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TheCall, NOM’s Maggie Gallagher and Bishop Harry Jackson team up to promote 40-day fast against marriage equality

NOM Exposed Right-wing TheCall

By Eden James

On Monday, Jeremy Hooper posted these two videos from Sunday’s “Pray & Act” webcast on God TV, supported by TheCall. The comments made by Gallagher and Jackson are what you might expect from them but what I found even more interesting is the creative camerawork used to obscure another apparent #turnoutFAIL:

Merriam-Webster should use those videos to define what a “smattering” of applause means.

But don’t make the mistake of underestimating the religious right. After TheCall Sacramento, this event was the second of four events scheduled during this 40-day fast against marriage equality, with the final event happening on the Lincoln Memorial steps on Sunday, October 30, less than 48 hours before the November 2 mid-term elections across the country.

The “Pray & Act” web site might refer only indirectly to the election, but it’s crystal clear what the religious right is up to over the next seven weeks. Especially when that web site includes a video of Newt Gingrich, leader of the 1994 “Republican Revolution” takeover of the House and a paragon of hypocrisy on marriage, on its front page.

Here’s a rundown of what they’re saying and who is behind it:

For these reasons, we call on all faithful Christians to join us in the fight to defend life, protect and revitalize marriage, and preserve religious liberty and the rights of conscience. We must work tireless in all the “seven spheres of cultural influence:” (1) the home, (2) the church, (3) civil government / law / military, (4) business / technology, (5) education, (6) media, and finally (7) arts / entertainment / professional sports.


Accordingly, we are calling for the first of a series of national 40-day fasts, built on Joel 2 (righteousness) and Isaiah 58 (authentic biblical compassion). The first fast will begin at 7:14 am (based on 2 Chronicles 7:14) Eastern time, on Sept 20 and end at 7:14 am, Oct. 30, 2010. Although many will follow only a liquid diet, persons can fast as God directs them during this 40-day span.


· Being consistent by voting in all elections only for candidates who affirm the sanctity of life in all stages and conditions, the integrity of marriage as the union of one man and one woman, and religious liberty and respect for conscience.


1. National Preparation for Pray & Act – SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 4 – SACRAMENTO, CA, the CA Capitol Building – Webcast on from 9am to 9pm Pacific time. (Come if you can.)

2. Seven Day Countdown Event – SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 12 – WASHINGTON, DC, Greater New Hope Baptist Church, 816 Eighth St. NW, Washington, DC – Webcast from – 8pm Eastern, 7pm Central, 6pm Mountain, 5pm Pacific. (Come if you can.)

3. Official Launch Event – SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 19 – WASHINGTON, DC – Webcast from – 8pm Eastern, 7pm Central, 6pm Mountain, 5pm Pacific

4. Close Out Event – SATURDAY, OCT 30 – WASHINGTON, DC –Steps of the Lincoln Memorial – Webcast from at 6pm Eastern, 5pm Central, 4 Mountain, 3pm Pacific.


Jim Garlow, Skyline Church & Renewing American Leadership
Chuck Colson, Founder Prison Fellowship & BreakPoint
Che Ahn, Harvest International Ministry
Vonette Bright, Co-Founder, Campus Crusade for Christ, International
Bishop Keith Butler, Founding Pastor, Word of Faith International Christian Center
Jim Daly, President & CEO, Focus on the Family
Lou Engle, TheCall to Conscience, TheCall
Father Joseph Fessio, Editor in Chief, Ignatius Press, San Francisco
Maggie Gallagher, National Organization for Marriage
Professor Robert George, Princeton University
Professor Timothy George, Dean, Beeson Divinity School
Jack Hayford, Founder and Chancellor, The King’s College and Seminary
Mike Huckabee, Former Governor of Arkansas & Host, The Mike Huckabee Show
Bishop Harry Jackson, Jr., High Impact Church Coalition
Cindy Jacobs, Generals of Intercession
Alveda King, Silent No More Awareness Campaign
Richard Land, The Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission
Ron Luce, Founder, Teen Mania & Battle Cry
Bishop Richard Malone, Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland (Maine)
Eva Muntean & Dolores Meehan, Co-Founders, West Coast Walk for Life, San Francisco
Penny Nance, Concerned Women for America
Tony Perkins, Family Research Council
James Robison, Life Outreach, International
Samuel Rodriguez, National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference
Alan Sears, Alliance Defense Fund
Chuck Stetson, Let’s Strengthen Marriage Campaign
Steve Strang, Publisher, Charisma Magazine
Tim Wildmon, American Family Association

There are a lot of familiar names there, of course. It’s a who’s who of the religious right — the same people who mobilized their movement to help pass Prop 8 in 2008. If you want to share information in the comments on what you know about some of the leaders and organizations mentioned above, go for it.


  • 1. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:52 am

    Hi everyone. I have been on vacation and a little hiatus from much of the internets for the last couple weeks. I have a story to tell you later about my trip back home. Some parts are facepalm worthy. For now, back to work.

  • 2. Sagesse  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:55 am

    Yes, back to work. Scribin' to read later.

  • 3. Straight Grandmother  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:12 am

    Can't wait, with a teaser like that hope you are back here to give us the report, sooner rather than later.

  • 4. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:11 am

    I posted it below. It's not the best writing, but it's the best I can do in a short lunch break.

  • 5. Ann S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:27 am

    Welcome back from your hiatus! I'm back to work, too.

  • 6. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:54 am

    persons can fast as God directs them during this 40-day span.

    I'll make mine chocolate elcairs.

  • 7. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:54 am

    whoops — eclairs

  • 8. Straight Grandmother  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:14 am

    ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • 9. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Chocolate filled chocolate eclairs with chocolate topping, washed down with a very generous serving of chocolate milk!

  • 10. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:20 am

    MILK, Richard!

  • 11. BK  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:21 am

    Is there a dark-skinned version of Mr. Milk? That would be funny. Vanilla or chocolate; have it your way. 🙂

  • 12. Rebecca  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:41 am

    Yeah, kinda like how everyone at "The Call Sacramento" was encouraged to fast, then you see the event workers chowing down on pizza.

  • 13. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:32 am

    That is the famous "Pizza Fast," didn't you know???


  • 14. icapricorn  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Two concepts that don't go together: "Maggie Gallagher" and a "40-day fast."

  • 15. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:57 am

    Also this:

    Although many will follow only a liquid diet, persons can fast as God directs them during this 40-day span.

    Who the hell is going to survive only on liquids (and maybe even that term is ambiguous)?! They provide the out right there for anyone who is "fasting," but they are doing it the way god told them to, however contradictory that method is to the next person.

  • 16. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:13 am

    After a forced liquid diet for 6 mos last year, I can tell ya, it's possible, but wrecks havoc on you system.

    Given what we've been getting from these folks, the "byproducts" from a liquid diet and what they're spewing amount to about the same thing.

  • 17. ceevee  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:04 am

    Why is it that they can FAST in the way that God directs them, but I can't be GAY in the way that God directs me. Sounds simple enough.

  • 18. Bob  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:46 am

    hope they get some insight into that notion of fasting, while doing it, so that they could broaden the liberties applied, alllowing each to do it in their own fashion according to their interpretations of revelations from God,

    then apply that to their lives and other peoples more generally, allowing us each to define our own way in which we FAST, or live our lives,

    Just use that concept of acceptance, not everyone FASTS the same way but each is valued the same. Hope that notion comes to them in preparing themselves for spiritual insights.

  • 19. Mark  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:59 am

    It wouldn't hurt Maggie to fast for 40 days. Maybe some duct tape over her mouth would help.

  • 20. Evan  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:01 am

    My thought exactly…. and same goes for the "Bishop." Both could stand to lose 40 lbs…

    Then again, when I'm hungry I get really b!tchy. If that's the case with them, we could see some mean crap coming from them!!

  • 21. BK  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:22 am

    Not trying to be rude, but Maggie could lose double the Rev… 🙂

  • 22. nightshayde  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:57 am

    Does that mean they've been nice so far? o.O

  • 23. Joe  |  September 17, 2010 at 2:49 am

    I've seen more Chins in Chinatown!

  • 24. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:02 am

    If that fat cow of a woman Maggie can fast more than 40 hours let alone 40 days I will be ever so impressed.
    Fucking bitch!

  • 25. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Don't forget, Mark, that their god is telling each individual how to fast. He's probably telling Maggie to leave out, oh say, okra from her meals.

  • 26. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:06 am

    Mags: "God has told me to fast on ham shanks and cream puffs.:

  • 27. Ronnie  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:07 am

    ROFL…..cream puffs….<3…Ronnie

  • 28. nightshayde  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:59 am

    Wow. Mags and I might have something in common. I make it a practice never to include okra in my diet.


    I bit into a piece once, thinking it was a miniature zucchini. That was a very unpleasant surprise.

  • 29. Mouse  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:02 am

    I thought Maggie's natural diet consisted only of krill.

  • 30. nightshayde  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:04 am


  • 31. Felyx 4 Kevyn  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Maggie you rotund witch!!! LEAVE MY KiRILL ALONE!!!


  • 32. BradK  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:24 am

    And apparently Mag's gets a free pass from the Big Guy on the Gluttony sin thing.

  • 33. Ronnie  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:03 am

    Ah….NOM & their deleterious practice of the repugnant art form constructed by the Nazi propaganda machine…Maggie is an ugly inside & out pig…oink oink b!t I …..Ronnie

  • 34. Ronnie  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:06 am

    hmmm the whole thing didn't post…..reposting:

    Ah….NOM & their deleterious practice of the repugnant art form constructed by the Nazi propaganda machine…Maggie is an ugly inside & out autocratic pig…oink oink b!tch & Harry in a CINO who needs to STFU, MHOFB, & stop imposing his Fascist religion on the rest of us… > I ..Ronnie

  • 35. BK  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:04 am


    I can't help but smile. They're still trying.


