paid more attention, and I'm sure Arisha will have a head count for us.

    My best guess is twelve or less. In the opposition we had dancing Boxer lady, and James and myself for equality.

  • 108. Tomato  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:27 am

    I have to wonder if she is leaving because she found out (via the intrepid P8TT team) what the bus tour is really all about.

  • 109. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Of course not, Ann, I don't want it until I can earn it!

    I got a late start due to an argument with my mother over the route I should take. In the future I'll be less subtle: "Mom, as the owner of a fine, air-conditioned automobile with excellent gas mileage, what route do you think I should use as I ride my cheap bicycle that's missing teeth on half its sprockets across this unfriendly-to-non-cars city in the sweltering heat?"

  • 110. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:28 am

    It does seem to be the right timing…. Wouldn't that be the BEST.

  • 111. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:29 am

    "Official P8TT Nalgene bottles for Jonathan and JonT are hereby issued."

    Ooh, sweet!

  • 112. Kathleen  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:30 am

    There MUST be a merit badge in there somewhere. LOL

  • 113. Tomato  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Dave, your family is wonderful! Tell them I say "Thank You!"

  • 114. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:31 am

    http://www.youtube.com/principlesinaction

    Watch this space. This is where they claim to be uploading videos tomorrow. (No doubt after they dash out to mash some up tonight.)

  • 115. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Also impeding my head count is the fact that I'm a terrible photographer. Only five pictures and you can't see anyone clearly? Dad must be rolling in his urn.

  • 116. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:39 am

    It's Banos, no ~. So the Baths. Incidentally, while there are many easy jokes about the name of that town, don't ever say any of them in public while you're there. Remind me to show you the scar sometime…

  • 117. Kate  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:41 am

    I was just being correct in Spanish, Jonathan…..

  • 118. Tomato  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:42 am

    The brilliant plan on our part is to adopt the methods used by the scandalously and radically liberal Jesus (aka Yeshua ben Yosuf) and -to paraphrase- "Keep Calm and Carry On."

    Jesus was no fool. He knew there would be idiots who would preach hatred in his name. (little did he know it would come so quickly as Simon Peter and Paul) Keep calm in the face of their power-loving hatred. If you follow Jesus, feel free to tell the haters how they need to let the love of Jesus back into their hearts.

    As Jesus did, we much teach by example.

    (and if you need the comfort of scripture, please see http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/ )

    BTW: Tomato is not a Christian, but does think Yeshua ben Yosuf was a pretty awesome dude.

  • 119. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Sounds like a pretty accurate interpretation to me.

    And, now that plug for the P8TT gathering on Oct. 15 at the Bayfront Theater in the Fort Mason Center in SF. Please let me know by Oct. 8 if you are coming and if you are bringing spouse and/or friend(s). When I give him a headcount, son will see if he can get us discount tickets. e-mail me at sheryl.beckett@gmail.com

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 120. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    I Second that! I vote MM (Mormon Mom Sheryl) to be grand marshall of SF! We Love you Sheryl!

  • 121. Linda  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    They're 'inactive' alright. :)

  • 122. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Thank you Jonathan H for effort and excellent report ! I'm a cyclist too..commute about 15 miles each way to work…..Highly recommend a small backpack that holds water with hose to drink. CamelBak used to be the only (expensive) option, but now generic ones can be found in Army Stores, Costco or Walmart, not so expensive.

    Keep up the riding! And reporting!

  • 123. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    They bought her off. Just like they were chanting at one of the earlier stops.

  • 124. Gregory in Salt Lake City  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Thank you! I’ve been waiting for this!

  • 125. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CTPLUcQAjk

  • 126. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Um yeah, don't raise your children to be nice…???
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3KFwjZntyw

  • 127. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    obliterate…lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYxWSw8rV44

  • 128. Ann S.  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Right. I know the phenomenon of the non-exercising mom telling you the best way to exercise (or get somewhere by bike). I had an argument once with my mother about why I wanted a jogging stroller (I don't know why, I wasn't asking her to buy it). She argued that the extra weight would slow me down and therefore it would be less effective as exercise. I tried to explain that the extra weight made it more exercise, but she wouldn't buy it. And to think she once taught science while student teaching. Fortunately the rest of her career involved social sciences.

