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A really important piece. When you think about it, so many of these groups are oft-quoted in many media pieces without full background -Adam

Cross-posted at Good As You

By Jeremy Hooper

NYT-7/2In the July 2 edition of the New York Times, reporters Erik Eckholm and Katharine Q. Seelye wrote an article (“New York’s Approval of Same-Sex Marriage Spurs Opponents for New Fights”) that ably summed up the lay of the land in the fight over same-sex marriage, as that fight is largely understood by the American mainstream press and public. The problem, unfortunately, is that this mainstream understanding of the stakes only paints a half-portrait of what is really going on. To fully understand this fight, one must dig deeper.

Let’s start with the Family Research Council, billed early on in the 7/2 article as “one of the largest conservative Christian advocacy groups.” Not a surprising billing, since this organization does undeniably earn mainstream credence via its cable TV bookings, annual events that play host to GOP leading lights, and religious right support structure. But those of us who closely follow FRC know a very different organization. For instance, there is the DVD that FRC is currently circulating (one for $14.95; a pack of five for $59.95!) which positions gay people as kid-threatening disasters in need of “ex-gay” therapy, complete with cover art that evokes gay-incited nuclear fallout. There are also FRC brochures that directly Screen Shot 2011-07-07 At 10.56.26 Amcompare same-sex marriages to those bonds which might exist between a man and a horse, illustrated with an equine photo to drive home the offensive point (actual brochure pic., at left).

Then there’s FRC president Tony Perkins, who has directly likened equality activists to terrorists, called LGBT rights a battle of “good versus evil,” accused Don’t Ask Don’t Tell repeal proponents of being “willing to jeopardize our nation’s security to advance the agenda of the radical homosexual lobby,” claimed gay teens kill themselves because they know that they’re “abnormal,” said the liberal activists who challenge FRC are “held captive by the enemy,” and wrote that same-sex marriage will be “opening the door to all manner of moral and social evil. To name just a few of Tony’s slights.

Though to really get to the heart of FRC on gay issues, one must turn to Senior Fellow Peter Sprigg. This is a man who told a journalist from Northwestern University’s Medill Reports that he’d “much prefer to export homosexuals from the United States than to import them into the United States.” Sprigg also once told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews that “there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior,” and then answered Matthews’ direct followup question of “So we should outlaw gay behavior,” with a direct “yes,” which he rounded out with a smug laugh. Out of all of the above-listed slights, it is most likely Mr. Sprigg who served as the tipping point for the highly selective and respected Southern Poverty Law Center to designate FRC as one of only a handful of official anti-gay hate groups.

Or what about Minnesota, where a marriage amendment will go to referendum in 2012? The 7/2 Times article quotes the executive director of the Minnesota Catholic Conference as saying “[s]everal local and national groups are starting to coalesce into a campaign in support of the amendment.” The national group, primarily, is the National Organization for Marriage, who I will get to in a second. But the local group fighting this fight is the MInnesota Family Council — an outfit that has, quite truly, contributed more off-base rhetoric than just about any state-level group fighting this fight. For instance, MFC’s president, Tom Prichard, wrote in 2010 — a year when the nation, in general, and Minnesota, in particular, was facing a rash of LGBT teens taking their own lives — that “gays live in conflict with how they are made,” which Prichard cited as the reason for higher rates of suicide among LGBT youth. Before that, on March 5, 2009, Prichard likened “counterfeit” same-sex marriages to the sub-prime mortgage crisis. He’s also on record advising Minnesotans to reject gay marriages the way Lincoln rejected slavery. Yes, really.

There’s also MFC researcher Barb Anderson, whose pet cause is telling gay teens that they can “change.” In a December 2010 interview with Peter LaBarbera (whose Americans For Truth organization is also on the SPLC’s hate groups list), Ms. Anderson said of pro-gay curriculum in America’s schools: “They call themselves inclusive but they don’t include ‘ex-gays,’ they say they are tolerant but they’re not tolerant of ‘ex-gays’ — this is a whole message that they do not want heard because then that takes away the myth that they are born that way.” Anderson went on to advise gays and their straight supporters that they “are getting on board a train that is leading down a track that is going to be very harmful to them and their friends.”

