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Bigotry: Bringing Foreign Leaders Together Against the Other


by Brian Leubitz

Zimbabwe has big problems. Really big problems.  What was once the breadbasket of Africa is now struggling to feed itself.  Inflation has resulted in wheelbarrows full of cash being exchanged for a loaf of bread. And a political crisis between the longtime dictator, Robert Mugabe, and the opposition leader who actually won the election, Morgan Tsvangirai, nearly led to a civil war.

Yet when all seems hopeless for the common man, there’s always the scape goat.  And guess what? Like much of Africa, the scapegoats are our brothers and sisters.

Zimbabwe’s president, Robert Mugabe, said Thursday that any thought of putting gay rights in the nation’s new constitution was “madness,” and Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, who often disputes almost everything Mr. Mugabe says, this time seemed to agree.Both men were appearing at a belated celebration of International Women’s Day in a suburb of Harare, Zimbabwe’s capital. The pro-Mugabe state-run news media in Zimbabwe reported Friday that the president was scornful of the very idea of gay rights, which the 86-year-old president said would make the nation’s ancestors “turn in their graves.”

Mr. Tsvangirai’s response, according to the news media, was, “Why should a man seek to have a relationship with another man when women make up 52 percent of the population?” (New York Times)

From Mugabe, this is really nothing new. The man has absolutely no respect for the lives of his fellow human beings, why would he care about the rights of gays and lesbians? You kind of have to be willing to stop killing your political opponents before the topic of gay rights really becomes much of an issue. And while Mugabe has toned it down over the last few months, he has pretty much done whatever it takes to hold on to power over the last few years. Including murder.  So, why not throw in a little bigotry?

But from Tsvangirai? It is more disheartening.  He had been, and in many respects still is, the hope for a rebirth of Zimbabwe as a democratic nation that respects all human rights.  In fact, he was rumored to be one of the final nominees to be considered for the Nobel Peace Prize that ultimately went to President Obama.

And the Times puts it mildly.  These two leaders simply never agree. Mugabe abducts Tsvangirai’s vice minister candidate. Recriminations follow, and tensions are always at a constant simmer.  Neither wants the other there, and they are both constantly undermining each other.

Yet in the quest for bigotry, well that can bring even hated leaders together. History tells cautionary tales, of course. These tactics have produced such dramatic results in the past. One struggling artist was able to unite the fractured nation of Germany into a major power by blaming everything on the Jews. Heck, Hitler was really the master of this. He blamed everybody, and was able to conquer most of Europe.  Of course it is never sustainable. Eventually all the anger and the suscpicion turns inward, and destroys the society. A society simply can’t live with itself in a constant state of anger, fear, and recrimination. Something is bound to break.

That being said, it is a positive note that Tsvangirai’s staff felt the need to walk the statement back. His staff has since sent out several statements to the media putting big asterisks on the statement, but it is clear that even these human rights leaders don’t plan on being true leaders for all.

He added, “We believe people should have the latitude to decide whatever is best for them. But — and I underline the word ‘but’ — the position of people in this country is that the word ‘gay’ should not appear in the constitution.”

It is somewhat of a step forward from the absolute tyranny of Mugabe’s dictatorship, but far from a pleasant state of affairs.  While the situation for gays and lesbians in Zimbabwe is far better than those of neighboring Malawi or Uganda, where the government is consider capital punishment for homosexuality, there is still much work to be done. While our fight for marriage rights is extremely important, we must not forget our brothers and sisters who are in a worse situation.


  • 1. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 12:31 am

    "Mr. Tsvangirai’s response, according to the news media, was, “Why should a man seek to have a relationship with another man when women make up 52 percent of the population?” (New York Times)"

    A good argument for Lesbians yeah?…..Why do the Hateros continue to leave out Lesbians in the majority of their anti-gay arguments….Like I said I am honored that we(Gay men) rank highest on their chart…..but we are an all inclusive community so at least start to act like we are….if you are going to make an argument against one make it against all….because guess what….. we are all coming after Equality….LGBTQQI and A…..not just one part of the community but all……

    I am seriously ashamed to note that I have African blood coursing through my veins…..<3….Ronnie

  • 2. Bill  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:11 am

    They leave out lesbians because it would be hypocritical of them to condemn that which gets their rocks off.

    Kind of hard to condemn what you think about while choking your chicken, right?

    On a serious note, and as someone who has traveled extensively in Africa, life is very cheap there. Meaning that the people of Africa often have no respect for human life of ANY persuasion, sexual orientation aside.