    Jonathan, I hereby award you merit badges for Diplomacy, Budgeting Resources, and Fuel Conservation.

  • 129. Linda  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Love it! You know, being an elem. music teacher I play a lot of music for my students. It's mostly classical, but occasionally I'll slip a recording of this song in; and oh! You should see their faces light up! Ha!

  • 130. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    OOPs (Don't read this NOMbie's)

    The Greatest Story Never Told, Part I: When Did The Writ Hit The Fan For Other Homophobic Pastors?

    So here's a rundown of evangelical homosexual scandals in the last half decade:

    Known as the first "Jesus Freak," Lonnie Frisbee was a self-styled Pentecostal "prophet." He actually some success as an evangelist, despite his appearance. He became THE key person of the Jesus Movement and was instrumental in establishing both Calvary Chapel and Vineyard Movement denominations.

    Lonnie felt the righteous wrath of God, however, when both churches disowned him because of his homosexual behaviour. Lonnie continued to preach up to his death from AIDS in 1993.

    An Emmy-nominated documentary about Frisbee titled "Frisbee the Life and Death of a Hippie Preacher" received numerous accolades and was released in 2007………………

    More: http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/The-Greatest-S

  • 131. Wyoming Elmo  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Well thank you – like I said, being in school for an Engineering related discipline is kind of a time suck so no promises on being as prolific as some of the posters…but yeah…

    And I've always felt that acting like you are a little slow would be the perfect way to infiltrate – no one is going to look at you and go "oh you must be a mole"…..ah well, a guy can hope.

  • 132. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    I noticed this yesterday… but saw it again today. In my GMail email account it puts an ad at the top, above the emails…here is what is there : )

    Jelly Beans 49 Flavor Mix – NutsOnline.com/JellyBelly49Flavors – Delicious Assortment of Premium Jelly Beans. Only $6.99.lb or Less!

  • 133. RebeccaRGB  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Coverage of the stop in Napa yesterday by the Napa Valley Register:

    A surprise 'welcome' for GOP bus tour

    A bus courting Latino voters for Republican Senate candidate Carly Fiorina pulled up at Napa’s Fuller Park on Wednesday morning expecting to be greeted by local GOP supporters.

    There wasn’t a single Fiorina supporter in sight.

    Instead, riders with Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles were greeted by a raucous crowd of Democrats chanting support for Fiorina’s Democratic opponent, Sen. Barbara Boxer.

    More: http://bit.ly/cTuEUt

  • 134. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Wow, thanks RebeccaRGB (btw, your link to pictures earlier didn't work, can you relink?)

    Fiorina is anti-abortion and does not want to expand the definition of marriage to include same-sex unions, literature on the bus stated.

    Has anyone gotten a copy of this literature yet? If you do, can you scan and put up so the rest of us can see it?

    Thanks again Rebecca.

  • 135. Carpool Cookie  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    << Adopting an _X_ mindset is quite liberating I guess.. because you never have to think things through or use any form of logic…" </i>

    I think that's part of the appeal for Christianists who aren't really inclined to be "spiritual" on their own steam. Everything is laid out for you every Sunday, and there's a prize at the end (heaven)

  • 136. RebeccaRGB  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Here is the photo link again:
    http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2087536&amp

    You need a Facebook account, but the album is public (I'm not friends with the person who created it and I can see it just fine).

  • 137. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    I am in my facebook account, but it still says:

    This content is currently unavailable
    The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page.

    *Return home
    *View Joe's Profile

  • 138. Regan DuCasse  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Okay SHE would like to get married, but she's riding with political people who DON'T want gay people to get married.

    C'mon…what BS. I'm done with straight people like this calling self righteous hypocrisy "sanctity" but they sure aren't going around trying to ban heterosexuals from marrying UNLESS they are 'sanctified'.

    Girl please!

    And wow…look at that goon squad that wanted to wrap up the interview because they have such PRESSING business to attend to.

    NOM has some UGLY people representing them who aren't telegenic and who don't have any celebrity following.
    An entertainer like this comes along, they fall all over it trying to get her to be their spokesface.

    Seriously, why don't these people GET. A. LIFE.

