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NOM’s New York response

NOM Exposed Right-wing

By Adam Bink

The National Organization for Marriage sent out one of their insanely long e-mails and published it on NOMBlog. The topic was how an estimated 10,000 (what a nice round number) turned out at their “let the people vote” rallies on Sunday. Some notes, starting with Fox News:

And on Fox News it was as if the massive rallies simply did not exist. We note with growing concern how rarely Fox News reports in a balanced way on the gay marriage issue—with a few shining exceptions like Bill O’Reilly.

All Brian has to do is take a stroll through DropFox to see same-sex marriage being compared to marrying ducks, as one simple example, to see that, well, Fox doesn’t report in a balanced way — their coverage consistently slants against equality. Clearly, Brian is upset his rallies didn’t get coverage, but let’s not go overboard, here.

On Rick Perry:

We got a very troubling, albeit only preliminary, warning sign from Gov. Rick Perry. We love Gov. Perry, who has a very strong record on life and marriage—but on the other hand, this just happened.

It happened at the Aspen Institute, a very upscale, insider gathering, where people from both sides of the aisle comes together to share ideas, rub elbows, and confirm one another as members of the cosmopolitan elite.

It was at this venue that Gov. Perry was asked about New York’s gay marriage bill, and according to multiple reports he said he was “fine” with it because such decisions should be left up to the states.

Fine? Fine with gay marriage?

Perry quickly walked it back.

On primaries:

We don’t have to argue with mainstream media types. In 2012 New York will have an election. These senators will face their voters, in primaries and in general elections. We will find out if New Yorkers in Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Long Island, and New York City really like electing politicians who lie, flip-flop and then brag about how noble it was to sell out their base and their constituents.

Will GOP elites nationally be misled by this absurd new meme that it’s safe for Republicans to vote for gay marriage—not to mention abandoning the other social issues?

NOM does their best to ignore the fact that you can’t find a lawmaker who’s been defeated in a general election in which marriage played a leading role. I think we’ll see that trend continue, by and large, in 2012. It’s a long way until 2012, and everything will just keep moving in favor of equality when people see the sky hasn’t fallen and their lawmaker did the right thing.

31 Comments

  • 1. tim  |  July 31, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Unsurprisingly the entire piece is not based in this thing called reality. Lets take their Bill O'Reilly comment as their example of "shining". O'Reilly is in favor of civil unions and gay adoption. And has referred to gay friends of his who are raising an adopted troubled child as a family. He has repeatably dressed down evangelicals that attempted to use the bible to push extremist views (his Stephen "I've slept with a 1000 men" Bennet interview is one of my favorites). O'Reilly is many things – a friend of NOM is not one of them. An enemy of gays is also not one of them.

  • 2. JonT  |  July 31, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    'Will GOP elites nationally be misled by this absurd new meme that it’s safe for Republicans to vote for gay marriage—not to mention abandoning the other social issues?'

    They sound scared of a future without automatic republican support.

    Good. :)

  • 3. Sarah  |  July 31, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    I feel like the states' rights issue is one we need to harp on more. If Rick Perry can use it as justification for being "fine" with marriage equality, perhaps we should pursue it more. Of course NOM glosses over that argument, but I think (or hope) it would hold weight with other conservative people if they actually thought about it.

  • 4. Bill S.  |  July 31, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    The states' rights issue can't help us because the states already do decide if they will legalize same-sex marriage. I imagine Gov. Perry would be vehemently opposed to legalizing equal marriage in Texas, he just doesn't care about what other states do.

    It's hard to legalize gay marriage in State W by convincing people in states X, Y, and Z to just not care if state W legalizes it.

  • 5. truthspew  |  July 31, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    NOM is well known for spinning and twisting the facts, be the numbers on their supporters, or on their alleged 'friends'.

    In essence, NOM is a tiny little group (Thank's Louis Marinelli!) that is a machine of falsehoods and fallacies. They are skilled at pushing the emotional buttons that make people shell out all sorts of money. But strip the emotional bovine effluent and they have no valid argument against full equality. None whatsoever.

  • 6. Sarah  |  July 31, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    I guess I mean this as it relates to DOMA, which prevents the federal gov't from recognizing that which some states have deemed legal. Just feels like some dissonance to me.

  • 7. Matthew  |  July 31, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    NOM has been releasing a lot of those redicously long threads lately.

    They just make my eyes glaze over. Who has that much free time?

    Not to mention they've been dropping their careful talking points in the blog lately. All that vitriol about us recruiting kids and having shorter lifespans and our conspiracies to steal babies. It would be funny if the extremists weren't so dangerous.

  • 8. John_B_in_DC  |  July 31, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Brag??? Most of the senators who voted for the marriage bill were conflicted and did so only after agonizing over their decision (far more than they should have, in my opinion).

  • 9. Sagesse  |  July 31, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Study looks at experiences of gay Mormons
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM

  • 10. _BK_  |  August 1, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Things like this are very saddening to read. I think a lot of LGBT youth just want the chance to talk with someone who understands what they're going through and can help them out or give them advice. LGBT children in conservative religious families don't often have that chance, unfortunately.