  • 36. BK  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:08 am

    But it's so sad in actuality… I don't think they're CINOs, personally, more like McChristians. (Misguided and Confused Christians)


  • 37. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:12 am

    I like it!

  • 38. BK  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:23 am

    Thanks, Mark. 🙂

  • 39. Chris in Lathrop  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:31 am

    OK… terms to use: MILK; DISCRIMINATION; Brian 'the Bigot' Brown; MCChristian instead of CINO; DISCRIMINATION.

    How many did I miss? Fill in my blanks, friends! 🙂

  • 40. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:06 am

    I like McChristians – gives the impression (i think) you want: followers who don't really understand the religion they say they are but instead just listen to and act like the crazy fringe…

  • 41. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:11 am

    Drive-through Jesus!

    Yea…uhhh…I'd like…um…three Hail Mary combos….those come with holy water?…can I substitute wine?…and and two Sunday School Specials for the kids…one with the toy cross for small children…

    That'll be $8.95 and your soul, sir….please pull around…

  • 42. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:23 am

    @ Chris: Don't forget H8teros 🙂

  • 43. Lightning Baltimore  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:07 am


    Maybe if they all fast religiously (ha!) enough, they'll be too weak, if not dead, to vote.

  • 44. eDee  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Christian fasting is like Ramadan, where you can eat when the sun goes down.
    In the churches where I grew up you're not allowed to eat or drink at all! It's like a hunger strike.
    Let them fast, it will make them to weak to fight!

  • 45. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:08 am

    They will do ANYTHING to erase the wall of separation of church and state, won't they?

  • 46. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:10 am

    A religious fast was a way of attaining spiritual enlightenment ( hallucinations caused by hunger most times I'd guess)….so I hope God does enlighten these CINOs, right upside the head and HARD!
    The hand of God can be rather painful 🙂

  • 47. Bennett  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:13 am

    Oh please. Just like everythink else, spread the misery around. In this case, if mamma's on a diet, nobody gets any pie. Just go on a diet magda, no need for the voo doo dance.

  • 48. Shrpblnd  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:15 am

    A religous fast is often a joke. I remember many years ago, I had friends that were in a fairly fundamentalist church. The Pastor General used to claim that contributions were done and he as going to go fast in the desert until God provided.

    YEARS later, it turns out that really meant he went to his favorite hotel resort in Palm Springs, drinking ice tea and eating various finger type snacks and fruit for the weekend. As long as he didn't "sit down for a meal" he considered it fasting.

    And of course, the money always rolled in for the sheeple in his congregation.

    If Slaggie Gilamonster has ever missed a mean in her LIFE, I would be shocked.

  • 49. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:16 am

    Be nice to gilamonsters. They are lovely animals and not at all like Maggie.


  • 50. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:17 am

    Typical. I've know a lot of "xtians" who only followed it if wasn't too inconvienent. Once it was, then they just decided not to bother.

  • 51. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:11 am

    Yup. They were suddenly "called" to eat.

    These were the same McChristians who would bother me (to put it very nicely) for not "fasting" for medical reasons. "Oh, God will make possible for you to not eat for hours and hours despite what your doctor told you!" Yea…no.

    I liked what my Mom did. She would just go somewhere special to her and private – either outside or in a room somewhere – and just read, pray, and write for 8-10 hours without food. She didn't make a big production out of it, just would tell someone if they asked.

  • 52. Shrpblnd  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:34 am

    Sorry for all the typos above. I'm on my netbook and they keys are really small. Contributions were DOWN, and we all know Slaggie has never missed a MEAL.

    Also, it goes without saying that the church paid for the hotel and all the food he ordered during his "fast."

  • 53. Don in Texas  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:22 am

    Palm Springs? Bet he feasted on a few Twinkies.

  • 54. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:14 am

    Palm Springs is quite a gay town. Wonder why he went there…

  • 55. Joel  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:33 am

    Palm Springs is very accommodating for "guests" who need their "luggage" toted.

  • 56. Linda  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:25 am

    Fasting can be so individualized it has become meaningless. Fasting can mean going without all foods, going without solids, going without some foods (meats, dairy products), skipping one meal a day, or probably the most common one–telling everyone your fasting…and then eating whatever you want. 🙂

    But the gullible masses assume their sanctified leaders are fasting in the strictest terms–going without food, period. So they then feel guilty for not having that same willpower; so they give money to ease their conscience.

    And that's the ultimate goal, isn't it?

  • 57. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:30 am

    You nailed it, Linda. Spot on.

  • 58. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:30 am

    Of course, because with out the money rolling in, they wouldn't have jobs.

    Can you Imagine Mags trying to get a job after all this blows over and equality is the law of the land?

    Intervieweer: "So, what was your last job?"

    Mags: "Spreading intolerance and hatred, then bilking the elderly and poor out of money so I could maintain a lavish lifestyle."

    I: "We'll get back to you" (while putting Mag's resume in the 'round file')

  • 59. Dee  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:39 am

    "or probably the most common one–telling everyone your fasting…and then eating whatever you want. :)"

    that made my day lol!!!

  • 60. BradK  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:33 am

    "…The first fast will begin at 7:14 am (based on 2 Chronicles 7:14) Eastern time, on Sept 20…"

    So the sheep faithful on the East Coast have time to sneak in a bagel and coffee in the morning before beginning their fast. What about California's flock, who apparently are scheduled to being their self-flagellation observance in the middle of the night?

    And where exactly in the Bible does it mention Time Zones? Did Jesus observe Daylight Savings Time?

  • 61. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:37 am

    And what if some of their clocks are off just a bit? What happens if they start at some other bible passage because of that?

  • 62. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:40 am

    Maybe they should have started it at 11:35 (as in John 11:35).

    "Jesus wept."

  • 63. fiona64  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Or maybe 6:06 (as in Matt 6:6):

    But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

    So far as I can tell, Yahweh is not impressed by those making a big show of their piety.


  • 64. Ronnie  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:04 am

    Bwaaaa…it's funny because the America CINO's are arrogant pigs who are under the impression that America is "God's country" & he will only bring down his wrath on the entire world when America legalizes Marriage Equality across the board…you know because a land that use to be 100% Pagan until 1492 & didn't become a nationally recognized country until 1776 is the cradle of civilization…let me guess….The Garden of Eden is what is now called Central Park in NYC…..& Noah's Great Flood started at Lake Superior…rofl…..<3….Ronnie

  • 65. Straight Grandmother  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:35 am

    So so busy, watched the videos and don't have time to really process and comment. My first reaction was there were at the MOST 50 people there. They goin down…down…down… Nobody shows up for thier little hate sermons and parties.

    THAT is why it is so important to them to rope in all these pastors who can preach hatred of GLBT's from their pulpits. When they say, "oh speak to them with love in yoru voice" I rufute that that is nothing more than condescending patronizing rhetoric. Ass holes, I got news for YOU, my children are GOOD AS YOU!!! I reject your patronizing rhetoric.
    Brian S Brown of the National Organization For Marriage is a Bigot and a Hater
    Brian Brown from the National Organization for Marriage is a Bigot and a Hater.

    Maggie Gallagher from the National Organization for Marraige is a Bigot and a Hater.

    Both my children are married to a person of their same sex and lead fantastic productive lives. Hey you don't have to be Hetro to be ok, duh!!!

    p.s. Maggie needs a new haircut, the style she has is not flattering.

  • 66. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:37 am

    For that matter, how about a whole makeover? Some of those wardrobe decisions are just TRAGIC!

  • 67. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:39 am

    She could definitely use a few fashion-conscious gay men as friends…….

  • 68. draNgNon  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:08 am

    well… some of the wardrobe decisions flow from the availability of clothing for a woman her size. to fix it, instead of taking on the fashion and clothing industry for failing to provide flattering clothes for non-model-figured women, which IMO would be a worthy cause, instead they impose this fast on the hapless.

  • 69. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:11 am

    And now we know the REAL reson for the fast….

    Mags would like more flattering dresses, and needs to drop a few pounds. What better buddy system for dieting than a national fast?

  • 70. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:21 am


    I agree with you! Slightly OT: I was watching Leno and he had a beautiful and thin actress on – Carey Mulligan – and she said that for the cover of Vogue they had to sort of do a hatchet job because the dress was too small! I can't figure out how to embed pictures but it shouldn't be hard to Google image search. She's at MOST a size six US and was made to feel fat! Fortunately, she seemed to find it amusing rather than hurtful.

    Also, I am getting kind of tired of the attacks on Maggie's appearance. She'd be just as vile if she looked like the most beautiful model in the universe.

    Conversely, there are truly beautiful people who don't fit into US society's standards of attractive.

  • 71. Shrpblnd  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:39 am

    Not to be too stereotypical, but clearly she needs a good gay beauty and fashion consultant, and obviously no one would take her as client.

  • 72. Linda  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:50 am

    Trust me, looking dowdy is part of the strategy. Both Brian and Maggie work hard at looking like poor middle class folk. It just wouldn't do for them to be well-dressed or well-groomed. It would give the appearance that they're actually raking in the dough.

    As for the elections–really, it would be to their benefit to win *some* elections, but not all. They need to be validated, but they still need a job to do.

  • 73. Straight Grandmother  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:41 am

    Linda, this fast thang, reminds me of that article you wrote on how the fundamentalists mainuplate the fawning flock, first making you feel guilty for sins YOU never committed, IOW they make the plebs take on this sin of the world on thier own shoulders, and then they jsut continue to manipulte them. This fast thang reminds me so much of that article you wrote.

