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NOM is not MLK: A 10-point examination

NOM Exposed Right-wing

Cross-posted at Good As You.

By Jeremy Hooper

We were up all night, kept awake by the noise from the rolling around going on inside of Martin Luther King Jr’s grave. So that gave us time to think about a few more things that are super annoying about the National Organization For Marriage’s offensive decision to lift and co-opt MLK’s “Give Us The Ballot” speech for their current war against same-sex marriages in Minnesota:

1) Whereas NOM has never met a pro-equality court that they wouldn’t decry (or work to oust the judges), King’s 1957 speech was all about the court’s needed role in delivering justice. It was delivered on the anniversary of Brown vs. the Board of Education for a reason:

“Three years ago the Supreme Court of this nation rendered in simple, eloquent, and unequivocal language a decision which will long be stenciled on the mental sheets of succeeding generations. For all men of goodwill, this May seventeenth decision came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of human captivity. It came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of disinherited people throughout the world who had dared only to dream of freedom.”

2) Those who wished to use the legislature to delay Brown‘s court-backed justice were rightly, roundly criticized:

“Unfortunately, this noble and sublime decision has not gone without opposition. This opposition has often risen to ominous proportions. Many states have risen up in open defiance. The legislative halls of the South ring loud with such words as ‘interposition’ and ‘nullification.’”

3) King encouraged the legislative and executive branch to learn from the courts, not to write them off as bodies filled with “activist judges” or undermine them with constitutional alterations:

“So far, only the judicial branch of the government has evinced this quality of leadership. If the executive and legislative branches of the government were as concerned about the protection of our citizenship rights as the federal courts have been, then the transition from a segregated to an integrated society would be infinitely smoother.”

4) Hypocritical far-right rhetoric was called out for what it was (/is):

“The Republicans have betrayed it by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of right wing, reactionary northerners. These men so often have a high blood pressure of words and an anemia of deeds.”

5) Self-appointed guardians of the so-called status quo were chastised for treating civil rights as if they were a temporal fad:

“We come humbly to say to the men in the forefront of our government that the civil rights issue is not an Ephemeral, evanescent domestic issue that can be kicked about by reactionary guardians of the status quo”

6) Principled leaders were asked to stop seeing the fight as a two-sided, equally-merited national conversation, and to instead realize that there are some matters that deserve a subjective push forward:

“There is a dire need today for a liberalism which is truly liberal. What we are witnessing today in so many northern communities is a sort of quasi-liberalism which is based on the principle of looking sympathetically at all sides. It is a liberalism so bent on seeing all sides, that it fails to become committed to either side. It is a liberalism that is so objectively analytical that it is not subjectively committed. It is a liberalism which is neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm. (All right) We call for a liberalism from the North which will be thoroughly committed to the ideal of racial justice and will not be deterred by the propaganda and subtle words of those who say: “Slow up for a while; you’re pushing too fast.”

7) Those who demonstrated an even more overheated resistance to minority rights were called out and condemned, with fallacy and fear again rising to the surface of obviousness:

“These persons gain prominence and power by the dissemination of false ideas and by deliberately appealing to the deepest hate responses within the human mind.”

8) Openly gay Bayard Rustin was one of three organizers of the speech and related march.

9) Whereas NOM is all about limitation, the “Give Us The Ballot” speech’s resounding theme involved integrity, encouraging “new meaning into the veins of civilization,” and expanding a “new dimension of love”:

“Keep going today. (Yes sir) Keep moving amid every obstacle. (Yes sir) Keep moving amid every mountain of opposition. (Yes sir, Yeah) If you will do that with dignity (Say it), when the history books are written in the future, the historians will have to look back and say, “There lived a great people. (Yes sir, Yes) A people with ‘fleecy locks and black complexion,’ but a people who injected new meaning into the veins of civilization (Yes); a people which stood up with dignity and honor and saved Western civilization in her darkest hour (Yes); a people that gave new integrity and a new dimension of love to our civilization.”