But perhaps the most glaring MFC discovery came this May, when I stumbled on some quite eye-opening claims that the group had made in the legislative handbook it distributes among supporters. In one passage, MFC compared 6A00D8341C503453Ef014E88Dd9667970Dhomosexuality to bestiality, as well as positioned the ingestion of urine and feces as a common homosexual practice. In another part, MFC wrote that “accepting homosexuals as ‘normal’ victimizes homosexuals themselves.” And in yet another part (seen at left), gays were compared to people who practice incest or pedophilia, with notoriously discredited “researcher” Paul Cameron cited as a credible source for these claims. Days after I sent their claims viral — and while the group was engaged in a legislative battle to get the now-passed constitutional marriage ban before mainstream voters — MFC quite tellingly yanked the documents from its website. Fortunately I saved copies.

Moving to another state: Mr. Eckholm and Ms. Seelye also focused on North Carolina, giving a benign platform to Return America president Ron Baity to express casual support for a state marriage amendment. Casual, because to get to the heart of Rev. Baity’s fight, one really has to listen to some of his church sermons (audio available online) or other statements he’s made when New York Times tape recorders were not around. In a 3/01/09 sermon titled “Marriage,” Baity said that “contrary to the psychologists today, people are not born homosexuals, before stating that “God will save” gays from their “learned lifestyle[s].” In a 2/15/09 sermon titled “Family,” he called gay families “nauseating” and accused equal rights proponents of sowing the “seeds of destruction.” In a January 2011 newsletter for his organization, the reverend told his supporters that “[s]ince they cannot produce they must recruit young people to their perverted, warped agenda. One cannot think of anything more nauseating, debased, lewd and immoral than recruiting precious young people into such shameful conduct.” And so on and so forth. With Rev. Baity, I could literally fill a whole column with nothing but his condemnatory quips — quips that, in the usual fashion, show how much beyond marriage his goals really extend. (more here and here)

Another focus of the 7/2 piece was New Hampshire and the fight to overturn that state’s legal marriages. For this we get yet another set of measured quips from a local leader, this time Kevin H. Smith, the executive director of Cornerstone Action. CPRCornerstone Action is simply billed as a conservative group. And it’s true, CPR is engaged on a number of conservative issues, from healthcare to life issues. But if one goes to the “helpful links” section of CPR’s site where supporters are given a whole host of resources to learn about any number of public policy matters, one will learn that the sole suggestion for what CPR labels as “homosexual issues” is for gay people to “change” who they are. CPR gives a total of four links (Love Won Out, NARTH, Exodus International, Parents & Friends of Ex-Gays, seen at left) to this policy point, all of which push so-called “ex-gay” therapy. The very kind of therapy that is shunned by the whole of credible science. The very kind of therapy that goes WAY beyond civil marriage equality.

And then there’s the National Organization For Marriage itself, the group that fills up the bulk of both the July 2 piece and the discourse on the anti-equality side of this “culture war.” For crucial insight into NOM, one should most fully turn to 6A00D8341C503453Ef014E88832970970DMaggie Gallagher, co-founder and most known spokesperson for America’s “protect marriage” movement in general. Speaking to Christian radio host Janet Parshall on Aug. 9, 2010, Maggie (who now serves as NOM chair) told gay people that they “can always control their behavior” — “behavior” she admitted she considers “unfortunate.” Via her nationally syndicated column, Maggie once suggested of President Bush that “ex-gay” therapy deserves more research dollars. In that same venue, she also admitted that she considers homosexuality to be “at a minimum, a sexual dysfunction much as impotence or infertility,” and “like infertility…a sexual disability preventing certain individuals from participating in the normal reproductive patterns of the human species.” All of which leads one to the only obvious conclusion: That despite her constant talk about “protecting marriage,” Maggie’s impetus for co-founding NOM was built on much more than simply wedding cakes, bridal registries, marriage licenses, or even religious exemptions. Gay people remain the primary issue.

With Maggie, it’s not even just gay people, either. Speaking to her base on Catholic radio back in the summer of 2008, Maggie extended her “unfortunate” labels to straight supporters of marriage equality as well, saying that they, like LGBT people, are “

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” Funny, she never says any of that when testifying before Congress or appearing on “PBS News Hour.”

The problem is that this stuff rarely gets out in the mainstream press. For whatever reason, we have a team of “culture warriors” who’ve successfully coated themselves in rhetorical Teflon, allowing them to say just about anything against LGBT people while still maintaining prominent roles within the political commentariat. In any other socio-political debate, the full breadth of the fight tends to get out there, with the public free to weigh the core issues, whatever those might be. But with LGBT conversations, our mainstream media all too often extends a pass — one that sidesteps the true endgame for pragmatic, carefully media-honed talking points. The end product is a mere surface-scratch — one that allows the opposition movement to strike right at the the heart of certain people’s beings, yet still work the illusion that their fight is limited to certain institutions.