  • 74. Rev. Will Fisher  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:41 am

    Did I hear the Bishop correctly: not only are gays to blame for all that ails the black family (and white, Latino, etc. families as well), but everytime Steadman cheats on Oprah is the lgbt community's fault as well. Wow.

  • 75. Andrew_WA  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:53 am

    You know it is all about the "O"…..

    "Ooooohhhh sweet mystery of life at last I've found you….."

  • 76. AndrewPDX  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:03 am

    Maybe not quite safe for work if you are paying attention to what's going on, but I'm a big fan of Young Frankenstein and can't resist 🙂

    [youtube =]

    Liberty, Equality Fraternity

  • 77. Sagesse  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:36 am

    We're channeling Nelson Eddy now? Is anyone here old enough to remember that?

  • 78. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:16 am

    <3 Young Frankenstein. My favorite (and the best) Mel Brooks movie. I got to see it at the Castro Theater a couple years ago and Gene Wilder was there to talk after the movie!

  • 79. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:26 am

    AndrewPDX, thank you! I am still laughing! And once again, Madeline Kahn proves she is not only a consummate actress, but also a damn fine singer!
    @Sagesse: Yes, I can remember watching Nelson Eddy and Jeanette McDonald movies. Not in the theatres, but on TV. Let me see if I can find a clip of the Indian Love Call!

  • 80. bJason  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:52 am

    AAHHHH… Madeline Kahn!!! Unstoppable!

  • 81. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:43 am

    A 40 day fast would be downright DANGEROUS for most of their followers, who are elderly and most likely have medical conditions that would be drastically complicated by a fast.

    I do hope that their proclamation encourages anyone who is considering a fast to check wit their doctor first.

    On the other hand, maybe they are hoping that the faithful have already made out their wills in favor of NOM and its sister organizations…

  • 82. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:24 am

    I doubt it. I'm hypoglycemic – not eating at least a snack every few hours makes me nauseated and faint. I was still told that "God would cure that if I followed His will to fast!"

    Yea, I will follow my doctor's advice and not yours (since I doubt it comes from God). Thanks. -______-

  • 83. bob  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:49 am

    Those seven "spheres of cultural influence" are the same ones as Sarah Palin's favorite pastor uses as part of his program to turn the US into a theocracy. Make no mistake about it folks. Whatever they might say to the contrary, the NOM people are intent on turning the US into a theocratic state where anyone who is not a Christian of their preferred flavor is subject to having their rights of citizenship revoked. We should be concerned about these wingnuts.

  • 84. Elizabeth Oakes  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:02 am

    That's right, Bob. These people have been infiltrating these "spheres" for decades in a forethought strategy, and many of their wins are the result of their diligence. The Heritage Foundation (and nowadays, think-tanks that are more extreme) helps these orgs and their candidates get where they want them to be to fulfill their agenda of religious fascism. I have been frustrated for years at the apathy of moderates and the left about this well-documented campaign to take over America…..

  • 85. Ann S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:06 am

    That's right. That's why election boards and school boards and all manner of offices that we used to think of as mundane have been taken over by folks with an agenda to turn this country into a theocracy.

  • 86. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:27 am

    You are right. I was taught the same thing. The movement has a name – Dominionism. Their stated aim is to make the US the "dominion" of God-fearing citizens. by God, they mean THEIR version and they literally mean scared to walk or talk or breathe lest they go to hell.

  • 87. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Rhie, have you ever read Margaret Atwood's book The Handmaid's Tale? What the Dominionists want is described very well in that book. And it is called the Republic of Gilead. Fiona mentioned it and I have been re-reading it, and it is very scary, because it is so like what they want.

  • 88. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:43 am

    I haven't yet, Richard. But it is on my list.

    Oh and I hear you are collecting recipes. I have a ton. Where do you want me to send my favorites?

  • 89. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Rhie, you can click on the link above my post and post a comment on my blog, and I will contact you via my email, or you can pm me on FB.

  • 90. homer  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:56 am

    Maggie Gallagher is a diabetic. I watched her have low blood sugar when she spoke in Tucson and they had to rush and get her some sugar. She will not be fasting.

  • 91. Mouse  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:11 am

    Shocking! Maggie says one thing but lives her life a different way? That would be like someone who failed at marriage campaigning about marriage's "sanctity."

  • 92. Joel  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:36 am

    Are you sure she wasn't just speaking in tongues?

  • 93. Cat  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:56 am

    They are trying every trick in the book, aren't they? Victimizing themselves like this. Look, teh gayz are hurting me: I have to go hungry to protect traditional marriage. We're trying to have an adult conversation here about marriage equality and discrimination based on facts, and our opponents are trying to win the argument by holding their breath until their faces turn red. I thought at least we were dealing with grown-ups? I must have given them too much credit…

  • 94. StevenJ  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:58 am

    God has directed me to eat in support of equality. 🙂

  • 95. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:02 am

    Well, there goes my waistline (and girlish figure). :>

  • 96. nightshayde  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:03 am

    That reminds me — gotta go make my maple/brown sugar oatmeal and my coffee.

  • 97. BK  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Huh. I guess it's the same at my house… I just had a snack just a few moments ago. 🙂

  • 98. Mouse  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:12 am

    Bears, bears, bears!

  • 99. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:58 am

    Love the bears!

  • 100. Straight Grandmother  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:43 am

    I made home made gnocci tonight, have a couple tradsmen friends who are helping us with a project. Hey when people are helsping you gotta feed them well. I offer that I ate to FULL measure tonight FOR teh gayz 🙂

  • 101. Joel  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:45 am

    OMG! I made baked shrimp with tomatillos and feta cheese last night, and ate it with some penne; I was thinking how GOOD it would be with gnocchi, but didn't have the patience!

    2 tblspns vegetable oil
    1 lb shrimp, peeled and deveined
    1 lb tomatillos, chopped in largish pieces
    2 serrano or jalapeno peppers, seeds and pith removed, finely chopped
    3 cloves of garlic, thinly sliced
    1/2 cup clam juice (or 1/4 cup clam juice and 1/4 cup tequila)
    1 cup feta cheese, crumbled
    Handful of cilantro, chopped
    Juice from 1/2 lime, or to taste
    Salt, pepper to taste

    Preheat oven to 425. In a large, ovenproof skillet, heat oil over med high heat. Add onions and chiles and saute until onions brown slightly, about 10 minutes. Add the sliced garlic and saute for 1 minute longer. Add the tomatillos, reduce the heat to medium and sprinkle generously with salt, stir and allow to cook until the tomatillos are softened, but not mush. Add the clam juice, stir, and continue cooking until liquid is reduced by half. Remove the skillet from the heat, stir in the shrimp and feta, and place in the preheated oven for 10 to 15 minutes, until shrimp is cooked through. Serve over SG's homemade gnocchi. Serves four.

  • 102. Joel  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:59 am

    Oh, sprinkle the cilantro and lime juice on before serving…

  • 103. Elizabeth Oakes  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:17 am

    Hey all, Richard's putting together a P8TT Cook Book, so send all your most tempting anti-fasting recipes to him!! He needs more contributors!!

  • 104. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Elizabeth – where should I send the recipes? I have a ton. What does he need? I have all kinds of recipes – quick, slow, easy, complicated, desserts, breakfast, dinner, snacks, appetizers….

  • 105. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:49 am

    For those who are interested in submitting recipes for the P8TT Family Cookbook, click on my name in any of my posts, and comment on my blog. Do not put your recipes there, just comment so that I will have your email without it being posted where everyone can see it. This will allow me a safe way to contact you and give you my real email so you can send your recipes. Any and all types of recipes are welcomed and encouraged. This way, we can get this together, and this will give us a way to help raise money for Courage Campaign, AFER and any other projects the P8TT family decide to take on. And if there are enough recipes, we can always do more than one cookbook.

  • 106. mackenzie  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Well if u can fast as god directs me….i feel like he is directing me to eat when ever i want. You can't call for a symbolic fast and then be like well you can eat as God inspires you. Just my unprofessional opinion.

  • 107. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:16 am

    They've worded it well. A "symbolic fast" simply means a pretend fast. A fantasy fast!

  • 108. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:18 am

    Everyone show up for the fast today at Hometown Buffet!

  • 109. Ronnie  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:23 am

    Ooooo…let's start a Fantasy Fasting League….Maggie passes gains more weight while her sheeple wind up in the hospital…odds are 2 to 1…..<3..Ronnie

  • 110. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:27 am

    Or Maggie checks herself into a hospital around day 22 and has herself hooked up to all kinds of media-visible tubes to "save her life" while preaching to the mindless followers to continue their fasts at all cost. Meanwhile, the hospital food continues to arrive at Maggie's bedside and magically disappear. Burp.

  • 111. AndrewPDX  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:13 am

    I think Linda called it spot on above, it's a guilt trip to make money.

    I can just imagine Maggie saying "… and think of all the money you'd be saving not spending it on food! Yes, instead, you can send all that money to NOM!!!!"

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 112. nightshayde  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:25 am

    I think perhaps all the people listed above should go on an air fast — a real one! They can show all their followers how it's done. They can tie plastic bags over their heads and not breathe for … 7 hours and 14 minutes (to stay with their biblical verse).

    If Jesus truly believes in their message, he will resurrect the lot of them. If Jesus, however, really does support marriage equality, he'll let "sleeping" liars lie.

  • 113. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:28 am

    Yes! Heaven's Gate redux!!!!

  • 114. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:32 am


    I'm having visions……"Big Brother: The Fast."

