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The employers’ briefs in the Title VII LGBT employment discrimination cases at the Supreme Court are due this week, on the 16th. The case will be argued on October 8.

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  • 1. allan120102  |  August 13, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    Zacatecas is expected to legalize ssm tomorrow. Lets see if it happens.

  • 2. VIRick  |  August 13, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    Zacatecas: Hours Away from Approving Marriage Equality

    Zacatecas: A Horas de Aprobar el Matrimonio Igualitario

    Hoy, el 13 de agosto 2019, en medio de protestas, diputados dieron lectura al dictamen de iniciativa. Grupos "pro-familia" se manifestaron en el recinto de la LXIII Legislatura. Entre algunas protestas y gritos de “familia natural,” la LXIII Legislatura dio lectura al dictamen de la iniciativa con proyecto de decreto mediante la cual se reforma el Código Familiar del Estado de Zacatecas en materia de matrimonio igualitario.

    Con esto, se está a un paso de la aprobación de los matrimonios entre parejas del mismo sexo en el estado de Zacatecas. Se citó a sesión del pleno para mañana miércoles, el 14 de agosto 2019, con lo que podría ser aprobado el dictamen.

    El dictamen se presentó con el voto en contra (en comisiones) de los diputados Adolfo Alberto Zamarripa Sandoval (Nueva Alianza) y Raúl Ulloa Guzmán (PES). El dictamen fue leído por la diputada Carolina Dávila Ramírez (PRI), y señaló que la Organización de las Naciones Unidas ha determinado que los principios de igualdad y no discriminación son partes del estado de derecho, agrega que todas las personas, instituciones, y entidades públicas y privadas están obligados a acatar leyes justas, imparciales, equitativas, y sin discriminación.
    https://www.elsoldezacatecas.com.mx/local/zacatec

    Today, 13 August 2019, amid protests, deputies gave the draft initiative its reading. "Pro-family" groups demonstrated on the premises of the LXIII Legislature. Between protests and shouts of "natural family," the LXIII Legislature read the draft of the initiative with a decree through which the Family Code of the State of Zacatecas would be reformed in terms of marriage equality.

    With this, it is now just one step away from same-sex marriages being approved in the state of Zacatecas. The plenary session of the full congress is scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday, 14 August 2019, and the draft law could be approved then.

    The draft was presented with votes against (in committee) by Deputies Adolfo Alberto Zamarripa Sandoval (Nueva Alianza) and Raúl Ulloa Guzmán (PES). The draft was read by Deputy Carolina Dávila Ramírez (PRI), who noted that the United Nations has determined that the principles of equality and non-discrimination are parts of the rule of law, adding that all persons, institutions, and public and private entities are obliged to comply fairly, impartially, equitably, and without discrimination.

  • 3. VIRick  |  August 13, 2019 at 8:06 pm

    Marriage Equality Votes: Zacatecas on Wednesday; Edomex on Thursday

    Per Gonzalo Kinich‏:

    Este miércoles, el 14 de agosto 2019, se vota matrimonio igualitario en el congreso de Zacatecas y el jueves, el 15 de agosto, en el Estado de México. Ambas iniciativas de Morena.
    https://twitter.com/Kiwi_lloron

    This Wednesday, 14 August 2019, marriage equality is to be voted upon in the congress of Zacatecas and on Thursday, 15 August, in Edomex. Both initiatives are by Morena.

  • 4. VIRick  |  August 13, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    Zacatecas: Marriage Equality Passes in Committee, 5-2

    Per Raymundo Moreno:

    Ayer, el 12 de agosto 209, en comisiones, con votos de Mónica Borrego Estrada y Navi Rayas (Morena), Perla Martínez D. y Carolina Dávila Ramírez (PRI), y Juan Mendoza (PRD), se aprobó el dictamen sobre matrimonio igualitario.

