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DOMA trials

By Adam Bink

The predictions from anti-equality leaders in response to the Obama administration’s move on DOMA are pouring in:

NEW YORK — Angered conservatives are vowing to make same-sex marriage a front-burner election issue, nationally and in the states, following the Obama administration’s announcement that it will no longer defend the federal law denying recognition to gay married couples.

“The ripple effect nationwide will be to galvanize supporters of marriage,” said staff counsel Jim Campbell of Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative legal group.


“The president has thrown down the gauntlet, challenging Congress,” said Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council. “It is incumbent upon the Republican leadership to respond by intervening to defend DOMA, or they will become complicit in the president’s neglect of duty.”


In Rhode Island, the Roman Catholic bishop of Providence, Thomas Tobin, said Thursday that his diocese would “redouble its efforts’ to defeat a pending same-sex marriage bill in response to the announcement. In Iowa, conservative activist Bob Vander Plaats said the DOMA decision would invigorate a campaign to repeal the state’s court-ordered same-sex marriage law.

“This gives us more credibility than ever with this issue,” said Vander Plaats, who wants to topple the Democratic leadership in the state Senate that is blocking efforts to put a same-sex marriage repeal proposal on the ballot.


Perkins, the Family Research Council leader, suggested that House Republicans would risk alienating their conservative base if they did not tackle the marriage issue head-on.

“The president was kind of tossing this cultural grenade into the Republican camp,” he said.

“If they ignore this, it becomes an issue that will lead to some very troubling outcomes for Republicans.”


Brian Brown, president of the conservative National Organization for Marriage, predicted that Obama’s decision not to defend the federal DOMA would spur efforts in some of the remaining states to join the ranks of those with constitutional bans.

Indiana lawmakers took a step in that direction last week, and Brown said it was possible that amendments could gain traction in Wyoming, Minnesota, North Carolina and even New Hampshire, if GOP lawmakers succeed in repealing the state’s same-sex marriage law.

“This raises the stakes and makes clear the executive branch is not willing to carry out its responsibility,” Brown said. “I don’t think by any stretch of the imagination the tables have turned on this issue. People in this country know what marriage is.”

Thing is, as I look at the numbers and get a sense of people’s priorities when I travel the country, it’s harder and harder to find people who (a) are even clear on what DOMA is (b) prioritize it above whether their trash gets picked up twice or three times per week, or whether they have a job. I’m serious. I’m not saying there aren’t hard-right activists and politicians out there and we shouldn’t expect DOMA-style legislation in the states to fight, but for goodness’ sake, look at CPAC. For years it was the bedrock of everything anti-LGBT, anti-choice, school prayer, you name it. But younger conservative activists are coming into the party who are with us on some of the LGBT issues and, even if they aren’t, don’t give a flip. Not only that, but I took a class on European politics in college, and I always remember a fascinating paper demonstrating that legislation and regulation on non-economic “soft” issues- LGBT rights, drug policy, the environment, etc.- always advanced in strong economic times and never in poor economic times. Now, there are obviously exceptions to that- look at repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”- but my point is people have a few dozen bigger priorities in this economic climate, and with threats of climate change and other issues looming, when evaluating, say, their Presidential candidates, than DOMA, if they even understand what it is.

I think Perkins and the rest are expecting a very different party rise up than what they will see.


  • 1. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    subbin and reading

  • 2. JonT  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:44 am

  • 3. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    …and we will prevail! They can 'fight' as much as they want – fighting is such a negative word. I will stand up and be seen and heard – not one of the above will make me be invisible again.

  • 4. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    You go LLB! I got your back!

  • 5. Ann S.  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:21 am

    And I have both of yours!

  • 6. Tomato  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    The most important thing we can do is come out.

    People need to see the LGBT around them; at their work, in their stores, in their neighborhood, in their church.

    If they know who we really are, they won't fall for the hysterical [email protected] the GOP/TP says about us.

    Come out, come out, where-ever you are.

  • 7. Carpool Cookie  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:40 am

    Yes. It is hard if people feel their inheritence or something is on the line, though, and they're going to be disowned by their family…It's sort of how I felt about Jodie Foster being closeted all those years. While it's certainly not IDEAL, I'm pretty sure she would not have had the leading lady career she had if she had been identified as a lesbian.

    For people who's income don't rest on a particular straight image, though….YES, PLEASE COME OUT! It feels better on the other side, when you can actually see, and be seen. And if you feel endangered in a small town, move to the city…like LGBT have been doing since time began.