If our goal is to have a truthful debate on the merits, then our press outlets need to start fully identifying the broadness of the anti-equality movement’s strokes. We’ve already done the legwork: Take it. Use it. Give it wings! Because just focusing on the “protect marriage” campaigning but not focusing on its underlying motivations is like noting the color of a wedding cake’s decorative frosting yet neglecting to mention the snake oil that was used to bake it. The substance matters.


  • 1. Ann S.  |  July 8, 2011 at 10:17 am


  • 2. davep  |  July 8, 2011 at 10:37 am

    An excellent article, making excellent points. As of now, the attitude of the general public is such that pro-equality can WIN – if we can get the truth about these hate groups out into the public! Groups like NOM and FRC have already given us all the ammunition we need, in the form of their own vulgar hateful comments that reveal the ugly truth about their real agendas and their bizarre beliefs.

    Keep exposing them! Each of us can do our part by speaking up and letting people know who and what these groups really are. When these groups get mentioned in the press, or when they are given a forum in an editorial section of the press, REPLY with the truth about them. Tell everyone you know. And if you have the power and the access to get the press interested in doing a story that exposes them, do it! Stories like that would be good material for shows like 20/20 etc.

  • 3. Ozymandias71  |  July 8, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Personally I think that MSNBC could take a story like this and run with it. Certainly Rachel Maddow (for example) has done a great job of connecting the dots between Uganda's 'Kill the Gays' bill with American Evangelicals and 'The Family'.

    A major news organization doing in-depth reporting like this would no doubt send NOM into collective apoplexy.

  • 4. jpmassar  |  July 8, 2011 at 11:41 am

    BREAKING: Military stops all DADT proceedings. To allow LGBTs to enlist. (All pending a decision on whether or not to appeal the Ninth Circuit's lifting of the stay of Phillips' order).

    via PHB

  • 5. Mark Mead-Brewer  |  July 8, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Just found out the healthcare organization I work for has been recognized once again by the HRC as a leader in LGBT equality employeement and treatment of both staff and patients.

    Part 1:

    LGBT Healthcare Equality Index recognizes Group Health

    The Human Rights Campaign has recognized Group Health among Leaders in LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) Healthcare Equality for 2011. Group Health was one of only seven large organizations recognized in the campaign’s Healthcare Equality Index (HEI) Network Leaders category, which also included Kaiser Foundation Hospitals and the University of Washington Medicine.

  • 6. Mark Mead-Brewer  |  July 8, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Part 2:

    In both 2009 and 2010, Group Health was recognized in the Clinic/Outpatient Facility category for its health care equality at Central Hospital. In 2011, all 31 administrative and medical center facilities were singled out, as both a health care provider and employer, for meeting the following qualifications:

    Protecting all LGBT patients from discrimination, based on sexual orientation and gender identity, with inclusive patient non-discrimination policies.
    Granting equal visitation access to same-sex couples and same-sex parents through explicitly LGBT-inclusive visitation policies.
    Providing LGBT cultural competency training to all applicable employees, including administrative staff, medical assistants and technicians, allied health professionals, nursing staff, and physicians.
    Protecting all LGBT employees from discrimination, based on sexual orientation and gender identity, with inclusive employment non-discrimination policies.

  • 7. Mark Mead-Brewer  |  July 8, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Dr, Bailey was invited by the Human Rights Campaign to submit a testimonial on “The Business Case for LGBT Inclusion: Employee Recruitment and Retention at Group Health.” Dr. Bailey has been actively involved with the Human Rights Campaign since 2000 as a local leader, a Board of Directors member, and a member of the HEI National Advisory Council. For the past two years, she has served on the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association Board and will become its president in September 2011.

  • 8. Mark Mead-Brewer  |  July 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Well there was more to the story but I seem to be denied from posting it…..

  • 9. AnyaAngie  |  July 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    What an excellent article! It makes some excellent points!

    Since these hate groups make such gross associations with the LGBT community, perhaps we should fight fire with fire: Liken these groups to the KKK! Can you think of a better analogy that is SURE to get people's attention? *WINK*

  • 10. JoeRH  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    AnyaAngie, I have been saying this kind of stuff FOREVER. We need to step up our response to this crap. As pointed out in this post, these groups are all over the airwaves. Someone told me here that it would be pointless because not a lot of people know what NOM is, so it would be pointless. NO IT WOULDN'T! I find our tactics to be getting weaker and weaker. We're all about "We're not bad people" but what about "Our opponents say ____. Well this particular group is guilty of the following…" We need to fight fire with fire. Sure we shouldn't rely on that alone, but we need some balls! I think the closest thing to fighting back was the FCK H8 thing, which was a completely moronic tactic anyway. Other than that it's just being as nice as we can be.