    That is what make it so PERFECT for the American evangelicals. Africans are a blank slate for them to write on. With a homophobia colored crayon. Jesus, how hard is it to get someone to convert to your religion when you are holding the only sandwich in a 500 mile radius? Seriously. This is WHY the American evangelicals GO to Africa. They KNOW they have these blank canvases just waiting for them. These people have ZERO hope in their lives. 80% of them have HIV/AIDS. American evangelicals swoop in and save the day with their loaves of bread and fishes and their stories of Jesus. And, of course, their hatred of us.

    It is amazing that people buy into this crap.

    But hey, ya gotta eat, right?

    And the gay-hating Jesus folks have sandwiches AND kool-aid!

    Make me sick.

  • 3. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:18 am

    You make a fair point. I think the best way to combat this is to increase the presence of atheist (or at least not explicitly religious) charities. For example, the Foundation Beyond Belief.

  • 4. Waxr  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:20 am

    "Why do the Hateros continue to leave out Lesbians in the majority of their anti-gay arguments."

    That's because most straight men like the idea of watching two lesbians making love. They fantasize about making it a ménage à trois.

  • 5. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:21 am

    I imagine a statistical analysis of the porn content of the Internet would agree with you.

  • 6. Misken  |  March 29, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Hey, don't go hating on heterosexuals now. A cycle of hate can continue on indefinitely – but it can be broken by one side or the other. You can take the initiative!

    And don't go hating on your African blood either. Two men don't represent the entire race.

  • 7. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Well since it is my blood I will be ashamed of whatever I want to be ashamed of …but I can see (NOT) where somebody would pick up the word hate….you know… since we mentioned the Hateros…not heteros….there's a difference…….

    and another thing when the HATEROS stop forcing the entire LGBTQQIA community (A being straight allies) to live the way they want us too based on their judgment of a few LGBTQQIA people then maybe somebody can talk about "two men do not represent" blah blah….

    again ashamed is NOT the same as hate (two very diff words) If I meant hate… you can tell from my past postings that I don't hold back my words and I don't sugar coat anything….I would have said hate….so again I say…..

    I am seriously ashamed to note that I have African blood coursing through my veins…..Take it or leave it…..IDC… hate just ashamed…..<3….Ronnie

  • 8. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 12:53 am

    “Why should a man seek to have a relationship with another man when women make up 52 percent of the population?” Er, maybe because they don't want a relationship with a woman? I mean, they only have to overcome that barrier of having no physical attraction to them at all…

  • 9. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Lovely, it's the "gay people can get married, just to those of the opposite sex" argument we hear in the U.S.

  • 10. Bill  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:16 am

    For me, it is because I prefer a rock hard penis over a vagina.

    For a lesbian, I would guess the opposite would be true.

    Is that bad? ; )

  • 11. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:19 am

    Amen to that….no offense ladies…..<3…Ronnie

  • 12. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:19 am

    To each his own. Too bad the fundies don't understand that concept.

  • 13. Straight Ally #3008  |  March 29, 2010 at 8:36 am

    There, see, homosexuality is a choice!

    /parody mode off…oh wait, just a little more…

    "Homosexuality is a choice! That is choice people make, to…engage…in this deliciously decadent lifestyle!" -David Cross


  • 14. Jhonny  |  March 29, 2010 at 1:18 am

    I am thinking of moving to CANADA if something dosent give soon here in the STATES. Frankly I am embarassed to live in a Country that claims to have the pursuit of happiness and my happiness is always outvoted at the ballot box by the majority. Obama needs to end DADT like NOW and quit his foot dragging. I feel lucky to have that option those in Africa probably dont I do actually feel sympathy for them

  • 15. G Rod  |  March 29, 2010 at 8:53 am

    It might seem that life on the northern side of our border is significantly better. As this recent newspaper article shows, they too have their own troubles.

  • 16. Marlene Bomer  |  March 30, 2010 at 6:48 am

    Nice — Commenting has been closed down for the story. Guess there were too many comments condemning the verdict…

  • 17. Jo Jo  |  March 29, 2010 at 1:20 am

    The last thing Africans need to do is keep populating can they even feed the ones they have now?

  • 18. fiona64  |  March 29, 2010 at 1:35 am

    Obvious troll is obvious.


  • 19. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 1:44 am

    That comment made some sense to me. The "marriage is for procreation" argument holds even less water (if it can get less than zero, I suppose) in an area that's already having problems with famine.

  • 20. fiona64  |  March 29, 2010 at 1:51 am

    By the same token, it fails to take into account certain things such as cultural mores (in some tribes, it is considered proof of one's manhood to have many children) and the global gag order (yet to be lifted) which caused many NGOs to be unable to discuss contraception.

    I will take off my anthropology hat now.


  • 21. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Of course it's not a perfect point, but I don't think it's necessarily trolling. I suppose it could be, but my troll sense isn't tingling. Or maybe it's just because I'm running on two hours of sleep. Who knows?