  • 139. Ray in MA  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Somehow, I don't think ABSTINENCE got Karyme her child. (who she abandoned for the Blotus Bus Tour.)

  • 140. Carpool Cookie  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    PS: I'm not trying to link the word "bigot" with all Christians in my above quote….that's why I took the word out and replaced it with _X_ when I copied and pasted it from the post above it.

    With that specific word taken out, the sentence made me think of people like Karyme Lozano who get comfort from taking marching orders from religious "authorities" without thinking them through.

    I know there are nice Christians (and followers of other religions) in the world, including here.

  • 141. Tomato  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    A little travelin' music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx_I-byng78&fe… courtesy of Dolly Parton (who I think is quite cool over all)

  • 142. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    For Tomato
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx_I-byng78

  • 143. Kathleen  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    I get the same message.

  • 144. AndrewPDX  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Boo, like this?
    [youtube =http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_c7SbkGaLk&fs=1&hl=en_US]

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 145. Carpool Cookie  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    "I did want to ask if I was the only one hoping that she was secretly infiltrating NOM for us to take them down by revealing all their dark and shady secrets from the inside?

    Well, that would certainly be a REAL career boost!

    If she has a PR person, they should be counseling her to take the mike in true Norma Rae style at her last stop, and speak out for equality.

    Not everyone's that blazingly fabulous, though. Or have those performance instincts. She's a soap opera starlet, after all.

  • 146. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Great Vid Andrew…Boo Boo Boo Rubish Filth…Boo

  • 147. AndrewPDX  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    w00t!
    Tax Evasion was the one that got Al Capone — Maybe NOM will follow suit.
    Imagine how much better Brian's complexion would look in that fashionable orange prison jumper than that rumpled old brown suit of his.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 148. Tomato  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    But as soon as she found out the shadowy background of the Votabus tour, she abandoned it.

    She was hoodwinked, and once she talked to some P8TT folks (despite Thomas honking the bus horn while she tried to speak – hola Thomas!) she saw the light and ditched that pile of BS.

  • 149. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Perhaps he can be sent to Arizona…pretty in pink
    http://www.sodahead.com/fun/sheriff-joe-arpaio-of

  • 150. Wyoming Elmo  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    It would show fantastic acting skills – but yeah it would take a stunning amount of amazing to be able to pull that off and keep it secret the whole time. And now that she has left I guess my hopes will be on her organizing a protest against the tour….which is much less awesome than a take down from the inside.

  • 151. Tomato  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Once she learned the truth about the duplicitous tour she was on, she decided to leave it. Read about her encounter with P8TT folks.

    The woman may be ignorant, but that has been remedied.

  • 152. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    The Board has met tonight. We are sending Arisha her new BBQ Grill (we replaced the toaster ovens since Home Depot gives us points towards merchandise.)

    Go Arisha!

  • 153. Tomato  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Thank you, LLB! You are a darling!

  • 154. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    you are welcome! in case you didn't know, you just need to remove the &feature=related from the link, then it will embed.

  • 155. Tomato  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Excellent! Thank you, LLB, again!

  • 156. Carpool Cookie  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Oh wow. Sounds like a great (but sad) story. I hope he didn't die alone!

    I still can't get over the Bishop Eddie Long scandal in Atlanta, with his teen male harem. And the freak Assistant Attorney General in Michigan (Andrew Shirvell) who's harrasing the gay student assembly president at his alma mater. Then there's the two Ruter's freshman who caused a gay student to jump off a bridge after they secretly taped then broadcast him having sex in his room with another guy.

    My mind is reeling.

  • 157. JonT  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    @Jonathan: Yes, learned my lesson, now I carry two water bottles and a 2-quart canteen in my backpack :)

    @Kate: Yay! Thanks!

    @Gregory: I should invest in one of those. My backpack even has a dedicated pouch for one. Hmmm.

