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Senate votes to send repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” to President Obama’s desk

Don't Ask Don't Tell

By Adam Bink

As those of you following the previous thread on Senate cloture will know, repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” statute just passed the full Senate, 65-31. If my math is correct, without looking at a roll call, we picked up Sens. Ensign and Burr compared to the 63-33 cloture vote this morning.

As to the question of why Sens. Ensign and Burr would switch from nay to yea votes, their offices may release statements explaining that. I know Sen. Ensign is part of the Republican leadership, who often stick together on close cloture votes. Or minds may have been changed over the span of a few hours. Or a lack of Courage (Campaign! rimshot!) on Senators’ parts. Of course, as many of you know, Sen. Ensign was on the swing vote list for weeks, and his office told Nevada LGBT activists some time ago that he would support repeal, which was quickly walked back. Lots of reasons. In any case, it’s not uncommon for folks to switch on final passage, but it is interesting.

I really do believe that all the pressure generated by you and everyone else who piled on did help make a difference. The same goes for the other 6 Republicans who voted in favor on cloture and final passage. There were 9 Republicans on the target list I’ve been publishing here for weeks, and we got 6… 7, if you count Ensign on final passage. As the last two years have shown, it is no easy task to get Republicans to support anything in the Senate. We got 6 when it mattered and 8 when it mattered a bit less. That is absolutely phenomenal. Pat yourself on the back.

The bill now proceeds to the President’s desk. Once it is signed, no one can serve openly until certification is complete. Which is what below’s e-mail is about. We’re going to push to make sure there’s no feet-dragging.

I’m going to sign off for the afternoon and catch up on sleep. Again, remarkable, huge, gigantic, BFD (as our Vice President would say) victory today. One that is 17 long years in the making.

Congrats. Let us drink from the keg of glory tonight.

Courage Campaign

Dear Adam —

We won.


The Senate just voted to pass the stand alone bill to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell!” Because of our work together, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is on the way to the dustbin of history. I’m elated and I’m somber: it’s a huge victory that would never have happened without every one of you.

But we ain’t done yet.

Courage Campaign is going to mount an effort to pressure the Obama Administration to quickly certify repeal- and we need your people-powered support. Will you give us $17 right now, one dollar for each year that DADT was law?


http://www.couragecampaign.org/WeWon


Here’s the skinny: the Senate vote was the last major legislative obstacle. Now the bill will head to President Obama’s desk for his signature. But even after the President signs this law, no one can serve openly. Certification is first required from the President, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Secretary of Defense

It’s part of a backroom deal cut months ago, and it’s ridiculous. We’ve seen how the Administration has dragged their feet over the past two years on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”. We can’t let that happen again. We have to mount a fight to finish the job, and we need your help.


Can you contribute $17 to show the Administration that we’re not going to stand for any more foot-dragging? We’ll put your money to work right away—through online ads, organizers, and phone banks that will remind this administration daily that the job is not done until they certify repeal.


http://www.couragecampaign.org/WeWon

You did this. And together, we’ll move from this victory to full equality in the months and years ahead.But we ain’t done yet. Contribute $17 to speed up the day when an openly gay American can walk into a recruiting station and say “I want to serve.”


Together, we are unstoppable.
Rick Jacobs
Chair, Courage Campaign

P.S. Help us to build momentum for certification by sharing our message with your friends via Facebook or by simply forwarding this message to 5 friends.

The Courage Campaign is a multi-issue online organizing network that empowers more than 700,000 grassroots and netroots supporters to push for progressive change and full equality in California and across the country.

To support our work to repeal DADT, please chip in what you can today:

UPDATE BY ANDY:

As Ben Smith notes over at Politico, Senator Burr released the following statement, explaining his decision to vote against cloture, but for the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” once it made it past debate:

Given the generational transition that has taken place in our nation, I feel that this policy is outdated and repeal is inevitable. However, I remain convinced that the timing of this change is wrong, and making such a shift in policy at a time when we have troops deployed in active combat areas does not take into consideration the seriousness of the situation on the ground. But, the vote this morning to invoke cloture on this bill indicated that the broader Senate was prepared to move forward with a change, and despite my concerns over timing, my conclusion is that repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is the right thing to do.

The potential impact of such sentiment by the Republican Senator from North Carolina goes to show that hearts and minds towards lesbian and gay Americans are changing every day. And that the work we are doing here together matters.

110 Comments

  • 1. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:00 am

    Thank you Adam for all your hard work in keeping us posted on this. Have a wonderful, restful sleep and come back to us with all your usual energy intact, or even higher than it was before.

  • 2. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:02 am

    Another one bites the dust – discrimination and hate are losing their wheels!

    Wootey Woo!

  • 3. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:04 am

    DO ASK DO TELL!!!!…YAY PATRIOTS!!!….WOOOOO!!!…..(does "Front handspring step out, round-off backhandspring step-out, round-off back handspring, full-twisting layout.")…… <3…Ronnie

  • 4. Pearl  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:10 am

    I just contributed $50 to the Courage Campaign. Anyone care to match that? Come on folks. It's not over yet. Let's push for certification and full implentation of the repeal. We've all see in the past two weeks how powerful personal phone calls and lobbying of our elected representatives can be. Now is not the time to rest on our laurels. We've still got work to do!

