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Maggie Gallagher meets St. Peter

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By Rob Tisinai

Here’s an animation experiment about NOM’s Maggie Gallagher that I made using this site, whose software has set off a little boom in text-to-speech, user-friendly, 3-D cartoons.

Please share if you like it. Note that the Closed Captioning button is active if you want subtitles.

Frankly, I think maybe we ought to do an animation festival. Make a video, upload it to youtube, and post the link here. Anybody want to give it a try?

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  • 1. Freddy  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:31 am

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  • 3. Alan E.  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:13 am

    Emails please!

  • 4. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:32 am

    I LOVE this video, Rob. I think I will try the site you linked to in this post. And if I have any questions, I will come back here and ask.

  • 5. Alan McCornick  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:40 am

    Brilliant! Just brilliant!

  • 6. Tigger  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Brilliant and profound! The best take I've seen yet.

  • 7. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:40 am

    Rob, I love your animation videos — not just for the content but for the fact that I can actually watch them. Video streaming on the low-end broadband available to me is impossible.

  • 8. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:44 am

    Rob, you have such a way with words :).

  • 9. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:59 am

    He certainly does.

  • 10. Fr0zt  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:44 am

    I really like both the minimalist, socratic approach on St. Peter's part and the fact that Gallagher seemed to be passionately advocating her best arguments. It would be easy to put straw-man arguments in her mouth or to have St. Peter lecture her with our arguments, but this was was much better.

  • 11. Dave in ME  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:47 am

    It's cute, but tired and presumptuous. Nobody knows what happens when we die and saying the St. Peter is going to take our side, or any side, is kind of silly. And the points that are made are the same that we've been making and hearing for years now.

    I don't see the point of this, really.

    Dave in Maine

  • 12. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:59 am

    Well, I don't believe in St. Peter or the rest of that shebang, but knowing that the NOMbies do makes it really funny to me.

  • 13. Bob  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:35 am

    Kate , you know the word shebang, comes from Straight Grandmother, she likes to use that word, just another indication of how much like family this group is becoming, even talking alike.

    Loved the video Rob,

  • 14. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:48 am

    Nice to hear, Bob — but she didn't invent it!

  • 15. Bob  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:38 am

    sorry if I made that implication, I just always loved hearing her use the word,

    oh and I also wanted to say I enjoyed your lesson re the eggs, and the triple yolk, and settting people straight on it having nothing ot do with the rooster, I learned that too , from having chickens, the unformed shells were yukky.

    I'm looking for a poppy that is referred to as the fried egg poppy, cause that's what it looks like , it's hudge, grows wild in California, and very difficult to propogate, cause the seeds only germinate after being scorched in forest fire.

  • 16. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:55 am

    I love those fried-egg poppies — the matilija poppy. Kathleen has one, I believe.

  • 17. Bob  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:10 am

    Envy is not a good emotion, but I'm betting that being honest will balance it out.; I've always envied Kathleen for her wisdom, but having a matilija poppy, that puts me over the edge.

    I'm on a wait list for two plants next spring, a very nice lady who lives near the hospital has yard full of them, she's 89, and I had the greatest conversation with her, she said she feels like such a hog, cause her yard is full, but try as you might, and many have they cannot be transpllanted or seeded. It took five years for hers to grow so large six feet tall, she says they are better than a fence, and she loves to sit behind them in her wheelchair, hidden from the traffic.

    I don't expect I'll be here to see mine grow that large, but I would certainly love to start a patch in my garden for others to enjoy. They are very drought tolerant.

    Lucky Kathleen

  • 18. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:15 am

    I had to look at a photo online of a matilija poppy, and I discovered that it's the same plant that grows (abundantly) in the Sierra that I always thought was a wild primrose. The things we learn at P8TT, eh?!

  • 19. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 7:09 am

    Bob, yes indeed we have matilija poppies in our yard. The main plant typically grows about 10+ feet every year. On my facebook page you can see a picture of the plant and also a video of bees on the flowers. (don't know if you're on facebook). The bees LOVE them. During the blooming season, the plant just hums from all the bee activity.

    We have really sandy soil, so the plant has actually become a nuisance. We're constantly having to pull it up from all over the property. But you're right — despite how readily it takes off in the yard, it's difficult to propagate.

    Our latest experiment is putting out some plastic pots of soil on top of places where it's spring up, hoping it will grow up into the pot and once it has sufficient root system, clipping off the portion under the pot. I'll let you know if it works.

  • 20. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Ten feet? Definitely not the plant I thought it was; sorry. Maybe what I see in the Sierra are wild primroses after all.

  • 21. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Ours are unusually tall, probably because of the sandy soil. They’re typically more like 6′ – 8′. The flowers are about about 6″ in diameter. They’re really unmistakable! I don’t know how high an elevation they’re adapted to; I associate them with California chaparral.

  • 22. carpoolcookie  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:11 am

    Dave: The points made in the video aren't new, but they're put into a new format which has some humor. This makes it accessible to some who might not read an entire article…let alone (god forbid) any trial transcripts.

    In advertising, they say a product or concept must be viewed three times before it makes an impression. So there's nothing wrong with repeating things.

  • 23. Dave in ME  |  August 31, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Hi, Carpoolcookie!