  • 8. Bob  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:41 am

    I think we're well past the point in history where a persons role as leading lady would be lost due to sexual orientation,,,, come-out,,,,,

    as for inheritance,,, cut the apron strings,,, if money buys your silence, that's simply a poor personal choice,,,, a person of integrity and sound mind would choose liberty any day,, come-out,,,,

    of course there always will be people who are not strong enough to make the right choice, at this particular time,,,, and many who do not even understand the relevance of their situation,,,, forgive them

    this is America's moment, the time is NOW,,, Obama's brilliance in the statement he made, could encourage many of those hiding to come out,,,,, come out ,, come out,,, if this becomes an election issue,, we'll need the boys to get out of the bars,, even if they're not up for marriage, they gotta be up for civil irghts,,

  • 9. Felyx  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:24 am


    I was told long ago to come out and so I did. I lost my job. I lost my next job as well and the next. I lost my last job merely because of the PERCEPTION that I was gay.

    I want to say that I have seriously learned my lesson.

    This time I will have a lawyer!!!

  • 10. DaveP  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:42 am

    Exactly. No turning back – we fight smarter, we don't stop fighting.

  • 11. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:42 am

    Good grief Felyx! I'm sorry to hear that!

  • 12. Bob  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:55 am

    @Felyx,,,,, are you saying you came out before you were ready because someone told you to??? I'm encouraging people to come out,,,, but also state that some may not be ready ,,,, it's a matter of individual strength and personal decision,,,,
    wow, you like many others have experienced job discrimination,,,, me too,,,, thanks for fighting,,,,,, and learning lesssons,,,,,

    I also have lost family, and inheritance,,,, my losses are nothing,,, friends have been unlawfully arrested detained and charged,,,their names printed in local papers,, talk about coming out before you're ready,,,, labelled as found in's,,, leaving their jobs and homes to move to restart lives, cause after having thier name printed in the papers in such a scandal they couldn't return to face further discrimination at work,,,

    I have friends that have died for the cause,,,,, personally my loss cannot compare,,,,,, sorry for your struggles,

  • 13. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 25, 2011 at 6:05 am

    I got outed 3 years ago by a gay friend at work when we were visiting about what sort of domestic activities we like to do with our partners (like shopping, holding hands watching TV together, etc) via company instant messenger. He replied to me but instead of just reply to me…broadcast to our whole team about 20 people. In horror he told our boss what he had done… I wasn't bothered much. and my boss didn't make a big deal about it…..but have one co-worker who will still not talk to me…and others were very deliberate about not engaging me. I mentioned this to boss…who said this conservative co worker is handling his feelings by silence…which is the best he can do. Another coworker didn't talk to me for a whole year, but now things seem good between us….its tempting to be resentful to some but not worth my energy or care…..Like RuPaul Says if someone judges you…"Its none of your Damn business what some thinks about you!"

  • 14. Felyx  |  February 25, 2011 at 6:21 am


    Was I ready?

    My dad is almost into his 7th decade and he still has reservations about upsetting people he has known all his life. Instead of dissecting the phrase I will just say that I am not going to go around in life regretting it. I can't say that I caused any changes but I know that I am changed and am resolved to continue to be honest. In my last job interview I specified that I was gay and requested a copy of the non-discrimination policy (which was supposedly available). I was reminded that NC is a right-to-work be fired without consequences state.

    Times are changing. I have solid family now. I can last and have the resources behind me to wait it out.

    Was I ready? Who knows…

    I'm ready now.

  • 15. Bob  |  February 25, 2011 at 6:58 am

    Felyx,,,, READY NOW!!!!!!! is all that matters,,, just got e-mail from E-Qulity,,,,,, re the labout movement in Wisconsin,,,and how we could join in their actions,,, this gets to the heart of job discrimination we''re talking about,,,, also,,,coaltions for real American Values,,,, labour unions have always been staunch advocate of human rights for the LGBT community..

  • 16. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 26, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Bob, I am glad you have shared your struggles with us. I do not see our struggles as cause for comparisons; I see them rather as tools for enlightenment and reminders to those who are just now reaching the age where they are joining our fight for full civil and human rights, so that they will know how the battles have gone and learn from them so that they can help us assure that history does NOT repeat itself, and so that they can help enlighten others about all of the various forms of discrimination, hatred, bigotry, assaults, and murders that have been committed against us. Our struggles are different and yet they are the same in their effect on us as a community, in that they are used to oppress us and hold us back.

  • 17. Carpool Cookie  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:38 am

    "I think we’re well past the point in history where a persons role as leading lady would be lost due to sexual orientation,,,,"

    I don't agree, or else you'd see half the actors and actresses in Hollywood come out. And they're not. Anne Heche had to switch over to television, when he job before that had been kissing Harrison Ford.