  • 5. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:15 am

    Obama's Statement

    Today, the Senate has taken an historic step toward ending a policy that undermines our national security while violating the very ideals that our brave men and women in uniform risk their lives to defend. By ending "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," no longer will our nation be denied the service of thousands of patriotic Americans forced to leave the military, despite years of exemplary performance, because they happen to be gay. And no longer will many thousands more be asked to live a lie in order to serve the country they love.

    As Commander-in-Chief, I am also absolutely convinced that making this change will only underscore the professionalism of our troops as the best led and best trained fighting force the world has ever known. And I join the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as the overwhelming majority of service members asked by the Pentagon, in knowing that we can responsibly transition to a new policy while ensuring our military strength and readiness.

    I want to thank Majority Leader Reid, Senators Lieberman and Collins and the countless others who have worked so hard to get this done. It is time to close this chapter in our history. It is time to recognize that sacrifice, valor and integrity are no more defined by sexual orientation than they are by race or gender, religion or creed. It is time to allow gay and lesbian Americans to serve their country openly. I urge the Senate to send this bill to my desk so that I can sign it into law.

    Source: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/p

  • 6. Kathleen  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:17 am

  • 7. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:18 am

    Now let us begin the next round of calls. This round of calls is to make sure that the report's conclusions are certified and that the implementation of the DADT repeal is done as quickly as possible with no delays. We have come to far to stop now.

  • 8. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:26 am

    Boo-YA!

    And a huge thank you to Adam and Courage Campaign!

  • 9. MichGuy  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:28 am

    I contributed slightly less due to a tight budget but I wll see if I can find a few more dollars in my budget to cut again and contribute to this great cause. I love seeing my money put to good use.

  • 10. MichGuy  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:31 am

    I am happy to see DADT take some serious steps to be brought down. I served in the Army and was seperated under DADT in December of 2005 so I know good and well how it feels to be thrown out of your career over simply telling the truth and not due to misconduct. As a Army Veteran myself I now the stress that this policy causes on a gay servicemember

  • 11. Bob  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:32 am

    it's been a long windy road, but finally we did what you asked when you took office Mr President, we finally got to work and made it happen,,, you asked to have it on your desk, DONE, now complete your part….

    and by the way, through the process, I think we learned some things about organizing, grassroots, Courage Campaign has given us a place to communicate, we have developed a successful messenger system, with information freely flowing……

    and above all, we have learned to engage with elected officials, on all levels,,, politics is a contact sport, and we're learning how to engage and contact the people that are working for us to shape America,,,,,,

    the grassroots may have been asleep during midterms, but we got our wake up call, we're organizing….and learning new things, like how the house and senate work, and how to watch legislation in action,,,,,,,building a better America…

  • 12. Chris in Lathrop  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:33 am

    WOOHOO!!! Take that, McLame! Closer and closer now…

  • 13. Bob  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:35 am

    yeah Pearl, just maybe Courage Campaign, is a keeper, something we can contribute to and build upon,,,,,,,

    I can't believe I was hit up by HRC, duh, a little late, first time I heard from them,,,,,and of course they;re asking for $$$$$$

  • 14. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 6:51 am

    According to the Washington Post, President Obama is doing his calling too:

    "As recently as this morning, Obama was calling wavering senators to ensure the bill's passage, a White House official said. Saturday's successful vote delivered a significant victory for Obama, who promised during his 2008 campaign to end the ban during his presidency"
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti

  • 15. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:04 am

    Hey MichGuy – thank you for chiming in and for your military service. Sorry that you were discharged this way and the emotional/financial and other trauma associated with this. Have you considered re-enlisting?

  • 16. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:05 am

    Yes, we can!!!

  • 17. Fake Name  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:14 am

    Today is an Historic Day!!! Remember Lady Gaga (GaGa?) going to the awards ceremony with those discharged soldiers and sailors on her arm. Where did she have that rally, was it in the State of Main? So many have labored for so long now, it is hard to believe that this was won politically. I have to keep re-reading to make sure it is really true. As Don wrote in the previous topic, "One more brick in the wall of Discrimination falls"

  • 18. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:17 am

    First I would suggest calling all the senators that voted for repeal and thanking them for their support, it is a thankless job that they are doing for us and I know that they have received negative calls from the far right constituents complaining about their vote. It is time we called them and thanked them for sticking their necks out there and show how much their support is appreciated.

  • 19. mackenzie  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:21 am

    This one was more like a boulder! :-D

  • 20. Tim in Sonoma  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:22 am

    Finally ALL Americans who fight for their country will be able to serve with honor!
    Next……..prop 8!

  • 21. rick Jacobs  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Adam is a rapid-fire font of knowledge. We are fortunate to have him on our side!

  • 22. rick Jacobs  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:26 am

    Thanks for doing whatever you can. As I said in the comments on the other thread, I don't take a salary. We don't have (or want) an office. We are you and you are we. $17 or $50 or $170 matter a lot to us. A lot.

    Rick.