    I understand, but sometimes it seems that we just rerun our same points again and again to each other and we all agree with each other. I really don't think that the people who we really want to see and hear this will see and hear the important points it makes. They are in their insulated cocoons and only click on that with which they already agree or have been told to click on.

    It is cute, yes. And I don't mean to put it down so harshly, but I see it as something I'd see here at the university where I work-something cool that everyone agrees on but that's it. Or something that people can do on Facebook but never actually do anything more. However, I don't know Mr. Tisinai and maybe it's unfair for me to compare this to what I see here on campus, so I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.



  • 24. Bob  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Kathleen, yup that's the joy of the plant, the only attention it really needs is to be cut back, to keep from spreading, the blooms are amazing, and I love the bees,

    speaking of which, I am having a problem with hornets, or yellow jackets, which I am trying to get rid off, I should have done it in spring, now they have become very unruly, and I have numerous traps, they really piss me off, my neice was here yesterday, and made an interesting observation, because I know have been stung three times, she said well at least you have three places to poke your sticks and stir up trouble, mother and her church 2. the P8TT site, 3. the wasp nest, I've been stung by poking my nose in those three places,

    Kate, there is a smilar plant to the poppy, looks just the same only smaller, I'm getting some from a friend, it's called a Japanese Anenome,

  • 25. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Unfortunately, cutting it back doesn't control its spread. It spreads through underground runners. We planted the 1 gallon plant in the front of the house. It now pops up on all four sides of the house, having sent runners underneath the slab. It has always sent runners under the patio, driveway, and garage and there are plants coming up all over the property.

    It is particularly aggressive in our yard because of the sandy soil. The soil in its native chaparral is often more clay. But it is truly an invasive plant – worse than any bamboo I've ever had. Still, I think it's worth it.

  • 26. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:08 am

    @Kathleen – Sounds as if it acts like Wisteria. I always loved Wisteria until I had it in my yard! CURSES. It is devil weed.

  • 27. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Ah, Dave, this is aimed at the religious, after all they are the ones spearheading the anti-equality movement (or as straight grandmother emphasizes, the discrimination movement). I think it is very cute and very clever and with Rob's permission and if I ever figure out how, I want to post it on my facebook page. Know I have some religious right among my family and friends. Maybe it will give them something to think about.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 28. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Sheryl, you should be able to use this link as a video link for your status update on facebook. If you have trouble with it, send me a message through facebook.

  • 29. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Drat! That wasn't supposed to embed!

  • 30. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 31, 2010 at 5:08 am

    Also, Sheryl, if it is on YouTube, when you pull it up, there is a Facebook icon that lets you share it. You click on the icon, sign into your FB account, then click share.

  • 31. Dave in ME  |  August 31, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Hi, Sheryl!

    Yes, I see that. But will they ever see it? Or will it forever be shared among us who already know it and agree with it?

    Dave in Maine

  • 32. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:49 am

    Excellent! Thank you, Rob!

  • 33. Bolt  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:53 am

    I can relate to the awkward silence, and bewilderment when St. Peter says "what?"

    I'll try to compose a video of M. G., and her bus tour of crazy, but it won't be animation. I was thinking of doing something with puppets, and a matchbox bus.

  • 34. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:01 am


  • 35. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:01 am

    Military funeral first amendment case against Phelps/Westboro Baptist Church goes to the Supreme Court Oct 6

    Protest at military funeral ignites a test of free speech

  • 36. Bolt  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:13 am

    It's difficult to hate on Fred Phelps. According to this article, he was a civil rights attorney who advocated strongly for the legal equality of African Americans.

    It would be fascinating to know why he transitioned from this highly honorable attorney to who he is now.

  • 37. Fr0zt  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Ditto–Phelps comes across more like a crazed homeless guy than like George Wallace. Whenever I see him, I'm less angry at him than I am at the people who televise him instead of medicating him.

  • 38. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:38 am

    Interesting comments on the TowleRoad article. If true, he was never in it for the cause of civil rights, only for the money.

  • 39. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 7:07 am

    I'm thinking Phelps = undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenia

  • 40. MJFargo  |  August 31, 2010 at 3:00 am

    I lived in Topeka for 19 years, and I always respected the Phelps' work in the arena of civil rights. His "church" is basically a tax front where his congregation was soley members of his own family (at least at the time I lived there), and the community always saw him as someone who had a few screws loose. But I interpreted that as an objection to his family's work with the African American community.

    It was only after I moved to California and was sitting in a church surrounded by the GLBT community to act as a buffer to the Phelps' protest at Randy Shilt's memorial–which threatened to become a riot–that I realized how far-afield the Phelps' really had become. It was a searing moment for me and one that I pledged to always work to be honest about who I was and try to further the rights of everyone.

    But it was also a reminder that even people who do good work can wrongly hate. And perhaps its a lesson that demonizing your opponent is an act of judgment that has its own perils. While I doubt the Phelps' can be moved by either education or enlightenment, you never know who can be taught the error of their ways.

  • 41. Bolt  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:16 am

    I'm guessing the SCOTUS will rule against Phelps. The plaintiffs have shown the real harm caused by the WBC. IANAL.

  • 42. Bob  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:24 am

    Thanks for the explanation Sagesse, my ignorance overwhelms me, these sublte differences in laws between us.

    And another hurdle to life and liberty for Rainbow Folks in the states, holy crap, they're legally allowed to incite hatred , but only after the crime is committed and someone dies, can they be punished. whoooa horsey.

