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Hope everyone enjoys the holidays!

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  • 1. VIRick  |  December 23, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    Venezuela: Another Year Finishes, and Nothing Happened in LGBTQ Cases

    Per José Manuel Simons:

    Finaliza otro año judicial en Venezuela, y la Sala Constitucional del TSJ de Venezuela mantiene retardo procesal en casos sobre derechos LGBTIQ.
    https://twitter.com/JoseSimons/status/12092010797

    Another judicial year ends in Venezuela, and the Constitutional Chamber of the Supreme Court of Venezuela maintains its procedural delay on cases concerning LGBTIQ rights.

    It should be noted that José Manuel Simons, as a lawyer and LGBT activist, is the legal director of Venezuela Igualitaria, and as a migrant, is now currently resident in Santiago de Chile.

  • 2. VIRick  |  December 23, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    Argentina: 10th Anniversary of First Same-Sex Marriage

    Per Esteban Paulón:

    El viernes, el 27 de diciembre 2019, a las 18 hs., conmemoramos el 1er. matrimonio igualitario en Argentina (en Ushuaia, 28 diciembre 2009).
    https://twitter.com/epaulonlgbt

    On Friday, 27 December 2019, at 6:00 PM, we will commemorate the first equal marriage in Argentina (in Ushuaia, 28 December 2009).

    Note: The first number of same-sex marriages in Argentina occurred after the parties in question had obtained judicial amparos allowing them to do so, all prior to the actual law itself being changed. This marriage in Ushuaia was the very first in all of Latin America, and took place 3 months before marriage equality came into effect in CDMX and 6 months before the new law in Argentina took effect.

  • 3. allan120102  |  December 24, 2019 at 10:10 am

    Mexicali has finally surrender and is now allowing same sex couples to marry without Amparo. https://www.lavozdelafrontera.com.mx/local/luz-ve

  • 4. VIRick  |  December 24, 2019 at 12:34 pm

    Baja California: Mexicali Allowing Same-Sex Couples to Marry Without Amparo

    Per Rex Wockner and "La Voz de la Frontera," 24 December 2019:

    Desde hace una semana (desde el 17 de diciembre 2019), en el Registro Civil de Mexicali, las parejas conformadas por personas del mismo sexo ya no requieren presentar un amparo para agendar cita de matrimonio. En días recientes, al menos cinco parejas han logrado unirse legalmente sin necesidad de amparo.

    Vladimir Fernández, presidente del Comité Orgullo Mexicali, indicó que la autoridad municipal ha acatado las disposiciones que dicta la Suprema Corte de Justicia de la Nación (SCJN), así como las recomendaciones que ha hecho la Comisión Estatal de los Derechos Humanos (CEDH).

    El fin de semana reciente, la CEDH giró un exhorto a los alcaldes de Mexicali, Tecate, Playas de Rosarito, y Ensenada en busca de que faciliten la unión de parejas homosexuales como ya ocurre en Tijuana.

    En el último año, catorce parejas mexicalenses obtuvieron un amparo para contraer matrimonio legal, que suman 65 parejas casadas bajo amparo (en todo el estado).
    https://www.lavozdelafrontera.com.mx/local/luz-ve

    For the past week (since 17 December 2019), in the Civil Registry of Mexicali, same-sex couples no longer need to file for an amparo in order to schedule a marriage appointment. In recent days, at least five couples have gotten legally married without the need for an amparo.

    Vladimir Fernández, president of the Pride Mexicali Committee, said that the municipal authority has complied with the provisions dictated by the Supreme Court of Justice (SCJN), as well as with the recommendations that have been made by the State Commission for Human Rights (CEDH).

    On the recent weekend, the CEDH issued an appeal to the mayors of Mexicali, Tecate, Playas de Rosarito, and Ensenada in search of facilitating the union of gay couples, as is already occurring in Tijuana.

    In the last year, fourteen Mexicali same-sex couples obtained an amparo in order to contract legal marriage, totalling to 65 couples married under amparo (statewide).

    Note: I am perplexed as to why at least some of those 14 couples did not simply walk across the border and marry at the Mexican Consulate in Calexico, California, located only a few blocks away. Of course, I understand that some people do not have the proper documentation, nor the interest in obtaining it, the so-called "never-crossers" (la gente que nunca cruzar la frontera), allowing them temporary entry into the USA, while others may have obtained their amparo prior to the federal government's authorization allowing same-sex marriages to be performed at the consulates, and chose to utilize the amparo instead.