    En teoría, con los votos de los partidos socialdemócratas (PRI, Morena, PRD, PT, y MC), el asunto debería aprobarse sin problemas. Suman 21 votos de 30. Desafortunadamente, el tema no es tan sencillo. Es muy probable que algunos diputados del PRI, del Morena, y el único diputado de MC, voten en contra. En contraparte, un diputado del PES se ha expresado públicamente a favor.
    https://twitter.com/RayMoreno1/status/11612732478

    Yesterday, 12 August 2019, in committee, with the votes of Mónica Borrego Estrada and Navi Rayas (Morena), Perla Martínez D. and Carolina Dávila Ramírez (PRI), and Juan Mendoza (PRD), the draft bill on marriage equality was approved.

    Thus, it passed 5 in favor and 2 against (the two negative votes are mentioned above).

    In theory, with the votes of the Social Democratic parties (PRI, Morena, PRD, PT, and MC), the matter should be approved without problems. Those add up to 21 votes out of 30. Unfortunately, the issue is not so simple. It is very likely that some deputies of PRI, of Morena, and the only MC deputy, will vote against. In contrast, a PES deputy has expressed himself publicly in favor.

  • 5. allan120102  |  August 14, 2019 at 11:36 am

    On a vote 13-11 Zacatecas vote against ssm. Becomes the third state to do it, after Sinaloa and Yucatan.

  • 6. Mechatron12  |  August 14, 2019 at 12:01 pm

    Mexico, your utterly vile homophobia never disappoints. Maybe we'll have better luck in Edomex tomorrow. Yeah, right.

  • 7. scream4ever  |  August 14, 2019 at 1:30 pm

    Did members of the supportive party vote against it? If so they should be kicked out immediately.

  • 8. allan120102  |  August 14, 2019 at 1:56 pm

    Two abstein but even with there votes it would had been a tie so no. We were close but I hope we have better luck tomorrow with edomex

  • 9. VIRick  |  August 14, 2019 at 1:56 pm

    Mexico: Univision TV: First-Ever Gay-Led Prime-Time Telenovela

    This week, to US audiences, Univision unveiled its first-ever gay-led prime-time telenovela, entitled "El Corazón Nunca Se Equivoca" (The Heart is Never Wrong), a groundbreaking first for the Spanish-language network and its millions of global viewers, and one which first premiered in Mexico in June. The series follows a young gay couple, the stars of the show, Cuauhtémoc or “Temo” (played by Joaquín Bondoni), and Aristóteles (Emilio Osorio), as they start a new life together, moving from Oaxaca for college in Mexico City, the fifth-largest city in the world.

    But life for them won’t be easy, of course, as the show hopes to examine the difficulties of being gay in Mexican society. Fans of the show already refer to the couple as “Aristemo.”
    https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/08/univisions-fi

    Note: In the world of Spanish-language television, a "telenovela" compares favorably to the endless English-language day-time dramas often referred to as "soap operas."

  • 10. VIRick  |  August 14, 2019 at 4:14 pm

    Zacatecas Congress Rejects Marriage Equality Bill

    Rechaza Legislatura Matrimonio Igualitario en Zacatecas

    El 14 de agosto 2019, con 13 votos en contra y 11 a favor, los legisladores de Zacatecas votaron en contra del dictamen del matrimonio igualitario, en una sesión de menos de dos horas. La LXIII Legislatura del Estado de Zacatecas votó en contra el dictamen para reformar el Código Familiar en materia de matrimonio igualitario, con 13 votos en contra, 11 votos a favor, dos abstenciones, y cuatro ausencias.

    La sesión inició a las 11:40 horas con la presencia de 26 de 30 diputados. En la discusión, donde todos los inscritos se pronunciaron a favor, la diputada de Morena, Mónica Borrego Estrada indicó que se trata de erradicar la discriminación por razones de preferencia sexual.

    El diputado de Morena, Héctor Adrián Menchaca Medrano, dijo que aún persisten en nuestra legislación preceptos discriminatorios, sobre todo en los preceptos para que hombres y mujeres puedan contraer matrimonio. El dictamen que se discute tiene como finalidad garantizar el derecho de las personas del mismo sexo de contraer matrimonio en igualdad de condiciones que las personas heterosexuales.