    Can't believe the rights of religious bigots, guess I'lll wander out into the garden and play in the dirt, dreaming of my new poppy next spring.

    How come religious bigots get all those rights????? wow

  • 43. Bob  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:07 am

    the lines are obviously blurred between freedom of speech, which everyone is so willing to defend, and safegaurd, because it is so highly valued,

    and HATE SPEECH these protests are so directly aimed at homosexuals, promoting hatered towards us. the freedom of seech seems smoke and mirrors, to protect a HATE CRIME

    surely one can't seek refuge in the first admendment to pomote HATE CRIMES

  • 44. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:20 am

    Hate speech is different from a hate crime.

    What happened to Matthew Shepard was a hate crime. What Phelps and crew indulge in is hate speech.

  • 45. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:51 am

    Understand, Bob, that in Canada, both hate crime (physical violence) and hate speech are prohibited. In the US, there are laws against hate crime, but all speech, even what we would call hate speech (speech or print intended to incite others to hatred of a particular group) is protected. And doubly so for religious speech.

    The right will often say the hate crimes law will inhibit people or churches from speaking out against immorality, but it's a lie.

  • 46. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:58 am

    Hm… when hate SPEECH leads to physical violence, how much of a defense could the attackers have for "but my preacher said it waz alright"? The attackers would be tried as a hate crime, but could the preacher be held accountable in some way?

    Just curious…

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 47. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:55 am

    I believe it is illegal to incite violence. There is some question as to what, exactly, incites violence, but if you are preaching to your followers that they must go out and kill all mailmen (or one mailman in particular) then you are in trouble.

    Worse trouble if they actually go out and do it.

    But Phelps skirts that issue by not saying that people should be killed, but that God loves it when they die. A slight difference, but enough that legally he is not inciting violence.

  • 48. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    If God loves it when we die, why doesn’t he just throw lightning bolts at us?

  • 49. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:55 am

    HMMMM… here's a thought. Cemeteries are usually considered to be a solemn, sacred area… maybe we can get each municipality to pass a noise ordinance to protect the solemnity of the area — then Phelps wouldn't be able to use his bullhorn from the street to disrupt funerals — he'd have to whisper his hate. 🙂

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 50. robtish  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:02 am

    Just a technical note. You can make videos for free at, but I downloaded their free desktop version and invested $10 in their "Playgoz Showpak."

    But you probably should play with their free online version first to see if you like it.

  • 51. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:25 am

    Rob, having a little trouble with eliminating cameras that I accidentally put in the wrong place in the script blocks. Do you know how I get rid of them?

  • 52. robtish  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:30 am

    Are you using the desktop software? You can just put your click in the relevant script box, use the left and right arrows on your keyboard to put the cursor next to the camera icon, and hit "delete" or "backspace" as appropriate to delete the icon.

  • 53. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:56 am

    No, I was using the online movie maker. I have saved it for when I get time to go back and edit. Would it work the same way with the online version?

  • 54. robtish  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:12 am

    It might. I'm not actually that proficient with the online version.

  • 55. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:26 am

    I went in and clicked on the camera icon, then backspaced. Camera gone! Thanks, Rob!

  • 56. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:06 am

    OutServe To Form Base And Regional Chapters To Help LGBT Servicemembers

  • 57. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:25 am

    I am really loathe to say so, but I (gag) support Phelps on this. I think what he says is evil and vile and horrendous, but I have to support his right to say it, even if it disturbs people.

    It is awful. But it is the price we pay for freedom for the rest of us. The MINUTE that he advocates actual violence, I am all for locking him up. If he is one decibel above the local ordinances, shut him down. When he crosses the line and is on private property, haul him away. But if he follows the rules, I must support him, even though it makes me ill.

    On the other hand, I have to express great kudos to the various organizations that have taken to standing between Phelps and funerals. There are veterens who are bikers who go and stand as an honor guard, blocking them. There was on town where residents went to a funeral and sang "Amazing Grace" loud enough to drown them out.

    Because I am ALL for drowning them out (provided the opposition stays within the law as well). Freedom of speech does not include the right to be heard, nor the guarantee of an audience, as so many people (most of NOM included) seem to think. People like NOM and Phelps can spew all they want, but they must understand that there will always be others who are louder, and have their facts right, and who will speak for justice. And that is how we defeat them, not by taking away their rights.

    Remember, NOM thinks our right to marry is just as loathesome.

  • 58. Fr0zt  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:33 am

    I loves me some First Amendment too, but there are reasonable time/place/manner restrictions. We can't walk down the street at 3am screaming our political beliefs from a bullhorn (whatever they may be), and I think the same principle applies to funerals.

    Keep in mind that the Justices are old enough to have buried quite a few friends and colleagues between them, and I can't imagine any of them want their funerals turning into political rallies.

  • 59. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:39 am

    Anonygirl, I think I'm with you. If he is following all the applicable time, place and manner restrictions, he is within his rights, and although it makes me gag, I have to be in favor of everyone having those rights. Even the Phelpses.

  • 60. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:42 am

    Tough call, really. I agree, 3am and bullhorns are not the way to go, and most places have noise ordinances that prevent this. But if you follow those reasonable rules, you can hold a rally at 3am (although I don't know why you would want to).