  • 5. VIRick  |  December 25, 2019 at 10:02 am

    Chile: TC Accepts Appeal from Lesbian Couple Requesting Recognition of their Marriage in Spain

    Chile: TC Admite Recurso de Pareja Lésbica que Pide se Reconozca Matrimonio en España

    “Esperamos que esta admisibilidad se traduzca en un voto futuro mayoritario, donde se reconozca que la negación del matrimonio igualitario es una vulneración a los derechos humanos más básicos, como es la igualdad ante la ley, consagrada en al Constitución. El TC ya ha debatido bastante sobre esto, y esperamos madurez ahora,” sostuvo el vocero del Movilh, Oscar Rementería

    El dirigente precisó que las mujeres, “una chilena y una española, y casadas el 24 de marzo del 2012 en el municipio de Navás, Provincia de Barcelona, presentaron en el Tribunal Constitucional (TC) el recurso por 'Inaplicabilidad de Inconstitucionalidad' del Acuerdo de Unión Civil (AUC) y de la Ley de Matrimonio.” Explicó que ello ocurrió “luego de que el 30 de octubre del 2019 la pareja presentara ante la Corte de Apelaciones de Santiago un recurso de protección contra el Registro Civil por negarles el reconocimiento del vínculo contraído en España.”

    Rementería explicó que “se impugna el Artículo 12 de la Ley 20.830 que crea el Acuerdo de Unión Civil.” Ahí, se establece que “los matrimonios celebrados en el extranjero por personas del mismo sexo serán reconocidos en Chile como Acuerdos de Unión Civil (AUC), si cumplen con las reglas establecidas en esta ley, y sus efectos serán los mismos del referido acuerdo.” Del mismo modo, la pareja considera inconstitucional al Artículo 80 de la Ley Nº 19.947 sobre matrimonio, el cual reconoce los vínculos contraídos en el extranjero “siempre que se trate de la unión entre un hombre y una mujer.”

    “En el recurso ingresado al TC al pasado 14 de noviembre, las mujeres alegan que se vulneran diversos derechos como pareja y como familia homoparental, en tanto esperan un hijo, tras someterse a un proceso de fertilización asistida en mayo del 2019,” sostuvo Rementería.
    https://thetimes.cl/contenido/5072/tc-admite-recu
    (to continue in English)

  • 6. VIRick  |  December 25, 2019 at 10:10 am

    (continued from above)
    “We hope that this admissibility is translated into a future majority vote, where it is recognized that the denial of marriage equality is a violation of the most basic human rights, such as equality before the law, as enshrined in the Constitution. The TC has already debated a lot about this, and we expect finalization now," said Movilh spokesman Oscar Rementería

    He pointed out that the women, “one Chilean and the other Spanish, and married on 24 March 2012 in the municipality of Navás, Province of Barcelona, ​​filed the appeal in the Constitutional Court (TC) for 'Inapplicability of Unconstitutionality' against the Civil Union Agreement (AUC) and the Law of Marriage." He explained that this happened "after 30 October 2019, when the couple presented to the Court of Appeals of Santiago an amparo appeal against the Civil Registry for denying them the recognition of their marriage contracted in Spain.”

    Rementería explained that “Article 12 of Law 20.830 that creates the Civil Union Agreement is contested.” It establishes that “marriages celebrated abroad by persons of the same sex will be recognized in Chile as Civil Union Agreements (AUC), if they comply with the rules established in this law, and their effects will be the same as those referred to in the agreement.” In the same way, the couple considers unconstitutional Article 80 of Law No. 19,947 concerning marriage, which recognizes the bonds contracted abroad “always as it pertains to the union between a man and a woman.”

    "In the appeal filed with the TC on 14 November, the women allege that various rights are violated both as a couple and as a homoparental family, while waiting for a child, after undergoing an assisted fertilization process in May 2019," stressed Rementería.

  • 7. ianbirmingham  |  December 25, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    Lesbian kiss in new Star Wars movie gets censored in Singapore

    Disney has cut a brief scene of two women kissing in the Singaporean version of its latest Star Wars film. The Rise of Skywalker features the first same-sex kiss in the franchise's history – described by reviewers as "a brief flash of two women kissing… among a crowd of characters".