  • 11. Jon  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    For decades, news items gave equal space and weight to tobacco
    industry PR that it gave to legitimate voices from the scientific
    and health community.

    The way that finally got changed: exposing the industry's
    duplicity, in ways that even news organizations could understand.
    The huge gap between what the industry was saying publicly
    and what it said privately was very helpful here.

    So exposing NOM the same way is a good way to go.

  • 12. peterplumber  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    But perhaps the most glaring MFC discovery came this May, when I stumbled on some quite eye-opening claims that the group had made in the legislative handbook it distributes among supporters. In one passage, MFC compared homosexuality to bestiality, as well as positioned the ingestion of urine and feces as a common homosexual practice.

    I think this is why we are told to come out and be more visible. These tight a** people have preconceived ideas about us and spread these notions to other people who never met a real gay person. Then there is the fact that news media, when showing a story about Gay Pride or other gay events always pick out the "show-off" in the crowd, like the outrageous drag queens or the guys in nothing but briefs, rather than people who don't stand out in a crowd. (What is wrong with a guy in briefs anyway? If he were at the beach in a Speedo, would there be the same objection?)

  • 13. peterplumber  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    (How long is too long? I had to split this comment because it was too long.)
    Then there is gay literature, whether it be fact or fiction. I read the book titled "Faggots" by Larry Kramer, and I was ashamed to be a faggot. There was a lot of downright gross events described in detail in that book. But it is mostly, if not all, fiction. Yet groups like FRC and NOM can't differentiate. They think anything they see, read or hear is FACT.

  • 14. AnyaAngie  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Yes I agree. I can actually see an analogy for the KKK being compared to NOM and other such groups. The KKK is against homosexuality, so is NOM. Hence, what's the difference between the two groups? They all justify their hate for the same basic reasons, don't they?

    I read a quote from Michelle Bachman saying it wouldn't be long before "homosexuality is taught in schools." I had to laugh and quoted the movie Milk to a friend: "And how do you 'teach' homosexuality? Is it like French?"

    I think an interesting way to combat the whole "takeover of education" bit would be to ask people what they learn/learned in Black History Month. We didn't learn about interracial couples or were encouraged to have sex with African-Americans. We celebrated their accomplishments and pointed out that they were made possible by African-Americans. That is how it will be in California, educating students about the accomplishments of the LGBT community over the years. We should point out Birth Of A Nation and the fears it inflicted on people, and highlight the reasons that the KKK use to justify their hatred, pointing out that they are almost identical to the reasons of NOM, FRC, and other such groups.

    Maybe I haven't hit the bull's eye regarding this idea but I think you can understand what I mean… The KKK is one of the most horrific and hated groups in this nation, and they came to be such by highlighting their misconceptions and getting the TRUTH out, about them and the people they hated. So it seems natural, to me anyway, to use the same strategy.

    About the whole "ex-gay" thing… I think it is all brainwashing there. An idea to combat this would be to define what brainwashing is, and how it is done, and that anyone is susceptible to it. Showcase the procedures of these "therapies," and point out how similar they are to the techniques of brainwashing.

    I never watch WifeSwap on purpose, but I had to when I saw the promo for a particular episode in which a forward-thinking woman goes to a backward fundamentalist Christian family's home. The man literally brainwashed his daughters into thinking that no woman had any right to be more than a wife and mother. She tried to get these daughters to understand that if they COULD be more. She even began to convert the eldest daughter, 16. She considered studying to be a doctor. Her father took all the girls out for the night and when she saw them again, the daughter changed her viewpoint entirely, and the woman knew it had to have been due to brainwashing. That's what happens to "ex-gays," I'm sure.

  • 15. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    I had to split my post into 4 parts, but the system would only let me post 3 of them….the 4th kept getting
    "deleted by admin"
    Yet I see/read other posts much longer than what I was trying to post…..seems odd :-(

  • 16. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I agree completely!!
    What is wrong with a guy in briefs?
    We see far more 'skin' at the beach or water park

  • 17. Ronnie  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Subscribing &……* cough * * RELIGIOUS LIBERTY * * cough *…um…most likely a CULT!!!!..but "religious liberty" none the less….. : /

    DA: Boy killed for gay 'behavior,' woman for leaving group marriage

    "A Durham man who led a religious group killed a 4-year-old boy who he feared was gay and a 28-year-old woman who couldn't have children and wanted to leave the group, prosecutors said in a court hearing Friday."