    The danger becomes what to restrict, and what not to. Funerals, ok. Church services? Well, they are LIKE funerals, in a way. How about schools? How about when that school is the Truth Academy? How about if NOM were to declare all their rallies to be memorial services to people who supported the cause and have died, and we were prevented from protesting lest we disturb them?

    The lines get fuzzy very quickly, and I am scared about that. THIS is a slippery slope where the issues actually DO lead one into the next.

  • 61. Mark M  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:44 am

    I agree with you 100% Anonygrl.
    Phelps and his 'family' have the right to do what they do so long as they stay within the boundaries set by law. He is very intelligent and knows the law….have never seen evidence he breaks the law. Sure wish he would slip up now and than. Pix of him being arrested would be just awesome!

  • 62. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:49 am

    I hate it when I have to agree to this.

  • 63. Bolt  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:50 am

    In my opinion, I disagree. Phelps has crossed the line at protesting funerals. The events that happen at a funeral are separate from our everyday activities. While there isn't anything in the constitution that says we can't protest at a funeral, it's a perverse invasion of privacy, and it's only purpose is to incite pandemonium. For this, WBC deserves to pay for everything the plaintiffs are asking. A real harm has been done.

  • 64. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:14 am


    Is harm done to NOM when we protest their raliies? According to Brian we drive their supporters away, we make them fear for their safety, we offend their religious beliefs.

    Does that make US as bad as Phelps?

    How do we decide who is right and who is wrong? Is it just speech that we find distasteful that should be banned? Phelps and family were on public property, there were not enough of them to constitute a group that needed a permit, and they were using their civil rights.

  • 65. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:29 am

    It always does come down to this — "we" support their right to free speech, and "they" deny ours.

  • 66. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:34 am


    The ongoing problem in the fight between good and evil is that good is constrained to do the right thing, even when it benefits evil, but evil is not so constrained.

    It sucks, it is hard, and it can be painful, but we know what is right and we have to do it.

  • 67. Bolt  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:40 am

    Anongirl, a NOM rally, and a funeral are not the same, and I would never tolerate anyone protesting at funeral of my family, and I can't tolerate it at another family's funeral.

    Protests at NOM rallies are a highly appropriate place to let it go, but not at a funeral.


  • 68. Dalow  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:41 am

    To get a good view of "The Real Fred Phelps," you can look at the Web Site of one of his children, Nathan (Nate) at His narrative is stunning and revealing. You tend to wonder about Fred's mental state.

    But the more important revelation is that the elder Phelps is evidently a 'brilliant' attorney. I have read (on the Web) that some of his family members are as well. They seem to be able to keep themselves within the strict letter of the law to avoid prosecution. When they ARE prosecuted they are most often found not guilty. Then they turn the tables and sue for reimbursement of legal fees from those who prosecuted.

    He's not a nice man. And I'm proud of and sorry for Nate.

  • 69. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:00 am

    @Ann S

    "Anonygirl, I think I’m with you. If he is following all the applicable time, place and manner restrictions, he is within his rights, and although it makes me gag, I have to be in favor of everyone having those rights. Even the Phelpses."

    Much as I find it disgusting, I'm afraid the First Amendment wins on this one. I do wish there was some way to recognize that a funeral (procession) is a private moment that of necessity takes place in public, and it should be treated as private. I also think it is reprehensible to intrude on the families of service members who happen to have died because the country permits other, completely unrelated LGBT individuals to serve.

  • 70. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:15 am

    Phelps and the WBC make me sick to my stomach. But hey aren't doing anything illegal… just ill.

    The more they spew hate, the more people realize that 'good' must be the opposite of 'WBC'. Phelps actually helps the fight for equality by being so evil.
    The way the communities come together to legally fight back — singing Amazing Grace so loudly to drown them out, the Freedom Riders and local protesters staking out the best places so that Phelps can't get anywhere near the funerals — it's wonderful to see.
    With how much people are responding against Phelps's hate, the WBC often doesn't show up at their planned events — I love that so much!

    So, yeah, I get violently ill at the thought of Fred and his cult… for my own health, I'd love to seem them disappear in the sunlight like vampires… but for the fight for equality, letting them speak is worth it.

    If we restrict their right to be heard, then how can we fight for our right to be heard?

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 71. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:33 am

    This does make me wonder — how are Klan gatherings controlled? When are they allowed and when not?

  • 72. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:57 am

    Some states have responded to the WBC by passing laws setting up protest-free zones around funerals. One of these was recently held to be unconstitutional by a federal district court judge. The state plans to appeal:

  • 73. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I am no expert on the First Amendment, but the trick is going to be to come up with a restriction on time, place and manner of protesting that protects the grieving and passes constitutional muster as far as the rights of the protestors. I haven’t read the article you linked, Kathleen, but if WBC and their ilk keep protesting then eventually the right balance will be found in terms of the laws.

  • 74. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Fun fun!!! I love the questions St. Peter asks, and her calling HIM a bigot.

  • 75. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:07 am

    That was funny! I needed that laugh; thanks!

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 76. Sean  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:22 am

    I love how St. Peter doesn't seem to be on one side or the other when it comes to same-sex marriage in the video…he just lets Maggie rant on and on and on until she literally condemns herself. All poor Peter does is ask the questions!!