10) NOM is persecuted not. They can try to flip the historical script all they want — as long as the side that does know slighting keeps pushing forward, the words will inevitably line up the way they’re supposed to. They always do.


  • 1. David Crane  |  October 17, 2010 at 4:57 am

    Thank you. That was well said.

  • 2. Rhie  |  October 17, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Agreed. I can't think of anything to add.

  • 3. Michelle Evans  |  October 17, 2010 at 4:59 am

    For NOM to continue to usurp MLK's words and wisdom, and twist them to meet their own nefarious ideas of freedom and equality (theirs and no one else's), is such a measure of hypocrisy that has not been seen in many years in this country.

    The whole idea behind what King did was to get the judges and the courts to make the decisions to create equality throughout the land, and not to put anyone's rights to a vote. It is impossible for NOM to be so utterly ignorant that they do not understand this fact. What it does show is that they believe that all of their followers ARE idiots enough to think this is what MLK was saying, and that says a lot about what they think of their own "believers."

  • 4. Sagesse  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:09 am

    Reading material while awaiting the Plaintiffs' brief on Monday.

  • 5. Felyx  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:53 am


    If you get a chance read our brief and email what you think. [email protected]

    Would love to get any rewrites or additional sections to add…

    Anyway, looking forward to any comments.


  • 6. StraightForEquality  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:16 am

    Subscribe now, read later.

  • 7. Kathleen  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:19 am


  • 8. Alan E.  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:42 am

    Me too. I need to study for a test.

  • 9. Alan E.  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:42 am

    First I must check the box.

  • 10. Jonathan H  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:19 am

    First I laugh, and then I realize that they're serious, and cry.

  • 11. Richard A. Walter (s  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:28 am

    Yes, but we all know that NOM will misuse ANYTHING they can in their attempt to stop us from gaining full equality, and to make their lies even more convincing.

  • 12. Kathleen  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:32 am

    This post might be a good place to share this – from PBS's show "Need to Know"
    In perspective: Jon Meacham on the gay rights movement

  • 13. Sarah  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:44 am

    Wow, that was great. And such an interesting perspective/thought on the matter…

  • 14. Sarah  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:40 am


  • 15. Ronnie  |  October 17, 2010 at 5:46 am

    NOM is a repugnant un-American waste of oxygen filled with deplorable benighted Fascist Troglodytes all of which have obviously FAILED American History……Martin Luther King Jr & The Civil Rights Movement was about Freedom ALL across the board….NOM stands for complete domination & dictatorship of anybody who does not conform to what they view as Christian & Human.

    They cry & complain about their imprudent "vote" to control other people's personal lives according to their autocratic & theocratic obsolete beliefs & definitions that violate ALL Constitutional laws & diminish the true meaning of American Freedom.

    The Civil Rights Movement was a fight for Freedom NOT a fight to control others & force them to live their lives how some Homophobic, inhuman, heartless, soulless, unethical, condescending, narcissistic, immoral, degrading, carless, cowardly, belligerent, deceitful, ignorant, bigoted, malicious, naive, greedy, selfish, spoiled, gullible, hurtful, hateful, snobbish, disillusioned, possessive, obnoxious, unconstitutional, immature, ugly inside & out, Fascist Porcine's who are, have been, & always will be on the wrong side of History….

    As a descendent of slaves I am completely & utterly disgusted by NOM's blatant misuse of our heritage. They are a disgrace to all that it is American History & a Brobdingnagian affront to ALL our country stands for. NOM's opprobrium will whole heartedly go down in history right along side that of their historical counterparts of 1692, 1838, 1619-1865, 1848-1920, 1925, 1939-1945, 1967, & 1955-1968….i.e. evil & historically reviled as the un-empathetic, un-compassionate, & selfish bullies they are, have always been & always will be.

    June 27th 1969 was the beginning of the end of their oppression over us. Equality is inevitable…Martin Luther King Jr is, has always been, & will always be on the side of Equality & Freedom..You, NOM, NEVER will…so get over it…& "QUIT YOUR BITCHING!!!!"….<3…Ronnie

  • 16. fiona64  |  October 18, 2010 at 3:04 am

    NOM is the Dominionist Movement writ large.