    El diputado de Morena, Jesús Padilla Estrada, indicó que su punto y su voto es por lo que mandata la Constitución General de la República, la del Estado y los tratados internacionales de los que México, como estado, es parte.

    El diputado José Juan Mendoza Maldonado, del PRD, dijo que la intolerancia es una de las gangrenas de la sociedad moderna, la intolerancia divide, confronta, desquicia, desnaturaliza a las sociedades actuales.

    El diputado Francisco Javier Calzada Vázquez, del PES, señaló que si no se incluye el cambio propuesto se estará en contra de la historia y de la justicia. El matrimonio religioso no es objeto de la misma iniciativa, sino que se trata del matrimonio civil. Dijo que los diputados juraron cumplir la Constitución y hacer cumplir las leyes que de ella emanen.

    La diputada Navidad de Jesús Rayas Ochoa, de Morena, dijo que se tiene la obligación de proteger y garantizar los derechos humanos. ''Las parejas homosexuales se encuentran en una situación equivalente a las parejas heterosexuales, por lo que es discriminatorio prohibir su acceso al matrimonio.''

    La diputada Gabriela Evangelina Pinedo Morales, del PT, dijo que hoy en Zacatecas se necesita, más que nunca, construir la paz que tanto se ha pedido, no caben los discursos de odio, prejuicios. Este es un tema de protección y garantía de derechos humanos, no es un tema de dogma, sino garantizar el Estado de Derecho para todas y todos los zacatecanos.

    La diputada Alma Gloria Dávila Luévano, de Morena, dijo que el amor debe prevalecer ante todo, que es el primer mandamiento de Dios, el amor y la justicia. El tema del matrimonio igualitario es un tema de justicia.

    La diputada Roxana del Refugio Muñoz González, de Morena, dijo que el Código Familiar estatal, con su redacción actual, prohíbe el matrimonio a las personas homosexuales, lo que resulta discriminatorio. No se trata de cuestión de fobias o ideologías, se debe trabajar en favor de los derechos humanos y la no discriminación de las personas.

    El diputado Omar Carrera Pérez, de Morena, señaló que en casi 30 países del mundo el matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo es legal, y es Europa en donde esta legislación es preponderante.
    https://www.elsoldezacatecas.com.mx/local/no-paso

  • 11. VIRick  |  August 14, 2019 at 4:58 pm

    In the above post, which is too extended to translate, 10 of the 11 Zacatecas deputies who voted in favor of the marriage equality bill expressed themselves positively during today's discussion of the bill prior to the vote, and are quoted as such in the above post. They were: 7 Morena, 1 PT, 1 PRD, and 1 PES. Since the 2 remaining Morena deputies both abstained, it would appear that the 11th favorable vote was also PRD. No one who eventually voted against the measure had a word to say during the discussion.

    We should have had 16 favorable votes, plus the 2 PRI deputies who voted favorably in committee, for a total of 18 in favor, as follows: 9 Morena, 2 PT, 3 PRD, 1 PES, 1 MC, and 2 PRI.

    The 13 negative votes, plus the 4 who were mysteriously absent today, or a total of 17, would be: 4 PAN, 6 PRI, 1 PES, 2 Verde, 2 Nueva Alianza,– and 2 more.

    We can account for 7 negative votes this way: From the committee vote, we know the second PES deputy and one Nueva Alianza deputy were both against. Raymundo Moreno further claims that the sole MC deputy remained unconvinced, while everyone knows all PAN deputies are knee-jerk negative.

    This leaves 6 PRI, 2 Verde, 1 PT, and 2 PRD unaccounted for, only one of whom, without expressing themselves during the discussion, voted in favor, very likely a PRD.