  • 22. Bill  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:46 am

    I think Jo Jo's statement applies to HUMANKIND, and not Africans in particular.

    For if Jo Jo was just singling out Africans for not being able to afford to feed all of their children, Jo Jo would be an ugly racist.

    If, however, Jo Jo was referring to heterosexuals in general, then Jo Jo would be correct.

    It seems many heterosexuals bring human lives into this world without any thought as to how they will feed or provide for them. Isn't that why all of our world's natural resources are in danger of being wiped out, and in turn, human kind??

    I hope Jo Jo was advocating responsible breeding for ALL heterosexuals. Not just the ones with a skin tone Jo Jo may not like as much as Jo Jo's own…

    Just sayin.'

  • 23. fiona64  |  March 29, 2010 at 4:40 am

    As something of a Malthusian at heart, I agree with Bill's statement.

    However, JoJo did pretty much specify Africans in his post … which is why I said what I did about trolling.


  • 24. Doug E  |  March 29, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    but he did say Africans, which implies someone who lives in or is a citizen of Africa not skin tone. So his comment isn't racist as you suggest it could be, well atleast to me anyways

  • 25. fiona64  |  March 30, 2010 at 1:48 am

    Well, Doug, I understand the point you are making … but I have yet to see any news stories about white Africans having problems feeding themselves or obtaining food — which was the whole "stop breeding what you can't feed" argument that JoJo presented.

    I also note that JoJo has not returned to explain him/herself, which just increases the troll factor for me. Drive-by posting, ya know?


  • 26. Doug E  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:50 am

    While I do agree with what you are saying Fiona, the fact that he hasn't come back to post does make it seem like he was trolling, but I don't post here very often either and that is usually because what I would say has already been said by the time I have read the posts and comments. However you point is valid that the news stories usually never depict caucasian Africans (is that right?) not being able to support themselves/family although that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't happen it could be biased… but since I haven't been to Africa I can only speculate and usually it's pointless to do that. I was just making the point that since he said Africans it wasn't necessarily a racist comment.

  • 27. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:03 am

    Posted on March 29, 2010
    Georgia Teen Talks About Prom Fight
    By Julie Bolcer

    Q: Have you been threatened since your story broke?
    A: I’ve actually been threatened to be shot at. Someone told me I should watch where I’m going when I ride around town, because they would be riding around with a gun. I’m looking into private security between now and prom, and I have an off-duty deputy that said he would go to prom with me. For now, in terms of security, I do things like drive home a different way every day.

    (me) I mean seriously…really?….Really?!…..I'm Happy he is smart to hire security….but I swear if anything happens to him or his boyfriend…..I will be one of the first people down there to completely turn that town upside down….those Hateros don't know what they are getting themselves into…..i'm just saying… FU<K with one of us YOU FU<K WITH US ALL!!!!!…..

    Q: Are religious beliefs the reason behind your parents' opposition to your prom fight?
    A: Yeah, that’s it.

    (me) enough said…

    Q: Where you out to your family before this happened?
    A: Yes, since late sophomore year. I’m an only child. They kicked me out because of all the attention.

    (me) Nice way to treat your only child…..I said it before not knowing if they had other children….but now I am sure that I hope they are not blessed with another child….they don't deserve him/her….JMGO…

    Q: What are your future plans?
    A: I’ll be going in the fall to Georgia Southern University to begin pre-law studies and after that hopefully go to Harvard or Yale for law school. Then I want to go to Atlanta or New York and eventually start my own law firm.

    (me) He has his life set…..granted nothing is ever written in stone but he clearly has his eyes set on the future….I tip my fedora to him……

    Q: Was there any role model or event in the world at large that drove your fight this season?
    A: Nothing really drove it. I just wanted to go to prom.

    (me) Has big aspirations but so humble….I love it…..I love Hype……check out the rest of the interview…..<3….Ronnie

  • 28. Bill  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:18 am

    Perhaps one day this boy's parents will live to deserve him.

  • 29. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Posted on March 29, 2010
    Half of Americans Would Support Gay President
    By Michelle Garcia

    Like I said I don't put much faith in polls…..but lets see the Hateros twist this one…….

    "Fifty percent of respondents said they would support an openly gay president, while 44% said they would oppose, according to the 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll."

    there's more about sports positions and other government titles…..<3…Ronnie

  • 30. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 3:32 am

    Unfortunately, that probabaly means that they would support a gay candidate, assuming they agreed with the candidate otherwise. If half the people agree with his (or her, though I imagine that number would be lower had the survey accounted for it) politics, that brings the number down to 25% for any given candidate. We still have a long way to go. Also, those polls are never very accurate anyway.