  • 23. Freddy/Lar  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Actually I think you could say that it is the foundation of discrimination, now that we have broken this wall, every other thing is going to fall. No longer will the discrimination be tolerated like it was before, because of the military drawing from the entire nation and then returning those people back to their communities, people will learn that we are just like everyone else and we will be respected for our achievements. No longer will the military be a place that bigotry will be accepted and because of this, everything else will crumble as well.

  • 24. Kate  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Cheers, rd.

  • 25. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:33 am

    Bryan & Jay from Gay Family Values made this video before the final vote..but they updated it with font scrolls…..<3…Ronnie:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td8rK4Cpq7o&fe

  • 26. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:43 am

    One of my friends on Facebook pointed out that Truman desegregated the military in 1948…the last all black unit was gone in 1954 & the Civil Rights movement gained momentum on 1955…..like she said…"coincidence?"…..our Civil Rights Movement Started 41 years ago at Stonewall…& our time is long overdue…Equality is Inevitable!…<3…Ronnie

  • 27. Elizabeth Oakes  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:46 am

    I agree, especially since there will be other bills affecting LGBT rights. It would be wise to positively reinforce their votes in our favor and show that we are willing to support them when they vote to support LGBT people.

  • 28. Menergy  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:51 am

    you should see the Tea Party head exploding and the nutcases going berserk about the repeal!!!!! Doomsday is here!!!!!

    Free Republic:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GW-II/

  • 29. Menergy  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:53 am

    now that link was a total mistake – something someone sentme heheh

    How to delete????

    anyway – here's the right link, I hope
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644646/

    So sorry for the blooper!

  • 30. Elizabeth Oakes  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:54 am

    I'm so happy, but I'm also one of those people who remains a little anxious until the check clears the bank, you know? This was huge, but the Joints could mess around and delay the certification process, and then there's that 60-day stay until the repeal takes full effect. I hate to be the gloomsayer by pointing out there are still hazards in this final stretch, but I don't want anyone to be disappointed if there's yet another obstacle thrown in our path to full implementation.

    So let's celebrate, but also keep eyes open and pressure on until we know we're in the clear and DADT is dead, dead, dead. That's a grave I'll admit being happy to dance upon.

  • 31. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:54 am

    And there they go with the threats….."This action will be overturned in the next Congress"……pft…as if.. . : / ….Ronnie:

    MAIN | SATURDAY, DECEMBER 18, 2010
    Anti-Gay Christianist Groups Vow To Force Congress To Reverse Repeal Of DADT http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/12/anti-gay-chr

  • 32. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Ha – a great majority of those posts are pretty ignorant (seems stupidity outright stepped in to lend them a hand.)

    Love it!

  • 33. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Menergy, that was slightly startling! Don't go past the "18 and older" warning, folks, unless you want to see the porn.

    Favorite comment so far on the Free Republic site: "They think that there are no limits to federal power."

    In the federal armed forces??? This is well within federal power. Get a grip.

  • 34. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:00 am

    DADT headstone:
    http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy151/lesbians

  • 35. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Elizabeth, I agree — we're not there yet. Still, this is a huge cause for celebration today!

  • 36. Menergy  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Over at Joe.My.God he's reporting this reaction from the anti-gay Christianist Groups:

    Anti-Gay Christianist Groups Vow To Force Congress To Reverse Repeal Of DADT
    Led by the Liberty Counsel, a coalition of anti-gay Christianist hate groups today signed on to a letter vowing to force the next Congress to reverse today's repeal of DADT. Liberty Counsel's Mat Staver rants:
    "This action will be overturned in the next Congress because it breaks the bond of trust that must exist between the military and those who command in the Pentagon and Congress. Today's vote will prove as costly to its proponents as ObamaCare was to its advocates. We promise a full mobilization of faith-based and policy organizations, veterans, and military families in the states of every Senator who voted for repeal of DADT against the advice of our service chiefs and during a time of war. Those Senators – and the Pentagon leaders responsible for this breach of trust – should understand that they will be the object of concerted political action against them."
    Among the groups signing the letter:
    National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, Teen Mania Ministries, American Association of Christian Counselors, Let Freedom Ring, Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, American Family Association, Family Research Council; Liberty Counsel, Liberty Alliance Action, Vision America, The Oak Initiative, The Call to Action, Concerned Women for America, High Impact Leadership Coalition, Campaign for Working Families, Conservative Action Project, Traditional Values Coalition, Renewing American Leadership, Conservative HQ, Constitution Party, Bott Radio Network, Center for Military Readiness.
    http://joemygod.blogspot.com/

  • 37. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:11 am

    The only thing they really fear is the empty ching ching in their pocket books! It don't feel a bit sorry for any of them.

  • 38. Sarah  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:22 am

    I liked this comment: "I’ve never heard of a real-world homosexual dying to go in the service. And if it is happening outside my ken then I have to question the motive."

    The first sentence made me laugh ("real-world homosexual"??). The second made me wonder what in the world it means. I guess it's only "fake" homosexuals who want to join the military? Oh, and the only possible reason could be to check out the men or women they are serving alongside?

    By the way, what does "ken" mean in this context? Really, I know I have seen that before but not quite sure what it means.