    Of course I've always wanted everyone to come out, but when there are financial and career repercussions, it's not my job to give them directions to the unemployment line. That's for them to decide.

    (I don't include closeted people who work against gay rights in that list, of course. They need to be outed no matter what, because they're doing direct damage.)

  • 18. Maggie4NoH8  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:05 am

    Yes, I agree…

    I recently declined a position in Florida (after they stretched 20% to meet my minimum salary and other bene's) because the company did not offer domestic partner benefits, or non-discrimination policies.

    They didn't quite know what to say – this after they flew me cross-country twice, and I had met with all the CXX's twice!

    They probably won't change their policies anytime soon, but I hope they will remember WHY their chosen candidate declined.

  • 19. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:55 am

    Bold move M. during a down economy. Good for you!

  • 20. grod  |  February 25, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Would you accept a small modification: An important thing we can do is come out. An equally important thing that can be done is for those who are out, to be more visible. Moreso, if you are a couple. At work. in stores, in neighbourhood, and in church and in political parties.

  • 21. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 26, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    @grod, I agree. Of course, my husband and I go everywhere together unless he is driving my mother-in-law on her rounds when she is not working at our local Roses. Yes, my mother-in-law, who retired from Sears with 35 years, was retired for all of 6 months when she went to work at Roses, and she has been at Roses for 26 years now. BZ even helps me with my Scentsy business. And it really does change minds, hearts, and attitudes. It is so hard to demonize and "other" any class of people when you are actually able to put faces and names to members of that class or group!

  • 22. Rhie  |  February 27, 2011 at 6:07 am

    Yes, it does. I had grown up hearing about gay people were a threat to kids and didn't really want to get married and all that crap.

    Then I actually talked to people who are gay and bi and transgender. It took all of one conversation for me to realize my church was cracked.

  • 23. ns  |  March 1, 2011 at 7:05 am


    That's what holding hands is for! I absolutely love smiling sweetly at the baffled teens who stare curiously, and when a stranger grins at us it makes my day.

  • 24. RAJ  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    The DOMA announcement is still fresh and raw for religious conservatives. Let's see what the landscape looks like in a few weeks once the hyper-ventilating has died down. I think the vast majority of US citizens don't care all that much about this issue. At the same time, we would be well advised to never, NEVER underestimate the power of fear-mongering and smearing to take their toll on our ability to make gains.

  • 25. Sheryl Carver  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:07 am

    I agree with you, RAJ!

    And strongly second your warning to never underestimate the ability of unscrupulous power-hungry individuals to inflame otherwise good people to do bad things. We MUST be ever vigilant, never complacent.

  • 26. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    blah blah blah……@ anti-equality huffing and puffing..
    lol @ don’t give a flip

  • 27. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Do the cher flip too!

  • 28. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:53 pm


  • 29. Ed Cortes  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Doin' the hair flip

  • 30. Mark M - Seattle  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:35 am

    Don't forget the tongue :-)>

  • 31. bJason  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    It will be interesting to see what the DOJ has to say in their DADT brief that is due today.

  • 32. Kathleen  |  February 24, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    The thing I've found the most notable about all the statements from the professional bigots is that no one (that I've heard) has mentioned anything about federal benefits. All the hyperbole has been about how states are going to be forced to recognize other states' marriages and have same-sex marriage "forced" on them. Yet, as we all know, the court cases at issue here have to do with section 3 – recognition of marriages for purposes of federal benefits of "same-sex couples whose marriages are legally recognized as legal under state law." (from Holder's letter)

  • 33. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:02 am

    I guess they realize their supporters read nothing but what they write, so to keep with their 'scare tactics' they will never write about that. Then their base would know the truth.

  • 34. Cat  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:56 am

    I'm under the impression even the Tony Perkinses and Brian Brownses of this world don't read the material that they are railing against, let alone their followers. It just muddles the fear mongering with facts, which almost always defuse the arguments put forward.

    Input: long well written, balanced, legal briefs. Output: Dictator Mubarak Obama ordered DOJ to stop enforcing DOMA.

  • 35. fiona64  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:55 am

    Actually, we've had evidence that Brian Brown and Louis Marinelli (Hi, Louis!) read this blog regularly.


  • 36. allen  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:39 am

    You also note that they want to believe that enforcing and defending are the same thing. When they are told Obama and his department will continue to enforce, they ignore that fact and continue to state that he refuses to enforce.

  • 37. Ronnie  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:04 am


  • 38. Hank (NYC)  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:17 am

    NOM and the other professional bigots (love that phrase) want keep the nombies and sheeple from knowing there are actual real and tangible federal benefits attached – they can keep the focus on the religious and other bigotted double speak.