  • 31. Lori  |  March 29, 2010 at 4:15 am

    Depends on the political split of those who say support vs. don't support and the party affiliation/political views of the candidate themselves.

    I'd guess that the number saying they would support is higher among liberal/Democratic groups than conservative/Republican groups. So a gay liberal/Democratic candidate would probably have higher support than a gay conservative/Republican one.
    No offense meant to any conservative LGBTs or allies on here.

  • 32. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 4:17 am

    True, I was simplifying because it was easier and I'm tired, but the point remains that some of those numbers are lower in real terms.

  • 33. Kathleen  |  March 29, 2010 at 4:16 am

    I think this represents a real shift. I seem to recall an earlier poll with much less supportive results. Anyone know where that is?

  • 34. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 4:12 am


    The results may surprise you:

  • 35. Kathleen  |  March 29, 2010 at 4:55 am

    OT, the news that Chaz Bono is going to court to legally change his name and his gender on his birth certificate:
    is bringing out the most ignorant people making some really ugly comments.

  • 36. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:01 am


    That one basically sums it up. Those people have put no intelligent thought into their position.

  • 37. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:16 am

    I like the idiot that says "you must make your father and mother proud"…….idiot……do some research Cher is very proud of her son……Sonny….well he got hit by tree….RIP…..and you're right Monty…they have not posted anything that is higher then the level of a kindergarten student…..these FOOLS are a waste of air….sucking up all the Earths oxygen with their babyish Hate…sooooo I will post something that is at their reading level……

    "circle….circle….dot….dot….now I got my hatero shot"…..bwaaaaa……It protects you from Hateros and Hatero speech you know?…..yeah you can pick it up at Walgreens…..over the counter……good stuff……makes your brain grow…..and broadens your mind……….hehehehe…<3….Ronnie

  • 38. Kathleen  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:29 am

    The comments at the yahoo news site are mild compared to some others. Google the story and you'll see even worse some other places.

    I get so, so, so, so, so tired of people's narrow view of nature. I suspect it's a sign of higher intelligence, that ability to imagine a reality larger than one's own direct experience. Or for that matter, even truly to see what surrounds you (all the people who say "I don't know any gay people." snicker). I hope my grandchildren will live long enough to see a world that celebrates differences. For now, I'd be glad to just see a bit more tolerance.

  • 39. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:31 am

    So much ignorance in such a narrow mind. How do they do it?

  • 40. Bill  |  March 29, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    When you consider the caliber of most anti-gay heterosexuals, you must ask yourself one question:

    Would I trade places with them?

    Your answer will always be NO.

    Your day will always feel BRIGHTER.

    And for those anti-gay heterosexuals, you will feel SADNESS and PITY.

  • 41. Monty  |  March 30, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Never really thought about that before. As bad as my life may get, at least it's not full of hate.

  • 42. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:43 am

    IT finally happened!!!!!
    Here is his published letter!

  • 43. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:45 am

    About time.

  • 44. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:48 am

    more of his statement:

    A few months ago I decided to write my memoirs, a project I knew was going to bring me closer to an amazing turning point in my life. From the moment I wrote the first phrase I was sure the book was the tool that was going to help me free myself from things I was carrying within me for a long time. Things that were too heavy for me to keep inside. Writing this account of my life, I got very close to my truth. And this is something worth celebrating.
    For many years, there has been only one place where I am in touch with my emotions fearlessly and that's the stage. Being on stage fills my soul in many ways, almost completely. It's my vice. The music, the lights and the roar of the audience are elements that make me feel capable of anything. This rush of adrenaline is incredibly addictive. I don't ever want to stop feeling these emotions. But it is serenity that brings me to where I'm at right now. An amazing emotional place of comprehension, reflection and enlightenment. At this moment I'm feeling the same freedom I usually feel only on stage, without a doubt, I need to share.

    Many people told me: "Ricky it's not important", "it's not worth it", "all the years you've worked and everything you've built will collapse", "many people in the world are not ready to accept your truth, your reality, your nature". Because all this advice came from people who I love dearly, I decided to move on with my life not sharing with the world my entire truth. Allowing myself to be seduced by fear and insecurity became a self-fulfilling prophecy of sabotage. Today I take full responsibility for my decisions and my actions.

    If someone asked me today, "Ricky, what are you afraid of?" I would answer "the blood that runs through the streets of countries at war…child slavery, terrorism…the cynicism of some people in positions of power, the misinterpretation of faith." But fear of my truth? Not at all! On the contrary, It fills me with strength and courage.