    Anyone who is not scared of organizations like this is not paying attention. They *want* the Republic of Gilead to be real, not just dystopian fiction.


  • 17. Rhie  |  October 18, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Fiona — I am so glad to hear you say that honestly. It IS scary but most people look at me like I'm a birther when I try to talk about it. — She is a great resource on the movement. She is a walkaway, and has spent years gathering sources and resources.

  • 18. fiona64  |  October 19, 2010 at 3:30 am

    Hi, Rhie. I know dogemperor via LiveJournal; there is a community there called "Dark Christian," which is essentially a Dominionist watch. Lots of great information.


  • 19. Rhie  |  October 19, 2010 at 6:59 am

    LOL Small internet world! I'm "chaeri" on LJ, and participate in both the Dark_christian and Dominionism communities. I am sure I have seen you around :). Friend me if you like.

  • 20. fiona64  |  October 20, 2010 at 3:05 am

    LOL, Rhie … I'll look for you.

    My journal is friends-only, so check your user info at some point today so that you can add me back. 🙂

    Fiona (same "handle" on LiveJournal)

  • 21. Rhie  |  October 20, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Cool! 🙂

  • 22. Paul in Minneapolis  |  October 17, 2010 at 6:25 am

    An excellent analysis, Jeremy. Thank you.

    As soon as the people start voting for marriage equality, NOM will stop insisting that the people should vote. I wonder how they'll spin it then!

  • 23. Don in Texas  |  October 17, 2010 at 6:40 am

    The miscreants at NOM who bellow about the "vote of the people" should heed the words of Justice Robert Jackson:

    "The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects
    from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the
    reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal
    principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty,
    and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and
    assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote;
    they depend on the outcome of no elections." — Justice Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954)
    Source: West Virginia Board of Education vs. Barnette, 319 US 624, 1943

  • 24. Don in Texas  |  October 17, 2010 at 6:46 am

    And while I'm quoting other men's wisdom, here is something which applies to Judge Virginia Phillips' ruling that DADT is unconstitutional:


    The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law which violates the Constitution to be valid. This is succinctly stated as follows:

    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."
    —Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch)
    137, 174, 176, (1803)

    "When rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them."
    —Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491

    "An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed."
    —Norton vs. Shelby County 118 US 425 p. 442

    The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.*

    "No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."
    —16 Am Jur 2nd, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256

    * Since DADT has been unconstitutional since the day President Clinton signed it into law, it seems to me that the 14,000+ service members discharged under its provisions over the past 17 years could bring a class action (at least three of them) seeking reinstatement with restitution of all pay and allowances since their discharges. I wonder if the Pentagon has planned for that.

  • 25. Papa Foma  |  October 17, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Don —
    Those quotes should remind legislators of their place in the lawmaking process, the voters of their place, and the H8ters of their reason(s) for their bigotry.
    Thanks for the research and presentation !

  • 26. Straight Ally #3008  |  October 17, 2010 at 6:50 am

    That really took patience, guys. No way I would even begin to refute such a patently bullsh-t claim by NOM.

  • 27. GreenEyedLilo  |  October 17, 2010 at 7:28 am

    This should be spread far and wide. Our "Fierce Advocate" in the White House and other lukewarm liberals would do well to read Dr. King's original speech, too. Thank you for this thorough takedown. The people who need to read it almost certainly won't, but it's worth doing anyway, and I appreciate the effort.

  • 28. Bob  |  October 17, 2010 at 7:48 am

    we have to stop assuming that this message is for someone else,, to act on.

    the message is for us, to give us strength, we're the one's that need to move forward first in our own minds, standing up where we are and being equal,

    read Kathleens post #11 at 12:32 re the link to speach by Jon Meacham,,,,, this is our fight,

  • 29. Straight Ally #3008  |  October 17, 2010 at 8:42 am

    If you have a chance, I highly recommend Brother Oustider: The Life of Bayard Rustin, available for free online:

  • 30. Straight Ally #3008  |  October 17, 2010 at 8:43 am


  • 31. Ray in MA  |  October 17, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Thank you for posting this… I watched it all from start to end.