  • 39. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:22 am

    To go with the headstone & obituary for DADT… I put together this brief little statement to the tune of "La Vie Boheme" from RENT by Jonathan Larson (RIP)……

    Dearly beloved we gather here to say our goodbyes..Here it lies..we all knew its fate..the late (ingrate) legislature of Vicious Hate..On these nights when we remember the birth..In that little town of Washington..We raise our glass, you bet your ass to..Death of Don't Ask, Don't Teeeeeell… ; )

    (bows)….<3…Ronnie

  • 40. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:25 am

    ken = kin?

  • 41. Kathlene  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:25 am

    "This victory belongs to you. Without your commitment, the promise I made as a candidate would have remained just that.

    Instead, you helped prove again that no one should underestimate this movement. Every phone call to a senator on the fence, every letter to the editor in a local paper, and every message in a congressional inbox makes it clear to those who would stand in the way of justice: We will not quit."

    Email just sent by the white house.

  • 42. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:27 am

    It comes from the old Celtic and Gaelic languages. Ken means understanding or realm of knowledge. And if this particular individual is unaware of real-world LGBGT people who want to serve in the military then he has never been in the military, and has apparently lived an extremely sheltered life. He is probably not even an adult, but rather one of those who has been homeschooled by parents who are of the same pseudo-religious, pseudo-Christian belief system as NOM, FotF, FRC, CWA, and the other groups that the SPLC is keeping eagle eyes on.

  • 43. Kate  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:28 am

    ken = knowledge, awareness

  • 44. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Here it is with your text… http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy151/lesbians

  • 45. Sarah  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:39 am

    LLB, that was my first though as well.

    Well with that definition the comment is even less reasonable! As if this person would have all-encompassing knowledge and anything he or she is unaware of is questionable. Although, that seems to be the logic used by many conservative Christians on many issues in my opinion. And Richard, I agree that this person is extremely sheltered. To not know of LGBT people in the military personally is one thing, but to not realize that it is inevitably happening is very ignorant of reality.

    And, thank you people for adding to my knowledge! I knew I could count on an answer to my question! :)

  • 46. Bob  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Elizabeth , and Ann, fear not,,,, there is always further to go, the battle for jusitce and equality never ends, we will continue our efforts renewed,,,,,,

    but our hail mary pass, scored a touchdown,, DADT is on the presidents desk,, that's what this round of the game was about, we focused on it and scored,,,,,victory is ours right now, we can celebrate this accomplishment…

    also don't forget the reallly big win, of coming together, and working for the common good, the things we learned, and how we can put that to use in the next round……

    It is so important for us to claim this victory, and feel equality, the arc of justice has bent ever so gently and kissed us on this day, hang on to that feeling, we own it, no one can take that away, ever again,,,,, feel it….

  • 47. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:40 am

    rofl…that's awesome…<3…Ronnie

  • 48. Elizabeth Oakes  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:41 am

    I'm sure they'd rather focus Congress on this critical issue rather than, say, improving the economy or infrastructure or education or medical care or corporate corruption or terrorism or our relations overseas. Too bad they worship such a vengeful, hateful god…that is, their own powerlust.

  • 49. Elizabeth Oakes  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Thanks for the pep talk, Bob, but….I'll rest easy the day I see with my own eyes that my gay friends are enlisting and serving without being endangered. :)

  • 50. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:44 am

    LLb, not to be nitpicky, but today is December 18. Please don't add another day to the life of DADT.

  • 51. Leo  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Attn. Tony Perkins, Mat Staver, et al:
    Give us testable predictions instead of FUD.
    Suggest an objective test by which we can tell if repealing DADT has made things worse, how soon after the repeal it should be done, and promise to admit that you were wrong if that doesn't happen.

  • 52. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 8:49 am

    both have been replaced. thanks!

  • 53. MichGuy  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Great info on the history of DADT and all the court cases in the past with some congress video also.
    http://dadtarchive.org/
    http://dadtarchive.org/?page_id=35
    http://servicemembersunited.org/?page_id=108

  • 54. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Secretary Gates Public News Release

    “I welcome today’s vote by the Senate clearing the way for a legislative repeal of the ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ law.

    “Once this legislation is signed into law by the President, the Department of Defense will immediately proceed with the planning necessary to carry out this change carefully and methodically, but purposefully. This effort will be led by Dr. Clifford Stanley, Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness and himself a retired Marine Corps major general and infantry officer.

    “The legislation provides that repeal will take effect once the President, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff certify that implementation of the new policies and regulations written by the Department is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention of the Armed Forces. As I have stated before, I will approach this process deliberately and will make such certification only after careful consultation with the military service chiefs and our combatant commanders and when I am satisfied that those conditions have been met for all the Services, commands and units.

    “It is therefore important that our men and women in uniform understand that while today’s historic vote means that this policy will change, the implementation and certification process will take an additional period of time. In the meantime, the current law and policy will remain in effect.

    “Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force. With a continued and sustained commitment to core values of leadership, professionalism and respect for all, I am convinced that the U.S. military can successfully accommodate and implement this change, as it has others in history.”

    Source: http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?rele

  • 55. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    "I am pleased to see the Congress vote to repeal the law governing Don't Ask Don't Tell. Handling this through legislation preserves the military's prerogative to implement change in a responsible, deliberate manner.