    It has always been their way to hide the truth in such fine print it never gets noticed. Unforuntately – this group doesn't understand that in actuality there are multiple truths and that agreeing to disagree is a great option in the world of Freedom.

  • 39. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:30 am

    professional bigots

    I've decided this is their job description and now use it whenever possible.

  • 40. Andrew_SEA  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:22 am

    I think NOM needs to change the name of their organization. They are not the National Organization for Marriage.

    Instead, I suggest the following name:

    Christian Republicans Against Progress.

    Or – CRAP, if you will.

    I think this name embodies exactly what their actions are. The current 'For Marriage" component in their name would assume a positive of supportive view of SSM.

  • 41. Andrew_SEA  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Apologies… further thoughts….

    No – that warm steaming cup of something is not coffee.

    It is the latest press release from CRAP!

    Chock full of biological waste freshly regurgitated from the bowels of a fellow American citizen what demands the right to segregate others legally and feels it is correct to do so based on their religious belief system.

  • 42. Rev. Will Fisher  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:47 am


  • 43. Ronnie  |  February 27, 2011 at 1:49 am

    Word…. ; ) …Ronnie

  • 44. Tony Douglass In Ca  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:25 am

    This just tweeted from Freedom to marry:
    @freedomtomarry freedomtomarry
    LIVE AT 10 EST- Our Political Director @seaneldridge will debate #DOMA w/ NOM's Brian Brown:

    Link is to live feed of FoxNews Online

  • 45. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Drat. missed it. Did Brian wear his usual smirk?

  • 46. Rob in CA  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Yes, Kathleen, Brian wore his usual smirk. The person who represented our point of view, I forgot his name, was excellent. Brian spouted their tired, old arguments, nothing new there but our side got the last word after Brian went into a rant about the democratic process and the states which have put the question to a vote, blah blah blah … our side pointed out the action in the MD legislature yesterday by duly elected representatives of the people. The fox news moderator actually seemed quite balanced in her questioning of the two participants, more so than seems to be the case usually on that network.

  • 47. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:58 am

    Thanks for the recap Rob.

  • 48. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:59 am

    Thanks, Rob.

    According to the tweet above, that was Sean Eldridge of Freedom To Marry. (He and Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes recently became engaged.)

  • 49. Tony Douglass In Ca  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Yeah, I missed Brian too, now its just other religious nonsense. Once again missing the differences between religious marriage and civic marriage.

  • 50. JoeRH  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:41 am

    I wish the right would stop referring to LGBT as a "culture". It's not a culture. For example, when you talk about hispanic culture, are you talking about hispanics themselves or things similar or equal to hispanic culture? I can do things that pertain to hispanic culture, but I'm white. Culture is about actions and characteristics. LGBT is an actual person. I guess it's just another way for them to think of us as mere objects so they can sleep better at night believing they never hurt an actual human being. If they admitted that, they would be betraying their religions because they're not supposed to judge and I'm sure it's made clear that you should not be attacking people. I wish God really did strike people with lightning…

  • 51. Cat  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:20 am

    Please add "life style" to that list of words. Being gay is not a life style, you just are. Spending your retirement in a golf course resort home is a life style. Being married with kids and two jobs is perhaps also a life style. All these life styles can be (or should be) equally accessible by straights and gays.

  • 52. JoeRH  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:34 am

    It's another way for them to deny that we ARE gay and not just ACTING gay. People who say that are usually the ones who cling to the fact that there is very little biological proof of someone's sexuality. Who believe "therapy" of some sort can change you in a positive way. Nevermind the fact that there have been gay people throughout history, or that every. single. country has people who identify as being gay. Even in countries where being gay means your death or imprisonment!! These people are so damn ignorant that they don't even think, "Hey, there sure a lot of gay people out there, so maybe it isn't a "lifestyle" or "culture," but rather something that JUST IS."

  • 53. Ed Cortes  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:41 am

    One of the main issues for H8rs is that they DON'T THINK!! They just do what they're told.

  • 54. Carpool Cookie  |  February 25, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Correct. I always have this weird image when I read “The Homosexual Community”, as if all LGBT live on the same street somewhere, having cookouts, garage sales and block parties together every night.

  • 55. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:59 am

    And here in the Fayetteville area, the name of that community is listed on the maps as Haymont, but it is more commonly known as Gaymont. I kid you not. And Gaymont has the highest property values in Cumberland County. Leave it to the Rainbow Tribe to beautify and gentrify a neighborhood and raise the values!

  • 56. Mark M - Seattle  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:19 am

    That sounds like FUN….I wanna live there please 🙂

  • 57. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:20 am

    That was my thought exactly, Mark. I was wondering how I get an invite!