    Singapore's media regulatory body told the BBC that Disney cut the scene so it didn't get a higher age rating. "The applicant has omitted a brief scene which under the film classification guidelines would require a higher rating," said a spokesperson from IMDA.

    It is not clear if Disney – the owners of Lucasfilm, the Star Wars production company – cut the scene in other countries. It was reportedly shown in China but not in the UAE.

    Same-sex marriages are not recognised in Singapore and gay sex is illegal – though the law is not enforced.

    There are gay bars and clubs in Singapore, as well as an annual pride rally.

    In 2018, a gay Singaporean man won a landmark case allowing him to adopt a child he fathered through a surrogate.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50899836

  • 8. ianbirmingham  |  December 25, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    State Department pulls US ambassador from Zambia after the president there objected to his harsh criticism of the government's record on corruption and gay rights

    Recalling an ambassador is rare, especially when an ambassador is arguing for American values abroad.

    US Ambassador Daniel Foote, in a scathing statement on December 2, slammed those in the conservative Christian country who compare homosexuality to bestiality and said he was shocked by the "venom and hate" he received for criticizing the sentencing of two men to 15 years in jail for being in a gay relationship. Same-sex activity is illegal in Zambia.

    The harsh tone of Foote's remarks was unusual for a public statement coming from a US diplomat. Foote further blasted Zambian government officials for "stealing millions of dollars in public funds," which the Zambian government has denied.

    "The current government of Zambia wants foreign diplomats to be compliant, with open pocketbooks and closed mouths," Foote wrote, noting that the US provides "$500 million in annual American, debt-free support to the Zambian people."

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/25/politics/daniel-fo

  • 9. ianbirmingham  |  December 25, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    Report Finds One-Third of Trump Appeals Court Judges Have History of Anti-LGBT Bias

    A new [Lambda Legal] report on President Trump’s judicial appointments finds that one-third of the judges Trump has appointed to the federal appeals court have a demonstrated history of anti-LGBT bias, showing once again the lasting influence the GOP stocking of the courts will have on the U.S. The report by LGBTQ civil rights group Lambda Legal also shows how distressingly effective the Trump administration and its GOP allies in the Senate have been in ramming through nominations to the circuit court with a whopping 50 judges confirmed to the appeals court so far. Of those 50 nominees, zero have been black, one is Latino, and nearly 80 percent have been men, the report found. These judges will have an extraordinary impact on the U.S. legal system because while the Supreme Court only hears roughly 100 cases in a year, the circuit court hears tens of thousands of appeals from lower courts.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/lambd

    https://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/p

  • 10. ianbirmingham  |  December 25, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    India’s first university for the transgender community is being built by the Akhil Bhartiya Kinnar Siksha Seva Trust (All-India transgender education service trust).

    The country’s first university for transgender community will be opened in Uttar Pradesh’s Kushinagar district to facilitate its members to study right from class one to PG and even do research and get a PhD degree.

    “It is the first of its kind in the country where members of the transgender community will be able to get education and the process has already been initiated. From January 15 next year, two children who are brought up by the community members will get admission and from February and March other classes will start,” president of the trust Dr Krishna Mohan Mishra said.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/countrys-

  • 11. ianbirmingham  |  December 26, 2019 at 3:09 am

    Ukrainian City Rivne Bans 'Deviant' LGBT Marches

    The local lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community had plans to hold an event on January 1 in the regional capital located 327 kilometers west of Kyiv.

    According to a city council decision issued on December 24, the legislation is intended "to prohibit the propaganda of various types of deviant sexual behavior in the city of Rivne, including in the form of so-called 'equality marches,' 'pride parades,' 'queer culture festivals,' and so forth, held in places of mass leisure for families with children."

    Thirty-six local deputies voted for the ban, two abstained, and no one voted against.

    In recent years, gay parades and other LGBT events have been held in Kyiv and several other Ukrainian cities, although a significant portion of society doesn’t approve of them.

    A poll conducted in Europe by Pew Research published in October found that 14 percent of Ukrainians believe that society should embrace homosexuality.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-city-rivne-bans

  • 12. bayareajohn  |  December 26, 2019 at 10:27 am

    If that was the wording of the poll, it's not surprising the result was low. "Society should embrace homosexuality" is a biasing phrase, implying a much higher engagement than "accept" or "tolerate" or even "permit". More like "Everybody needs to try it".

  • 13. ianbirmingham  |  December 26, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    The question was "whether homosexuality should or should not be accepted by society".