    This is just what I need especially now that I am the father of two beautiful boys that are so full of light and who with their outlook teach me new things every day. To keep living as I did up until today would be to indirectly diminish the glow that my kids where born with. Enough is enough. This has to change. This was not supposed to happen 5 or 10 years ago, it is supposed to happen now. Today is my day, this is my time, and this is my moment.

    These years in silence and reflection made me stronger and reminded me that acceptance has to come from within and that this kind of truth gives me the power to conquer emotions I didn't even know existed.

    What will happen from now on? It doesn't matter. I can only focus on what's happening to me in this moment. The word "happiness" takes on a new meaning for me as of today. It has been a very intense process. Every word that I write in this letter is born out of love, acceptance, detachment and real contentment. Writing this is a solid step towards my inner peace and vital part of my evolution.

    I am proud to say that I am a fortunate homosexual man. I am very blessed to be who I am.

  • 45. Kathleen  |  March 29, 2010 at 6:19 am

    I'm really happy for him that he's come to a place of acceptance. This must be a huge burden lifted.

  • 46. fern  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:40 am

    I can understand happiness but this here sounds more like newborn Christians, "Halleluja he's found the light".

  • 47. Monty  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:46 am

    Your point being? He's found what makes him happy. So what it it's superficially similar to religious conversion?

  • 48. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:48 am

    Posted on March 29, 2010
    Univ. of Michigan Elects Gay Student Body President
    By Neal Broverman

    "The University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, one of the nation's largest public universities, elected its first gay student body president on Thursday."

    (me) watch the Hateros say this counts as political power…..because they really are that dumb…..

    Chris Armstrong, a junior majoring in sociology, became the president of the Michigan Student Assembly on a platform of advocacy and activism.

    "The significance of this event really demonstrates the diversity of this University," Armstrong said in a statement. "The ability of this campus to elect an openly gay president to lead them is something that students should be proud of, and the LGBT community should be proud of."

    (me) The Hateros are drowning…..shall we throw them a life raft?……If they ask nicely….maybe…..(snicker)……"Students 2, Bigots 0"<3….Ronnie

  • 49. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:49 am

    Ricky…just you can sing the song the way it was meant to be sung..HE BANGS..HE BANGS….lol

  • 50. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:53 am

    Everywhere people all over the world are going…….DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!……hehehehe….<3….Ronnie

  • 51. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 5:59 am

    Ricky's twitter page is going off the hook with positive comments.
    waiting for CNN to run the is a huge step, with him being a Latin superstar.
    now we seem to be getting pretty good with entertainers coming out…if only we could break the "sporting arena" barrier…the last bastion of homophobia…and after that..the churches will crumble when they realize that we are in fact..EVERYWHERE!

  • 52. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 6:11 am

    When the walls come tumblin' down
    When the walls come crumblin' crumblin'
    When the walls come tumblin' tumblin' down

    I love me some John Mellencamp.

  • 53. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 6:00 am

    In honor of Ricky Martin's not so surprising coming out…..Lets celebrate "The Cup of Life"……<3….Ronnie:

  • 54. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 6:32 am

    OK..ricky's coming out has reached the associated press under the headline:

    "Ricky Martin is livin la vida OPEN!"

  • 55. Monty  |  March 29, 2010 at 6:33 am

    Oh, my head…such a bad joke…though technically correct if you want to mix languages like that.

  • 56. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 6:32 am

    I Sooooooo can't wait for his book.

  • 57. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Archbishop John Nienstedt is bringing two anti-gay heavy-hitters to Minnesota to talk about keeping same-sex marriage illegal in this state. Maggie Gallagher, president of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) and Reverend Salvatore Cordileone, the Bishop of Oakland, will speak at an April 17 event in St. Paul.

    Gallagher's NOM played a huge role in the Prop 8 battle in California and was responsible for a number of hateful and misleading ads against same-sex couples. Cordileone was one of the drafters of Prop 8. In fact, he is known as the "Father of Proposition 8," according to the East Bay Express. Good As You has the details:

    "What almost no one knows is that without Bishop Sal, gay men and lesbians would almost surely still be able to get married today. As an auxiliary bishop in San Diego, Cordileone played an indispensable role in conceiving, funding, organizing, and ultimately winning the campaign to pass Proposition 8. It was Bishop Sal and a small group of Catholic leaders who decided that they had to amend the state constitution. It was Bishop Sal who found the first major donor and flushed the fledgling campaign with cash. It was Bishop Sal who personally brought in the organization that took the lead on the petition drive. And it was Bishop Sal who coordinated the Catholic effort with evangelical churches around the state. Bishop Sal even helped craft the campaign's rhetorical strategy, sitting in on focus groups to hone the message of Proposition 8."

  • 58. Kevin S.  |  March 29, 2010 at 8:29 am

    NOM might want to consider a more effective spokesperson — you know, someone who doesn't move men up the Kinsey Scale.