  • 58. Bob  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:22 am

    funny that is finding the words to define us,,,,, in Canada it was the word COMMUNITY, that galvanaized the LGBT (community),,,,, most of us struggled with that notion in the beginning,,, but it gave us strength, and in the end other people found it easier to identify with us as community,,,, and other minorities,, joined us under that banner,,,,
    from our archives,,, one story with which I strongly identify was a gay man who said when he first heard us being described as community he said how could that be,,, most of us (men) only know each other from the waist down,,, and we laugh about that now,,,, we got our strength and still do from being referred to as community,,,,we came together as community and joined forces, gay lesbian, and it's from the strength of that core group we confront ongoing battles

    we have many minority communities in Canada,, East Indian community,, Egyptian community,,, Chinese community,, Polish community,,,, on and on,,,, these minority communities do sometimes have certain segments of the city like China town,, or little India, where people congregate for social events etc, but they live everywhere,,,,,,, I lived near the Polish Community Centre, in Calgay,,,, and a Jewish Community centre in Vancouver,,,,,, people drive from far and wide to come together as community and on their special days, you couldn't find parking space ,,,, In Vancouver we have the gay and lesbian community centre,, in the gay village,,,,

    I like being defined as community, and all that it entails,,,,

  • 59. Carpool Cookie  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:47 am

    But the truth is, there is no actual "gay community". At least anywhere I've lived, in big cities. For one thing, what that once meant now includes gay-friendly allies. And for another, not all gay people are in touch with one another.

    I don't find the phrase offensive or anything…it's just inacurate and confusing. Do they just mean "gay people?" "LGBT people"? "…and their friends"? Or just "Enlightened People"?

  • 60. Bob  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    sad that is, that you've never actually experienced gay community,,,,, I know the trick here is the word gay,,,, so we moved to calling it LGBT community centre,,,, and for short most people just call it the centre,,,,
    but if you've ever been alone and frieghtened, needed a place to feel welcome and accepted,,, need support, for any reason,, community offers that,,,, if you're a teen on the street kicked out of home for your sexual orientation,,, or gender identity problems,,,,the centre offers support , counselling,, and even shelter,,, the elders at the community centre,,, are working on providing shelter for LGBT youth,,, seeing the danger they experience in regular shelters,,,,
    The city itself recognizes the village on Davie as home to the gay community,,,, a space where you can go ,
    I don't think that sense of community can be defined by which letter of the alphabet you respresent,,,, anyone can partake and feel that sense of community,,,, individuals decide if they wish to belong and often that decision is made at times of great need,,,,,
    personally I became depndant on that space of a few blocks where I saw reflections of my self,, and acceptance from others,,, that's where I felt safe to get connected with Dr.s , used the clinics,,, the people spoke my language, so to say,,, and the allies who often provided the services , well I knew they were there because they wanted to support me as a gay person,,, whole medical clinics sprang from that sense of community,,, looking out for each other,,,,
    In times of crisis, there is a spontaneous coming together,, that leaves one in awe at that sense of togetherness,,, remembering the brutal murder of Aron Webster,,, in one day the community was gathered, police were alerted, and there was a march of thousands on Davie street, our village home,,, which flies the rainbow flags on the street lights,,,, in that crowd at that time of mourning,, I defy anyone to say they did not feel sense of belonging and community….
    Working on Bill C389,, transgender rights,,, was born in that sense of community and much planning in the community centre,,,
    Every summer the queer, rainbow,,, gay ,,, LGBT, and anyone else especially allies floods that space (our community) and throws the most fabulous celebration,,,
    I defy anyone at that celebration to say they don't feel a sense of community,,,, just like when we go to China town for New Years Celebration,,, or the festivities in Little India, we experience and are welcomed to share their sense of community..
    Any sense of a gay person being attacked,,or harmed, or in need , the local drag queens are already planning a fund raiser,,,, they got ya covered,,,,

    Funny thing is,, I thought I had grown up,, and had healed my wounds that brought me to seek that protection within those few blocks,,, That community that nurtured me when I was broken, so that I could gain the strength to take my place and volunteer and welcome the next plerson who came through the door,,, whoever they were,,,, it was a big step to leave that safety net,,, and retire to the country,,,

    I now live in a very small rural community,,, and that sense of belonging and support is even stronger,, it includes everyone,,,, community looks out for each other a nurtures you,,, family emergency,, and the neighbours are there,,,, guess what,, inside this community,, is a gay community,,, we ge together for pot lucks, socials, and in this gay community,,, it is definetly not exclusive,,, in a small town when a party happpens everyone wants to come,,,, and they do,,,, the community that is Salt Splring Island, acknowledges and supports what they refer to as their gay community,,,, we have a film festival in March and this year we have the largest selection of gay films ever,,, the community home care team, keeps a list of gay volunteers in the case where an older member may request home support from a gay person,,,,
    I stronly sense community,,,I'm very glad I do,,, cause for many younger years I had no sense of belonging,,,

    I would welcome other people to share there stories and thoughts on community,,,,

    Not all gay people are in touch with one another,, and many don't choose to connect on that basis,,, and never have a need to,,, I have friends who live in the woods, who's closest friends and sense of community are their neighbours,,, but they always ask for a copy of X-tra west, when I return from the city (that's the local LGBT rag, oh they find their way to keep informed of what's happening in their community.)