  • 77. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:36 am

    This is a fiendishly clever device. In real life, Maggie (or Brian) would never answer the question… she would deflect, and give a lecture that has nothing to do with the question.

    But here, Rob has still caught her, because the answers robo-Maggie gives are her answers, more or less in her own words. "Not my problem" is implied by never ever answering the question.

  • 78. Straight Grandmother  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:35 am

    You got that right. I remember when Rick Jacobs tried to get Brian S Brown the Biggest Bigot in America to answer the question about, "What about the children of gays and lesbians?" Brian Brown the Biggest Bigot in America would nto answer the question.

  • 79. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:38 am

    Socrates had it right.

  • 80. Dave in CA  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:59 am

    Well, anyone can see from his biased questions that Saint Peter is one of those liberal, activist saints.

  • 81. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:00 am

    Activist saints, what an image!

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 82. Dave in CA  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:15 am

    And his San Francisco values, too.

  • 83. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 7:28 am

    He was considered to be somewhat of a radical in his own time, also. An agitator, even!

  • 84. Apricot  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:24 am

    You gotta love Maggie Gallagher calling St Peter an anti-religious bigot.

  • 85. Brandy  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:24 am

    I thought it was great! I also loved the way he questioned her. Just brilliant!

  • 86. Mark M  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:50 am

    Cute video. To bad the vocals aren't smoother…. but for what it is it's great.

  • 87. carpoolcookie  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:20 am

    I like the choppy vocals, and think they're funny. I once tried to make something with that program, but it's quite time consuming! Sometimes you have to experiment with spelling certain words phonetically in the text, to get it to sound right when the video plays.

    They always make me laugh, though.

  • 88. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:55 am

    LOVE it! Great summary of NOM lack of substance.

    p.s. St Peter designed to look a little like Judge Walker? 😉

  • 89. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 7:18 am

    "St Peter designed to look a little like Judge Walker? ;)"

    Good eye. I thought that, too.

  • 90. Felyx  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:58 am

    Finish the video Rob… Peter lets her in and she is surrounded by same-sex souls kissing and holding hands. Put a big ol' shocked face on her just to top it all off! LOL

  • 91. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:02 am

    Yeah! Maybe St. Pete thought (he's a bit hard of hearing, ya'know) she said she was involved in marriage equality!

  • 92. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:02 am

    LOL! It really is scary for many. I referred my dear to watch "Prayers for Bobby"…the only comment she said was she was "put-off" by Bobby kissing his boyfriend.

  • 93. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:06 am

    What is NOM up to now, you may ask?

  • 94. StevenJ  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:36 am

    Useless drivel. P8TT has obviously lowered its standards. Perhaps the fight for equality needs a different web site.

  • 95. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:46 am

    You find a lighthearted post offensive? Sorry. I thought it was refreshing.

  • 96. StevenJ  |  August 31, 2010 at 12:50 am

    I didn't find it offensive. I found it useless in the fight for quality.

  • 97. Bolt  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:53 am

    What would you like to talk about, StevenJ?

  • 98. StevenJ  |  August 31, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Bolt, my comment was not about what I want "to talk about". It's about what I come to P8TT for – news, updates, analysis, etc. But thanks for asking.

    To Dave in CA (below): I had not considered that. While I found it useless, you smartly pointed out that there are differing opinions. And that using the video also reaches a different audience. Thank you for your insight.

    But some comments on this thread are another example of why I rarely comment on this or any other board: posts which simply flame because the person doesn't have anything educated to add to the discussion. (I wasn't even angry about the video; I just didn't think it was necessary to be a major topic on P8TT.)

    Apologies on above response: should be fight for "E"quality, although we should also be fighting for Quality, even in our own comments 🙂

  • 99. fiona64  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:54 am

    Obvious troll is obvious …


  • 100. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    love it!!

  • 101. Fluffyskunk  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    His concern is legitimate. I come to this site for news, and while I don’t mind the occasional lighthearted post, I fail to see the point of this. This video should have been posted in the comments, not as an article.

    A single angry post does not warrant branding a person an “obvious troll”.

  • 102. Bob  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    @Fluffyskunk, I see it as more than a cute video, Rob also offers some information on how others could make similar videos, that is the larger point, learning how to make a video, who knows what people might come up with, I thnk he is asking us to participate, in production which could be used, rather than just consumers of what he puts out.

  • 103. Dave in CA  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    I don’t see it as useless drivel at all. It’s another way of pointing out that for all their posturing about protecting marriage and advocating for children, it’s really just empty words without any meaningful action or results on their part.

    And it does it with humor and visualization instead of words on paper which will help the concepts sink in with those for whom abstract arguments don’t necessarily get through. If this kind of communication gets through to just 1 or 2% more folks, then it has value.

  • 104. carpoolcookie  |  August 30, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Yes. A lot of people you meet don't want to read an article, but they'll watch a short video.

  • 105. Brett  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:47 am

    Am I the only one who read the blog post title and instantly thought Maggie Gallagher had passed away?

    Perhaps I'll sound like an asshole when I say this: I don't wish her dead, but I wouldn't shed a tear for the loss of her either.

  • 106. Straight Grandmother  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:39 am

    I am not ashamed to say I would do a little jig danse.

  • 107. carpoolcookie  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:48 am

    I love this cartoon! Very well done : )

    As for Fred Phelps, while he's a very scary and violent father within his family (SEE:, as an agnostic I have never wanted him to be silenced. The more exposure he gets, the more he makes people go back and question what's in the Bible.