  • 115. Bill  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:32 am

    God knows Maggie could use a 40 day fast…

  • 116. JAG  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:36 am

    I HIGHLY encourage them to FAST! They say doing something longer makes it better! Fast 80 days and pray TWICE as muc. Maybe by then, you will have all starved to death. I've never laughed so hard since watching episodes of Rowan and Martin's "Laugh In."

  • 117. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:45 am

    Lets all help the NOMbies with their fast

  • 118. JAG  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:49 am

    Let them fast. We know what fasts do. And we have the laws of MAN which work better here than their god laws.

  • 119. Linda  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:56 am

    The call will go out to all the ministers, who will then call on their congregations to fast…and yes, donate the money that would have been spent on whatever meal they're fasting. Because no one really fasts completely. The most sacrificial fasting will be one meal a day (which is what my parents always did; they would fast and pray during the time they would normally be eating).

    And there will be a competition among the churches to see who can bring in the most money. It won't be advertised as such, but believe me, that competition will be there! Who's holier? Us or the church down the street?
    Youth groups will have a 'fast in' day, where they go for a few hours, deprive themselves of food, and pray….and then go out for pizza afterward, feeling oh so holy.

    The whole object, of course, is to send in money, and get these folks hyped up just in time to get out and vote.

  • 120. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:05 am

    Nightshadye and I say, "Let them eat okra."

  • 121. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:09 am

    Blech. If given the choice between okra and fasting, *I* would take fasting.

  • 122. nightshayde  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:20 am

    Anom. They can have all the okra. They can also have my share of bell peppers.

    I can haz cheesecake?

  • 123. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:24 am


    I'm with you on the okra and peppers…..and the CHEESCAKE!!!!!

  • 124. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:39 am

    I like bell peppers, but I will share them with the NOMbies if they are hungry.

    The cheesecake we keep for ourselves though.

  • 125. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:04 am

    Wait… so…

    Nutjobs nominate nation to be non-nomming NOMbies till November.

    "Never nosh! Kneel and nod!" note non-significant number of nauseatingly self-righteous* noodlebrains, nutcases and nincompoops. "Next, national neurons will be 'nurtured' to know necessity for no non-reproductive nuptials."

    In not-so-related news, nobody notices. Nice try! Next?

    *New contest – find a word starting with N that means self righetous! Send your submissions to us here at this station. Winner gets a trip to the all you all you can eat buffet! Loser has to watch Maggie eat at the all you can eat buffet. If loser IS Maggie, all offers are null and void.

  • 126. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:20 am

    AHHH The alliteration. It burns!

  • 127. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Could always use narrow or narrow-minded, or a certain definition of nice (as in too nice to pick up the trash himself).

    thesaurus is an awesome resource 🙂

  • 128. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:55 am


    Yes, Rhie, you win! Thanks! I was IN the thesaurus, and didn't come across that one. I did think of nice, but figured it was a bit too obscure, so I skipped it.

  • 129. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:10 am


  • 130. Straight Grandmother  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:51 am

    HA! And gallons and gallons of MILK! They will never get the irony but we will 🙂

  • 131. Chris in Lathrop  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:37 am

    Sure they will! Louis (Hi, Louis!) will have already told them all about MILK. >:)

  • 132. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:46 am

    I dunno. I would bet that Louis (Hi Louis!) didn't understand the MILK reference. Just a hunch…

  • 133. Seraphiel  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:10 am

    Those who are truly righteous and strong in their faith will abstain from eating or drinking entirely for 40 days and rely on God alone to sustain them.

  • 134. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:11 am


    Ok… I am calm now… I will stop yelling. Sorry for the momentary outburst.

  • 135. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:12 am

    OK, so I had an idea…

    How about a "Feed the Fast" food drive, to protest this insanity? For the 40 days of the fast, each of us donates one can/box of food per day in support of equaltiy to a local food pantry or soup kitchen for the needy.

  • 136. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:18 am

    I like it! I would suggest also saying "Either donate 40 cans of food, or $40 to your nearest food bank" (might be easier for some to do) and make it clear that while it comes from people who support marriage equality, our point here is that we are all just people who ought to be taking care of each other.

  • 137. fiona64  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:18 am

    What an outstanding idea.


  • 138. ceevee  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:25 am

    BRILLIANT…How do we get some publicity for this idea so that there's some real impact? If all of the big blogs put it out there, this could be huge…

  • 139. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:49 am

    Two words: Twitter. Facebook. They are so under-valued for advertising ideas like this, but they are like word of mouth only global. and everyone knows word of mouth is the best and fastest way to advertise. 🙂

    Let me know when you get this finalized: I'll post a facebook notice and a twitter notice and a blog post. I have 30 followers on twitter, 50 on facebook and 60 on the blog. Just one sort-of popular person gets 140 people who all have at least that many followers….

  • 140. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Done and done. Good ideas Rhie, thanks!

  • 141. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:28 am

    And Rhie, go to the Prop 8 Trial Trackers group on FB and friend me. When you get the FB page set up, not only will I share it on my page, but will also add it to the favorite pages for the Equality Rides and share it that way also!

  • 142. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:48 am

    For some reason I can't find the pp8TT facebook page. I just get all the nom-like pages. Argh search-fu fails yet again.

    Anonygirl. Do you want me to make the Facebook page? I don't mind at all – it would be an honor to be involved with this in any way – I just don't want to two conflicting pages heh.

    I am also going to make a livejournal group for this – that's my main hangout and I am sure I can get some people excited for it.

  • 143. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:54 am!/group.php?gid=43024709

    Prop 8 Trial Trackers on Facebook

  • 144. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 10:19 am


    Where are you in south Puget Sound?

  • 145. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Kate —

    I'm on Bainbridge Island.

  • 146. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:27 am


    I'll take that amendment…

    How about "Give what you can, as you can, for equality." If it's easier to donate your time than your money or food, then that works too.

  • 147. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:34 am

    I LOVE it. I will HAPPILY work on putting together a web page with info, if you like, so we can see about publicizing it?

  • 148. Ann S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:39 am

    I like it. A lot.

  • 149. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:42 am

    Groovy. Get something basic, and I'll check it out. I'm a techie myself, so can put in some work on it too. Who knows, might also get me a job ("economized" 1 1/2 yrs ago). :>

    If we have any PR or marketing experts out there, we could use your help in this: getting the message across, contacting donation sights, etc.

    YEA!!! A PROJECT!!!

  • 150. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:47 am

    Do you have a handle on a place that might host for free? Or can you research one (I am at work, can't do much but quick posts here during the day)?

  • 151. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:49 am

    I'll see what I can find. Wasn't my area of expertise, so any input from anyone would be much appreciated.

  • 152. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Anonygirl: Use twitter and Facebook – it's like word of mouth (always the best and fastest advertising) only much faster and more efficient.

  • 153. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:59 am

    If I can suggest something…

    Maybe give out a list of local food banks and charities around the country. Tell people to donate money or time or food there, and tell the worker it is for this event. Of course, let the workers know beforehand so they understand what we are on about. Then, the workers at those places can tell a P8TT volunteer how many Food for Equality donations they have had that day.

    I can spend time looking up various places online, and making sure they aren't fronts for organizations like NOM. Unfortunately, a lot of them are and I personally think it si a good thing to let people know just in case they don't want to donate to a religious group.

    I can also keep track of the list and call the places in my area (seattle/south puget sound) to see if they want to participate.

  • 154. Dave P.  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:25 am

    Here's a natural choice for where to donate the food –

    Project Open Hand:

  • 155. Hank (NYC)  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:33 am

    I like that idea as well… we can show how giving we are.

    If they were true xtians – then they would not only fast – but would donate their uneaten food to the needy.

  • 156. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:38 am

    ceevee (and everyone):

    I've had another idea on the publicity side, but thought it too silly before now…

    Karaoke for Equality! A night of love songs sung by (slightly inebriated) equality supporters. Bring your earplugs and come on down!

    If held in a park with some good loudspeakers, would be sure to grab attention.

  • 157. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:41 am

    VERY funny! If I lived anywhere near you (I am in Albany, NY) I would be right there stage managing (it is what I do) the event for you!

  • 158. Heather Sheridan  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:20 pm


    You are in Albany? I live in Syracuse. Howdy neighbor!!

  • 159. anonygrl  |  September 18, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    HI Heather! Missed your post the other day, but HELLO!


  • 160. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:28 am

    We will do what the McChristians won't we will help feed the hungry and the poor as Christ commanded

  • 161. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:45 am

    I'll do it. I go get a box right now! Where shall I send it?

  • 162. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Your nearest food pantry, shelter or whoever in your neck of the woods takes such donations. What we are looking at is being a sort of prod to get people to donate to whoever they can in their own locations.

  • 163. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:01 am

    I thought so. See my post above about getting names of places together for people, etc.

  • 164. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Or, instead of telling the volunteers of places and having them report back, perhaps we could have a post here that stays front page for a while where people can say what they donated and where. If they don't want their names known, they can e-mail the people who run the site, and they can report x amount of anonymous donations.

  • 165. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Or if not annonymous how about in the name of someone who has died, been murdered, or committed suicide because of hatred by these CINO types

  • 166. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:41 am

    I love that. Donations in memorium. It makes the threat real.

  • 167. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:21 am

    OT post, but related to one last week (I think). As I said then, I lived through a lot of this myself, and this is a topic that REALLY hits home.

    Indiana kid bullied to death

  • 168. Chris in Lathrop  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:50 am

    I love that the author mentions that the names change, but the story stays the same. I first ran into the "story" in 2001 when Tempest Smith, a 12-year-old who was bullied, among other things, for her interest in Wicca.

    Same story, different name. 🙁

  • 169. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Stories like this make me speechless with rage and sadness – and even pity for the bullies. Poor child, poor family.