  • 158. AndrewPDX  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Mmm… margaritas… sorry I'm late to the party, but can I still join? I brought some more tequila and some fresh limes :)

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 159. Michael  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    When one sides with NOM, he/she is siding with false prophets who have been deceived by Satan. The ambivalence Ms. Lozano clearly feels is caused by the guilt raging in her heart. She knows that homophobia is wrong and evil, but she is being told by so many that it's a legitimate "religous belief" she must support. This has the predicative effect of making her feel guilt-ridden. The Holy Spirit is trying hard to convict her heart that NOM is evil and she should move back toward the real Christ. Will she do it or will she harm her eternal soul by siding with NOM as they continue to pervert Christ's message? Time will tell.

  • 160. JonT  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Good times, good times… :)

  • 161. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Unfortunately we ran out of Tequila earlier in Arizona, so we are still celebrating with the Margarita drinkers, but now we are on to Sweet Tea Vodka and Lemonade.

  • 162. Kathleen  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Yep. There are some really sick folks out there.

  • 163. Carpool Cookie  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I hope some of you are still around to offer the poor girl a ride home???

    That should be good for AT LEAST an outdoor grill.

  • 164. RebeccaRGB  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Ahh, screw it…

    (save, save, save, reupload, reupload, reupload…)
    http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g96/cosxoverx/N

  • 165. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Is that a boxer dog in the crowd? That's so cute.

  • 166. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Of course, the pic I meant has this caption: But only three Giorina supporters emerged from the bus, and the Boxer crowd outnumbered them 10 to 1!!!

  • 167. Kathleen  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Thanks RebeccaRGB. Those are great pictures!

  • 168. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Another suicide this week:

    America In CRISIS! A 3rd Teenage Boy Dies This Week! 5th Death From Suicide In Less Than Three Weeks!

    Billy Lucas, Asher Brown, Seth Walsh, Tyler Clementi and now Raymond Chase, 19, from Monticello, New York.

    We have just lost a 5th young soul this week – that we know of – who is either gay or the victim or gay bullying. The 5th suicide in less than three weeks and the 3rd death just this week alone!

    It is just devastating for us to report that we have learned that Raymond Chase, an openly gay sophomore at Johnson and Wales University in Providence, Rhode Island , studying culinary arts committed suicide on Wednesday, several students have informed us.

    The 19 year old is believed to have hung himself in his dormitory.

    Ronald Martel, Ph.D., Vice President of Student Affairs and Dean of Students, sent the following email to students on Thursday.

    More: http://perezhilton.com/2010-09-30-suicide_crisis_

  • 169. Kathleen  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    This is painful

  • 170. JonT  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    @RebeccaRGB: 'Ahh, screw it…'

    Thanks I can see those pics :)

    Wait… is that an attack dog in the 5th picture? :)

  • 171. AndrewPDX  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    LOL…

    seeing your 'Karyme, Karyme, Karyme' line made me think of Boy George and Culture Club…
    [youtube =http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ19XmG0vE4&fs=1&hl=en_US]

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
    Andrew

  • 172. RebeccaRGB  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    My pleasure, especially now that I got the pictures somewhere people can actually see them. :)

    Yep, vicious Barbara Boxer attack dog! :)P

    You can see me in the purple shirt in the first photo and holding my God Loves Gays sign in the last one.

  • 173. Bob  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    And that would definetly bestow upon her the honor of Pride Queen, for years to come.

    I love it.

  • 174. book in Tracy  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    @ Arisha. . .the name of the hotel in Stockton was the Lexington Waterfront Hotel.
    @ Kate. . .Arisha told me this morning they use rather nice hotels, for the 10 or so on the bus and the 4 or more in the Advance Group. Anyone know how to sign up for the next "vacation tour"?? Of course, I'd choose a whole 'nother set of traveling companions!!!!

  • 175. book in Tracy  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    It was very interesting to hear Ms Lozano say she's hoping to become a citizen of the USA later this year. . . Does her early departure mean something else?? just thinkin' . . .

  • 176. Bob  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    this has to stop, not another child, JonT, anothe name to post, your blog is such a wonderful salute from the P8TT site, wonder what else we could do?

  • 177. John Kelly  |  September 30, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    ¿Como se dice "Loose cannon"?

    I suspect NOM sensed that Ms. Lozano was more of a liability than an asset, and encouraged her to take a nice long break.

  • 178. JonT  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    @Bob: Yep, Kathleen sent me an email. This makes number 11 — and the 4th this week.