  • 59. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 8:38 am

    You would think with all the crap going on with all the churches not just the RCC….Haggie would want to distance herself from the religious garbage…..not to mention that they keep trying to use the religion argument(or lack there of) violating freedom of religion and separation btw. church and state…..I guess the Hateros really never do learn…..I guarantee you if the churches keep on forcing themselves on people….they will be the first to go when the Civil War II starts….JMHGO……<3…..Ronnie

  • 60. Ed-M  |  March 29, 2010 at 8:54 am

    The RCC has zero credibility on sexual morals due to their 'institutionalised' paedophilia… save for the credulity of the hateros. They need to publicly apologize to LGBTIQQ people for all the pain they've caused us and those that lived before us, ever since Paul came on the scene with his self-loathing internalised homophobia. That institution is directly responsible for the disgustingly sexual sadomasochistic torture, rape and murder (itself often disgustingly sexual like being sawn in half whilst tied upsidedown, naked) of known lesbians and bisexual women (i.e., "witches") and gay and bisexual men (i.e., "sodomites").
    And you know Bishop Sal has something to hide…

  • 61. G Rod  |  March 29, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Apparently in Sept 2009, 61% of Mn citizens (n=6702 in a Senate conducted survey on a number of things) favoured marriage equality – vs. 34% who did not.

    Olsen and Boies have said an initiative that could make a difference is seeking to influence the views of ordinary citizens on SSM.

    Minnesota has not come up before in the comments on this site. Nor do I recall persons identifying themselves from there.

    dieter, how else can this site help to influence the people of St. Paul? You began by reminding the reader who is Salvatore Cordileone.

    Is marriage equalitymn seeking assistance?

  • 62. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Sorry but I have no idea what you mean by your post or what the point was. lol..

  • 63. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Posted on March 29, 2010
    Okla. Lawmakers Pass Wrong Hate Crimes Bill
    By Michelle Garcia

    Lawmakers in Oklahoma thought they’d figured out a way to exempt the state from enforcing the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Act, which added protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity to the federal hate crimes act. But thanks to “a legislative error,” the Oklahoma senate has instead passed a bill that sidesteps protections based on race and religion.

    (me) you know what I'm getting a little tired of the Hateros belly aching when a law is passed that stops them you know from committing murder….but when they pass laws during their destructive period we are activist……pft….give me a f-ing break f-ing Nazis……

    Senate Bill 1965, passed on March 10, states that local enforcement agencies should not enforce any sections of federal law listed under Title 18 U.S. Code Section 245 unless they are already covered by state law. But it’s Section 249, not 245, where sexual orientation and gender identity protections are listed. Section 245 outlines protections based on race and religion.

    (me) but karma is a B!tch…..they f-ed up bad and just made things better for us….idiots…..OMG the Hateros are sooooo DUMB!!!!……

    Now that the mistake has been made public, the bill has little chance of getting through the House, according to Sarah Warbelow, the Human Rights Campaign’s state legislative director. But that’s little solace for Equality Oklahoma president Toby Jenkins.

    “People are a little embarrassed that it got this far,” he said.

    (me) I mean….yeah…ummm…head in palms….<3….Ronnie

  • 64. Kathleen  |  March 29, 2010 at 11:35 am

    too funny.

  • 65. Ronnie  |  March 29, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Oh how the dimwitted falls even further…..

    Posted on March 29, 2010
    Prejean Sued for Not Paying PR Firm
    By Editors

    "A Texas-based public relations firm is suing beauty queen Carrie Prejean, claiming the antigay former Miss California owes the company $64,000."

    (me) Tisk Tisk…..Ms. Prejean….that's not very Christian of you…..

    A representative for A. Larry Ross Communications, which describes itself as a “Christian-focused” PR film, claims the company was hired last April and logged "hundreds of hours" helping Prejean spread her "biblically correct" message.

    (me) haha….."biblically correct"….bwaaaaaa…..cherry meet Absolute Vodka…..mmmmmm……<3….Ronnie

  • 66. Waxr  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:29 am

    Biblically Correct:

    2:9 Likewise the women are to dress in suitable apparel, with modesty and self-control. Their adornment must not be with braided hair and gold or pearls or expensive clothing, 2:10 but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. 2:11 A woman must learn quietly with all submissiveness. 2:12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet. 2:13 For Adam was formed first and then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, because she was fully deceived,fell into transgression. 2:15 But she will be delivered through childbearing, if she continues in faith and love and holiness with self-control.

  • 67. Monty  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:32 am

    Not exactly the best position for a "beauty queen" to be taking, is it?