  • 108. carpoolcookie  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:51 am

    Ooops…I think that "end parenthsis" throws off the link. It's to an autobiography by one of Fred Phelps' sons, describing their abused childhood. It was entered into evidence at a court trial, and is now in the public record.

    Try this:

  • 109. carpoolcookie  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:04 am

    Okay, I am being a bad influence here, as I'm not really cross-checking my memories before posting them.

    The work "Addicted to Rage" about Fred Phelps is not an autobiography by his son. One of his son's met with the author and is quoted at length…which is the part I remember most vividly. Anyway, just wanted to clear that up : )

  • 110. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    The WBC is considered over the top, even by most other anti-gay groups. That’s why I always consider it a waste of an opportunity to ask people like Brian Brown if they agree with the WBC message. Other than a few fringe individuals, I haven’t seen anyone else out there publicly embrace the WBC’s message.

  • 111. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:00 am

    OT: Call the National Organization for Marriage and tell them to meet with the LGBT community and supporters for a real dialogue.

    This is great!

  • 112. Straight Grandmother  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:50 am

    LLB who is speaking in the video? Is it anyone we know from our community here on P8tt?

  • 113. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:55 am

    I am truly not sure. You can leave a message for her on her youtube page:

    I hope she gets the debate. But I doubt Brian Brown would do it for fear of losing a debate to a woman!

  • 114. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:02 am

    He would lose the same debate to my dogs.

  • 115. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 7:17 am

    I think this is Jude.

  • 116. Straight Grandmother  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:13 am

    @ Fr0zt -"I loves me some First Amendment too" ha-ha-ha.
    I loves me a sense of humor too.

    I have to agree with Bolt on this one. I believe we should be able to bury our dead in peace. There are enough chances and times in life for protest, a funeral of your son or daughter is not one of them. This is a private time and we all deserve and expect a right to privacy.

  • 117. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:53 am

    I agree with SG. Surely a line can be drawn between freedom of speech and harassment. What the Phelps crowd do at military funerals is the verbal equivalent of stalking.

  • 118. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:59 am

    Could WBC be accountable for harassment or stalking? That would be an interesting case to investigate.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 119. Straight Grandmother  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:22 am

    Oh and to read aboout the ass hole (sorry I am not going to abbreviate it for this guy) please follow this link. Read about how his wife used to have to tie her children to their high chairs as he would keep her locked up with him in the bedroom for hours and hours at a time. You have to have a very strong stomach to read this book, and it is a book, way much more than is on his son's website. Literally rad it and weep.

    You can rad the background fromt he newspsper reporter who wrote the story or just jump into chapter one.
    This WILL make your hair curl…

    If you read the whole thing come back and post.

  • 120. Michelle Evans  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:45 am

    Yes, Phelps has a right to free speech, but that doesn't necessarily mean he has a right to protest at someone's private funeral. We also have a right to privacy, and doing what he does is the ultimate in invasion of that privacy.

    Going to a NOM rally and having a counter protest is absolutely correct under the 1st Amendment because both actions are political in nature, and we have a right to each of our views. Being at a funeral is nothing of the sort. It is not political, it is a private affair for family and friends of the deceased.

    As a personal example: I had a friend last year who committed suicide. My wife and are were not allowed to attend her funeral because I am transgender and the ex-wife of my friend didn't want "my kind" to be there. We received an invite, yet when we arrived, we were escorted away because of who I am. It was the "right" of that jerk ex-wife (who was the primary reason my friend committed suicide in the first place) to keep us out of the proceedings.

    If I am allowed to be kept away from the funeral of a friend, then Phelps has no right to be at a funeral he is there only to desecrate.

  • 121. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:50 am

    Michelle – one more horror story the NOM folks have not clue about…or if they hear of it, somehow twist into God's judgment. I really have no use for religion these days!

    Sorry for your loss 🙁

  • 122. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:53 am

    I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, and that the family didn't want you there.

    As far as the WBC… I believe Phelps is usually not at the funeral itself, but at the entrance to the cemetery, yelling loudly on a bullhorn. Since he's not on the cemetery grounds itself, but on public property on the sidewalk outside, there isn't much that can be done.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 123. Mark M  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:29 am

    One of the greatest days of my life was back in April 1993, when at the civil rights march in DC I got close enough to Phelps to spit on him and scream at him how horrible a person he was.
    I truly hate that man!

  • 124. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:07 am


    Phelps does not protest the funeral itself, which is on private property, in a church or a funeral home. He protests the funeral procession and the burial at the cemetery, both of which are 'public'.

  • 125. Straight Grandmother  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Michelle, why are people so mean?

  • 126. Straight Cousin  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:49 am

    That is just too cool. The style and voices were great!!

  • 127. Felyx  |  August 30, 2010 at 5:53 am

    This is how I react every time i hear Maggie, Brian or the Defense-Interwieners open their mouths to say anything… (Hope you all enjoy – Felyx)

  • 128. Mark M  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:13 am

    Thank you Felyx..I needed that 🙂

  • 129. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 7:34 am

    That is fantastic!