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/14/min

  • 14. bayareajohn  |  December 26, 2019 at 1:47 pm

    Thanks for that clarification.

  • 15. VIRick  |  December 26, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    Sinaloa Congress Will Not Appeal Court Order Requiring Marriage Equality

    Per LGBT Marriage News:

    La Mesa Directiva del Congreso del Estado acordó que la resolución que emitió el Juzgado Segundo de Distrito en Culiacán, sobre el tema de matrimonios igualitarios, será enviada a la Junta de Coordinación Política (Jucopo) para tome una determinación al respecto, expuso la presidenta Gloria Himelda Félix Niebla (PRI).

    "Ya la Junta de Coordinación Política (Jucopo) establecerá la ruta a seguir. Nosotros como mesa directiva, ya sesionamos y la mayoría de los votos estableció no ir a la revisión del amparo, y hay que estar al pendiente en enero de la determinación que tome la junta," citó.
    https://lineadirectaportal.com/sinaloa/tema-de-ma

    The Board of Directors of the State Congress agreed that the resolution issued by the Second District Court in Culiacán, on the issue of marriage equality, will be sent to the Political Coordination Board (Jucopo) to make a determination in this regard, said its President Gloria Himelda Félix Niebla (PRI).

    "The Political Coordination Board (Jucopo) will establish the route to follow. As a board of directors, we already met and the majority voted not to go for a review of the amparo. In January, we must be on the lookout for the determination taken by the board," she cited.

    So, they are not appealing the court order. But she is pushing it off onto Jucopo as to what the congress does next. At least that is the impression given by the amount of excess double-talk (which was difficult to translate) expounded in this report. For example:

    "y hay que estar al pendiente" (literally, "and there is that being pending"). What is that supposed to mean in either language?

  • 16. ianbirmingham  |  December 26, 2019 at 4:32 pm

    A White House official took a free trip to an anti-LGBTQ “hate summit”

    An organization designated an anti-LGBTQ hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center paid for a Trump administration official to attend its annual legal convention last summer, according to a recently released White House Office travel report. The arrangement was discovered by researcher Meredith Lerner of nonprofit government watchdog Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

    The report reveals that the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) picked up $2,123 in hotel costs, transportation, and meals for Jennifer Lichter, who is the deputy assistant to the president for domestic policy. The expenses were associated with the group’s Summit on Religious Liberty in Dana Point, California, last July. CREW says Lichter’s attendance “suggests the group’s influence is expanding within the Trump administration.”

    The ADF was founded in 1994 by right-wing Christian activists with an aim to “defend religious freedom before it [is] too late.” Its president is Alan Sears, a former federal prosecutor, who has warned that the “homosexual agenda” is “a form of totalitarianism” that will destroy society.

    Over the past 25 years, the ADF says, the group has “played various roles in 52 victories at the US Supreme Court and hundreds more in the lower courts,” winning nearly 80% of its cases. The group was behind the spread of so-called bathroom bills in 2017, crafting model legislation that sought to restrict public restroom access [by] transgender Americans.

    https://qz.com/1775734/a-white-house-official-too

  • 17. allan120102  |  December 26, 2019 at 6:22 pm

    I need to remind that the judge can force them to retake and try to approve ssm on the state but it does not force the deputies to vote in favor, and base on the comments of this deputy who is against, a majority will still vote against ssm if/when the new vote is held. http://www.noticieroaltavoz.com/congreso-del-esta

  • 18. VIRick  |  December 26, 2019 at 10:40 pm

    Allan, that Sinaloa deputy, Elva Margarita Inzunza Valenzuela (PRI), is obviously against marriage equality, while at the same time, her ignorance is manifest:

    Indicó que aprobaría su unión, siempre y cuando se utilizara otro término en vez de matrimonio, tal como ha sucedido en otros estados del país.
    http://www.noticieroaltavoz.com/congreso-del-esta

    She indicated that she would approve such union, as long as another term is to be utilized instead of marriage, as has happened in other states of the country.

    Sorry lady, but no state in Mexico, to date, has approved of marriage equality by calling it by some other name. If asked, I wonder which states she would claim did this. Besides, if she were so keen about this foolish idea of hers, then she should propose it, rather than use it as a lame excuse for voting against the judge's orders. However, she is just another priista talking out of both sides of her mouth so rapidly that nothing she says makes any sense.