  • 170. Chris in Lathrop  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Smallness of mind is always to be pitied, I think.

  • 171. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:14 am

    I'm so glad that I was to stupid to figure out how to do it right the two times I tried it as a teen. 🙁
    My heart breaks for the family and for the pain and suffering Billy went through.
    Protect the children they say…well what about LGBT children what of them?

  • 172. Lightning Baltimore  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:47 am

    LGBT children are the ones the others need to be protected from!

    I watchec a news clip on it. The principal is lying through his teeth when he says they were unaware. Two quotes:

    "He was one that, you know, people found out who he was."

    "Sometimes he created an atmosphere around him kinda like a . . . uh . . . a little tornado, you know, because he went around doing things that, you know, made . . . made . . . made dust fly, I guess."

  • 173. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:57 am

    @ LIghtning Baltimore: I guess they see it as "any lie is better than none at all."

  • 174. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:36 am

    And there is a FB memorial page for Billy. I will go into FB and get the link to post here for anyone who is interested. I have been there myself. Twelve attempts, and Baruch HaShem, none of them successful.

  • 175. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Big hugs Richard 🙂

  • 176. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Thanks, Mark. Actually, I think that is why I am able to reach the at-risk kids and help them more than some people can. You know how it is, we will listen to someone who has been there, done that, before we will somebody who obviously doesn't understand. makes it easier to build a bond that empowers the kids to reach for their highest potential rather than throwing it all away. Especially when we let them know that they have someone they can talk to without fear.

  • 177. Bennett  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:24 am

    I involuntarily went on a fast of more than two weeks. He wasn't my best friend. He was impossible to get along with. He was narsisistic. The relationship was far from perfect. But for what ever reason, I found myself alone because of the relentless pressure of family, church, and society. As they know, love doesnt always win out. Some don't have the strength to overcome them. May they feel some of my pain. May they feel the pain that I endured while unable to eat. May they feel some of the pain that help me to mask the greater pain in my heart.

  • 178. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:52 am

    I just want to hug you, after reading that. I don't know any of the details, obviously, but it sounds like a warm hug might help, so here it is.


  • 179. Sheryl Carver  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:27 am

    I saw the videos appear when I first looked at this post, but didn't have time to watch them. Just went back to view them, but all there is now is white space where they used to be.

    Does anyone know what happened to them? Or is it just my computer?

  • 180. Ronnie  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:33 am

    That's happens to me sometimes….I just restart my computer…that usually works…I can't really tell you what it is…but that works…..<3…Ronnie

  • 181. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:36 am

    I can't watch vids at work, they are blocked, so I get that white space too, and watch them when I get home.

  • 182. TomTallis  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:55 am

    Maggie looks as if she could use a good fast, and from the look on her face, perhaps a high colonic…

  • 183. Andrew_WA  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:00 am

    What StevenJ said – gave me an idea:

    "God has directed me to eat in support of equality. :)"

    Why don't we actually do this? During the time of their fast, have a "Dine Out" week in order to support Equality.

    Local Gay restaurant/businesses could offer dinner specials and part of the proceeds could fund the Equality movements.

    It would not matter whom went to dinner, but the fact that so many LGBT owned business offering discounts during this time would encourage more business.

    If you are on a fast – oh well – too bad, so sad. But at least it would be interesting to see people actually enjoying the discounts and supporting the cause.


    Did someone say there were eclairs around here?

    /looks around in the Trial Tracker kitchen…

  • 184. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:10 am

    Just had to post this again…..

  • 185. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:31 am

    @elliom: That was almost as cold as Ann Coulter is! thanks for another round of laughter.

  • 186. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:34 am

    My pleasure!

  • 187. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:19 am

    I like that too… my brain is in overdrive here, but if this gets combined with elliom's idea, how about a including directory of local, gay-owned restaurants who are also making donations to food banks… AHHH… the logistics of planning all that means needing a full time coordinator, and local volunteers to track down those businesses in their own communities.

    Suddenly this project just exploded into a huge one. We need a strategy session.

  • 188. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:24 am


    It's amazing how these things begin to take on a life of their own.

    It sorta restores one's faith in humanity, and the goodness of people.

  • 189. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:10 am

    I absolutely love the idea of taking one of THEIR big ideas and turning it to OUR purposes…

    Kind of like NOM trying to claim that they are the natural heirs to MLK, or that we are oppressing them.

    But better, because WE wouldn't be lying.

  • 190. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:06 am

    What about including Ally businesses too? I don't mind cold calling every restaurant, including chains, in south puget sound area of washington state and asking if they want to participate by at least having a box for donations.

  • 191. The Mad Sotsman  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:14 am

    Being consistent by voting in all elections only for candidates who affirm the sanctity of life in all stages and conditions

    Does that mean they don't support the death penalty?

    Cheers, Neil.

  • 192. Mouse  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:24 am

    Dear Maggie and other pseudo-religious wack-jobs,

    I would like to offer you a deal. This fasting idea is a bad idea. Done properly, people will be hurt. Some might even die. If done in such a way that this is not the case, then you are doing it wrong and it becomes a meaningless non-gesture. As convenient as it would be for marriage equality for all of you crazy people to accidentally kill yourselves through a stupid fast, I don't actually hate you enough to wish you dead.

    I've got a better idea. Let's make a deal.

    You collect everyone on your side and all at the same time pray to Jesus or Allah or the flying spagetti monster. Do this at 7:14 AM Eastern time on Sept 20th, if you like. Pray all day long for your loving god to rid the world of homosexuality by turning all of us straight. God can do that, right?

    God will hear the voices cry out in unison, and God will answer those prayers.

    Here's where the deal comes in. If, after you all pray to God to make us straight, He makes us straight, we will do away with marriage equality. We will do away with gay rights as the nonsense you have always tried to claim them to be. We'll all be straight, so we'll have no hard feelings. You'll win, and how can you not with the power of an omnipotent god behind you answering the simultaneous prayers of everyone who believes as you do? You've got this culture war practically in the bag already.

    On the other hand, if after all your prayers, God does not make us straight, then you have to be adult enough to accept that sometimes God's answer to prayers is "no." You have to accept that God has told you He made us this way as part of His plan and it is neither your place to understand or change that. If your loving and omnipotent god chooses to keep us gay, then who are you to question His wisdom? You have to find some other cause to devote your lives to and accept God's final word on this one.


  • 193. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:27 am

    I second the motion.

  • 194. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:02 am

    I love it!

  • 195. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:07 am

    Works for me!

  • 196. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Mail it!

  • 197. StraightForEquality  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:38 am

    What does one eat when fasting? Fast food, of course!

  • 198. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Cream Puffs! LOL

  • 199. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Then I'm good — asked my loving BF to get me Taco Bell.

  • 200. MJFargo  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I believe they had a lot of Caesar pizza's sitting around from the last event.

  • 201. Suzanne (not for muc  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:40 am

    Bennett, there's comfort here for your pain.

    I am not giving Maggie my okra. I bake it @ 350 doused in Roasted Garlic EVOO, and sprinkle sea salt, pepper, and nutritional yeast on those delicious little nuggets. I clean out the Farmer's Market sellers regularly when they come with my beloved okra.

  • 202. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:04 am

    Now, if you were to offer to do that with brussel sprouts, I would be RIGHT there with you. In fact, I may do it for myself. You enjoy the okra, I'll enjoy the sprouts, and anyone else can enjoy the veggie of their choice.

    Isn't this a great country?

  • 203. nightshayde  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:18 am

    Broccoli for me, please. =)

  • 204. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:40 am

    And I think I will use not only the brussels sprouts AND the okra, but possibly some corn and green beans.

  • 205. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Hand me the squash and zuchhini!

  • 206. Suzanne  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    The brussel sprouts beg for a traditional balsamic reduction and sea salt.

    It is a great country!

  • 207. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:37 am

    How long do you bake it, Suzanne? We love okra here, and this sounds delicious!

  • 208. Suzanne  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    15-20 minutes, give or take.

  • 209. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 15, 2010 at 3:37 am

    Thanks, Suzanne!

  • 210. PDD  |  September 14, 2010 at 5:45 am

    Such FUGLY people. Please Maggie, go get laid…

  • 211. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:05 am

    Ready for the xtianists' spin?

    While Maldonado could have assured the parties had standing, his failure may not be critical to the issue being heard by the appellate court. According to Eastman, "the massive effort by the citizens of California to persuade the acting governor to file the appeal is one more piece of evidence to be presented in court to show that every effort was made to have the State defend this measure. This will hopefully tilt the Court toward holding that the proponents of the initiative have standing even absent the government defendants."

  • 212. Ann S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:06 am


    (Laughing at them, not you of course)

  • 213. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:07 am

    The proponents have standing because they can be pushy, yet still unsuccessful, in large numbers?

  • 214. Ann S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:12 am

    Or because they never understood civics anyhow??

  • 215. Kate  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:15 am

    Or 'cuz we're all picking on them? Maybe they're issued a "standing handicap," sort of like in golf, since they're so lousy at understanding the law?

  • 216. Chris in Lathrop  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:55 am

    Ah! The Meg Whitman school of governmental processes! And buy is 'mental' ever the right word!

  • 217. Chris in Lathrop  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Oops… meant 'boy', not 'buy'. :

  • 218. Ronnie  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:13 am

    What was that?……..wah wah WAHHHHHHHHHHHH….rofl..<3…Ronnie

  • 219. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:17 am

    *calls for the Wahmmmbulance* (for NOM OMOW not you lol)

  • 220. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:14 am

    The equally massive and MORE SUCCESSFUL effort by equality supporters to get him to NOT file should move the courts to continue doing their job and remember that no matter how many people WANT to oppress a minority, none of them are harmed by the court refusing to let them do so, and thus they have no standing to appeal.

