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North Carolina anti-gay Amendment 1: AP calls race, says amendment passes

Amendment One

By Scottie Thomaston

Amendment 1, changing the North Carolina state constitution to say that marriage between a man and a woman is the “only domestic legal union” that is “valid or recognized” in the state has passed, according to the AP, who has called the race. Turnout is on track to exceed 2004 and 2008 levels.

Thanks to everyone who has worked so hard to fight back against this amendment both within the state and across the country. Everyone who has spent so much time, effort and money working to stop this regressive amendment from becoming law has been inspiring. The coalition against the amendment was a truly enormous and wide-ranging one and it showed that it’s possible to build powerful bonds between different groups. Thanks for working hard and we’ll keep it up in the future. This is a battle in a long-term war.

68 Comments

  • 1. Gregory in SLC  |  May 8, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Washington Post: ditto
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/

    Perhaps this is a signal to President Obama time to end the discrimination.

  • 2. Glenn I  |  May 8, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Looking at your results posts I'd guess there are enclaves in NC where it feels safe and supporting to be gay. Again it's rural v. urban, with rural hating the gay, urban (or college town) spreading the love.

  • 3. Steve  |  May 8, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    The hicks of N.C. would kill their own mothers if it meant going to heaven.

  • 4. Bernadette  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Yet another reason to stay in liberal northeast. Somehow, given the history of N.C. in civil rights history, this is not a surprise. Yet it is a sad moment for America, and it is a sad commentary on what full equality and protection of the law truly means.

  • 5. Phil L  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Sooooo how long will it be before this goes to the courtroom because a heterosexual couple's domestic partnership is voided by Amendment 1?

    Since it passed I honestly can't wait to see the farther reaching effects and to see how badly they screwed up by passing it. These people deserve whatever legal hell they've gotten themselves into.

  • 6. brad  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    This is truly a sad day. SHAME on N.C but like Gregory said, maybe this will be a wake up call for Mr Obama.
    Come on America, catch up already…:(

  • 7. Scottie Thomaston  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    I live in south Alabama, so you all who live in the northeast or west coast are pretty lucky!

  • 8. Richard Lyon  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    The Triangle area of Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill is a generally civilized corner of the world.

  • 9. Walter  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Right-wing religious bigotry and intolerance wins. I think this illustrates why Obama’s strategy of supporting marriage equality in everything but name is wise. The presidential election will be fought in a handful of states where marriage equality is not necessarily a winning issue. Obama won North Carolina last time by a mere 14, 000 votes. A Romney win will put the Mormon Church in charge of marriage equality.

  • 10. Gregory in SLC  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    In 1956 another amendment "handily passed" in N.C. — to later be overturned as unconstitutional:
    http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/05/nc-v

  • 11. Bob  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    sending big hugs and lots of love to you Scottie Thomaston,,,,,,,, for a day well done,,,,, love reaches across borders,,, to you from Canada

  • 12. Bob  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Religion-based bigotry
    defeats marriage equality again
    History will have final say

    Faith in America is saddened by the fact that a majority of voters in North Carolina on Tuesday were duped into believing their religious belief justified bringing harm to the state's gay and lesbian individuals, especially youth and their families.

    This segment of our population – good, decent citizens from all walks of life – will now live under a constitution that deems them unworthy and inferior because a majority of North Carolinians were lead to believe they were voting their religious conviction.

    We acknowledge the right of voters to decide issues but we do not believe such an expression of bigotry should have been put to a vote by individuals who were banking on a win because of the populace's misunderstanding about sexual orientation and society's long embrace of religion-based animus toward gay and lesbian individuals.

    If interracial marriage had been put to a vote 50 years ago, we have no doubt that the populace at that time would have placed a similar constitutional stamp of prejudice and discrimination against African Americans. If voters 50 years ago had been asked to decide whether our constitution should ban women from the pulpit, it is likely such a ban would have passed.

    Bigotry, prejudice and hostility should never be equated with expression of religious conviction. Those who helped promote the notion that prejudice and bigotry toward their neighbor is a morally acceptable position should be ashamed of themselves. We hear some social conservatives rail against how the Taliban in Afghanistan will establish Sharia Law in that country and certain minorities will be persecuted based on misguided religious teaching.