    Thus, my guess is that 4 PRI and 2 Verde deputies voted against (these 6, plus the 7 already cited above, for a total of 13), while 2 PRI (the 2 who voted in favor in committee), 1 PT, and 1 PRD were all mysteriously absent from today's session. Only 26 of the 30 deputies were present, and of that number only 24 voted, while 2 more (ostensibly Morena) were present, but abstained.

    So, ducking and dodging is a major issue, given the 2 abstentions (both Morena) and the 4 absences (2 PRI, 1 PT, and 1 PRD), all 6 of which should have been votes in our favor, just as happened in Sinaloa on the day they voted. Had those 6 been present and voting, we would have won, 17-13.

    Note: I see I have a few errors in my count when compared to Gonzalo (immediately below), but I will leave my analysis alone, as we both came to the same conclusion with regard to the "missing" and abstaining deputies, and the ducking and dodging involved.

  • 12. VIRick  |  August 14, 2019 at 6:48 pm

    Zacatecas: Marriage Equality Vote Break-Down (Second Analysis):

    Per Gonzalo Kinich‏:

    Así se votó matrimonio igualitario en Zacatecas:

    A favor: 7 diputados de Morena, 2 PRD, 1 PES, y 1 PT (11 en total).
    En contra: 4 PRI, 2 PAN, 2 Nueva Alianza, 2 Verde, 1 Morena, 1 PT, y 1 PES (13 en total).
    Abstenciones: 2 PRI.
    Faltistas: 1 Morena, 1 PRD, 1 MC, 1 PAN (4 en total).
    Al de Morena que votó contra y al que faltó se les expulsará.

    This is how marriage equality was voted upon in Zacatecas:

    In favor: 7 deputies from Morena, 2 PRD, 1 PES, and 1 PT (11 total).
    Against: 4 PRI, 2 PAN, 2 Nueva Alianza, 2 Verde, 1 Morena, 1 PT, and 1 PES (13 total).
    Abstentions: 2 PRI.
    Missing/absent: 1 Morena, 1 PRD, 1 MC, 1 PAN (4 total).
    The one from Morena who voted against and the one who was missing will be expelled. (And I assume PRD will also do the same to its deputy who went "missing" on the critical day of the vote. Plus PT, in coalition with Morena, and the party of "El Mijis," the driving force for marriage equality in San Luis Potosí, also needs to expel its deputy who voted against.)

    Had all Morena and PRD deputies been present and voting favorably, we would have won 14-12. Had the 2 PRI deputies who voted in favor in committee also voted in favor today, but who abstained instead, we would have won 16-12. And had the second PT deputy voted favorably, we would have won 17-11.

    Further note: On the night of the BCS marriage equality vote, I failed to quote Gonzalo because I simply could not believe that a PRD deputy would vote against. I was wrong. He was correct, a PRD deputy there did vote against. So, this time, I will not repeat the same error. Gonzalo says one Morena deputy voted against, while a second Morena deputy and a PRD deputy went "missing."

    Naomi Kim of Zacatecas has an even more precise vote count here, but one that matches fairly closely with Gonzalo, especially on that last critical point, namely: one Morena deputy voted against, while a second Morena deputy and a PRD deputy went "missing:"
    https://twitter.com/Naomi_2905/status/11617955278

  • 13. VIRick  |  August 14, 2019 at 8:03 pm

    Zacatecas: Omar Carrera Pérez, Morena Deputy, Is Pissed

    In Zacatecas, Omar Carrera was the final deputy to speak favorably for marriage equality before today's vote was taken. He is now talking about their filing an "Action of Unconstitutionality" before the Supreme Court, (that is, it will be filed by the 11 deputies who voted in favor, the CNDH, and a number of Zacatecas LGBT rights groups, including the one headed by Raymundo Moreno), and has made a video in which he explains further:
    https://twitter.com/ocarrera01

    He has also made a promise: They will vote again.

    Per Raymundo Moreno:

    El diputado de Morena, Armando Perales Gándara, votó en contra. Ese voto fue decisivo.
    https://twitter.com/RayMoreno1/status/11616990703

    The Morena deputy, Armando Perales Gándara, voted against. That vote was decisive.