  • 68. dieter  |  March 29, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    A tribute to Ricky Martin.
    Ironic how in this of his first ever performances…his group is wearing the rainbow gay flag colors..LOL

  • 69. Kathleen  |  March 29, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    omg, look how young he is. What year is this from?

  • 70. Richard A. Walter (s  |  March 30, 2010 at 7:00 am

    And look at how thin Tony Orlando is! When was this–during the run of Tony Orlando and Dawn?

  • 71. fern  |  March 29, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Indeed Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa.
    But tell me who bought the weapons used by Mugabe "the great liberator" and how about the boycott so America had to buy nickel from Russia at an exorbitant price.

    Yes the fight against racism was won by the West and at what price?
    Mugabe's boys were no terrorists, they were freedom fighters and indeed they got freedom.
    Just like the song "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".

    But what irks me Mr. Leubitz is your mentioning of Hitler,
    are you implying a comparison between Ian Smith and Hitler?
    You people probably don't know that Ian Smith was one of these hero pilots who saved Britain from being invaded by Hitler's hordes he lost most of his face in this battle of Britain.
    Yes I feel sorry for all gay people suffering injustice in this world and I can tell you another thing too, you will achieve equality soon, but as far as acceptance is involved you'll have to wait, just like the black people have to wait and are still waiting even though they gained equality thirty years ago. Their leaders at the NAACP are doing "fund raisers" in other words partying, Just like Salmon and Kate Griffin have been doing at the HRC lately.
    If CT became the second state it was not the LGBT's fault, it was the economic influx they hoped to achieve with it, that is also when Mass. changed its residency law enforced by Mitt Romney.
    The only thing I see is that the LGBT lost miserably in California with more funds than the bigots of course the leadership was busy with "fund raisin'".

  • 72. TrollBusters  |  March 29, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Who ya gonna call?

  • 73. Monty  |  March 30, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Also, we already don't like the HRC here, so that point is meaningless.

  • 74. Ronnie  |  March 30, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Posted on March 30, 2010
    Sheehan Sorry for Antigay Remarks to Dutch
    By Julie Bolcer

    According to Agence France-Presse, the Dutch defense ministry said Tuesday that former NATO commander Sheehan “wrote a letter of apology” dated Monday.

    (me) he's still an @$$whole….apology….smology…..

    “To be clear,” wrote Sheehan to former chief of staff of the Dutch army General Henk van den Breemen, “the failure on the ground in Srebrenica was in no way the fault of the individual soldiers.”

    (me) yeah…ok…whatever you write Sheethood ( mean Sheehan)……in that sentence I see its not the fault of the individual soldier but the fault of the higher ups….the sentence can be filled in one of two ways……since we already know how he thinks….

    1.) " the failure on the ground in Srebrenica was in no way the fault of the individual heterosexual soldiers.”


    2.) "the failure on the ground in Srebrenica was in no way the fault of the individual soldiers.”……then would add……"It's the fault of the higher ups for allowing openly gay soldiers to serve"….

    YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT HE'S THINKING…because…umm…he said it…..f-ing Hatero…..

    "As a result of the letter, the gay rights group Pink Army said it would drop its threat to sue Sheehan."

    (me) not a good idea….but to each his/her own……<3….Ronnie

  • 75. Monty  |  March 30, 2010 at 1:42 am

    Random thing I just noticed: the last three and six of the last ten posts have "bigot" in the title.

  • 76. Waxr  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:39 am

    The Wichita Eagle
    Mon, Mar. 29, 2010

    Marine's dad ordered to pay protesters' court fees
    The Associated Press

    BALTIMORE – The father of a Marine killed in Iraq and whose funeral was picketed by anti-gay protesters from Kansas was ordered to pay the protesters' appeal costs, his lawyers said Monday.

    On Friday, Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ordered Snyder to pay $16,510 to Fred Phelps. Phelps is the leader of Topeka's Westboro Baptist Church, which conducted protests at Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder's funeral in 2006.

    The two-page decision supplied by attorneys for Albert Snyder of York, Pa., offered no details on how the court came to its decision.

    Attorneys also said Snyder is struggling to come up with fees associated with filing a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The decision adds "insult to injury," said Sean Summers, one of Snyder's lawyers.

    The high court agreed to consider whether the protesters' message is protected by the First Amendment or limited by the competing privacy and religious rights of the mourners.

  • 77. Monty  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:44 am

    Please tell me this is just an early April Fools' trick or something.