    Voters, many unknowingly, decided to change an esteemed constitution into a vehicle of state-sponsored persecution against gay and lesbian people. They did so because certain individuals and groups promoted the notion that homosexuality is evil and therefore marriage as God's design should be protected from such evil.

    While we are deeply saddened for what Tuesday's vote really means for gay and lesbian youth and their families, we are encouraged by the knowledge that such acts of religion-based bigotry will not stand much longer.

    History has proven time and time again that flawed biblical teaching cannot stand against moral justice and equality. The day is fast approaching when gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people will be free from the oppression of religion-based bigotry. For all those people who voted Tuesday to uplift moral justice and equality in voting against the amendment, know that your collective voices are as a mighty weight bending the arc of history toward that day.

    While saddened by the vote, Faith in America's resolve to confront religion-based bigotry as the No. 1 instigator of harm to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans this evening is only strengthened.

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  • 13. Gregory in SLC  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Facebook Status Update:
    By RuPaul's Drag Race
    North Carolina… I'm sorry, but you're up for elimination.

  • 14. Mark  |  May 8, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Anyone have travel plans to go to NC? Cancel them post haste, and let them know why you are changing your plans. Does anyone really want to go there right now?

  • 15. EricKoszyk  |  May 8, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Not to be negative, but did anyone else volunteer with the Courage Campaign to travel to NC for GOTV and never hear back from them?

    On Sunday, April 29th, I volunteered to go, through a link on this website. I filled out the form and got an automatic email response saying they would be in touch with me.

    I put on the form that I have many years experience working on elections, both as a paid staff and as a volunteer and that I would be willing to take off work and go to NC for the final three days of voting. I said I would do anything they needed, from phone bank to canvass to whatever. I also noted that, since I would be coming from North FL, I am only a short plane ride or 7 hour car ride away.

    I never heard back from them. Not a phone call, not an email. The only emails I received were form emails asking me for more money.

    Again, I'm not trying to be negative on this sad, bitter night. I'm just curious if any other folks had similar experiences?

  • 16. karen in kalifornia  |  May 8, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    How soon, like tomorrow even, will public employees be stripped of domestic partner benefits? Do adoptions get undone?

  • 17. grod  |  May 8, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    The Colorado Civil Unions Act passed its final committee hurdle with a 7-6 vote. It seems there is enough time for civil unions to proceed. The bill will have to get a House floor vote tonight, so that it can have its final reading tomorrow, but there’s no guarantee that the controlling Republican leadership will allow it. Why would they not stopped it earlier if that is there intention.

  • 18. Matt  |  May 8, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I've got a fabulous idea- the tlgb community should call on Obama and the democratic party to move their convention site to another state (preferably one that recognizes full marriage equality) in protest of the outcome of this election. THAT would send a message, and show the state that, yes, there are economic consequences for this tripe.

  • 19. Dsn  |  May 8, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Fear, ignorance, hatred, bigotry, wins out in the backward state of North Carolina. Any surprise? Not really. It will, however, anger and energize the equal rights movement. It’s the last gasp of a dying breed of ignorant hicks.

  • 20. Jimmy P Wood  |  May 8, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    How long till the next courage campaign email asking for money?

  • 21. Jamie  |  May 8, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    But completely surrounded by bigotry and hate.

  • 22. Jamie  |  May 8, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Unfortunately they won't. And there aren't consequences.

  • 23. DougsterM  |  May 8, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Wake up people. It is time we stop being nice and attack those who oppose gay marriage by making their lives have to fit the reasons they say they are against our rights. Marriage is for procreation: Ban marriage for those unable to have children due to medical reasons, age, or inability to get together (like prisoners with life sentences). Marriage vows say "till death do we part": make getting divorces much tougher. Marriage benefits: work toward eliminating some of the thousand plus benefits granted just because of marriage. Etc. Etc. MANY of the benefits of marriage could be fought in court or legislated to not be linked to marriage or civil union or simply taken away. Until we start eroding away all the benefits the "chosen" are given will these peoples eyes be opened and they'll beg to let us to get married and give back their entitlements.