  • 130. Felyx  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:14 am

    There is a reason why I have learned to carry on a debate so well with NOM and their ilk. I have had specialized training at a clinic that specializes in such matters. Here is a clip to demonstrate how to best deal with closed-minded illogical ranting naysayers. – Felyx

  • 131. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:20 am

    ROFL! Thank you Felyx! I love Monty Python!

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 132. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:28 am

    <cite>Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.</cite>

    Yup, sounds like NOM's standard method of dialog.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 133. Lesbians Love Boies  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:20 am

    Those arguments are about as clear as NOMs!

  • 134. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:31 am

    If I could put a title on this post it would be "They are not!"

    Then the text of the post would read "Are too!!"

    It really loses something in translation though.


  • 135. Sagesse  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:30 am

    Python has an answer for everything :).

  • 136. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 7:01 am

    On yet another topic, I just came across this interesting Washington Post article titled "Same-sex marriage gains GOP support". More hope for the future.

  • 137. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:15 am

    I don't mean that it went away on the thread when we moved on; just that the new topic the next day wasn't still in italics. Yours will match mine at the end of the first PP&M thread, so we're in good company together!

  • 138. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    This article quote jumped out at me: (trying my hand at html)

    “I come from a pretty strict upbringing in that I was raised Catholic,” said Dawn Wildman, a coordinator for the California Tea Party Patriots, who said she personally opposes gay marriage. “But I have this strong belief in individualism. Not to mention that we don’t have the luxury to think of the social issues right now.”

    So nice to know that focusing on our lives is a “luxury”!

    None of the Repugs mentioned are actually running for office. When I see a shift in talking points from those, I’ll take notice. Just because candidates don’t denounce us doesn’t mean that they support us.

    I really do, overall, find this very heartening. Equality is inevitable.

    We NEED a viable, National third party – if not a fourth.

    We aren’t getting any bang for our Democratic bucks right now, either!

  • 139. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:03 am

    CRAP!! The world is in italic and it is my fault.

    forgive me.

  • 140. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:06 am

    <i />
    Please tell me that did it

  • 141. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:09 am

    I did that to a thread once, too, and I still don't know how. It went away when we moved on to a new topic………

  • 142. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:17 am

    @bJason: /i> should stop the italics. Always use a "/" before you type in the letter for the emphatic that you wre using, then after the code, type in">". That should stop it.

  • 143. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    OK, so remind me again. What is the “cutoff code” for html


  • 144. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    trying to stop the madness

    did that work?

  • 145. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:47 am


    Knowing I'm in such good company makes me feel much better!!

    @ RAW – thanks. I found that on the interwebs -too late – (as evidenced by my multiple posts above – attempting to correct it). I guess that if one misses closing an emphatic in a given post "all is lost" 🙂

    You guys rock!

  • 146. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:49 am

    I didn't know until you did it here, too, that it was universal — I thought only my monitor was being affected by my goof. Gives ya' kind of a sense of power, eh?!

  • 147. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Nice thought!!

    (In a booming voice): "Don't make me Strike-through all you bitches!!!"

    Though we wouldn't need that here.

  • 148. Dave P.  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:05 am

    @bJ: Hee Hee! now THAT was funny!

  • 149. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:03 am

    No, bJason, all is not lost if you forget to close an empathicism. It just means that you fit right in with the rest of us, which only makes you that much more fabulous!

  • 150. Judy  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:55 am

  • 151. Judy  |  August 30, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    That should have turned it off.

  • 152. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:57 am

    I'll give it a shot.

  • 153. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 8:57 am

    Curses, foiled again!

  • 154. Judy  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:07 am

    <pre> I'm trying 'pre' now. It's the hidden engineer in me. I must solve this.

  • 155. Judy  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:10 am

    I'm trying font style as normal.

  • 156. Judy  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:12 am

    I only continue to try knowing we have already started another thread. I presume this one is dead now… must…… solve……..

  • 157. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Judy wants the power……

  • 158. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Power, power, who’s got the power?

    anyone else ever play that game?

  • 159. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:32 am

    You rock! I'm the same way when I get on something.

    Sorry to have done this to you.

  • 160. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:17 am

    I wonder what happens if I do


  • 161. mackenzie  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Love it!

  • 162. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:37 am

    just thought of something else to try.

  • 163. Ann S.  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Maybe this?

  • 164. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Sorry for all the trouble. Thanks for trying to right my wrongs. gods know I need it!

    <3 Jason

  • 165. Richard A. Walter (s  |  August 30, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Let's try this one on for size.

  • 166. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    I find it interesting that this thread, which is ultimately about silly cartoons (which is fine!) has been split off into a serious discussion of Phelps and the 1st Amendment.

    Even when we are having an easygoing day, we still are concerned about serious issues. Gotta love us!

    Sorry StephenJ, your little snide comment was for naught.

  • 167. Anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    StevenJ. Oops.

  • 168. StevenJ  |  August 31, 2010 at 2:00 am

    LOL – that's what happens when I stopped using Steve. The evolving discussion on Phelps, et al, has been quite interesting. Perhaps I should follow more of these threads online, 'cause I'm not hearing these discussions in person. Wait, I'm opposed to that. Oh, darn, did my mind just get opened to a new idea? 🙂

  • 169. Anonygrl  |  August 31, 2010 at 2:13 am

    New Ideas! Aren't they fun!

    Be careful, subscribing here can become addictive. But I've learned a TON of interesting things, and had as many fascinating conversations. I hope you do follow along, speak up, join in!