    An absolutley amazing man.

    I learned so much about the Black Civil Rights movement in this documentary.

    Everyone should see this, too.

  • 32. StraightForEquality  |  October 17, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    I just finished watching it, too. I hadn't known of Bayard Rustin before. Excellent and inspirational documentary!

    Thanks, Straight Ally #3008, for mentioning this.

  • 33. Straight Ally #3008  |  October 17, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    My pleasure, guys. I only recently discovered myself how much Rustin was the unsung hero of the civil rights movement. His quote, shortly before his death, on how LGBT rights is the new measure of the civil rights movement is more timely than ever.

  • 34. Bob  |  October 18, 2010 at 4:31 am

    Rustin was King's closest confidant and they were friends….

    King was to Rustin, what Straight Ally #3008, and other SA's including Obama, are to us. King would not have that kind of relationship with Rustin if he was anti-gay, and how painful it must have been for both of them knowing they put the gay issue aside and did not include it at the time. so as not to further divide the battle.

    We don't have that problem now, Rustin and King both showed us how, it's up to us to continue and finish the long walk to equality.

    Borrowing from their expample, using our own unique abilities to create an extension and build on that work, from a perspective of diversity whose time has come to shine it's light, and be noticed, make eveyone acknowledge the rainbow.

    Re #4 in Hoopers points, the republicans are still the enemy, and like Fiona states above, NOM is their offspring which we need to confont full on. Keep that in mind, in moving forward, we might as well focus on them, direct our outrage and anger to them, forget about Democrats, and what Obama has or hasn't done, don't waste our energy being angry at Obama, we're fighting the repubs. they were then, and we are now.

    And one way to fight them during election is to vote Democrat.

  • 35. Ray in MA  |  October 18, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    @Bob, agreed 100%… Vote Democrat!

    As Rustin said/implied in the documentary: they both stink, but the Democrats smell better.

  • 36. [email protected]  |  October 17, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Is anyone curious why the media has not branded Gallagher a racist fort some of the comments she’s made in the past? (This’d surely turn the African American comm. against her and NOM!) Gallagher, indeed, appears to have some rather ovate racist tendencies. You see, in 1991 she wrote an article condeming multiculturalism as being bad for kids and “the family”, but this article has the fopllowing rather offensive nugget that I am shocked no one has made a public stink over, yet. Maggie writes, “[e]mbarrassing as it may be to admit, most African-Americans are Christians.”

    Here’s the full article:

    Maggie Gallagher said of the NOMExposed website, recently (according to a NOM e-blast): “[it's] a deliberate tactic that’s been developed over the last few years, especially in the wake of Prop. 8, by ‘gay marriage’ advocates to harass and intimidate people and try to discourage them from participating in the democratic process.” Yet, she still plays the victim-card as if we are going to harass and protest supporters of NOM and their tyrranical schemes. However, part of American democracy has been, for generations, to show their collective voices by protesting, and picketting, and boycotting businesses! Indeed, Maggie Gallagher;s SCOTUS hero, Anthony Scalia, has declared that engaging in the “democratic process requires a certain amount of courage” (here, of course, he was speaking of releasing the IDs of anti-Gay petition signatures (‘course, NOM doesn’t think they should play by democratic electoral laws and hide it’s donor names!).
    BTW, I have a question that no one has definitively answered, yet: if a Court has already ruled that NOM *must* hand over their donor list, and they have so far absolutely refused to do so, than why has no hefty legal action by the Court been taken against them? Heck, NOM keeps insisting that the Iowa Ethics & Campaign Disclosure Board simply let them off the hook because, they claim, the Iowa ECDB found no basis for the charges. I have contacted the IA. ECDB, and they have not responded to my concerns, yet. So far, there really HAS been no news about an Iowa ruling for or against NOM in this regard, so far as I am aware… Unless anyone can show me otherwise…