  • 24. Bryce from DC and KS  |  May 9, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Remember how we had a real chance to win? Remember how it was SO close? Then how did we get trounced to the tune of 22 points?!

  • 25. Russ  |  May 9, 2012 at 1:35 am

    Right ON

  • 26. Russ  |  May 9, 2012 at 1:56 am

    It could be the polls were not demographically correct-maybe they included all people , not just likely voters. Alternatively, perhaps people just lied about they way they intended to vote. And just possibly it was never close, and the pre-election polls were spun to raise money. What ever happened it was at terrible tragedy for or all gay people.

  • 27. grod  |  May 9, 2012 at 2:21 am

    Jamie, your prediction in earlier postings was accurate. Including an observation that polls typically overstate support for addressing LGBT concerns. The basic question you posed was ’given limited resources, how best to allocate them (Maine, Washington and Maryland)’ Perhaps once Courage Campaign gets some distance from Amendment 1, this question, untimely posed, in my view' during the campaign, should be revisited.

  • 28. Derek  |  May 9, 2012 at 4:06 am

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/derek-kolb/whats-b

  • 29. _BK_  |  May 9, 2012 at 4:42 am

    Eh, that would overlook the reasons why the convention will be in NC in the first place.

  • 30. talaria9  |  May 9, 2012 at 5:33 am

    I live in Asheville NC. We are proud liberal, pagan, gay, straight, locavores and Prop 1 didn't pass here. We tend to be dependent on tourism and we're doing quite well…. even a little crowded at times. Perhaps we have become and island of refuge for those who wish to escape the narrow attitudes in other places nearby. I still visit California, despite my immense frustration with the passage of prop. H8. As far as changing travel plans, may I suggest visiting Iowa? I hear it's nice there, especially in February.

  • 31. devon  |  May 9, 2012 at 5:40 am

    Apparently the "bishops" and their followers have won.
    Why do black people hate gays so much?

  • 32. JoeRH  |  May 9, 2012 at 5:49 am

    I'm am seriously struggling to be optimistic about the majority of American voters… This tells me that there is still a majority of ruthless pieces of shit. With all the different types of people and companies and organizations that went out there to spread the message that this bill even affect STRAIGHT people, you'd think people would finally absorb the tiniest bit of reason… WRONG! I have absolutely no pride in this country. I think for how far we are in terms of wealth and technology, but when it comes down to it, most of the country is just a bunch of assholes. Any groups of a particular race or religion that came out strongly to support this, I will have no respect for them. Won't even try to be impartial until they can pull their heads out of their asses. I am so enraged right now. Fuck the USA…

  • 33. AnonyGrl  |  May 9, 2012 at 5:58 am

    Jamie… you REALLY gotta work on your attitude, dude. Stop saying "can't, no, won't, don't" and START working on finding POSITIVE things to do. Just saying NO doesn't help anyone, annoys everyone, and makes you sound like a NOMbie.

  • 34. Steve  |  May 9, 2012 at 6:08 am

    It wouldn't go anywhere. The NC Supreme Court is vehemently anti-gay. They previously invalidated second-parent adoptions granted by lower courts.

  • 35. Gregory in SLC  |  May 9, 2012 at 6:22 am

    I hear you JoeRH! Pretty futile to expect even "a tiny bit of reason" from most of those attached to religion. My mom and dad have only showed me love and support my whole life and they adore/love my husband calling him their "other son" from day 1. HOWEVER, when I ask them to vote anything related to gay marriage they said they can't because they have to follow the (MORMON) church leaders who do not support Gay rights/marriage. HUH? Its very odd and Its difficult for me to grasp this…

  • 36. Kate  |  May 9, 2012 at 6:28 am

    Gregory, your folks need to meet Sheryl, Mormon Mom!

  • 37. Gregory in SLC  |  May 9, 2012 at 6:30 am

    Great idea! IRONIC…Sheryl came to Utah…and during that time we were in California…next time…

  • 38. JoeRH  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:25 am

    I would really like to know the answer to the second comment…

  • 39. Straight Dave  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:28 am

    My reflections – Part 1:
    I would like to express my sympathies and concern to all who are affected or potentially put at risk by this horrid result – gay, straight, innocent children, the lot.
    I also admire and recognize all the time, effort, and money contributed by many people in an honorable and valient effort to fight bigotry and injustice. It is never wasted when doing the right thing in good faith.