  • 221. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:31 am

    No new 'evidence' is allowed…and that certainly wouldn't qualify as evidence anyway.
    Civics 101 anyone?????

  • 222. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:18 am

    If I am remembering right, their closing argument was basically "It is common sense that allowing gays to marry will hurt society so we don't have to give you evidence", wasn't it?

  • 223. bJason  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Pretty much exactly what I was going to say!


  • 224. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:10 am

    So here is my brief report from my trip back home last week. My mom lives in Richmond, VA, and my extended family on my mom's side lives in northern West Virginia, in and around Morgantown. My husband, Brandon, and I flew back for a big family reunion BBQ.

    The first night back, we had a little BBQ at my mom's house. While Brandon, my brother, his girlfriend, and I were sitting outside, a little girl (never met her before) about 8 to 10 asked my husband if he was married. I guess she saw his ring. When she found out he was married to me, this was her first reaction:



    Her second reaction after asking the "really?" type questions was to run inside. This unsettled me a little the rest of the weekend of possible things to come. The girl was the niece of the ex-wife of my mom's boyfriend.

    The next day we drove up to northern West Virginia (hours 2-7 in the car. Many more car hours to come on our vacation). Brandon and I stayed at my cousin's house. We thought she was the coolest one, but she had a conversation with Brandon later that night that was even more unsettling. It turns out she told her kids that we were roommates. When one of her kids prodded a little further about us sleeping in one bed (there is only one), she said that we since we were roommates, we would be ok with that. She doesn't want to have to explain homosexuality in any sense to her kids even though she has a bunch of gay friends (including their pediatrician). It would have been easy for her to say "Alan and his wife" and she wouldn't have a problem.

    To add insult to injury, she lumped the "gay" talk in with sex/puberty. She doesn't want to have to talk to her kids about any of that stuff (ever it seems). I wasn't outside then, but I heard about it the next day. The way things turned out, we never actually saw her kids while we were staying there. I had the same discussion with her the 2nd night we stayed there (without Brandon), and I was a little more prepared then. I also learned from her that she has asked her gay friends to refrain from any kind of affection around her kids. I tried to let her know that it was unfair to ask that of us, and that I couldn't promise anything like that the next day at the big BBQ where I would see her kids for sure. We were a little drunk at that point, so I didn't want to get too into it. It hurt me to hear that from her, though, thinking she would be one of the most supportive in the family.

    The next day at the BBQ was great, though. There was almost no drama (a major hurdle in my family), and no issues about Brandon or me came up. At the very end of the night, one of my younger cousins realized that he was my cousin (I don't see him often). he asked how I was related to Jon (my brother who he knew better), and then how Brandon fit into the picture, possibly thinking he was a cousin too. My uncle, his dad, came in and told him confidently that he was my husband, and that we were married. I let his dad explain it from there, but it felt so good to have another family member show such unhesitating support. My uncle is very republican, and my extended family is basically all Roman Catholic. Another uncle (who was not there) is gay and has been with his partner/husband for about 20 years now. I certainly got to see a tiny piece of what they've had to go through at family functions. I've yet to talk to my uncles about the trip, but I can identify a little better.

    The rest of the trip had follies not related to LGBT issues, such as having the car break down followed by a 130 mile tow truck ride, and taking 2 1/2 hours to get home from the airport when it should have been much less.

  • 225. Ann S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:14 am

    Hooray for your uncle! sorry for the other drama, though.

  • 226. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:21 am

    It seems almost worth it, sometimes, when that ONE person stands up and says "you are ok" in a crowd that doesn't get you, or is openly hostile. And maybe his kids will be the ones standing up at the next family get together, and other cousins will join them after that.

    I am sorry that you had to deal with people who don't understand, but glad you found some that did… and hope that over all, you felt it was a good trip?

    And we are glad to have you back.

  • 227. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:01 am

    One of my other cousins (there are about 30 now who are just 1st cousins; even more when you go beyond that) had come out to California for a job a few months earlier this year. We got to spend a lot of time together out here. He is definitely among the most supportive group. I get a little chuckle going back, too, because I am positive that at last 1 or 2 of my cousins are gay or bi, but they still live in the area. It's a lot more difficult to come out in that area, but I won't pressure any of them just yet. One of the daughters of the cousin who didn't want to talk to her kids about us being married, well her (gay) pediatrician has apparently put a star on her chart to look out for the possibility of her being gay. Not sure how well that sat with her mom.

  • 228. nightshayde  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:49 am

    A star on her chart? Really? Or is that just a figure of speech with which I'm unfamiliar?

    Wouldn't there be confidentiality issues involved?

  • 229. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Sorry you two had to deal with some of that….but also glad there were bright spots along the way.
    Oh and by the way, did you have a good time?

  • 230. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:56 am

    We did have a good time overall. I got to ride with my sister in the car (she just got her learner's permit a couple weeks before). That was a bit scary, and I only had to grab the wheel once to avoid a ditch.

    My husband, my brother, his girlfriend, and I are addicted to "cornhole" (a beanbag toss game).

    I always enjoy spending time with my mom, and I got to see my "2nd mom" from high school.

    The first football game of the season was at home in Morgantown, so it was a frenzy in the area.

  • 231. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Excellent to hear Alan. I am so pleased there were good times and not just the awkward ones 😉

  • 232. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Lol that's funny about the beanbag game. I made beanbags for a game similar to that my family had at a family reunion :).

  • 233. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:20 am

    I wonder…

    If they are anything like the Religious Right followers I grew up with (and from what I see they are), they are so very sure that their actions will change things. They have a literal belief in the Bible, that if they do the same exact things people then did to fight evil it will work out the same way. Their faith is hinged on this point to the exclusion of anything else.

    So, when marriage equality is law and DADT is repealed and those LGBT types have equal rights, what will happen to their faith?

    I saw many people lose that kind of faith after Clinton was elected, and various other good laws were passed. I wonder if this will have the same effect.

  • 234. Linda  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:30 am

    They have an escape clause. See, their 'loving God' is a gentleman, so he is not going to force anything on anyone who doesn't want it.

    So…..if they pray, and we don't turn straight….well, it's our fault, you see. We have closed our hearts to God, so he can't change us, much as he'd like to. 🙁

    So….I guess the thing they should do is learn from Lot and get their families out of here while they still can! Pack up and move away, folks; this here country is doomed I tell ya, doomed!

    Meanwhile, we'll enjoy the cheesecake….:)

  • 235. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:32 am

    They should take a BIG lesson from their loving God and all be gentlemen and stop trying to force things on us.

    Don't you think?

  • 236. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:23 am

    That's true. Sigh. Not sure whether I am glad or not. I don't want people to lose a helpful faith but I want them to think about for thirty seconds as well.

  • 237. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:24 am

    That's true. Sigh. Not sure whether I am glad or not. I don't want people to lose a helpful faith but I want them to think about for thirty seconds as well.

    And yes I hope they understand that a loving God isn't going to force anything on anyone.

  • 238. bJason  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:22 am

    @ Linda – It sounds very much as if we have frighteningly similar backgrounds and understandings of them!

    There is ALWAYS an "escape clause". That is a huge reason that one cannot have any type of logical discussion with those of this type.

    According to my mother, I am simply too blinded by the devil to realize that my orientation is not an evil choice. But hey, she prays for me so it will all be OK. GOD knows I am not gay.


  • 239. bJason  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:24 am

    @ my last post

    that is "to realize that my orientation IS an evil choice".

    Proofreading, catch the fever! 🙂

  • 240. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Argh the "well GOD knows you are lying!" thing!!! It makes me so mutely angry. My Dad pulls that allll the time. Part of the reason why I don't talk with him. I can only hear "well you know deep down that you are wrong for…" so many times.

  • 241. Alan E.  |  September 14, 2010 at 6:39 am

    Florida Governor Charlie Crist may drop the case against adoptions by gay parents. If you wil recall, AG Bill McCollum had hired George "Rentboy" "Whatever Lifts Your Luggae" Rekers as an expert witness in the case. Crist is running for governor as an independent. McCollum was running in the Republican primary for governor, but he was beat out by a Tea Party guy. A lot of it certainly had to do with this case.

  • 242. Ann S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Of possible interest: Kagan’s recusals — potential barrier to pro-gay rulings.

    At first glance, it might draw a yawn: Elena Kagan, the U.S. Supreme Court’s newest member, has recused herself from some cases that are coming before the court. But have a cup of coffee and ruminate for a few minutes over this list of cases that could very well be before the nation’s highest court within a very few years:

    Perry v. Schwarzenegger, Gill v. Office of Personnel Management, Massachusetts v. Health and Human Services, Log Cabin Republicans v. U.S., and Witt v. U.S.

    If Kagan recuses herself from any of these cases, the probability for a tie is the best the LGBT community can hope for in any of these cases. Rather than pinning hopes on Justice Anthony Kennedy to serve as a swing vote to victory, pro-gay attorneys will be desperate to persuade Kennedy in order to maintain a status quo.

    When there’s a tie in the Supreme Court, the lower court ruling stands but applies only to that federal circuit.

    Kagan said during her confirmation hearing this summer that she would recuse herself from any case in which she “personally reviewed a draft pleading or participated in discussions to formulate the government’s litigating position.”

  • 243. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:06 am

    Barrier, yes…but again, the silver lining (as I see it).

    Consensus seems to be that the only way SCOTUS would accept any of these cases is if we actually win them. If we lose, most likely SCOTUS will decline. Thus, if the cases do go to SCOTUS, and the court even, then we'll likely end up with a "patchwork" of marriage law. Not great, but not a total loss.