  • 37. grod  |  October 17, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    While Dave from Maine would do a better job that me –
    Maine's laws require that organizations which solicit more than $5000 for a ballot question campaign file disclosure reports. NOM contributed $1.6 million to Stand for Marriage Maine, without filing disclosure reports. The Commission on Government Ethics & Election Practices' request for reports was contested and in May 2010, the U.S. District Court ordered NOM to submit fundraising documentation to the Commission. In June, the Commission rejected NOM's claim that it lacked appropriate authority to investigate and gave a deadline of the end of August. NOM was back to court. In reading the commision's minutes, it appears to be still unresolved.

  • 38. Kat  |  October 17, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    I'm so sick of their bullshit games.

  • 39. Chris in Lathrop  |  October 17, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Co-opting Dr. King's speech seems like the quasi-cherry atop a nauseating sundae of hatred. Maggie, Maggie, Maggie… remember the pledge of allegiance? It doesn't say, "…with liberty and justice for traditionalists," does it?

    OT – I'm hoping to either make a simple brochure or find one already made to go along with the Spirit Day memorial this Wednesday. Anybody have any leads on one, or on a webpage with a comprehensive list of the more recent victims? I know Jon T's got a lot of them at "The Price of Hate" blog, but I noticed a couple missing even there.

  • 40. candide001  |  October 17, 2010 at 10:21 am

    The sad fact is that however irrational their arguments are they know how to manipulate people into voting the way they want them to. They're much more politically astute than we are. Unfortunately that's what counts, at least in the near and midterm.

  • 41. Rhie  |  October 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Oh I don't think they are more politically astute. They are just willing to play dirtier than any person of conscience wants to play.

  • 42. elliom  |  October 17, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Evil will always out-think good, in the beginning, because the evil mind easily goes where the good mind cannot even comprehend.

  • 43. Ronnie  |  October 17, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Gloria Estefan says "It Gets Better"……<3…Ronnie:

  • 44. Michael  |  October 17, 2010 at 11:44 am

    The shrill anti-gay pressure group NOM will do or say whatever it takes to impose their "religious beliefs" on the rest of us. They will bully and intimidate judges and pro-equality Americans; they will lie; they will smear Martin Luther King with the darkness and shame of homophobia when even his wife was clear that he would have supported equality; they will sue and demand the special right to not follow laws which the rest of us have to follow; they will redefine words like tradition, morality and freedom to mean taking away the rights of other American families, and they will slap Jesus in the face by spending millions on promoting the idea that sleeping with the opposite sex makes one so much more worthy of everything instead of spending that money on the poor and needy as our Lord commands us. The militant anti-gay activists at NOM are not only unamercan, but immoral. As a Christian, I rebuke them in the name of Christ!

  • 45. Ronnie  |  October 17, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    So Trackers new hateful posts on NOM's Protect Marriage Facebook page…..This thread was started be Leroy Solomon….I have screenshots of him posting not only on Protect Marriage but on pretty much every anti-gay page directly advocating murder & violence towards LGBT people…..

    Leroy Solomon Here's an article worth posting:

    Leroy Solomon ~ "It goes to show that people don't want this sort of unnatural behavior being shown in public. It's sad that a pretty, attractive woman such as her chose a perverted lifestyle…"
    about an hour ago · 2 people ·

    (me) Hey NOM you support calling innocent people including children perverts?…the 2 people who like it are himself (who like their own posts? dipshite) & Serena Nino (more from her)

    Serena Nino ~ "So they say there is no agenda. So someone disapproves of a showing of unnatural affection and they get their panties in a bunch.Well they just have to shove it down every ones throat!"
    about an hour ago · 1 person ·

    (me) Hye NOM you support disrespecting people like this? I guess you didn't hear that it is not "unnatural" or against the law to do so….& you do know that those exact words were the same words that caused LGBT teens to kill themselves right?…..BTW Serena Nino is an "ex-gay" Fascist harridan married to an "ex-gay" man who also advocates criminalization of LGBT all over Facebook…She also supports the Uganda Genocide Bill…as well as forcing people to be Christian…is that what you stand for NOM?…..