    Don't lose heart, my friends. I remember so clearly the fall of the Berlin Wall 20+ years ago. That didn't happen overnight, either, but was the culmination of years of aggitation and presure from many directions, which sometimes looked hopeless. And then one day it all came tumbling down, almost without warning. You never know when that last straw will fall into place, but be assurred that all of the intermediate steps do count even if the tangible victories come at an erratic pace.

  • 40. Straight Dave  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Part 2:
    The public visibility, open conversations, and attraction of new support all have served to move the collective consciousness forward. When looking at the big picture, I believe the larger war has progressed in spite of yesterday's loss. There surely must be a good number of people in NC who have recently become better informed, more sensitive to the situation, or had their preconceptions and stereotypes undermined. That all counts as progress. In addition to those genuine steps forward, I do spot a silver lining in the wake of an otherwise disappointing result.

  • 41. Straight Dave  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Part 3:
    Those moderate Carolina folks who liked to believe their state had evolved a bit must have had those dilusions smashed on the rocks of the 61-39% vote. They can no longer smugly claim to the outside world that they are modernized, updated, and tolerant. Instead, they have now been tossed right back into the swamp with the rest of the Deep South. And they have done it to themselves. And they have done it in the face of a large number of moderate, popular, well-known, influential people speaking out in the opposite direction. All of that was ignored and almost openly defied.

    North Carolina, you are not who you think you are.
    I hope you take a long sober look in the mirror, realize you still have a long way to go, and decide to start today to heal your state and embrace all your citizens.

  • 42. MJFargo  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:34 am

    That was never my experience, Russ. The polling on Amendment 1 was never encouraging. However, to walk away from the fight, I believed, was a mistake. And I still believe that. In a different way it's how Prop 8 won. We let people ramrod their hatred; and win or lose, I'm proud of all those who stepped forward to fight in North Carolina. I think it solidified resolve and answered the attacks on our community.

  • 43. Scottie Thomaston  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:47 am

    There's literally zero evidence that "black people" are responsible for the vote.

  • 44. AnonyGrl  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Part 1

    Well said!

    My take is this. Today, the entire country is discussing the fact that North Carolina voted for Amendment One. In the very near yesterday, the rest of the country could barely point out North Carolina on a map.

    While we may have lost this battle, what we have done by FIGHTING it is to make sure that even more people know what we are fighting for, and to bring even more people over to our side.

  • 45. AnonyGrl  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Part 2

    The war is not over. And, with two steps forward and one step back, we are winning it. Giving up on battles we are not going to win only makes it two steps BACK to every step forward. Continuing to fight the long odds is the only way to win this war.

    I have friends in North Carolina who are, today, planning the next move. They are making calls, considering options, deciding on moves. THEY have not given up, and neither will we.

    When we won in the NY legislature, I was there. It was an AMAZING day. I WANT that day for everyone else, everywhere else in this country. I want you ALL to experience that day, that incredible feeling of justice and sweeping love. And you will, we will. I know it, because, in the end, LOVE ALWAYS WINS. Never doubt it.

  • 46. Samantha  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:52 am

    I saw this comment on a site, loved it and had to repost here:

    "I’m so glad that people are always pointing out God’s Law when referring to homosexuality. I really thank these people for doing this since I am so ignorant in a lot of ways. Since I don’t know all of the areas of the bible, and Leviticus 18:22 is the primary passage that is quoted when referring to homosexuality as an “abomination,” I need some clarification on other passages.Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?I’d also like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Leviticus 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I’ve tried asking women, but most women take offense.When I burn a bull on the alter as a sacrifice, I know that it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Leviticus 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?I have another neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it.A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Leviticus 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are these degrees of abominations?Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I need to use reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skid of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?My uncle has a far. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we do to all the trouble of getting the whole city together to stone them? Leviticus 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Leviticus 20:14).I know that a lot of people have studied these things extensively and therefore have considerable expertise in such matters, so I’m confident that you can help me out with my questions …And as always, thanks for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging."