    More critically, it is the right thing to do. No longer will able men and women who want to serve and sacrifice for their country have to sacrifice their integrity to do so. We will be a better military as a result.

    I look forward to working with Secretary Gates and the Service Chiefs as we set about the task of preparing and certifying the joint force to implement the new law. And I am committed to making sure that process is well-led, maintains our combat readiness and upholds our high standards."

    http://www.jcs.mil/speech.aspx?id=1511

  • 56. Rhie  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:35 am

    W00

  • 57. Sarah  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:36 am

    "No longer will able men and women who want to serve and sacrifice for their country have to sacrifice their integrity to do so." Well said!! That sounds like a wonderful sound bite (byte?) to me!

  • 58. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:41 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OoTxBRWQjI

  • 59. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:44 am

    And, for those that missed it:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJQKodXmYz0

  • 60. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:45 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhjf7yWqg8g

  • 61. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:46 am

    I am video happy today! No promises this will be the last one.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h9bprfnpYE

  • 62. JonT  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Been gone all day in the mountains. What did I miss?

    :)

    *Great* news to come home to!

  • 63. Lesbians Love Boies  |  December 18, 2010 at 9:57 am

    They are turning on each other…falling over their own feet. (posted earlier in the wrong thread)

    Bryan Fischer: Benedict Arnold Republicans destry military and our national security

    by AFAs Bryan Fischer

    We are now stuck with sexual deviants serving openly in the U.S. military because of turncoat Republican senators.

    (Dictionary definition of “deviant”: “departing from usual or accepted standards, esp. in social or sexual behavior.” “Deviant” is not name calling, it is truth-telling.)

    The Saturday morning cloture vote on the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” was the critical vote. It needed 60 votes and got 63, because of Republican renegades Scott Brown, Mark Kirk, George Voinovich, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. If these traitors to national defense had voted in line with the Republican Party platform, the cloture motion would have received just 57 votes and would have failed.

    The final vote on the bill itself, requiring just 51 votes, was a mere formality after the cloture vote.

    Had the cloture vote failed, we would still have sane moral and sexual standards governing military personnel policy. But sadly those days are gone, perhaps forever.

    The GOP platform is plain and unambiguous:

    “Esprit and cohesion are necessary for military effectiveness and success on the battlefield. To protect our servicemen and women and ensure that America's Armed Forces remain the best in the world, we affirm the timelessness of those values, the benefits of traditional military culture, and the incompatibility of homosexuality with military service.” (emphasis Bryan Fischer)

    For those who say the Republican Party does not need a litmus test for its candidates, you just lost the argument and frittered away the strength of the U.S. military at the same time.

    More: http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147501

  • 64. Bob  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:00 am

    righto Elizabeth, lets get the ingredients right as we set the pot to simmer….

    to my healthy dose of optimism, add and extra measure of skeptisism,,,,

    till we see it with our own eyes,,,,,, (I didn't say stop, or it's over, I just said celebrate this victory, and take it in as we move forward)

  • 65. Jenny  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:04 am

    This is such wonderful news! I happened to be taking my lunch break from work exactly when the cloture vote was taking place and was able to watch it on CNN; and then by pure chance saw a TV on CNN when the final vote was taking place and was able to catch the end of that one as well. It was so thrilling, I actually jumped up and down when they announced the final vote. I was also so grateful that my Ohio Senator Voinovich was one of the Republicans who voted for repeal! I was hopeful, but really didn't expect him to vote aye and he came through! It made me feel like all those messages I've been leaving him were actually heard. I will defiantly be sending him a thank you for that. What a remarkable day for equality! :)

  • 66. JonT  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Wow – some pretty stupid/ignorant people on that site.

  • 67. JonT  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Yeah, I saw that. Then I laughed loudly :)

  • 68. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Does anyone know if the final roll call listing has been posted to thomas yet? I just came from there, but the only thing I found was a vote to concur that was on an amendment to something about the Small Business Administration. The time listed for the vote was the same as the vote on the repeal of DADT, and the H.R. number matched Representative Murphy's amendment about DADT, but the listing for the Senate action did not say anything about DADT. I would love to find the roll call vote so I know exactly who to thank for standing up for what is right.

  • 69. JonT  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Hee hee hee.

    AFA is a hate organization anyway, so who cares what they think.

    :)

  • 70. Balu  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:19 am

    This is a joyous occasion, and I skipped the celebration beer to donate 25$. (I already crossed by non-profit budget for the year).

  • 71. Leo  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Classical fallacy of equivocation. "Deviant" has more than one dictionary definition, but to the extent it means "departing from usual or accepted standards," there's nothing wrong with being a deviant.

  • 72. Bob  |  December 18, 2010 at 10:44 am

    wow you go Maddow, skeptic, admitting she didn't believe it, you bet your gumboots Obama's base will reward him for this,,,,,,,it cost a lot,,,,,,it was hard……it's his win…….