  • 170. anonygrl  |  August 30, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    What is going on here? I leave you people alone for a couple of hours and you italicize the whole place?

    Well cut it out!


  • 171. Kathleen  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    We're lost without you.

  • 172. Anonygrl  |  August 31, 2010 at 9:19 am

    LOL. I will have to get you one of those GPS tracker thingies that works on cell phones so you can find me if you need me!

    This is getting very silly. Good thing I love silly!


  • 173. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    I love you, Anonygrl!

  • 174. Anonygrl  |  August 31, 2010 at 2:17 am

    I love you too, Kate! It is always nice to have you to come home to!

  • 175. Anonygrl  |  August 31, 2010 at 2:17 am

    On the up side, I did have a lovely dinner with my boss (she is retiring this month) and so, while apparently it is dangerous to leave you people alone, at least *I* had a good time!


  • 176. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Kate says I have the power (not really)!!

    I don’t think it can be undone by any of us at this point. I’ll try to keep my emphaticisms contained from now on. 🙂

    Thanks for trying to clean up after me, Judy and Ann! Much obliged!


  • 177. Kate  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:03 am

    no, no, Jason — a SENSE of power!

  • 178. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:20 am

    my bad.

  • 179. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:08 am

    sorry, couldn't resist:

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 180. bJason  |  August 30, 2010 at 9:28 am

    He he!

    Oh yeah, and I look like that too.

    well, ok, definitely not the hair… probably the biceps are a BIT exaggerated … and, I think, those abs USED to be mine… and I am more of a boxers guy…. OK, OK the sword thingy – I definitely held one of those once.

  • 181. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  August 30, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    And what have I learned from this thread? First, no matter what the topic of the post, we will meander off in other directions. We believe in the first amendment to the point that even those we truly despise have the right to free speech as long as it is within the confines of the law. Third, I've learned about the matilija poppy. Fourth, it is possible to attempt to Italicize something and do it wrong and the rest of the posts are italicized. And finally, well, I didn't just learn this, it was re-emphasized that even when we disagree we are nice to people.

    Love this family.

  • 182. Kate  |  August 31, 2010 at 12:48 am

    And Anonygrl has learned not to leave us at our keyboards while she is away……

  • 183. Anonygrl  |  August 31, 2010 at 2:20 am

    True… I learned about that poppy too… very pretty! Sad that it doesn't grow everywhere!

  • 184. AndrewPDX  |  August 31, 2010 at 6:45 am

    And we love you too Sheryl! Your insights and wisdom are very well appreciated. Thanks for being here for us!

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 185. carpoolcookie  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Are we still trapped in Italics Land?

  • 186. Dpeck  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    No it should be corrrected by n – DOH!

  • 187. Dpeck  |  August 30, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Just think of it as implying that we’re all speaking with fabulous exotic accents.

  • 188. Straight Grandmother  |  August 31, 2010 at 12:09 am

    LOL I love to wake up in the morning and do a quick run through of P8TT while I drink my tea, and get my day started with a laugh or two.

  • 189. Franck  |  August 30, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Hi Maggie, hi BB, hi everyone at NOM I've just learnt your friends right there are getting busy doing what you said doesn't exist. Ain't it nice of them.

    – Franck P. Rabeson
    Days spent apart from my fiancé because of DOMA: 1166 days, as of today.

  • 190. AndrewPDX  |  August 30, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    <cite>Ebrahim Hamidi… was sentenced to death… on the basis of "judge's knowledge", a legal loophole that allows for subjective judicial rulings where there is no conclusive evidence.</cite>

    Wow, talk about activist judges! I'm so glad we have our judicial system here in the US where we have this concept called "evidence"… you know, the stuff that ProtectMawwaige's lawyers said they didn't need. Apparently Cooper thought he was arguing his point in Iran instead.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 191. Straight Dave  |  August 30, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    another hopeless attempt

  • 192. Sagesse  |  August 31, 2010 at 3:21 am

    Additional commentary on Republicans shifting on the marriage equality issue. This is the first time I've seen the 'invitation' to the AFER event blown up large enough to read. There are some big names here.

    Steve Schmidt, Former McCain Campaign Chief, On Mehlman Fundraiser: Same-Sex Marriage Becoming Conservative Cause

  • 193. Kathleen  |  August 31, 2010 at 4:14 am

    Interesting. I see Christie Todd Whitman on the list of sponsors. Has she always been a vocal ally? I don't recall hearing that before.

    Frankly, I think this great. Ultimately, to swing public opinion in the direction of full equality for glbt people it will require not only straight allies to come on board, but people from across the spectrum of political beliefs. When Prop 8 was on the ballot, I didn't care if it was Dems or Repubs voting against it, I just wanted the votes to defeat it.

  • 194. Phil L  |  August 31, 2010 at 4:14 am

    That reminds me of the animation style used in "Rick and Steve" on Logo.

    Is there going to be an animation festival of sorts (or at least a "film" festival that doesn't necessarily require animation)? I wouldn't mind submitting something if I can get it together. I've got something in mind but haven't decided whether to go with hand drawn animation or live action.

  • 195. Sheryl, Mormon Mother of a wonderful son who just happens to be gay  |  August 31, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Thanks to Kathleen, Maggie Gallagher Meets St. Peter is now on my facebook page.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

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