  • 19. VIRick  |  December 27, 2019 at 9:28 am

    Needless to say, I am disgusted with the endless procrastination and obfuscation displayed in Sinaloa (and several other states with similar characteristics). According to its own demographic analysis, Sinaloa has the highest proportion of Euro-descended population of any state in Mexico, while at the same time, has the absolute lowest proportion of Indigenous-speakers of any state. At one time, several generations ago, Sinaloa was a progressive, economic dynamo, a reputation which has slowly faded away with time.

    Directly adjacent to Sinaloa, we have Nayarit, a state with very contrasting demographics, that is, with one of the lowest proportions of Euro-descended populations, and one of the highest proportions of Indigenous-speakers. In 2015, the Nayarit Congress, by legislative statute, was state #2 (behind Coahuila) to approve marriage equality (and jurisdiction #5 to obtain marriage equality by any means), and was also state #2 (behind Michoacán) to approve legislation allowing self-declared gender identity (jurisdiction #3).

    More recently, we then have Oaxaca, the poorest state in Mexico on a per capita basis, and one in which over 2/3rds of its municipalities are Indigenous ejidos, as well as being the home to the Zapoteca Muxe. Its state congress, by legislative statute, has also approved both marriage equality and self-declared gender identity.

    So, while Sinaloa clings to its out-dated, provincial, pseudo-superior Euro-ness and fading economy, other states with a very different history and reputation, one considered in many circles to be "backward," have completely out-paced Sinaloa on these several matters, matters, too, if one were actually keeping abreast, that have already been favorably resolved in almost all of Western Europe.

  • 20. allan120102  |  December 27, 2019 at 11:01 am

    Sinaloa should had legalize ssm as the people choose a majority of Morena for congress who are supposed to be a liberal party . the problem was the some of them vote against the law. I have seen the richest states in Mexico like Nuevo Leon and Sinaloa fight more against ssm than the poorest states like Oaxaca and chiapas which are the poorest states in the union and are supposed to be extremely conservative and instead Oaxaca has ssm and one of only two jurisdictions in Mexico to have abortion.

    If we compare Chiapas and Nuevo Leon attitude when the supreme court struck both of there bans there is a stark contrast. While Nuevo Leon keeps fighting as the pes deputy carlos leal is still trying to re ban ssm and trying to convince more deputies to do what Puebla did, Chiapas instead accept the ruling and even pass a law abiding the supreme court decision, which was really surprising as Chiapas is by some the most conservative state in the union because of the closeness to central america which has a social conservative attitude, more surprising that this happen even before the 2018 elections when Morena won big in the state and the federal level.

  • 21. VIRick  |  December 27, 2019 at 11:33 am

    Chile: The Gender Identity Law Is Now in Effect and Functioning

    Per Movilh Chile and Noticias LGBT‏:

    Ahora, el 27 de diciembre 2019, Paula es la primera mujer trans que entra a audiencia para el cambio de su nombre y sexo legal. Somos sus testigos. La ley de identidad de género ya está funcionando.
    https://twitter.com/Movilh/status/121053040372087

    On 27 December 2019, Paula became the first trans woman to have a hearing in order to change her name and legal sex. We are her witnesses. The gender identity law is now functioning.

  • 22. VIRick  |  December 27, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    Yes, that is another excellent comparison, economically progressive Nuevo León and the truly nasty public display of hyper-homophobia by some of its elected officials, before, during, and after the "Action of Unconstitutionality" by which the Supreme Court overturned their bigoted law, v. Chiapas, another less-than-rich state which was once part of Central America, but which has quietly and calmly agreed to peacefully abide by the Supreme Court's decision.

    I have always been impressed with the generosity exhibited by the people of Chiapas, who, as the closest state to Guatemala, have borne the brunt of the Central American migrant movement. They do not have much, but entire towns will turn out to provide whatever they can, with the attitude, "Next time, it could be us needing assistance." That would never happen in Nuevo León.

  • 23. VIRick  |  December 27, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    Manizales, Colombia: Trans Woman Appointed Secretary of Women, Equity, and Gender

    Per Mauricio Albarracín:

    Felicitaciones a Matilda González Gil quien será la Secretaria de la Mujer, Equidad, y Género de Manizales. Es la primera vez que una mujer trans ocupa este cargo en una ciudad de Colombia. Es un orgullo para el activismo trans y para la lucha por los derechos como Manizales hace historia.
    https://twitter.com/malbarracin

    Congratulations to Matilda González Gil who will be the Secretary of Women, Equity, and Gender in Manizales. This is the first time that a trans woman will occupy this position in any city in Colombia. It is with pride for trans activism and for the struggle for rights as Manizales makes history.