    There aren't many details on this story yet, just the PH story, but I'll monitor and update his entry as more info becomes available.
    http://thepriceofhate.blogspot.com/

    :(

  • 179. Bob  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    @JonT, thanks,
    @Kathleen, thanks, and do you know about filing amicus briefs, wonder if Trackers could file one, jointly with parents of these teens, somehow the court needs to be aware of how bigotry is affecting our youth. just a thought. or could we file one on ouir own using JonT;s blog. maybe weird questions, but gotta start somewhere

    I wonder If the president's office gets these notifications, might hit home if he was kept abreast of the situation, it just seems to be so frequent.

  • 180. bonobo  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Felyx!!!!!
    What does pendeja mean? Irma and Al call me that all the time, and then laugh. But they won't tell me what it means. I asked Lulu once (admittedly Lulu comes from another part of Mexico, so the translation might not be the same) and once she picked her jaw up off the floor, she wouldn't tell me either.
    I am laughingly frustrated. But it's all good, even if it means a bad thing, 'cause they mean it in a friendly way.
    Bo

  • 181. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Sorry, Bo, pendeja is not good. I don't know the context they are using it, but its usually not flattering. Unless, its used how bff's will call each other bitch, jokingly.

  • 182. Carpool Cookie  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    But there was just a few more days to go…

    I wonder if Alfonzo got all macho on her after dragging her back onto the bus, telling her what she SHOULD and SHOULD NOT say, and she was like, "I am out of here!"

    Just speculation of course, having observed the personalities in play.

  • 183. bonobo  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    That's okay Tony. I was pretty sure it was said in the same way Mom and I use the B word to each other. Doesn't change anything. They're still my friends. Just wanted to confirm my instincts, since I'm not getting any help here.
    Thank you.

  • 184. bonobo  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    That's my bet too CC. After watching the videos these last few days, I get the distinct impression that Mister Alfonzo doesn't like women much. Especially non-submissive ones. Actually, come to think of it, I don't think he likes non-submissive anybodies much.

  • 185. Elizabeth Oakes  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Oooo, Dom Alfonzo! No wonder they have the windows blacked out on that bus!

  • 186. Tony Douglass in Ca  |  September 30, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Hopefully, as was implied in videos and interviews, she could be reading this now, maybe she will grace us with an explanation herself. It would be good to hear her belief directly from her, without interference from an blaring horn!

  • 187. Judy  |  September 30, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Don't let them scare you, Brandy. I welcome you as a fellow Freethinker. Good for you.

  • 188. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Hey, no problem with me about the use of the word Christian since all of those homophobes who want all of you homosexuals back in the closet never to see the light of day again, call themselves Christians and are doing it out of love for you. Sure glad I don't use their definition of love.

    I want to thank each of you for welcoming me into this community even though my church was one of the key players in the passing of Prop 8 (not to mention other states prohibiting gay marriage). In some weird way, being a member of this community has strengthened my own testimony of my religion (rather strange, huh Gregory). However, there are still 2 issues that I disagree with the leadership on and the gay rights issue is one of those. But thanks to others, SB mom on this group, and all of those Mormons who post on Mormons for Marriage, I know that there are many of us who feel that way and we just need to be vocal about that. As Carol Lynn Pearson has demonstrated, it is possible to be vocal and still remain a member.

    Thanks for being here for me and I look forward to meeting all of you who will be able to attend the gathering on Oct. 15 at the Bay Front Theater at the Fort Mason Center. Show time 8 pm; box office doors open at 7:30 pm and I need a headcount to give to my son by Oct. 8 so that the can see if he can get the group discount tickets.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 189. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Wow Jonathan (remembered about those 2 Os, that is dedication to the cause. Glad you made it home safely and are now refreshed and rested.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 190. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    1:05 was all I could. They do not stand up for marriage, they stand up for discrimination.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother (e-mail me at sheryl.beckett@gmail.com if you want more information about the Oct. 15 P8TT gathering — Bet you'll all be glad when Oct. 16 rolls around and you wan't have to "hear" me announce this)

  • 191. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Oh thank you Sheryl, that spelling is very important to me! :)

  • 192. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    And just what do they think bullying policies should focus on. In addition to sexual orientation, kids get bullied for being overweight (know that one first hand), for being intelligent, for not being an athlete, for wearing glasses. Come on all of the reasons kids get bullied (at least in my opinion), are individual characteristics. Bullying is one of those things that leads to violence, either by the person doing the bullying or by the person being bullied, so I think there is a direct tie-in to dealing with violence.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother (who will spare you the gathering announcement on this post)

  • 193. Jonathan H  |  September 30, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    I suspect Focus on your own damn Family opposes any bullying policies, for the simple reason that they are bullies.