    "Prosecutors laid out evidence they believe justifies the death penalty against Peter Lucas Moses, 27, who faces two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Jadon Higganbothan, 4, and Antoinetta Yvonne McKoy, 28. Defense attorneys didn't speak in his behalf at a court hearing Friday."

    (me) Give this disgusting monster everything he deserves.

    P.S. This is the America FRC et al. wants & is perpetuating….after all, this sociopath was just practicing his "religious liberty", right?…RIGHT????!!!!!…..I'm going to through up…. :-&

    Although they were brutally murdered, I hope Jason & Antoinette are at peace in what awaits us all. As Jon T. always says…."This is the price of hate"…..Hope someday soon for peace, love, equality, unity, & a world that is truly safe for all……<3..Ronnie

  • 18. AnyaAngie  |  July 8, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    *sigh* My friend, I know what you mean.

    My mom was shopping a few years ago, and a guy about my age (early 20s) offered to help her with her groceries. He and a group of kids (high-schoolers) proceeded to wash her car at no charge. He was an assistant pastor at a church youth group. Mom thought he was nice/handsome and since he was about my age, suggested I go to the group to meet him. She blatantly said "I'm trying to get you a DATE" after warning me not to rave about figure skating, which I'm deeply interested in. Since it's a big interest and a big part of my life, I do bring it up when I first meet someone… what rational person doesn't talk about their interests when they meet someone? Anyway, my point is, I get there, and the first thing the guy asks me is "Have you given your heart to Jesus?" I was unaware that the group would be focused around religion; I thought it was just a social group that worked through a church. It isn't even MY religion (I'm Roman Catholic, I don't know WHAT group these guys were affiliated with!) We had a few minutes to socialize, then a formal meeting began. They focused on different topics every month, and that month happened to focus on converting people to Christianity by proving other religions were WRONG. I was like WHOA, I KNOW this group isn't for me! Naturally, homosexuality did come up a few times during the course of my time there. I had a choice, of course, to keep going or to quit. I kept going for several reasons: One was I wanted to get away from my work (writing). Another was I wanted to HELP these high-schoolers see the light on the lies they were being fed. During the course of events I happened to have acquired tickets to my first-ever Stars On Ice. I relayed that information to the assistant pastor in casual conversation… Wait till you hear what transpired.

    He said, "You know my parents went to that 2 years ago (2002) and they said that one skater, the 'gay one? You know who I mean? The gay Canadian?"

    I responded, raising my eyebrows, "Rudi Galindo?"

    "Yeah him! Well, my parents said that he did a routine that was 'sexually offensive."

    For lack of a better word, I was PISSED. I put him in his place: "First off, Rudi is not Canadian, he's American. MEXICAN-AMERICAN if you want to get technical, second, Rudi has never BEEN in Stars On Ice, he's been in CHAMPIONS On Ice, and third, I SAW that show. He skated to The Village People, and the only thing that could be SLIGHTLY considered 'sexually offensive' is he takes his shirt off. But so does Phillipe Candeloro, ALL THE TIME, and he's straight!"

    Yeah I got mad. I relayed this anecdote to my friend Marsha, and she said, "What did you expect? He could have skated to Rachmaninov in black pants and a black shirt and they'd STILL find something wrong with it!"

  • 19. davep  |  July 8, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    BINGO! Very good analogy.

  • 20. C. Smith  |  July 8, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    How is it that they keep claiming that gays should not have rights because it's a choice…but they still demand religious rights, which is definitely a choice…I bet there are even ex-christians, ex-catholics, ex-jews, ex-muslims, etc….to prove that it's a choice and not an inherent, in-born predetermined religious view. Heck, some religions even make you be "born-again"…and again…and again…and again.


  • 21. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  July 8, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    GOOD FOR YOU AnyaAngie!!!
    Rudy's brother George use to be my best friend's room mate in San Jose….got to meet Rudi on several occassions…..back when he was still skating with Kristie Y. 😉

  • 22. Steve  |  July 8, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Hey. He acted on sincerely held religious beliefs. We have to respect that!

  • 23. AnyaAngie  |  July 8, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    WOW that's awesome! Who would have thought :) :)

    Some more crazy things this pastor said:

    "Most gay men get AIDS"

    That ticked me off, because of course statistics say that AIDS is contracted most by STRAIGHT WOMEN.

    He also refused to see Bruce Almighty because it had God being played by "a black man."