  • 73. Ray in MA  |  December 18, 2010 at 11:01 am

    And from the biggest Turd of All … Guess Who…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CLT93mnljY&fe

  • 74. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 18, 2010 at 11:33 am

    The worst part of what McLame is saying is that he is coming out and insulting the very service members and their families who responded to the DADT survey and who overwhelmingly said that DADT needs to go. Are these the people he is referring to who have no idea about military life and military discipline? If so, he has also insulted me as a veteran and also my first husband, who was more honorable during his time in Vietnam that McLame was. At least Joe never sold his unit down the river to the Viet Cong like McLame did when he started singing like a canary to his captors.

  • 75. Ann S.  |  December 18, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    More divisive "us" vs. "them" rhetoric. I hope more people will wake up to what a false dichotomy is being presented by McLame.

  • 76. Straight Ally #3008  |  December 18, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Adm. Mullen has been amazing. Sec. Gates too.

  • 77. Ronnie  |  December 18, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lt-dan-choi/congres

    Lt. Dan ChoiCombat vetaran; Infantryman; Discharged under DADT
    Posted: December 18, 2010 04:41 PM
    Congress Repeals DADT

    There are so many amazing quotes to be pointed out but I'll go with this, the last paragraph…..

    "I intend to rejoin the military and serve in any capacity I can be of best use. I intend to marry and have a family of my own. We are living in a truly historic moment where we can enjoy the rewards of our efforts. We stand on the shoulders of many who have come before us, from Air Force Technical Sergeant Leonard Matlovich to our present day heroes. We owe it to them to continue fighting. Our loudness does not distract but enhances the fight. Our direct action puts wind in the sails of lobbyists and political elites who do our bidding on the inside. We are one team with one goal: Equality in our lifetime. I do not intend to waver or retreat in pursuit of this new life purpose and mission, and neither should any American who loves justice." ~ Lt. Dan Choi

  • 78. elliom  |  December 18, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    <cite>For those who say the Republican Party does not need a litmus test for its candidates, you just lost the argument and frittered away the strength of the U.S. military at the same time. </cite>

    And that test would be a total lack of brain activity.

  • 79. BK  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Hey! You actually know the tumbling terms! *high five*

  • 80. BK  |  December 18, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Is it any surprise? I always try to give people like them the benefit of the doubt… and then they go do stuff like this! Problems much?

  • 81. Bob  |  December 18, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    well said Lt Choi,,,, about coming out, which is what seems to be required of us at this point in the journey, to become visible to our family and friends, requires telling,, using the words….

    he says "coming out is not for you, but for those that come after you" woot woot, great challenge….. thanks Dan

  • 82. MichGuy  |  December 19, 2010 at 12:20 am

    I am considering re-enlisting. It may be a challenge due to my drawing Military Disability now through the VA for a disorder caused by DADT discrimination in th military.

  • 83. celdd  |  December 19, 2010 at 12:27 am

    That sounds like the right bill. The house took an existing bill and substituted the DADT language in it. It was something to do with small business. That's why the title doesn't have anything to do with what it is actually about. Apparently, this isn't that uncommon to do, but of course several Republicans complained loudly about it.

  • 84. Chris in Lathrop  |  December 19, 2010 at 12:32 am

    So fun to watch tea partiers! I love how they've painted themselves with the same "We're reasonable people concerned about our country" veneer we've seen Brian the Bigot Brown try to use upon NOM!

  • 85. Ronnie  |  December 19, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Lt. Dan Choi talks about DADT repeal, John McCain, the toll fighting for repeal has had on him & PTSD….

    Thank you so much for all that you have sacrificed for America, Equality & all of us….Lt. Dan Choi, you are a pair of the shoulders we stand on that you mentioned in your recent Huffington Post piece…You are an American Hero……<3….Ronnie"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmtSHPujVlY&fe

  • 86. Ed Cortes  |  December 19, 2010 at 1:07 am

    I just think that mclame is trying to punish the entire nation in as many ways that he can possibly find for not electing him as a teapublican president. His actions definitely show us what we would have had to contend with as a minority, as all of us as a nation, if he and palin had won! It's very scary!!

  • 87. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 19, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Well, instead of being such an obstructionist, McLame should really grow up, get over herself, put on her big girl panties and DEAL WITH IT! Of course, McLame is probably also mad that it came out about her singing like a canary to the Viet Cong. Some war hero!

  • 88. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 19, 2010 at 2:14 am

    I need to apologize. The above post was written before I really had a chance to think, and the wording may have unintentionally offended some of our female P8TT family. Yes, I am angry at McLame. He is the very last individual who needs to be griping about unit cohesiveness after telling the Viet Cong where his unit was after his capture and thereby insuring that his unit was decimated, along with any other units that were in the same area. Of course, as Ed stated, McLame is also still angry that he did not get elected POTUS, but as we have seen since then from McLame's own actions, that is a good thing that he did not get elected. He really does need to grow up, get over himself, and shut up. In fact, why don't we get a campaign going to make sure McLame steps down soon?

  • 89. ElsieH  |  December 19, 2010 at 2:30 am

    This big girl was not offended :). I actually appreciated that you substituted gender nouns. I like mixing up gender preconceptions.

    On the substance of the post: I agree that losing the POTUS election has unhinged him. He is spiraling down into crazy cootdom.