    On another thread this was posted by Steven Bates….he also advocates murder & violence towards LGBT all over Facebook, Violence towards Muslims, Force people to be Christian, Force Women to be housewives, the list goes on forever…..

    Steven Bates ~ "Sometimes the easiest way to get rid of an ugly response if the posting person might seem valid enough in wanting decent discourse is to just remove a post….this might well have been the case…who knows…overall the admin here does a real good job of keeping this room clear of ugly discussions and hateful trolls.
    As to hating them…..I guess that we are not "blue in the face" enough for them yet…as we continually tell them that we hate their sins, we hate the attitudes and words given, but we DON'T hate them….actually we feel for them….they refuse such a marvelous lifestyle for their disease ridden one; and such a beautiful God, for one that will do the ugliest things to them for all of their afterlives….these things are SOO easily obtained that WHY they keep CHOOSING their hateful, unhealthy, and Godless lifestyle is just beyond us."

    (me) Hey NOM you do know that the last paragraph of the rant are the same words that drone Billy Lucas, Zach Harrington, Cody J. Barker, Raymond Chase, Seth Walsh, Asher Brown, Justin Aaberg & more to kill themselves?…Is that what you stand for NOM?

    NOM YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS & your pages shows nothing but contempt, bigotry, disdain, ugliness, & HATE!!!!!….You should be proud of yourself because all of these screenshots I have of your evil page & your repugnant followers will fed right into the hands of the news…Good luck trying to cover this up….screenshots with dates NEVER lie….you should be familiar with that word…"lie" its you bread & butter….LIARS!!!!!…… >( …Ronnie

  • 46. Ronnie  |  October 17, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I just don't get why NOM thinks they can say they do not hate, they do not condone this type of behavior & speech & yet there it is all over their page by their regulars…..

    I have at least 20 times pointed out to the admins that this Leroy Solomon guy has advocated violence on that very page & yet HI…there he is at the very top of the page….but they ban every single person who is either pro-Equality or disagrees with them on one little thing….It made me sick just copying & pasting those quotes…..But I figured since NOM (Hi Louis!…Hi Brian!…Hi Maggie!) are obviously watching this page….they should see what their followers say in public forums that are run by them…..the vial vitriol that is being directly attached to their name….. They are being watched NOM…just so they know…its not just NOM Exposed that is watching them…Its innocent children who are LGBT, & children of LGBT…as well as Facebook equality supporters all over the world who are seeing then for what they really are….Ugly & hateful…. : I …Ronnie

  • 47. Ronnie  |  October 17, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    & New comment on NOM's Protect Marriage Page…..

    Sharky Dutch ~ "Wow, there's a lot of trolls on that page that I forgot all about. I have no doubt they're going to take my comment and make a bunch of hateful, pro SSM, offensive nonsense.

    Hey FF4E!!! you're not fighting for equal rights, you're trying to take special privileges just because you made a terrible choice when it comes to attraction. You gay agenda tricked those kids into thinking they are gay, they committed suicide because they thought they didn't have a choice when it came to attraction, and now their deaths are on your hands. They could have chosen to become heterosexuals, but thanks to your "not a choice" BS they killed themselves.

    I hope they read all of that."
    12 minutes ago ·

    (me) This guy is another account advocating murder & violence towards LGBT people all over Facebook…he trolled the Peter, Paul & Mary Page when they told NOM to stop using their song…..Hey NOM is this what you stand for?…..disrespecting people? degrading people? are you saying there is no hate in the comment full of lies?…… : I ….Ronnie

  • 48. Ray in MA  |  October 17, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    And look at the Favorites on that site…

    As it says on Facebook:
    "Facebook helps you connect and share with the people in your life.."