    That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I went one more week and I quit. I glared at him and said "Morgan Freeman is one of the finest actors working today, has been nominated 4 times for the Academy Award (at the time he hadn't won). God should be FLATTERED that they chose him to play Him."

    Anyway yeah. I stood up for Rudi 😀

  • 24. AnyaAngie  |  July 8, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    It breaks my heart and makes me sick to my stomach as you are to hear this. I just read the article on twitter, and thought the headline was a sick joke, a lie. I prayed it wasn't true, then upon clicking the link of course I found out it was all too real. So sad, so terrifying.

  • 25. nightshayde  |  July 8, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    I'm guessing the pastor wasn't thrilled by Alanis Morissette playing God in "Dogma," either. Then again, he likely wouldn't have been amused by any part of the film… (I loved it, though).

  • 26. Steve  |  July 8, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Morgan Freeman is also an atheist. That's some irony

  • 27. Ronnie  |  July 8, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    This psycho virago Michelle Bachman & every other vile neanderthal that signs this White supremacist, Fascist, heterosexist, anti-American, anti-Freedom & inhuman, HUGE-government manifesto knows NOTHING about American History.

    Bachmann Believes Black People Were Better Off During Slavery?

    As a descendent of slaves I am offended by this. As a gay man I am offended by this. As a natural born American citizen, I am offended by this. And as a human that has gotten straight A's in every history class that he has taken in his 27years of life all the way back to kindergarden I am offended by this.

    "Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President."

    : O ……………..

    A large number of children born into slavery were mixed race due to their mothers being raped by their white masters. Children were often sold. So NO they were NOT in safe homes with one mother & one father. Sometimes they were considered living toy dolls for the privileged white spoiled brat children who at the time didn't fully understand slavery until they got older & joined in the whipping of black people who didn't work hard enough or tried to run away. Years later those types of white people became the KKK who hanged black people & set crosses placed in the front yards of black people on fire as a warning to get out of "their" town.

    Yes, Michelle Bachman, African-Americans were totally better off when they were slaves (sarcasm)……IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!…..ARE YOU F@#KING KIDDING ME WITH THIS SHITE!!!!!!!!

    OMFGuuuuuhhhh….I'm so steamed over this…. >I ….Ronnie

  • 28. Sagesse  |  July 8, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Analysis of what this may mean for the future of the LCR case.

    Military gay discharges end
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  • 29. Kathleen  |  July 8, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    I know a lot of you get notices from the courts on the Perry case, so just to let everyone know…. the notice that just came through is just a copy of the 9th Circuit's docketing notice for Proponents' appeal of Judge Ware's denial of their motion to vacate. As reported earlier, this new appeal is 9th Circuit case number 11-16577. At present, the opening brief is due Oct 3, but this could change.

  • 30. LCH  |  July 8, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Thanks for putting into words what my anger prevents me from putting into coherent sentences.

    But I'm glad she and Santorum (the other signer) are not trying to hide the fact that they'res batshit. She'll win Iowa but not the nomination.


  • 31. Jeff Tabaco  |  July 8, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Thanks, Kathleen! I got the e-mail notice and came straight here. You're always on the ball.

    Sigh, October! Hopefully this gets sped up somehow over the next few months…

  • 32. Sagesse  |  July 8, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    From the FRC.

    House Votes to Protect Religious Liberty in the Military, Uphold DOMA

    Read more:

    "Military chaplains would fall into jeopardy if the Navy decides to enforce its referral policy in which any chaplain declining to perform a same-sex wedding would be required to find someone who would perform the wedding. A referral order of this kind could very well drive many chaplains out of the military altogether."

  • 33. Sagesse  |  July 8, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Lists the Democarats that voted for, and Republicans that voted against.

    House votes to reaffirm DOMA in defense spending bill

    House votes to bar ‘Don’t Ask’ repeal training for chaplains

  • 34. Sagesse  |  July 8, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Falls welcoming group gay marriage ceremony in state park on July 25

  • 35. Sagesse  |  July 8, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Gay Marriage Gains Ground Among Insiders

  • 36. Paul in Minneapolis  |  July 8, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    This woman is such an embarrassment to my state. I don't know what the people of the 6th district are thinking when they elect her. Thankfully I live in the 5th district and am represented by Keith Ellison, a true friend of the GLBT community.

    Michele Bachmann and her inanity offend a lot of us; believe me, Ronnie, we share your outrage. At least the woman has announced that she won't be running for reelection, as she'll be focused on her presidential campaign. I'd love to see her as the republican nominee — I may even cross party lines and vote for her in the primary — because Obama won't have any problems with his reelection facing a nutcase like Bachmann.