  • 90. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 19, 2010 at 2:37 am

    And to be honest, I wish McLame were as grown up as most of the women I know. Of course, that may be part of his problem. He has finally realized that women are a lot stronger than he is, and he is ashamed that he is so weak. However, in his attempts to appear strong, he is alienating too many people, because instead of appearing strong, he is only proving more and more that he is unhinged, just as you said ElsieH.

  • 91. Sheryl Carver  |  December 19, 2010 at 2:51 am

    Thank you, Richard!

    I have tremendous respect for you, & hope someday I get to meet you in person.

    Love,
    Sheryl

  • 92. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 19, 2010 at 3:13 am

    I have hopes of meeting all of my P8TT family in person. I have learned so much from everyone here–Constitutional Law, civil procedures, history, culture, and so many other areas.

  • 93. Ed Cortes  |  December 19, 2010 at 3:58 am

    Richard, I bet we can put together a nice gathering when you guys get out here!

  • 94. Bob  |  December 19, 2010 at 3:59 am

    thank you Dan Choi, once a leader , always a leader, now championing treatment for psychiatric illness, in thes case post traumatic stress disorder,,,, it always helps when you can put a face to the lable,,,,it gives hope to others,

    and once again his statement about support of open service will help closeted people find their integrity, drop the lies and misconceptions they were taught about themselves, and come out, I like the importance he places on that part of the journey for all of us…….stand proud…..

  • 95. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 19, 2010 at 4:04 am

    Any gathering that would include everyone from P8TT, bloggers, commenters and CCI staff, would be an ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS gathering. Somehow, we have got to see what the logistics are for making that happen. Of course, we would be out there at least a week, so that we would have time to sit and talk. And I can just see any restaurant we go to now–We just might have to rent a football stadium for dinner to have enough seating.

  • 96. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 19, 2010 at 4:07 am

    You are a leader, too, Bob. You led us through the call-ins, and even shared your experiences which gave us added incentive to keep going. Gee, that sounds like so many of the people I have met here on P8TT. Could that be why all of us recognize good leadership? Because we are each, in one way or another, a leader?

  • 97. Sagesse  |  December 19, 2010 at 6:07 am

    I was out all day yesterday, but I did manage to check my mobile at about 4:30 Eastern to find the news :).

    This is HUGE. Federal state-sponsored discrimination against the LGBT community is a four-legged stool: the legs are DADT, DOMA, and the need for ENDA and UAFA. Yesterday’s vote hacked off one leg of the stool, with a decisive victory.

    It was also the first victory. The Republicans and the other forces of No lined up all their arguments and their games and their megaphone, and they lost. They lost big. They may be slow learners, and they have improved their battle position, but they will think twice about how much political capital they choose to throw into the next fight. DADT repeal was also passed in a standalone bill. It had been thought that LBGT rights legislation had be be attached to a must-pass bill in order to pass, but that’s no longer the case. HUGE.

    What will the next fight be? I’m thinking ENDA, and then DOMA, but DOMA could be first. LGBT rights except for marriage are non-controversial; there is widespread public support, hence ENDA first. DOMA, however, has always been on shaky constitutional ground and is under judicial assault. And the passage of DADT creates a pressure to repeal it so that LGBT servicemembers can have the same family support that the rest of the military receives. They could carve out some sort of exception to DOMA for the military, but since DOMA has to go anyway, they would likely repeal it and get it over with. The fate of UAFA is tied up in comprehensive immigration reform, whether it’s in the same bill or separate, and will come up in the next session of Congress. These changes, I predict, will be (and should be) legislative; none of them will come as the result of a Supreme Court decision that establishes broad LGBT civil rights under the Constitution.

    Marriage equality will be last because it has to be fought on multiple fronts. At the state level and in the courts. Dismantling of multiple state DOMA laws and state constitutional amendments, with some stops along the way for domestic partnerships/civil unions.

    It’s possible that all these could be accomplished without discrimination based on sexual orientation being declared subject to strict-like scrutiny by the Supreme Court… not ok anywhere on any basis anyone cares to dream up. Does it matter? Not sure.

    I’ve been thinking this for some time, but didn’t want to jinx anything by saying it out loud. This is HUGE.

    I come from a mixed breed military family. My parents met when my Canadian father served in a joint American/Canadian Army special forces unit in WWII. The half of me that is American on my mother’s side is really proud today. The half of me that is Canadian/American military on my father’s side is really proud too.

  • 98. Michael Ejercito  |  December 19, 2010 at 6:40 am

    I have no problem repealing the portion authorizing administrative discharges on the basis of sexual orientation.

    But it seems that the portion of the law authorizing administrative discharges on the basis of homosexual conduct have also been repealed. This is an important statutory tool for the military to use to separate servicepersons who engaged in homosexual conduct that involves force, public acts, prostitution, minors, acts that are otherwise prejudicial to discipline and good order, and acts that otherwise discredit the armed services.

    To be sure, there is no statutory prohibition against such discharges. But someone discharged for the reasons I have stated could go to court to reverse the discharge on the grounds it exceeded the military’s statutory authority.