    And this is the strangest we site I've ever seen.
    It keeps scrolling left to right until you click into it and it will stop… move your mouse away and it starts again… (Fiona's post is in there from last July)

  • 49. Sagesse  |  October 18, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Not only is the Plaintiffs' brief in Perry due today…

    Judge Phillips has scheduled a hearing on the DADT stay for 2:30 Pacific time this afternoon.

  • 50. Don in Texas  |  October 18, 2010 at 1:34 am

    Read the sharply worded, well written response filed by plaintiffs' attorneys to the DoJ request for a stay of Judge Phillips' injunction in Log Cabin Republicans v. United States. It is afn outstanding example of good lawyering.

  • 51. Alan E.  |  October 18, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Just so you know, Kathleen is fantastically on top of these court filings. She has 2 Scribd accounts, 1 for Prop 8 , and the other for anything else, to which she uploads just about all of the filings going through the courts with regards to cases of interest here. It is a much better read than the DoJ's filing, though.

  • 52. Joel  |  October 18, 2010 at 3:01 am

    Amazing brief! Concise, terse even, and very pointed. I think my favorite part is where they basically accuse the government, which has ample time to prepare for the eventuality that DADT would be ruled unconstitutional, of making the excuse that "well, the dog ate our homework."

  • 53. Kathleen  |  October 18, 2010 at 3:39 am

    Here's the second account Alan mentioned. You can look for non-Prop 8 (Perry) documents there.

    I think Sagesse has already reported that there will be a hearing on the issue of the stay this afternoon in Phillips' courtroom.

  • 54. Don in Texas  |  October 18, 2010 at 1:35 am

    Oops. Sorry about failing to close the italics tag above.

  • 55. Dave P.  |  October 18, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Hi all,

    OT – I was away from the computer for a couple of days and just wanted to comment on our P8TT get-together we had here in San Francisco Friday evening, organized by Sheryl. It was great! We have about ten people and we attended an improv night that Sheryl's son was involved in. Some of us were able to stay around after the show and we got together for dinner & to swap P8TT stories and get to know each other.

    If any of you get the chance to meet up with other P8TTers in person, I highly recommend it. Thanks, Sheryl!

  • 56. Kate  |  October 18, 2010 at 1:48 am

    I was hoping someone would give us a report! Thanks, DaveP.

  • 57. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  October 18, 2010 at 4:22 am

    Appreciated! thx Dave (and Sheryl) : )

  • 58. Bennett  |  October 18, 2010 at 2:15 am

    (404) 526-8900 Here is the number to the king center. I have contacted them to express how offensive I feel it is that the National Organization for Marriage is using his image, excerpts from his speeches, and characterizing their issue as the new civil rights struggle of our time. (It is, it just isn't their civil right struggle.) Can anyone here get NOM the Peter Paul and Mary treatment on this?

  • 59. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 18, 2010 at 3:32 am

    Thank you for that Bennett. I have been trying to email the center all morning but the emails keep bouncing. I will attempt to call them on my lunch hour.

  • 60. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 18, 2010 at 7:04 am

    The person I spoke with at The King Center didn't seem at all interested in what I was saying. I wouldn't call them rude about it, but she was certainly very curt.

  • 61. Bob  |  October 18, 2010 at 7:28 am

    thanks Mark M for making the call, just thinking first reaction by reception would be to distance themselves not get drawn in, but if others do it, then whoever is taking the calls will start asking questions, maybe it will take more callers?

    I got a recording and left a message, wonder if we could find their e-mail.

  • 62. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 18, 2010 at 8:11 am

    The email addresses on the web site all keep bouncing as 'Undeliverable'
    I've tried all 6 email addresses…..sales, webmaster, info, etc

  • 63. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  October 18, 2010 at 8:44 am

    From The King Center's own website.

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    "Racism is a philosophy based on a contempt for life. It is the arrogant assertion that one race is the center of value and object of devotion, before which other races must kneel in submission. It is the absurd dogma that one race is responsible for all the progress of history and alone can assure the progress of the future. Racism is total estrangement. It separates not only bodies, but minds and spirits. Inevitably it descends to inflicting spiritual and physical homicide upon the out-group."

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