  • 244. Ann S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Eventually that patchwork will compel them to take up the issue, but hopefully by then Justice Kagan will no longer need to be recusing herself.

  • 245. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:23 am

    And there's the upside.

    They take each loss as an opportunity to get out their message, why shouldn't we. And since the tide is turning, time is only in our favor.

  • 246. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:27 am

    That sounds like a reasonable position for Kagan to take, honestly. She doesn't want to have even the appearance of having been lobbied or lobbying for anyone.

    I know people are concerned about her but remember…Walker wasn't confirmed the first time and faced opposition the second time from Democrats who thought he wouldn't protect the rights of women and LGBT.

  • 247. bJason  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:30 am

    And, I'm not convinced that Scalia won't side with us. Can't remember now which opinion of his makes me think that but if someone could chime in (I know some know what I'm talking about – even if I don't) with it I found it pretty compelling.

  • 248. Michelle Evans  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:17 am

    Actually, we already have a patchwork of marriage laws in this country. Look at the patchwork just here in California because of Prop 8. Some people are married, others can't; Some people used to be able to married, but can't now; some people from out of state are considered married, but others legally married are not.

    California laws governing marriage in the wake of Prop 8's passage is literally the definition of insanity!

  • 249. Brandy S.  |  September 14, 2010 at 7:21 am

    This seemed a bit bold/arrogant yet insincere (in that sort of after school special kind of way) to me:

    Mag's @ 2:20
    "If I am right about marriage, maybe I should say if god is right about marriage…"

    Clearly she is of some authority to define who god is and what god thinks and what god wants these people to do.

    Excuse the intentional lowercase g, as I am sure it is A god that Mag's is talking about.

  • 250. Ericinsandiego  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Oh GOD…I hope that these right wing nutjobs fast themselves to death….maybe Darwinism hasn't been totally lost…..I'll keep my fingers crossed…..

  • 251. MJFargo  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:26 am

    What's going to be interesting about this whole "fast" is to see if anyone cares. I'd be surprised that any network bothers to cover it.

  • 252. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:02 am

    With only tens of supporters at that event they were filming, I can't imagine that many networks would care.

  • 253. Elizabeth Oakes  |  September 14, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    It's not a matter of caring, it's whether or not they send out a press release on a slow news day. This whole Terry Jones/Koran burning thing was about one nutjob with a couple dozen followers–a nobody. Shameful and pathetic that he could create an international incident with NO cred and NO background checks.

  • 254. Bob  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:33 am

    yes I heard that too, good point Brandy, Mag's interprets or is right about marriage, because her understanding or belief about it is the same as god's.

    Mag's what if, just maybe, you got it wrong, that interpetation of yours of what god wants.

    Oh but of course that's the reason for the fast, to make a sacrifice , give up something, so that god will come into that spce you created by not having any ochra, and reward you with further evidence that you are on the right track. (meaning the money will pour in)

    Do you realize that what you are asking for, (money) and well yes VOTES, is completely alien to the divine nature of life and all things created by GOD, including LGBT's

  • 255. AndrewPDX  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:34 am

    RE: Food 4 Equality… I love the idea.
    I think it would be awesome to get a ton of Equality rainbow stickers and put them on each food item. Then, any recipient will know who really is feeding them.
    If you volunteer time instead, make sure to wear rainbow Equality stuff so people know.
    Too bad you can't paint money in rainbows.

    I aldo like the idea of supplying lists of food bank services and specifying which are controlled by fundie churches. Then we can offer our Equality food/time/money and they can either accept it and appear as hypocrites or reject our gifts and show how they really care more for their politics than for the needy. I would love to show them that we don't discriminate based on our beliefs like they do 🙂

    Liberty, Equality, Faternity

  • 256. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:44 am

    You can't paint money in rainbows, but you can definitely get rainbow stampers and stamp a rainbow on the money!

  • 257. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Or stickers. Heh I would want a stamp on the back of my hand, like from a club or something 🙂

  • 258. Bolt  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Do we have any before and after pictures of these overweight bigots? They need about 40 years of fasting.

    This reflects how vapid, shallow, and sexless their lives are. They have a tremendous lack of simple excitement.

  • 259. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:07 am

    OK… once again, may I ask, after a day of picking on Maggie because of her size, that we let it go?

    I am a large person, and I am sure there are others here who may be as well. We get just as much abuse as gay kids in school, more perhaps because there is no way to be a closeted fat kid.

    Personally, I am just fine with who I am, and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, tough luck for them… but I know that some are sensitive, and some are shy, and don't want to speak up but may be hurt by some of these abusive comments.

    Can we let it go, folks? I know that she opened herself up to it by participating in an event that involves fasting, but I think perhaps it would be nice to just drop it.


  • 260. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Smooches 🙂
    Consider it dropped by me sweetie……..

  • 261. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Thank you.

    🙂 Smooches right back at you.

  • 262. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Cosigned. She'd be evil no matter if she looked like the most beautiful model ever.

    –From another person who is larger than what is considered pleasing by the press etc–

  • 263. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Point well taken.

    Ann Coulter, blond, model thin, one of the ugliest people I have ever seen.

  • 264. AndrewPDX  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Agreed… as one who is 'gravitationally challenged', it does not reflect well for us to debase ourselves so that we act just like the discriminating bigots do.

    As the saying goes… Beauty is only skin deep… ugly goes all the way to the bone. Regardless what exterior size Maggie et al may be, their ugliness of spirit knows no bounds.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 265. Gregory in SLC  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:56 am

    posting in correct place…..

    Thank you for speaking up about that Anonygrl. I have dear persons in my life who I’d had the benefit first-hand to witness the absolute disgusting prejudice that a “large” person goes through. I can concur that this prejudice can be as mean, hateful, irrational and even dangerous as for gays. In England “Fat persons” are being targeted similar to Hispanics in the US.

  • 266. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Thanks for bringing this up Anonygrl. I too am quite overweight and have been all of my life. You are so right about the verbal abuse as a kid and that we cannot closet how we look. I have a pretty thick skin for the comments as I feel that they are directed at a person because of what she stands for not because she is an overweight woman.

    Interesting how easy it is to treat others differently if they don't live up to our or society's image of what a person should be like.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 267. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:30 am

    All right… moving on…

    Here are my 3 and a half cents on the Food idea, just to get us started. We may want to find another venue for this discussion, rather than clogging up P8TT. Please, Eden and co., tell us to move on if you need to, and we will find another spot to continue this discussion… and don't worry, that won't keep us away from our home here! 🙂

    1) We need a name for this Food/Fast/Equality thing…. elliom suggests "Feed the Fast", Andrew says "Food 4 Equality", anybody else? Elliom, I think you should pick, since it is your idea… but I wonder if anyone else has suggestions?

    2) Let's decide what the main thrust will be. So far we have two, which I think tie in together nicely.

    a. Donations to local food banks, either food, money or volunteering.

    b. Eating Out for Equality – a week of eating at restaurants owned by LGBT and Allies… possibly also coordinated so that they are giving discounts or donating to food banks. This would also possibly be tied to us posting listings of those establishments, which would require some volunteer labor to compile, both organizing the restaurants and submitting the info back to the website.

    3) We need a scope. Is this just a California deal, or are there people willing to go out in their own home towns and do some legwork (maybe some could be done on the phone… and of course, there is no COST to the restaurants who want to participate)?

    Also, do we want to push this for just 40 days of the NOMbies' fast, or keep it going past that? If we want to keep it going, should we consider that when naming this effort?

    Also, do we have any webmaster types here who would be willing to help us with set up and maintenance, bearing in mind that we have no funds and need to keep this all pretty cheap? Other volunteers will be needed as we get going, but a web person would be great to start with. Elliom, I don't know what your tech experience is, mine is more in design, not tech. I can make logos and do pretty layout, but am not as strong on things like setting up mailboxes and such.

    4) Who is in charge of all this? Fabulous ideas need to have point people driving them, or they tend to remain ideas. We are geographically diverse so need to consider that carefully, as meetings become a bit tricky. They can be done (the web is a marvelous thing!) but it takes some planning.

  • 268. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:40 am

    I personally really like Food 4 Equality, but will be happy with whatever is chosen.
    I also think we should shoot for the 40 day fast but if this continues on past that than YEAH for us and for the peoples we will be helping.
    I'll post a few of the local food banks later this evening, as well as start contacting restaurants in the greater Seattle area.
    This is way to good an idea to let slip away….not just for how it makes the McChristians look but for the actual good it will do for those in need.

  • 269. Mark M  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    I am not doing to well with this. I've contacted 17 restaurants and so far none are willing to commit. I'm thinking more info is needed and I am obviously not presenting this very well 🙁

  • 270. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:42 am

    My personal view on length…we should have it the same 40 days as the fast of NOM's. But, if restaurants and other places want to keep a donation box for the local food banks in their place of business longer than that, they are surely welcome to do so.

    I think that this should be wherever people here want it to be. I am perfectly willing to do legwork and get the word out in my area of Washington State.

    I agree there needs to be one point person to run ideas through so we don't collide and repeat efforts.

    Skype would be a good program, I think for meetings. Even people without microphones can still hear what is going on and contribute by typing in a chatbox.

  • 271. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Rhie, I will email you my Skype ID.

  • 272. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    How many can Skype at one time together? I HAVE Skype, I just never use it.

  • 273. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Anonygirl – 25 in a conference call on Skype.