  • 47. Kate  |  May 9, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Yeah………. even NOM's own ads showed an outline of the state of Georgia instead of North Carolina…………. So much for the accuracy of NOM's maps. Maybe they relied on their bibles to find the state.

  • 48. Straight Ally #3008  |  May 9, 2012 at 8:19 am

    To put a bit of perspective on things, consider this. Polls from 2008 to 2009 showed support for same-sex marriage in North Carolina at about 29-30%. While this vote involved civil unions, certainly marriage was the predominant arguing point, and the loss was 39% to 61%. Things haven't progressed far enough in NC for the vote to go our way, as I predicted, but opinion is shifting significantly in the right direction.
    http://andrewgelman.com/2009/06/gay_marriage_a/

  • 49. JefferyK  |  May 9, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Big surprise. Straight people have ruled over us for centuries. They want to continue to judge, control, and harm us. They aren't going to give up that power, certainly not at the ballot box. That power will have to be taken from them. Our only hope is the courts. And while our case is working its way through the courts, we should drop the ineffective grassroots organizing and take to the streets with real civil disobediance. Over and over again, our side has failed to get people to the polls to vote for our side. I want to see 10,000 same-sex couples "wed" in a mock ceremony in Charlotte this summer.

  • 50. JefferyK  |  May 9, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Supporting marriage equality will cost Obama the election — and then where will we be. We need to drop it for now. Marriage rights aren't that urgent, certainly not as urgent as ENDA.

  • 51. Straight Ally #3008  |  May 9, 2012 at 9:47 am

    One more point: looking at the stats, Maine is our best hope to finally win at the polls in 2012.

  • 52. JoeRH  |  May 9, 2012 at 10:03 am

    I think he's talking about polls showing that black supported the bill by more than 70%. Also, it was the largest group to vote for Prop 8 in CA. There is a trend and we're really curious as to why the hypocrisy is so far-reaching. I'm guessing it's just religion-related, which is why we had the holocaust, witch trials and 9/11. Religion is AWESOME!!

  • 53. JoeRH  |  May 9, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Correction: ONE of the largest groups in CA.

  • 54. fiona64  |  May 9, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Thanks, Dougster … from a straight, married, childfree ally who remembers more often every day why she seldom visits a site she used to frequent daily.

  • 55. fiona64  |  May 9, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Here's the reality: 33 percent of voters turned out. 60 percent of those voted for Amendment 1. That means that, at the end of the day, 19.8 percent of NC voters are responsible for this.

  • 56. fiona64  |  May 9, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Christ on a bicycle, people — ethnicity has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. It has far more to do with a high degree of religiosity than ethnicity. Do I really need to drag out the study I posted repeatedly during the Prop 8 trial? Gawd.

  • 57. fiona64  |  May 9, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Hell, NOM apparently thought NC was Georgia until yesterday, if their website infographic for Amendment 1 was anything to go by. It was corrected late in the evening.

  • 58. fiona64  |  May 9, 2012 at 10:52 am

    ::shaking my head:: Not all straight people. Some of us support GLBT rights — just like some Caucasian people marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. While I know I am just one person, I have been physically threatened with violence in person and on line, and stalked to the point that law enforcement got involved because of my support for marriage equality. If you really think that all straight people hate you and/or want to "rule you," I surmise that my support is no longer admired nor required. You aren't the first person to imply as much; gosh, I'm so glad that everything I (and my fellow straight allies) went through has been appreciated.

  • 59. fiona64  |  May 9, 2012 at 10:53 am

    I should add that I have been fighting for marriage equality since Prop 22 first reared its ugly head in 2000. A dozen years fighting for rights that don't affect me at all — because it's the right goddamned thing to do.

  • 60. Nac B  |  May 9, 2012 at 11:00 am

    <img src="http://www.wsale.net/qy/oue.jpg">The gay marriage issue has caused a lot of mess for Obama.<img src="http://www.wsale.net/qyl/ppa.jpg"&gt;

  • 61. Seth from Maryland  |  May 9, 2012 at 11:13 am

    WELL SAID Fiona, im straight and proud to be a ally of the LBGT community

  • 62. fiona64  |  May 9, 2012 at 11:22 am

    I would like to add that I don't do this stuff for glory, laud and honor. However, when people make statements about all straight people like this, you need to understand the message that you send to those of us who give a damn.