    The other two critical votes, the two who went "missing," were: Felipe de Jesús Delgado (Morena), and Eduardo Rodríguez Ferrer (PRD).

    According to Gonzalo Kinich, Morena has already initiated proceedings to expel the former priista, Armando Perales Gándara, from the party for his negative vote against marriage equality.
    https://twitter.com/Kiwi_lloron

  • 14. VIRick  |  August 15, 2019 at 12:29 am

    There will be no vote in Edomex tomorrow. At the very last minute, they pushed the vote back to the September session.

    This change could well mean that the next marriage equality vote will occur in Sonora, also in September.

  • 15. VIRick  |  August 15, 2019 at 5:13 pm

    Coahuila: Five Years of Marriage Equality Spurs LGBTI Tourism

    Per "El Siglo de Torreón:"

    Coahuila: Cinco Años de los Matrimonios Igualitarios Detonan Turismo LGBTI

    En Coahuila, a cinco años de haberse aprobado el matrimonio igualitario, el organismo San Aelredo, resaltó que su aceptación ha servido de atracción turística de la comunidad LGTBI, esto al ser una de los estados preferidos para tramitarlo. Fue en el mes de septiembre del año 2014 que el Congreso de Coahuila aprobó la reforma al Código Civil del Estado para el matrimonio igualitario.

    Noé Ruiz, presidente de San Aelredo, informó que para la celebración del aniversario, se ha propuesto efectuar una boda comunitaria para 25 parejas de la población LGBTI en la ciudad de Saltillo.
    https://www.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/noticia/16080

    In Coahuila, five years after having approved marriage equality, the San Aelredo organization stressed that its acceptance has served as a tourist attraction to the LGTBI community, this being one of the preferred states in which to process it. It was in the month of September 2014 that the Coahuila Congress approved the reform to the State Civil Code to allow for equal marriage.

    Noé Ruiz, president of San Aelredo, stated that for the anniversary celebration, it has been proposed that they hold a communal wedding for 25 LGBTI couples in the city of Saltillo.

    Every time another jurisdiction rejects marriage equality, the assorted localities throughout Mexico that have capitalized upon same-sex marriage tourism, like Coahuila, vigorously re-assert their marriage equality advertising campaign: "Come to Coahuila, we will happily marry you here."

    We have to remember some peculiarities of Mexican law which allow them to be able to do so. First, technically speaking, marriage equality is legal nationwide throughout all of Mexico. Thus, as a result, every jurisdiction in Mexico must recognize each and every marriage duly performed in all the other jurisdictions, and must afford to them all the rights and benefits which accrue to said legally-valid marriages. Currently, the sole restriction still remaining in Mexico comes from the fact that marriages between same-sex couples can only be performed (without amparo) in 19 of Mexico's 32 jurisdictions. So, the last 13 jurisdictions still will not allow same-sex couples to be married within their states. However, those same 13 must recognize all marriages of same-sex couples performed in any of the other 19 jurisdictions.

    Coahuila was one of the first to change its State Civil Code to allow for same-sex couples to be able to marry there. And they continue to advertise and encourage any/all same-sex couples who wish to marry to come to Coahuila to do so. And here, as per this news article, just one day after the Zacatecas Congress refused to change their civil code to allow for same-sex marriages, Coahuila is reminding all and sundry that they can come to Coahuila and be married there, and that their marriage will be legally-valid back home, no matter which of the 13 recalcitrant states is called home.

    Of course, Coahuila is in competition with Quintana Roo, Morelos, Nayarit, CDMX, and various urban centers in Jalisco, like Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta, for the same-sex marriage tourism business. All continue to advertise attractive marriage/honeymoon packages for same-sex couples wishing to marry. Still, Coahuila was one of the first and wants to retain its status.