    Truth is sense of community is what gives us the stregth to stand up and fight these battles,,,, it would be impossible for each individual to do it alone,,,,, think of it,,, in many ways it's oppresion that brings us together and defines us,,,

  • 61. Bob  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    feeling dumb, for that long post,,,, obviously I'm a little crazy from spending to much time in the gay ghetto,,,,,, fell for the bait

    The truth is there is no actual "gay community" sorry I took the bait!!!

  • 62. Mackenzie  |  February 25, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Even tough I highly doubt the credibility of such an article being from FRC…..let them try. If they want to see people leave their hate fest in droves, be my guest.

  • 63. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:03 am

    UPDATE Golinski v. OPM

    The Court issued an Order to Show Cause in response to the DOJ's statement that it will no longer defend DOMA sect 3. The Court asks the government defendant to clarify its position in the case. I particularly like this question "(4) On what basis can OPM defend its position to decline to extend benefits in a case in which such declination was based on the defense of unconstitutional legislation?"

    For those who aren't familiar with the case, here's background:

  • 64. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:04 am

    Good Overview of current events:

    State Of Equality Round-Up: February 21-25, 2011

  • 65. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Excellent they way they recap ALL the states this week. I didn't realize that much had been going on.

    Thanks Gregory!

  • 66. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:33 am

    UPDATE Perry

    Motion to Intervene by Chuck Storey, County Clerk for Imperial County:

    I guess Delores didn't get re-elected.

  • 67. Ann S.  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:37 am

    Wasn't she only the Deputy Clerk, though?

  • 68. Carpool Cookie  |  February 25, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Someone has to do a Lifetime Movie of the Week on Dolores some day. What IS her story???

  • 69. Elizabeth Oakes  |  February 26, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Well, if we could FIND her, we could ASK her.

  • 70. Kate  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:38 am

    Uh…… wasn't it already decided by the 9th that Imperial County couldn't intervene???

  • 71. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Hi Kate! transcribed a video for you. see comment 36. I was curious how you know these women?

  • 72. Kate  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:53 am

    Gregory, you are an absolute treasure! Thank you so much. What a sweet thing to do. I know Karin from when she lived up this way for a while; I've never actually met Judy.

    Ann, a merit badge for Gregory, please!

  • 73. Kate  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:57 am

    Karin has a fascinating history, starting with escaping Nazi Germany during the war as a child and ending up in Britain.

  • 74. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:06 am

    OMG! I was especially drawn to Karin…she has a quiet, beautiful presence and strength about her… this additional insight gives more meaning when Karin lovingly looked to Judy and said:
    Its time to tear down the wall that stands between…

  • 75. Kate  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:09 am

    What an insight, Gregory — I didn't even think of that. While they were escaping, she actually saw her aunt shot in front of her.

  • 76. Ann S.  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:10 am

    Gregory, you are hereby awarded a merit badge for performance Above and Beyond. Please wear it with Pride!

  • 77. Kate  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:12 am

    Her birth certificate is quite the document — you should see it. It's stamped all over with Nazi symbols and verifies the "purity" of her birth. I told her she could sell it on eBay for a small fortune.

  • 78. Gregory in Salt Lake  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:19 am

    tx Ann! and Thank you Kate for sharing….Karin's story is EXACTLY what I needed to hear…to be reminded the difficult roads (much harder than mine!) others have traveled. Its easy to become self-absorbed : /

    Thank you and BLESS all you dear persons who have sacrificed and suffered in this quest for equality!

  • 79. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:11 am

    The Court decided the Deputy Clerk from Imperial County can't intervene; they didn't come to a conclusion about whether the actual Clerk can intervene, because the actual clerk wasn't trying to. I guess with the recent election, they got someone in the office who's willing to go along with them.

    We'll have to see what the Court has to say about this. They might just decide that the time to request intervention has passed.

  • 80. Bill  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:29 am

    I suppose the question could be booted to the CA Supreme Court as to who actually represents the interests of the State of California. The county clerk is only acting on a ministerial duty of the state.