  • 99. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 19, 2010 at 6:58 am

    That is because there are provisions that are already part of military law that apply to acts of rape, coercion, force, et al. The repeal means that these laws will finally be applied equally, regardless of someone's orientation. When are you going to grow up and become a real man and stop thinking with the head that hangs between your legs and start thinking with the head that is above your shoulders. I am a veteran of the US Navy, and in my 48 years of life, the ones that I have had to watch out for the most are the ones like you who are so hung up on yourselves that you think all gay men want all the straight men. WRONG! I have a man, and our life consists of more than just sex. In fact, for me to enter into a relationship with a man, I have to have a man with whom I can have an intelligent conversation with. This qualification eliminates you, Tony Perkins, John McCain, Mitch McConnell, Pete LaBarbera, President Momson, James Dobson, General Amos, and a vast horde of others who think that the only thing on a gay ,man's mind is another man's anatomy. Grow up, get a life, and be true to yourself. Maybe then you will be able to relieve yourself of this overwhelming need to oppress other people just because they do not walk in lockstep with your beliefs. And yes, I am married. We got married in Connecticut on my husband's birthday. I had to do something to get him to realize that his birthday is not just another day on the calendar.

  • 100. Ronnie  |  December 19, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Do you have any original thoughts in your homophobic dense rock filled skull that you don't copy & paste, you ungrateful Fascist, un-American pig…..Did you not get the reaction you wanted the first time you posted this word for word, you uneducated TROLL!!!?

    Force i.e. Rape, prostitution, & acts involving minors are still illegal not just in the military but in civilian life as well..for both LGBT & Straight people….you benighted troglodyte….They have nothing to do with "Homosexual conduct" which equals attraction to the same gender…THAT IS LEGAL!!!!!! & does NOT discredit the armed services….get an actual education….

    As for "public acts"…what fantasy world are you living in?…It is legal to be homosexual in public…if you are referring to "sex"…then you prove how ignorant you really are..that too (sex in public), for both LGBT & Straight, is illegal….

    RESPECT ALL SOLDIERS LGBT & Straight who risk their lives for you, ingrate…..You lost…GET OVER IT!!!!…. >I …Ronnie

    P.S. Everything in your misinformed c&p has already been contested & proved to be complete BUNK…since you have already posted it word for word when DADT repeal passed the House the 1st time…Nobody fell for your bull & nobody is going to fall for it now…You are so sad..I am embarrassed for you…GROW UP!!!

  • 101. Ronnie  |  December 19, 2010 at 7:50 am

    correction…you posted the same thing when the DNAA was blocked in the Senate…..anyway…a link would have been just as effective as an echo… : / ….Ronnie

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  • 103. Michael Ejercito  |  December 19, 2010 at 11:32 am

    That is because there are provisions that are already part of military law that apply to acts of rape, coercion, force, et al.

    This is assuming some activist judge does not strike down administrative discharges for those reasons.

  • 104. Ronnie  |  December 19, 2010 at 11:40 am

    "activist judge"…a religious reich appellation that is used ad nauseum….MAUDE!!!!….. : I ….Ronnie

  • 105. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 19, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Actually, master Ejercito, those laws against rape, sexual harassment, coercion, and so forth are also on the civilian courts, so a dishonorable discharge for those things would NOT be overturned by an "activist" judge, as you so wrongly term any judge who renders a decision that does not agree with your false ideas of the system of checks and balances in our system of government. You really do need to find a new middle school to attend, Michael. Preferably one that actually teaches civics.

  • 106. Michael Ejercito  |  December 20, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Actually, master Ejercito, those laws against rape, sexual harassment, coercion, and so forth are also on the civilian courts, so a dishonorable discharge for those things would NOT be overturned by an “activist” judge, as you so wrongly term any judge who renders a decision that does not agree with your false ideas of the system of checks and balances in our system of government. You really do need to find a new middle school to attend, Michael. Preferably one that actually teaches civics.

    If lower court judges could be relied upon to follow binding precedent, you would be right.

  • 107. Richard A. Jernigan  |  December 20, 2010 at 12:40 am

    Actually, lower court judges do rely upon binding precedent in most cases. Those cases in which binding precedent is not in consideration are those cases where the precedent that someone like you would consider binding is found to be flawed. Again, you really need to find yourself a new middle school, rather than relying on the warped lessons in civics you were taught by a pseudo-Christian homeschool teacher, who probably has no other educational qualifications than being a parent and following someone like Fred Phelps into absurdity.

  • 108. Ronnie  |  December 20, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Civics RULES!!!!!!…. XP ….Ronnie

  • 109. James Sweet  |  December 20, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Given the generational transition that has taken place in our nation blah blah blah

    Translation: I wanted to have a vote on the record going either way, so I can pander to both sides.

    The "I support repeal eventually, but not now" is a superficially plausible-sounding argument, that happens to be unsupported by the facts. Of course, since the vast majority of people the world over are severely under-informed in regards to just about everything, it would seem that superficially plausible-sounding arguments are the best kind!

  • 110. Ann S.  |  December 20, 2010 at 1:48 am

    Michael, the argument you are making, taken to its logical conclusion, is that we need more and more and more laws, and that this will somehow protect us from those so-called activist judges refusing to — enforce the law? This makes no sense at all, and if it did it would apply to every criminal law in the nation. But it makes no sense.

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