  • 16. Randolph_Finder  |  August 15, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    I'd simply say in the Telenovela vs. Soap Operas category is that Telenovelas are almost always designed to reach a conclusion and Soap Operas are intended to go forever…

  • 17. ianbirmingham  |  August 15, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    Stockholm Syndrome: Delusional Wacko Fringe Group Endorses Trump

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-met

  • 18. VIRick  |  August 15, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    Or, Alternatively, Via Amparo in the 13 Remaining Discriminatory States:

    Here is the reaction of Alex Orué, fighting for marriage equality in Yucatán, following its rejection in Zacatecas:

    Per Alex Orué:

    Va de nuevo: el matrimonio igualitario es legal en todo México. Solo que en algunos estados las parejas del mismo sexo nos tenemos que amparar para casarnos. Lo que buscamos es que deje de ser discriminatorio el proceso. Ganamos desde 2015 en la SCJN.
    https://twitter.com/Alex_Orue

    Here we go again: equal marriage is legal throughout Mexico. Only in some states do same-sex couples have to protect ourselves via amparo in order to marry. What we are looking for is that the process cease to be discriminatory. Since 2015, we won in the Supreme Court.

    The real discrimination occurs against those same-sex couples in the 13 affected states nearer to the bottom of the economic ladder who are unable to afford the extra legal expenses involved in obtaining an amparo. Or, in the case of the elderly same-sex couple from Tabasco, against those with mobility issues which impede their ability to navigate through swampy backwaters in order to reach the neighboring town, located just inside Chiapas, so they can be married there.

  • 19. VIRick  |  August 16, 2019 at 12:37 am

    Ian's inventive title to this post is supremely excellent. For those who have not taken the time to click on the link, it takes one to a foolishly delusional, pathetically myopic, and utterly wacko opinion piece ostensibly co-written by Robert Kabel, chairman of the Log Cabin Republicans, and Jill Homan, vice-chairwoman of the Log Cabin Republicans (complete with usual self-describing sexist, hierarchical position titles).

    One should also take a much closer look at Ian's cleverly appropriate avatar.

  • 20. scream4ever  |  August 16, 2019 at 5:32 am

    It sounds so familiar to the right to have an abortion in the US.

  • 21. VIRick  |  August 16, 2019 at 2:08 pm

    Zacatecas: Rejection of Marriage Equality Headed to Court

    A Juicio, Rechazo a Matrimonios Igualitarios en Zacatecas

    Voceros de diversos colectivos de la comunidad LBGTI en Zacatecas anunciaron que promoverán un juicio de inconstitucionalidad ante la Suprema Corte de Justicia de la Nación en contra de la votación en el congreso estatal, que echó abajo el dictamen para reformar el Código Familiar, lo que legalizaría en Zacateas los matrimonios entre personas del mismo sexo.

    Al respecto, las ex-diputadas y activistas locales María Elena Ortega y María Luisa Sosa, así como el abogado, Raymundo Moreno, señalaron en entrevistas por separado que reformar el Artículo 100 del Código Familiar del estado implicaba un acto de justicia y de apego a la ley. Los litigantes consideraron que la legislatura incurrió en un acto de inconstitucionalidad, discriminatorio, y que afecta los derechos humanos, al votar en contra de la reforma.
    http://jornadabc.mx/tijuana/16-08-2019/juicio-rec

    Spokespersons from various groups in the LBGTI community in Zacatecas announced that they will promote an action of unconstitutionality before the Supreme Court of Justice against the vote in the state congress, which rejected the draft bill to reform the Family Code to legalize same-sex marriages in Zacatecas.

    In this regard, the former deputies and local activists, María Elena Ortega and María Luisa Sosa, as well as the lawyer, Raymundo Moreno, said in separate interviews that reforming Article 100 of the State Family Code involved an act of justice and of adherence to the law. The litigants asserted that the legislature, by voting against the reform, engaged in an unconstitutional act which was discriminatory and which impacted upon human rights.