    Perhaps the prop 8 case could be like the Charles Dickens one of Jarndice v. Jarndice, as one of his plot points about a inheritance case that goes on so long, there is nothing left to decide (in Dickens, the attorneys have billed the estate dry).

    While I can see why parties want prop 8 to be decided, I'd argue that the CA Supreme Court will eventually have to decide who does represent the state interests in ALL cases. I"m pretty sure that all initiatives after this will have a clause on representation for the group that proposes them for the ballot. I'm not sure that is a good public policy view.

  • 81. Tony Douglass in CA  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:00 am

    What really SHOULD happen, is to have all ballot initiatives have to pass a constitutionality test before even being put ON the ballot!!!! I know that is the case in other states, but Cali needs to get on the ball!!

  • 82. Kate  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:38 am

    So they can keep electing different people and filing to intervene until they win?

  • 83. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Isabel Vargas was the Deputy Clerk who tried to intervene. Remember Judge Hawkins asking the question, "Where's Delores?" Delores Provencio was the County Clerk in December.

  • 84. AnonyGrl  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:48 am

    What astounds me, having just read Storey's motion to intervene, is that Robert Tyler, from Advocates for Faith and Freedom, who was THOROUGHLY SPANKED by the 9th Circuit judges when he tried to put Vargas up as an intervenor, is back for a second helping.

    The brief reads basically exactly the same, but there is a nod to "OK, fine, this guy is the CLERK, not the DEPUTY".

    /start of sarcasm

    The part I love reads "[T]the responsibility [is] on the County Clerk to ensure that the statutory requirements for obtaining a marriage license are satisfied." It strikes me that CURRENTLY the clerk must determine that the couple contains one man and one woman. If they both come wearing dresses or suits, how is the poor clerk to proceed? It seems that this condition makes the clerk's job more onerous and difficult. If, however, that requirement is REMOVED, and the clerk must merely assertain that there are two PEOPLE seeking a license, do you see how much EASIER his job gets? That being the case, I would hope that Storey would be in favor of marriage equality, since Prop 8 is causing him the potential harm of guessing wrong about the sexes of any particular couple.

    /end of sarcasm

  • 85. Carpool Cookie  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:49 am

    "What astounds me, having just read Storey’s motion to intervene, is that Robert Tyler, from Advocates for Faith and Freedom, who was THOROUGHLY SPANKED by the 9th Circuit judges when he tried to put Vargas up as an intervenor, is back for a second helping."

    Maybe someone keeps a tight little leather bodysuit in their closet??

  • 86. Maggie4NoH8  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:15 am


  • 87. Elizabeth Oakes  |  February 26, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Not only that, it may actually RELIEVE some of the burdens of Imperial County by bringing in some revenue. The CA marriage license forms are already conformed to accommodate same-sex as well as straight couples, so there are no additional costs or set-up fees here.

    The only possible "harm" might be that they won't have anyone to clerk at the public windows if they all refuse to serve same-sex couples due to personal beliefs, and Chuck may have to do it all himself and his widdo feet might hurt.

    But keeping County staff in line with state directives about serving couples equally is Chuck's JOB. And when that directive comes down the pike after a federal court order, he'd better be ready to comply toute suite, or some enterprising young lawyer's going to have every same-sex couple in Imperial County at those service windows in advance of a civil discrimination lawsuit that includes a hefty request for damages.

  • 88. Dave A  |  February 25, 2011 at 1:52 am

    Why does this seem to remind me of the movie Groundhog Day, where they try to keep doing the same thing over and over until they get it right?

  • 89. JoeRH  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:26 am

    Chuck Storey must be an extremely pathetic individual to put his name out there as a valid reason for the courts to uphold discrimination. Mr. Storey needs to be shot by a firing squad. Obviously he's wasting his life anyway if attacking families is something he needs to go out of his way to do. Yeah yeah, violence is bad, but fucking with families you don't even know is WORSE. He's proving just how toxic his existence is to our society.

  • 90. AnonyGrl  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:49 am

    It might be interesting to see who donated to his election campaign… and to explore the possibility that they donated to his bank account directly.

  • 91. Elizabeth Oakes  |  February 26, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    I'd just remind Chuck, on a friendly basis, that the day after Kern County suspended its civil wedding ceremonies so they wouldn't have to perform same-sex weddings (though they said it was due to financial burden, uh-huh) Kern County burst into flames. God Hates Haters, apparently:

  • 92. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:10 am

    “The ripple effect nationwide will be to galvanize supporters of marriage,” said staff counsel Jim Campbell of Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative legal group.