    The entire citizenry will be better off when the nightmare known as Michele Bachmann is out of politics. Many people eagerly look forward to that day.

  • 37. Sagesse  |  July 8, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Airman’s DADT Discharge Suspended Following Court Ruling

  • 38. Sagesse  |  July 8, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    The New Republic Takes on Trans Issues

  • 39. Paul in Minneapolis  |  July 8, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    This is one of the best columns I've read here. Excellent work!

    In case you missed it, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan is worried that polygamy and infidelity will be the next "redefinition of marriage." My comments there will apparently never be displayed, which is what I expected. Too bad, given the amount of restraint I used. I must have hit a nerve….

  • 40. Sagesse  |  July 8, 2011 at 8:30 pm


    Justice for All
    Eight years after the Supreme Court struck down sodomy laws, lawyer Paul Smith looks to the future of LGBT equality

  • 41. Martin the Brit  |  July 9, 2011 at 2:21 am

    Apologies for being a wet blanket but I think the ultimate problem is that bad press is always going to affect ‘us’ more than it does ‘them’. It’s not NOM or the FRC that are constantly having their rights put up to a vote, it’s us. Don’t get me wrong, no one is more deserving of a karmic backlash than the antigay groups, I’m just not sure how much good it would do us. It’s not like FRC’s hate group status has stopped them from appearing at Republican events or…well, done anything as far as I can tell (do feel free to correct me on that though).

  • 42. AnyaAngie  |  July 9, 2011 at 2:21 am

    Bachman should take classic 80s tv advice:


    It's statements like THAT that will surely cost her the election. At least one woudl HOPE so. What would it say about our country as a whole if someone with that attitude was elected as our leader?

  • 43. grod  |  July 9, 2011 at 5:47 am

    Truth about Us and Truth about them
    While I agree with your statement about 'Keep exposing them'; 'letting people know' is as much about the positive realities of individuals, couples, families of the LGBT community. Doing so in tandem with you approach. This juxtaposition may be what might change more people's attitudes. However, many people read, watch, hear information that only reinforces their current views.
    Civil marriage equality’s main target audience is the influenceable middle. Apparently what reinforces their growing favourable attitude is awareness of the LGBT positive reality in their local neighbourhood, community, municipality and state. Making know, the personal impact of hate on the family of their cousin's or neighbour's gay son or daughter. I fully agree with you that “Each of us can do our part by speaking up”, however I would also suggest testimonials are an important way of 'exposing them'. And as you said Keep doing so. G.

  • 44. Sagesse  |  July 9, 2011 at 5:51 am

    A longish discussion of the Family Leader 'pledge'. This illustrates why the Republicans tilt so far toward the culture war agenda. They(think they) need it to win primaries like Iowa, and they need to win those primaries to get the nomination. It isn't about 'public opinion'; it's about Republican opinion in narrow voting blocks. Once the commitment is made, it's hard to take it back.

    Just Sign Here

  • 45. Sagesse  |  July 9, 2011 at 5:56 am

    Martin, I do think it reduces their presence and impact in 'legitimate' forums like mainstream media and testimony before congress, for instance. It just makes NOM the almost-hate group the go to spokesperson instead, but it has had an effect. Peter Sprigg is almost never interviewed anymore, and Tony Perkins is picked up by press release, but not so much in person anymore. That's anecdotal observation on my part… others feel free to chime in.

  • 46. Sheryl_Carver  |  July 9, 2011 at 12:22 pm


    Your link didn't work for me. In case others have the same problem, try this:

  • 47. MarcosLB  |  July 9, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    The L.A. Times has the bad habit of quoting Tony Perkins of the evil FRC. Here is an email I sent to the author of a piece written concerning Judge Ware's decision:

    Dear Maura,

    Would you seek and accept quotes from the grand dragon of the KKK regarding African American discrimination court cases, and publish them as if they were credible?

    The Family Research Council has been deemed a hate group by the Souther Poverty Law Center.

    The time has come to stop giving these people a voice, or if you must please include the fact that they have been deemed a hate group by the SPLC.

    Thanks for your consideration.

  • 48. Sheryl_Carver  |  July 9, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Good for you, Marcos!

    While some of these MSM organizations are deliberately promoting the anti- rhetoric, I'd guess that many truly do not know that these "experts" are discredited &/or associated with known hate-groups. Pointing this out to the appropriate MSM management may very well limit the venues these bigots can use to publish their garbage.

  • 49. MarcosLB  |  July 9, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Thanks for posting this. Shocked that it is on the Sacramento Bee website, I thought this was a somewhat liberal leaning paper.