  • 22. VIRick  |  August 16, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    Sonora Congress: Its Party Affiliations and the Prospects for Marriage Equality

    Per the up-dated web-site of the 33-member Sonora Congress itself (which shows two changes not yet noted in Wikipedia), here is a break-down of how the deputies are likely to vote, based on their party affiliation. This will be a very tight vote. We can not afford any defections or "faltistas" (missing-in-action).

    These 17 deputies should be voting in favor:
    12 Morena, 4 PT, and 1 MC

    These 5 district deputies (4 on the US border) are a mystery:
    5 PES

    These 11 are likely or definitely voting against:
    3 PAN, 5 PRI, 1 Verde, and 2 Nueva Alianza
    http://www.congresoson.gob.mx/Legislatura/Diputad

    The congress is divided between 21 deputies representing districts, plus 12 more chosen by proportional representation. Four of the 5 PES deputies (who theoretically are in coalition with Morena/PT) represent districts along the US border (San Luis Río Colorado, Puerto Peñasco, Nogales Sur, Agua Prieta) while the 5th represents Etchojoa, way in the south. The 16 Morena/PT deputies represent most of the rest of the state (Nogales Norte, Caborca, all 6 from Hermosillo, Guaymas, Empalme, all 3 from Cajeme/Ciudad Obregón, Navojoa, and Huatabampo). However, we only gained 2 of the 12 proportional representatives. Instead, most of these latter are PRI/PAN, neither of which gained a single district seat.

    Note: One PES and one PT must have switched parties and joined Morena since the election because Wikipedia shows 10 Morena, 5 PT, and 6 PES deputies, whereas the Congress web-site shows 12 Morena, 4 PT, and 5 PES.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican_sta

  • 23. VIRick  |  August 16, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    Here is why I view the PES as a mystery, particularly since all PES deputies in Sonora represent specific districts, with these two right on the US border:

    Per Carlos Navarrete Aguirre (PES, Agua Prieta):

    Como diputado, es importante escuchar todas las voces. Por eso hoy, el 16 de agosto 2019, asistí a un foro organizado por diversas A.C. en el cual se pidió que la iniciativa que pretende legalizar el matrimonio igualitario en Sonora, sea puesto a consulta.
    https://twitter.com/CNavarrete_

    As a deputy, it is important to hear all voices. That is why today, 16 August 2019, I attended a forum organized by various A.C. in which it was requested that the initiative that seeks to legalize marriage equality in Sonora be put to a consultation (referendum).

    Per Alonso Montes Piña‏ (PES, San Luis Río Colorado):

    Somos firmes a los principios básicos de nuestro partido, pero estamos dispuestos a escuchar la opinión pública, por eso asistí a un foro el 16 de agosto 2019, junto al líder estatal del PES, M J Baldenebro, donde la iniciativa que propone matrimonio igualitario en Sonora se pide se ponga a consulta.
    https://twitter.com/montespina_

    We are firm to the basic principles of our party, but we are willing to listen to public opinion, so I attended a forum on 16 August 2019, together with the state leader of the PES, MJ Baldenebro, where the initiative that proposes marriage equality in Sonora is requested to be put to a consultation (referendum).

    A "consulta" or referendum on a human rights issue is considered by the Supreme Court to be "No va" or "No go." Still, PES is theoretically in coalition with Morena/PT. Yet, these two deputies attended this right-wing forum, one which is seeking to place this issue before a referendum (with the idea that the majority will reject it, even though referenda in Mexico hold no legal weight). Afterward, both then turned right around and posted their quoted comments on the "Matrimonio Igualitario" web-site. So, which way are they intending to vote?

  • 24. bayareajohn  |  August 16, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    A summary would be nice, since the story is locked behind a paywall.
    Thanks.

  • 25. Deeelaaach  |  August 17, 2019 at 9:01 am

    Apparently LCR endorsed Trump for 2020, citing his supposedly wonderful and positive record on LGBT rights. More about this can be found here: https://thinkprogress.org/pro-lgbtq-republican-gr

    and here: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457680-log-

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