  • 63. Mackenzie  |  May 9, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Welp in the end this sucked, no doubt about it. Some can be angry, bitter, depressed, or give up hope. We all woke up today and the world is still moving, things are still progressing. When so many things have gone right for us this year, such a result as last night is hard to swallow. It scares you, makes you wander if things really are getting better. Do not forget the progress we made sine last year starting with NY. We have four contests to fight for this fall, WA, MD, MN, & ME. I am thoroughly disappointed with how yesterday turned out. NOM is gonna be doing their victory dance, which pisses me off even more. This fight will not wait for us to stop feeling sorry for ourselves. Blaming groups of people is not the right way to go about this. We have to swallow this bitter pill and move on. Each of us have been hurt and let down in our lives, many to the point that it has become the routine. Look how far we have come though. I am so blessed to be a young adult during this time in our history. Things are changing, slowly, but changing all the same. We have a lot of work to do before November gets here. So let's get to it!

  • 64. JefferyK  |  May 9, 2012 at 11:52 am

    The foundation of gay oppression is Christian patriarchy, which is a heterosexual construct. I am delighted to see that there are straight people who support gay equality. But there can't be very many of you, considering that time and time again, straight people vote to keep gay people under their thumbs at the ballot box. I have been waiting for straight people en masse to stand up for what is right: to leave their churches, to stop supporting right-wing conservatives, to avoid civil marriage until it becomes something other than an assertion of straight privilege. But they won't because doing so would mean a loss of status — they consider gay people as something less than they are and like the feeling of superiority. So, I am now relying on the courts to lead the way.

  • 65. fiona64  |  May 9, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Well, thank you, Jeffery. I am grateful to know how much all of your allies out in the world are appreciated. As far as we can tell, gay folk represent 3-10 percent of the population. There are a helluva lot more than just gay folk voting in *favor* of your rights. If you want to turn people off from that, just keep on with what you're doing and prove the haters *right.* Plenty of straight folks, myself among them, have been harmed by the Christian patriarchy. It took the gay minister of a Metropolitan Community Church to help me heal … a church that closed because its congregation of loving, caring people could not raise enough money to stay open. We were out there taking on social injustice, feeding the hungry and comforting the ill — just as Jesus taught his followers to do.

    It's nice to know what you think of me as a straight person, though. Thanks for the enlightenment. I had no idea until you told me that I consider my GLBT friends less than myself and enjoy feeling superior. I appreciate your insight. Asshole.

  • 66. Straight Dave  |  May 9, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Come on, Fiona, ease up. JefferyK is not your enemy. He even paid you a compliment.

    " I am delighted to see that there are straight people who support gay equality."

    That's you! He appreciates what you have been doing. No need to lash out at someone I believe you are trying to help. But he is still right to call out the many other straight people who continue to vote against his rights – and there are obviously many. If his description of the religiously-influenced, right wing supporting, hetero-supremacists does not apply to you, you could knowingly nod at their existance and not take that as a personal attack. They certainly do exist, but Jeffery was not applying that to you.

  • 67. fiona64  |  May 10, 2012 at 9:01 am

    When every remark is about what "all straight people do," he is applying it to me — and every other straight ally. I guess find it hard to take one sentence, followed by paragraph after paragraph about the evils of straight people, as particularly complimentary. I suppose one could take it as a backhanded compliment of sorts, if one is willing to stretch.

    Here's the thing. I'm kind of tired of being tarred with the same brush as a loud-mouthed, mean-spirited *minority* of people in this country. 19.8 percent of eligible voters caused the result in North Carolina. Not even 20 percent of those eligible to cast a ballot. Only 33 percent of those eligible to vote turned out, of whom 61 percent voted for discrimination. When you see the actual number, you see how *tiny* it really is. Yes, it's horrible that a small minority of people could do what they did. But godfuckingdammit, not all straight people are like that. And I'm really getting tired of being told that we are. We are no more all like that than gay people are all the same.

    Jayzus. Now I have an even better understanding of why so many *gay* folks who were here from the start have stopped coming.

    /rant off

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