    After all, if we taught kids not to be bullies, how would groups like FotF recruit new members? (They can't procreate themselves, you see, so they recruit our children from public schools!)

  • 194. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 30, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Is Focus on the Family scardededed? They aren’t gonna be able to teach their kids to bully?

    DOE Asks Students “How Safe Do You Feel in School?”

    …The Safe Schools Improvement Act, recently introduced in the Senate, proposes forbidding bullying in school based not only on race, religion and disability, but also on sexual orientation. Schools would be asked to report all incidents to the DOE. Supporters, such as the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, believe incidents must be specifically identified to have them effectively handled. Focus on the Family and other conservative groups feel gay activists are pushing their agenda in schools and that bullying policies should not focus on individual characteristics.

    more: http://www.districtadministration.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=2575

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  • 196. Wyoming Elmo  |  September 30, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    @bonobo – you mean there is actually a person who espouses "traditional marriage" and who also thinks that women should be teathered to the kitchen….I just…I'm shocked!

    Actually, it's why I've been wondering why so many women are for "traditional marriage"…especially when they are on a public stage shouting about it…in a "traditional marriage" society that's called hysteria and you lock that woman away from public eye…..

  • 197. Tedd  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Blablabla! What is this? What does chastity have to do with NOM? NOM is preventing same sex couple from legally having a civil marriage.

    Morons!

  • 198. Freddy  |  October 1, 2010 at 1:21 am

    LLB, I get the same on one of my Yahoo accounts but it constantly shows me LG front load washers and dryers only because I was looking at the dryers to go with the washer I already have.

  • 199. Ann S.  |  October 1, 2010 at 2:47 am

    Yeah, be careful about checking out cute shoes on a website — ads for those very shoes will follow you around for weeks or months. Not that I would shop for shoes on the internet or anything . . .

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  • 201. fern  |  October 3, 2010 at 1:05 am

    What do I think of her?
    Meat, viande, fleish.
    The gay pride queen was expecting and hoping to become a model, a star, she had good looks.
    Seeing her on the nom tour I don't believe the porn industry would give her a part in a low budget third rate flick.

  • 202. Rhie  |  October 3, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Awful movie, wonderful music. Those are great lyrics.

  • 203. Rhie  |  October 3, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Mark M —

    Agreed. Every religion is used by evil people for their own ends. That's not the fault of the religious teachings, but rather of the people who distort it all.

  • 204. Rhie  |  October 3, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Also for being underweight and not being curvy/busty.

  • 205. Rhie  |  October 3, 2010 at 10:30 am

    I have adblock set on my email and everywhere else, and that works really well for annoying ads.

  • 206. francisco  |  October 3, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    we are asking for tolerance and we attack and bully her just because she thinks differently? She never speaks of hating us!We are in a country were freedom of speech exists!We ask for tolerance, lets give tolerance!

  • 207. francisco  |  October 3, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Im gay and dont agree on everything you say, and even I get attacked! WTF?! Whats wrong with u? Everyone has the right to think in a different way and express it! She is not imposing anything. They asked ,she answered honestly…is that a crime?

  • 208. Rhie  |  October 4, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    The thing is that the ideas are hateful and evil whether the person says so or not. Some Christians try to soften it with "hate the sin, love the sinner", and I am sure they believe that. But, the effect is the same: inequality, second class citizenship, bullying and worse.

    THAT is why people are attacking her stance. She might not believe it to be wrong, but it is. She may not personally hate any gay person, but the organization she stands up for and the policies she espouses do.

    For the record, I try not to personally attack a person unless they personally attack me or who I am. Attacking ideas != attacking the person who holds them.

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