  • 24. VIRick  |  December 27, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    This comment has been deleted by the administrator.

    Suddenly, every time I attempt to make a new post, I receive this message.

  • 25. bayareajohn  |  December 27, 2019 at 9:30 pm

    Then how did you post that message? Or is it that the message posts, but you get a false "deleted" message?

  • 26. VIRick  |  December 28, 2019 at 8:55 am

    Gibraltar: Marriage Act Officially Amended; Deputy Registrars No Longer Able to Opt Out

    Per LGBT Marriage News:

    As of 27 December 2019, the Marriage Act has now officially been amended so that Deputy Registrars will no longer be able to opt out of performing marriages for same-sex couples. Parliament voted in favor of the move last week after Equality Minister, Samantha Sacramento, presented a bill to remove the controversial Section 6B.

    The Governor has assented to the change of law which has now been gazetted.
    https://www.gbc.gi/news/marriage-act-officially-a

  • 27. VIRick  |  December 28, 2019 at 9:21 am

    John, the problem seems to be something specific about that particular post, copied from a local news source in Ecuador, and relative to the first same-sex marriage to occur in Cuenca, Ecuador, on 27 December 2019.

    As you can see, I can discuss what happened as much as I would like, but am simply being rejected by the Intense Debate system from posting that specific news item. I had no difficulty posting the exact same news article to my archives, which can be found here:
    https://www.measurection.com/forum/index.php?/top

    I can not imagine what offensive word or phrase that news article contains which would have caused the system to reject it. Could it be a problem with the url?

  • 28. bayareajohn  |  December 28, 2019 at 10:51 am

    If curious, you could cut the article into smaller pieces and see which one get rejected until you can narrow it down… deleting the test posts that succeed to leave no junk. But not a lot of point, it's pretty clearly a filter action.

  • 29. ianbirmingham  |  December 28, 2019 at 11:38 am

    The problem is the last name of the spouse whose first name is Carlos. I was able to bypass the filter by putting a period inside that person's last name:

    Cuenca, Ecuador: At Last, First Same-Sex Marriage Occurs

    Per "El Tiempo," Diario de Cuenca:

    En Cuenca se Dio Primer Matrimonio Igualitario

    El viernes, 27 de diciembre de 2019, fue un día especial para la en comunidad LGBTI en Cuenca, ya que en las oficinas del Registro Civil del Azuay se celebró el primer matrimonio igualitario, lo que para Abraham Barbecho y Carlos Tene.maza, quienes formalizaron su unión, constituye un hecho referente en la búsqueda de igualdad y respeto de derechos de su comunidad.

    https://www.eltiempo.com.ec/noticias/cuenca/2/en-

    On Friday, 27 December 2019, it was a special day for the LGBTI community in Cuenca, since the first equal marriage was celebrated in the offices of the Civil Registry of Azuay, which for Abraham Barbecho and Carlos Tene.maza, who formalized their union, it constituted a singular, landmark fact in the search for equality and respect for the rights of their community.

    For Ecuador, in terms of marriage equality, Cuenca is where it all began, when a local court ruled in favor of the recognition of the unions of two other same-sex couples. I do not know what has become of those other two couples, nor why is has taken over 5 months for a third couple to hold a public marriage ceremony in the Civil Registry of Cuenca, Azuay.

  • 30. VIRick  |  December 28, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    Thank you, Ian, for overcoming the problem.

    Google Translate suggested that the "offending" word might be Maori or Hungarian.

    In Maori, the first 6 letters of it means "really." And that, I was able to post.

    But in Hungarian, the first 5 letters of it means "You do not." And that information got me zapped when I attempted to post it. If the entire word is split into two parts as 5 letters and 3 letters, it means "I do not." Also, if the entire word is split into three parts, 2 letters, 3 letters, 3 letters, it means "You are not that."

    So, beware of Hungarian and its negative expressions.