    I posted the following comment: " The Family Research Council has been deemed a hate group by The Southern Poverty Law Center. How about running an opinion piece by the Grand Dragon of the KKK? Shame on you Sacramento Bee! "

    We need to call them out on this kind of stuff, the time has come, just as it did for the KKK, to marginalize these hate groups.

  • 50. Sheryl_Carver  |  July 9, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I followed MarcosLB's example, & just posted the following there (different, as I didn't want to be redundant):

    And how, exactly, would "Military chaplains would fall into jeopardy if the Navy decides to enforce its referral policy in which any chaplain declining to perform a same-sex wedding would be required to find someone who would perform the wedding."???
    I'm guessing if a divorced Catholic sailor asks a Catholic chaplain to perform a wedding, the chaplain would just refer that sailor to another chaplain. What's the big deal with doing the same for a same-sex couple? Are any military chaplains really that delicate? If so, those people don't belong in the military at all.

  • 51. Sheryl_Carver  |  July 9, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Surprise, surprise! I've actually been able to post some comments on NOM's blog under the "Let the People Vote" topic. While I know I'm not nearly as good at this as many P8TTers, I did my best. My last one is:

    I find it fascinating that people who oppose equal civil rights for LGBTs without any rational reasons, only religious ones (THEIR religion) or "it's always been this way" (it hasn't) or "the sky will fall" (it won't), accuse equality supporters of cherry-picking or "saying it's so won't make it so."

    If it didn't impact the lives of LGBT couples AND THEIR CHILDREN, it would actually be funny.

  • 52. AnyaAngie  |  July 10, 2011 at 12:49 am

    haha haven't seen Dogma but I think I should check it out :) I think another movie that the pastor would have a problem with is See Spot Run, adorable little dog movie with none other than WHOOPI GOLDBERG playing God 😀 I loved the movie but I can imagine if he bothered with it, he would have taken issue with that.

    That is really cool about Mr. Freeman *grin* I actually didn't know that :)

    But yeah the pastor with regards to the LGBT community he said "being gay destroys our culture" and then went on to "explain" in ways that made absolutely no sense. I also recall him saying that supporting LGBT people was "the same as supporting rape and incest." It was a few weeks after I started to go there, and I remember my mouth dropping in shock. I couldn't believe this moron was saying this stuff and that the kids were actually BUYING it. The head pastor, by the way, claimed the Trojan War couldn't POSSIBLY have happened, because the story was passed down through oral tradition before being written down. I'm like "BUT SO IS THE BIBLE!" He also said that yoga was a religion disguised as an exercise program, and doing yoga was betraying Christ. Some of the girls began crying and vowed never to do yoga again!

    CREW was the name of the group btw. They performed a cooky little silent play told by music and "dance" (it wasn't dance but they claimed it was a ballet) about a sinner who was involved in sex/drugs and saved by Christ after he was cricified… I just stared and shook my head. I went up to the one who created it afterward and said "You know if you want to make that a REAL ballet I can help you choreograph that. I suggest watching some Ballanchine, he was amazing." He didn't accept my offer but I know I could have created something FAR superior to that borefest.

    Get this, some time later I was at Ocean City, and there was a group of people performing that same "ballet" on the boardwalk. I thought I recognized the music, and everyone was walking past, minding their own business, and then when they did the crucifiction analogy, everyone stopped and stared at them like they were INSANE, then went on their way and completely IGNORED them! I was so grateful for that; I am not sure if it was the same group but that wouldn't surprise me if it was. I was like OMG I am SO embarrassed for them.

  • 53. MFargo  |  July 10, 2011 at 6:48 am

    I also think, Sagesse, one of the most effective strategies was last summer's NOM's bus tour. The crew from the Courage Campaign–and all those good folks who brought counter demonstrations–exposed the very thing the Times' article talks about. Shining a light on our foes is one way of showing who we are. And I'm not the least bit afraid of "exposing" who the LGBT community is. In some ways, I was victim of anti-gay brainwashing. When I moved to San Francisco in 1990, I was expecting to find Sodom, but instead, I found a group of hardworking, moral people who were almost single handledly fighting a ferocious epidemic. I'll never forget the rush of pride that washed away a lifetime of internalized shame; and that shame came directly for the people who are backing the FRC and NOM. Shine a light! It can only help us and hurt them.

  • 54. James Sweet  |  July 11, 2011 at 9:28 am

    More on FRC: They are now telling their members to pray that homosexuality remains criminalized in Malawi:

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