  • 11. _BK_  |  August 1, 2011 at 4:21 am

    Unfortunately, they've begun using their religious arguments once again. It's quite pathetic; their "secular" arguments are rife with fallacies and ignorance, not to mention outright lies. But without their idiotic non-religious claims, the NOMbies have nothing. The NOMbies have no choice but to revert once (or twice, or thrice, or…) more to claiming that their god "says" such and such. I really feel bad for those people. They're hurting millions of Americans, but they're also hurting themselves in the process.

  • 12. James Sweet  |  August 1, 2011 at 5:54 am

    I have to say, it's a little creepy to see NOM's wind-twisting now that they are clearly losing. All of us with half a brain knew that time was working against them fro the start, but there was a time when they could depend on being largely victorious in the short term. Now that that time is passed, their grip of reality seems to be loosening rapidly.

    NOM's bile used to make me just feel angry, a bunch of lying bigots with powerful fund-raising connections. Now I read their stuff, and I feel something else… it's the same sensation I had when my wife's uncle insisted that the legal challenges to the health care bill were almost certain to succeed. Not that they should succeed, or that the health care bill was terrible, all of that is opinion and he is entitled to it — but rather, that it certainly would succeed, even though virtually every legal expert of every political stripe said the opposite. NOM is like that right now. It's just… weird. Creepy.

  • 13. loaferguy  |  August 1, 2011 at 6:21 am

    Oh good grief. I've never seen such horseshit in my life.

    Gay Marriage Is Evil – Comic for Kids:

    [youtube N8Mg3iYdeG8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Mg3iYdeG8 youtube]

  • 14. Rich  |  August 1, 2011 at 6:36 am

    Couldn't even finish this ridiculous "comic" for kids. It's obviously full of stereotypes, even the kids. Any religious organization that would support this should be called out…or is this from the Westboro Baptist Church?

  • 15. Ronnie  |  August 1, 2011 at 7:01 am

    Subscribing & sharing…..

    R Family Vacations (http://www.rfamilyvacations.com/) says "It Gets Better"……….. <3…Ronnie:
    [youtube UBqELjeavSo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBqELjeavSo youtube]

  • 16. loaferguy  |  August 1, 2011 at 7:09 am

    The name of the "artist" is Jack Chick. Here's a link to his biography. I don't recommend you waste your time reading it.
    http://www.chick.com/information/authors/chick.as

  • 17. Gregory in SLC  |  August 1, 2011 at 7:28 am

    Video: Let the (Bussed in) People Vote [NOM video…from "Good As You"] http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2011/07/vide

    and…the name of the bus company they used : ) http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2011/07/best

  • 18. MarcosLB  |  August 1, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Set your DVR: http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/08/0

  • 19. DaveP  |  August 1, 2011 at 8:13 am

    The main thing to know about the author is that Jack Chick is on the SPLC Hate Group list.

    Just another garden variety hatemonger.

  • 20. DaveP  |  August 1, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Woo hoo! I'm bringing the popcorn!

  • 21. Alan_Eckert  |  August 1, 2011 at 8:44 am

    I try to read them from time to time, but I often fall asleep halfway through.

  • 22. Gregory in SLC  |  August 1, 2011 at 9:37 am

    More Census Results: Ohio
    http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/article/20110

  • 23. Gregory in SLC  |  August 1, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Extensive study of Gay Mormons: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM

  • 24. Ronnie  |  August 1, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Via JMG…Best wishes to the happy couple:

    Wedding Announcement
    William Hasty III & Gregory Smith http://www.legacy.com/celebration/thestate/celebr

    And congratulations to Johnny & Sebastian, a bi-national couple that was one of the first couples to marry in New York……next step….repeal DOMA: http://stopthedeportations.blogspot.com/2011/08/j

    Here is the video of their memorable day with Lady Gaga's "Marry the Night" as the soundtrack…..<3…Ronnie:
    [youtube Hni80n31QK8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hni80n31QK8 youtube]

  • 25. karen in kalifornai  |  August 1, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Video removed by YT.
    "This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy prohibiting hate speech.
    Sorry about that."

  • 26. DaveP  |  August 1, 2011 at 11:13 am

    No need to apologize for that, Youtube.

  • 27. Sheryl, Mormon Mom  |  August 1, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I think the study is a wonderful thing and will, hopefully, provide LGBT Mormons and their families with more understanding. Providing families with more understanding will be beneficial to the LGBT members.

    Yes, the stories can be very sad. Glad that I'm a liberal, we need more liberals in the Mormon church.

  • 28. _BK_  |  August 2, 2011 at 1:50 am

    I either laugh too hard or bruise my forehead. Just FYI, facepalming yourself hurts after a while.

  • 29. _BK_  |  August 2, 2011 at 1:52 am

    Ha!

    "This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy prohibiting hate speech."

    No more "Sorry about that." : )

  • 30. Rich  |  August 2, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Thanks for sharing Ronnie; you made my day with this beautiful and oh so honest celebration of love. I felt like I was one of their witnesses so I send them tons of love and support.

  • 31. Ronnie  |  August 3, 2011 at 8:20 am

    You're welcome……… ; ) …Ronnie

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