  • 274. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Lets do it! Lets set up a conference call for this Saturday during the day to talk about all sorts of stuff. I propose 10am West Coast time, which is 1pm on the East. Anyone in the middle is going to have to figure it out for themselves. 🙂

    I will volunteer to be clearing house for getting this done. If you are interested in participating in the Skype call about Food, please send me an email at

    [email protected]

    I will throw together a list and send info out, (as soon as Rhie or Richard sends it to me) on how to participate in a group call. For the sake of privacy, I will BCC everyone until we decide exactly what we are doing… that way mine is the only email that is now out there, ok? Conversely, if you want the whole group to have your email, let me know and I can publish the list too.

  • 275. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    The times for this call, based on Daylight Savings Time, are as follows:
    Eastern is 1PM
    Central is noon
    Mountain is 11AM
    Pacific is 10AM
    As for the others, I have no idea what those times would be if you are further east that Eastern Time or further west than Pacific. Hope this helps.

  • 276. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Very much so, Richard. I can't keep those zones sorted out in my head. You have just been appointed "Head Honcho in Charge of Statistics and Other Important Information"!

  • 277. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    I will do the best I can with this. I have emailed you.

  • 278. AndrewPDX  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Drat… I'd love to join the conference, but I'm gonna be busy Saturday… silly thing called 'work'.

    Please keep us posted on the results, as I would love to see what I can do to help from Oregon!

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 279. Anonygrl  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:10 am

    I think the only reasonable solution is pretty obvious.

    You must quit your job.

    No! Wait! That's not it… sorry.

    Yes, we will post notes somewhere to keep people who can't make it posted.

  • 280. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 15, 2010 at 4:26 am

    I will start a new category on my blog specifically for those notes. I will make notes Saturday during the conference call, and I will contact Eden to see if I can cross post the original post from here that started the ball rolling. How's that sound?

  • 281. Rhie  |  September 15, 2010 at 7:35 am

    That sounds great – will keep an eye out for the message post. I will definitely be around Saturday.

    I am willing to get the word out In North Puget Sound (I said south before, meant north, oops). That's the town I live in plus at least three larger ones this side of Puget Sound (if you look at a map of WA, it's the other side of the water from Seattle).

  • 282. elliom  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    OMG…I'm soooooo proud of you guys! I just can't believe how a random thought bloomed into this. That's all it was….a random thought. (Gives one pause to ponder….)

    Quite honestly, while I'll take credit for the idea, the ownership of this is ours. Everyone's been coming up with such great ideas, and I can't take credit for that.

    I'm open on the naming idea. I'll admit that "feed the fast" is a bit snarky. :>

    As for timing, I'm of the thought "baby steps first." How about trying this for the 40 days of the fast, and see how it goes? If things look to be going well, perhaps it could be taken beyond that.

    Lawyerly types: Any legal ramifications we should consider?

    anonygrl: Email sent.

    Everyone: My sincerest apologies if my Mags/weight jibes offended anyone. She takes so many cheap pot shots at us, the temptation to retaliate got the best of me. I can…i SHOULD…WE SHOULD be better than this, and I will try to do so in the future.

  • 283. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    As someone who said something…

    elliom – I get that people say things in the heat of emotion they wouldn't say otherwise. I've done it. Honestly I am most offended when someone blows it off when people express concern or hurt. So, thanks.

  • 284. Sheryl, Mormon Mothe  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Once we get the logistics worked out, we need to get some kind of news article in the main papers, something to the affect that while Christians are being asked by (insert org name) to fast for 40 days for (insert reason). The LGBT community will be participating in a (whatever we call it) and donating food, time, and money to local food banks.

    My thinking is that we need to let people know, reach those middle of the road people.

    Sheryl, Mormon Mother

  • 285. anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Sounds like a good idea… Sheryl, can you join in the Skype call on Saturday? Send me your Skype ID in email if you can, please?

    [email protected]

  • 286. Rhie  |  September 15, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Sounds like a good idea. I say we write one template Press Release that can be given out to all kinds of newspapers. We do need to be careful not to sound like we are bashing all Christians, while distancing ourselves from NOM.

  • 287. Svenbot  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:32 am

    I think that Mary Gallagher could def use about 40 days of weight loss lol

  • 288. truthspew  |  September 14, 2010 at 9:35 am

    The Good Bishop Jackson is lying through his teeth. I think all those hits playing football killed his cognitive abilities.

    The reason that 41% will never marry isn't due to gay people, it's due to high incarceration rates, and high rates of black on black violence dear Bishop.

    And they are constantly linking marriage to procreation. But the question begs, what of the infertile? Can they still marry? Of course, by the law of Gallagher and Jackson the answer is yes so long as they are opposite sex.

  • 289. bJason  |  September 14, 2010 at 10:03 am

    I am very excited about Elliom's inspired idea of food donations during the NOM Fast-tastic.

    There is a bit of time to really coordinate a national effort for this.

    I think that we should find a national organization (i.e. Feeding America – from a quick google search) to partner with in this endeavor. The group could help structure a strategy and campaign for us as well as locations for donation drop off. Also, possibly, tax credits for donors.

    I worked on a project like this with a former employer and St. Jude's Children's Hospital. It was on of the most rewarding things I have ever done.

    I would be glad to work with others on putting something like this together if you guys would like! Let me know.

  • 290. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Send me email… address is up above, about half a dozen posts. 🙂

  • 291. bJason  |  September 14, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    done! 🙂

  • 292. gunshowsigns  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Thanks for the list and the prop 8 map. Now I can get funding for a state constitutional to void the fed courts. In other world a paper succession from the union. Thank guys!

  • 293. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Excuse me? Are you being serious, or are you being sarcastic? If you are being serious, you definitely do not belong on a pro-equality, anti-discrimination site. And if you want to live in a theocracy, you do not need to plan a secession from the United States, all you need to do is move to the Vatican. That is a theocracy.

  • 294. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Your message, aside from being oddly spelled, is oddly unclear. Could you please explain what you are on about? Thanks!

  • 295. AndrewPDX  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Oh, good… I'm not the only who couldn't figure out what the heck that rant was about. I'm not going crazy.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

  • 296. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    I wouldn't rule THAT out, Andrew.


    I kid. I kid because I love. Have a cookie!

  • 297. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    So I am not the only one who thinks this is a troll?

  • 298. Sheryl Carver  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Perhaps this person is either lost in (web)space or has had too many of the illegal-type of brownies.

  • 299. Lesbians Love Boies  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:17 pm


  • 300. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Frankly, I am trying to figure out how *I* can get funding for a state constitutional. Although I don't want to void the fed courts, so that might be a problem.

    I am torn between troll and English as a second language.

    But if this character is a troll, I hope he figures out how to secede.

  • 301. Errin Davenport  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:22 am

    40 day fast!!?? OMG! They will all be so skinny! Hopefully they will ot have enough energy to keep hating us, or become enlightened like their Christ and realize "Love thy neighbor!"

  • 302. fiona64  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:26 am

    Speaking of calls:

    One "John Eastman," from the National Organization for Marriage, left a robo-call on our answering device today. Since "John Eastman" was not smart enough to figure out that he was talking to another machine, he left a phone number for me to call and let him know my feelings about "the most important issue facing Americans today: the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman."

    In case any of the rest of you would like to let John Eastman know your feelings about the matter, the phone number is 609-688-0450.

    I let John Eastman know my feelings about the matter, and that I would be sharing his phone number.



  • 303. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:58 am

    That is NOM's New Jersey number… won't actually get you anywhere near Eastman… sorry.

  • 304. Richard A. Walter (s  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    yes it will. The first option you are given is to dial one for the California office. Speaking of Delaware, Castle lost the primary to little miss "even masturbation is wrong, and we need to have abstinence only sex education in the school systems." Christine Todd, I think her name is.

  • 305. Anonygrl  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    I tried it. You get NOM's California office. You still don't get anywhere near Eastman.

  • 306. Rhie  |  September 14, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Christine O'Donnell – and this is good news for Democrats.

  • 307. fiona64  |  September 15, 2010 at 2:04 am

    I don't think "John Eastman" is a real human being.

    In any event, the NOM CA office has a message letting them know my feelings about their poll, their bigotry, and the fact that this particular straight ally has had enough of their BS.


  • 308. Ann S.  |  September 16, 2010 at 2:53 am

    Fiona, there IS a very real human being named John Eastman, and allying with NOM would fit right in with the rest of his agenda: is the still-active site for his losing campaign for the Republican nomination for AG (he lost to Steve Cooley).

  • 309. Gregory in SLC  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Thank you for speaking up about that Anonygrl. I have dear persons in my life who I'd had the benefit first-hand to witness the absolute disgusting prejudice that a "large" person goes through. I can concur that this prejudice can be as mean, hateful, irrational and even dangerous as for gays. In England "Fat persons" are being targeted similar to Hispanics in the US.

  • 310. Bill  |  September 14, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I was going to quip about how it was just Maggie's obviously needed weight-loss program but it seems several others thought of it before I saw the article!

  • 311. Linda  |  September 14, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    I am so impressed with all of you!

    It's an honor to be able to claim association!

  • 312. Bob White  |  September 14, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Ol' Maggie should really consider a 400 day fast! Cow.

  • 313. toth  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Good. Let the bigots starve themselves.

  • 314. Anonygrl  |  September 15, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Just a reminder, comments about weight hurt not only the people you aim them at, but others with weight issues, just as "that's so gay!" does to homosexuals.

    We need to stop it, please.

  • 315. Dpeck  |  September 15, 2010 at 1:25 am

    Indeed. I to have strong feelings of dislike for Maggie and Brian et al (how diplomatic was THAT?) but the lowbrow namecalling can be used against us to hurt our cause. I realize it can feel good to vent but in the words of Jon Stewart, "You're not helping!".

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    This would solve a problem like "tout de suite".

    PS.: I'm not that violent.

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