  • 31. ianbirmingham  |  December 28, 2019 at 6:25 pm

    I completely fail to understand why this site would specifically target any posts containing the Hungarian word meaning "You do not" for automatic deletion…

  • 32. ianbirmingham  |  December 28, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    I suggest contacting the admins:
    http://www.equalityontrial.com/about/email-subscr

    Update: Well, the joke's on us, their link (provided by "Got suggestions? Questions? Notice bugs? Email us here." in the upper right sidebar) leads to a non-existent contact form!

    Next option: Try emailing to: equalityontrial [at] couragecampaign [dot] org.

  • 33. Fortguy  |  December 28, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    Rick:

    Why is Intense Debate even concerned about Hungarian? I have no knowledge of that language whatsoever,…

    Hungarian is an exceedingly difficult language to learn. Since you didn't study it at a young age when language neurons are more malleable, your time would probably be better spent learning five other easier languages instead.

    It belongs to the Uralic language family, like Finnish and Estonian, with a common characteristic among most languages in that family being an ungodly number of noun cases made worse in that nouns fall into distinct declensions that inflect differently. It's like German or Latin on steroids.

    While many Indo-European languages, but not contemporary standard English, have familiar and formal forms for addressing people in the second person, Hungarian has an unwieldy four-tier hierarchy of politeness. About the only redeeming feature of Hungarian for a student would be that adjectives don't have gender even when describing people.

  • 34. Randolph_Finder  |  December 29, 2019 at 6:18 am

    *wierd* (the period needed).

  • 35. VIRick  |  December 29, 2019 at 8:57 am

    More weirdness continues to occur, as multiple posts have now been deleted, one being my original reply, right here, to Ian, which began, "I am as baffled as you are," but which contained the "problem" word spelled out, but with periods between each letter.

    The next two posts have also been deleted, but are still showing in the "Recent Comments" sidebar. The first, by Fortguy, begins by quoting from another of my deleted posts:
    Fortguy 86p

    Rick:

    "Why is Intense Debate even concerned about Hungarian? I have no knowledge of that…"
    » 9 hours ago

    And at some point, in another deleted post, Ian Birmingham suggested:
    ianbirmingham 92p

    "I suggest contacting the admins:"

    So, if we have accidentally stumbled upon some peculiar glitch in the system, let us know, so the mystery can be solved and laid to rest,– and in the meantime, no more posts need to be deleted while we are trying to understand what in the world actually happened.

    Imagine: A surname from Ecuador, by happenstance, matches with some phrase in Hungarian that automatically causes our posts to be deleted.

  • 36. VIRick  |  December 29, 2019 at 9:41 am

    Fortguy's treatise on the Hungarian language, which is certainly a worthwhile contribution that did not need to be deleted, can still be found here:
    https://www.intensedebate.com/people/Fortguy

  • 37. ianbirmingham  |  December 29, 2019 at 11:57 pm

    I've just created the "EqualityNews" community as a weirdness-free alternative:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/EqualityNews/new/

    Users are advised to uncheck "Use new Reddit as my default experience" on their preferences page.

  • 38. VIRick  |  December 30, 2019 at 11:32 am

    Thank you, Ian, for creating "EqualityNews," as a weirdness-free alternative.

    As one can see, at the moment, I am unable to reply to you directly, as any number of my "Reply" buttons have gone mute, and the "Post a New Comment" box at the bottom of this thread has disappeared.

    Of course, one can also always post new comments/news in my own on-going effort called "Sex and the Law." First begun in early 2013, the major difference there is that the material is arranged chronologically by date, in an archival format, filed separately for each state/nation for which there is some matter of importance that has occurred pertinent to the topics of sex and the law. As its heading states: "For discussion of legal issues related to sex, gender, and sexual orientation. This includes legislative and judicial actions affecting the expression of these categories." One can find it here:
    https://www.measurection.com/forum/index.php?/for

    Almost everything I have ever posted here is also posted there. But there, it is arranged by individual state/nation. The nations of Latin America are bi-lingual, as are certain other portions where Portuguese, French, or Italian were originally utilized.

  • 39. bayareajohn  |  December 30, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    A change of venue for discussion is a costly solution to a purely technical problem. There are more than just we few active posters who rely on this site as a long-term bastion of information. Those readers will not easily flip to new sites, new logins, lost history, etc.

    My guess is that your testing of the filter bug triggered limitations on your posting as it's not affecting others. This needs to be brought to the attention of INTENSE DEBATE (the infrastructure) and this site administration. I believe you have that capacity. If you are short of good contacts, I may have some that will help.

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