  • 78. Ronnie  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:51 am

    If its an early AF trick….it's a pretty elaborate one…. I read the same thing in an email news update from cnsnews…..

    the WBC is really crossing the line with this shite…..I say somebody form an army and protect this gut from the government……telling him that if he doesn't pay up he will lose his home and property and have his wages docked…….nice way to treat the father of an American Hero…yeah?……<3….Ronnie

  • 79. Ronnie  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:53 am

    lol…typo…form an army and protect this guy….<3…Ronnie

  • 80. Monty  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:54 am

    No, it's not the WBC that's the problem – everyone already knows what a disgrace to humanity they are. It's that the court sided with them. Seriously, what the hell?

  • 81. Ronnie  |  March 30, 2010 at 2:59 am

    They were paid off…..plain and simple….not a far stretch to think that….yeah?….<3…Ronnie

  • 82. Ed-M  |  March 30, 2010 at 4:13 am

    They weren't bought off, the courts were STACKED. When Clinton stepped down there were almost 200 vacancies in the courts. Bush wasted no time in filling those vacancies, and he replaced Rehnquist and O'Connor with even more right-winged pro-corporate types. Yet Roberts had helped write the majority opinion for Evans v. Roemer. Go figure.

  • 83. Ronnie  |  March 30, 2010 at 3:10 am

    Well it looks like we are breaking into sports after all…..Ok so maybe its not mainstream sports but still…..

    Orlando Jordan Becomes First Bisexual Pro-Wrestler
    Written by Jonathan Higbee | Tuesday, 30 March 2010

    The wrestling entertainment industry has for years made a spectacle (some might even say mockery) of GLBT athletes with a few stereotypical character (played by straight actors) entries into the nighttime soap operas. Last night, TNA Wrestling broke the mold by allowing both the character and real-life athlete Orlando Jordan to come out of the closet as bisexual.

    the audience was quite receptive to the quasi-staged yet real-life coming out of a pro-wrestler.

    (me) I use to watch wrestling in high school….no not completely for the half naked guys but for the wrestling also….its the boxer in me and some of my friends were on the team….we watched it a lot….anyway…I might have to start watching again….lol…..<3…Ronnie

  • 84. Richard A. Walter (s  |  March 30, 2010 at 4:36 am

    And we must never forget that where they are now is where we were not too long ago, and may be headed again if we forget that fact, and if we don't mobilize and band together, not only here in the US, but around the world.

  • 85. fern  |  March 30, 2010 at 6:20 am

    to Monty re:

    46. Monty | March 30, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Your point being? He’s found what makes him happy. So what it it’s superficially similar to religious conversion?"
    I guess your "it" meant to be "if".

    It just makes me uncomfortable, it's just too similar to self righteous condescending Christians accepting a new convert.
    Nothing against happiness.

    your Nbr 5 Monty the ménage à trois may be a fantasy for some but it is deeper than that two books you should read are "Justine ou les malheurs de la vertu" by Sade and "Das function des orgasmus" by Wilhelm Reich. A gay friend of mine once told me gay sex was better because a man knew how another man ticked and it is the same with women, as we men don't know what a woman feels or can't feel what she feels at orgasm.

    Was your "71" directed at my comment?
    if it were I'd say you sound like "I'm not a bigot, I'm gay".

    Hope you had a good night's sleep since you mentioned you were tired.

  • 86. G Rod  |  April 2, 2010 at 7:44 am

    2nd Apr 2010 18:10 GMT

    By Morgan Tsvangirai

    My fellow Zimbabweans,

    It gives me great pleasure to take this weekly opportunity to speak to you directly about issues of importance and concern that face us as a nation…..

    Tthe continued unilateral actions by some amongst us is a threat to cohesion within the Government. We must act and speak together in mattersof national interest within the spirit of consensus and collective responsibility which is the foundation of the transitional Government.

    As a nation, we have obligations to our citizens and the international community to promote the rule of law and human rights if we are to assume our rightful position in the international family of nations.

    Therefore, there can be no place in the new Zimbabwe for hate speech or the persecution of any sector of our population based on race, gender, tribe, culture, sexual orientation or political affiliation. All of us are entitled
    to our own opinions on certain values and beliefs, but in order to move our nation forward and achieve national reconciliation and healing, we have to uphold and foster the fundamental principle of tolerance, including
    tolerance of people that have chosen to live, believe and vote differently from ourselves.

  • 87. Kathleen  |  April 2, 2010 at 7:52 am

    It's certainly good to see there's a voice of reason midst all the craziness.

  • 88. K!r!lleXXI  |  April 3, 2010 at 4:21 am

    This whole story only proves that the one and only issue in the very heart of the matter is ignorance — inability and lack of will to understand that there are other people who are simply different, but this something that makes them different is not their choice and it is not something that makes them freaks; which is why no discrimination against them can be justified. It really is that simple. And, along with world's religious leaders, world's political leaders succumb to this condition — do we really deserve to have people like that as our national leaders? That is the question that everyone has to ask themselves!


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