    But not in the way he thinks! 😉

    Then again, look at how DADT repeal is still front-page news and galvanizing the nation…oh wait, it's NOT.

    I've been trying to understand the implications of DOMA repeal myself, so I want to make sure I've got it straight. I always thought that without Section 3, legally married same-sex couples get their federal benefits and recognition; no impact on the states where SSM is illegal. If the legally married same-sex couple move into another state where SSM is illegal, they are now under the dictates of that state again (Section 2, which no one seems to be challenging). I guess never mind that this violates the Full Faith and Credit Clause, but OK. Bottom line, it would have no impact on states where SSM is illegal, even when a legally married same-sex couple moves there…correct?

  • 93. Sagesse  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:02 am

    I would add that domestic partnership laws would come under stress if a couple is married they get federal benefits, if they are restricted to domestic partnership they don't. Suddenly, separate is a lot less equal.

  • 94. Bill  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:36 am

    I think it depends. I'm not sure if marriage status is determined by the state in which you live. I think there was some discussion that the feds left the determination to the state in which the employee lived. There are various definitions as to who can marry–1st cousins for example, or common law marriages that vary by state.

    There was some discussion about how the courts had evolved a way when differing racial marriages were the issue in the 40's or 50's as how the states would handle gay marriage.

    As I remember, marriage is not a judicial act so a state does not have to recognize a marriage between 1st cousins or a common law marriage, for example, for a straight couple. Divorce is a judicial action, however, and states do have to recognize that (at least for straight couples).

  • 95. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:50 am

    A good summary of where the various DOMA cases stand:

  • 96. New  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:54 am

    Thank you Kathleen! I'm reading them all and anxious for more of your own analysis and inputs.

  • 97. Gelz209  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:54 am

    "I don’t think by any stretch of the imagination the tables have turned on this issue. People in this country know what marriage is"

    That's right Brian!!! People in this country are understanding and logical! We understand that marriage is between to individuals joined in a contractual and loving union recognized by the state!

  • 98. Felyx&Kevyn  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:17 am

    " Eve Conant and Daniel Stone: Obama Drops Gay Marriage BombGay marriage opponents see one member of Congress as their potential savior. “We trust that Speaker Boehner and the Congress will appoint a special counsel to do the job the Department of Justice refuses to do,” says Mineau. An email blast to 20,000 supporters in Massachusetts alone is urging them to call and email the speaker’s office."

    Article Here

    I think there should be an equal movement by Courage Campaign and other allies to provide our voice to Boner on this matter. For some very explicable reason the hate side seems to always get a voice on matters. We should take this opportunity to let Congress know that there is a vocal opposition to this craziness. Certainly I think that the Repug party will take this up but it helps to let them know that it will receive lots of opposition.

    FYI Boehner's number is (202) 225-0600.

  • 99. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:17 am

    I agree. Perkins, Dobson, et al., will find a very different uprising in the GOP than what they are expecting. They are no longer representative of the mainstream Republicans that I have benn running into lately, and they are especially out of touch with the younger generation of Republicans, as represented by Meghan McCain and Barbara Bush the younger. I have been meeting younger Republicans who say that the Tea Party is ruining the GOP because the Tea Party faction has forgotten that with true conservatism, you are doing what you can to conserve money, which in turn leads to being more liberal socially so that you remove the government from people's private lives. This is what our younger generation of conservatives sees as being wrong with DOMA, on top of its being unconstitutional. They see DOMA as a waste of money because it places the government in people's private lives and in their bedroom. And they rightly see that with DOMA as a precedent, that other laws could be passed that would have the government taking over other aspects of everyone's private lives,, and therefore waste more taxpayer dollars that are not even there!

  • 100. gaydadtobe  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:31 am

    Check out this latest headline from The Onion

    Marauding Gay Hordes Drag Thousands Of Helpless Citizens From Marriages After Obama Drops Defense Of Marriage Act

  • 101. Kate  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:37 am

    Shall we place bets on how long it takes for NOM to post this to their minions as reality?

  • 102. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:41 am

    lol….I bet half of them believe the Onion is a real news site. I won't take the bet!

  • 103. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:54 am

    You mean they haven't posted it on the NOMblog yet? They are really getting to be slow on the uptake, aren't they?

  • 104. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:01 am

    This is brilliant! The only way to know it's not written by Bryan Fischer is that there's no reference to "sodomites" or "natural marriage." And I don't know how you can tell it wasn't written by Peter LaBarbera:

  • 105. Maggie4NoH8  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:43 am

    Interesting! I worked for a faith-based healthcare system and they have this site blocked as a "hate site"…

  • 106. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:24 am

    Nice to hear it! They're on the SPLC's list of anti-gay groups designated as hate groups.

  • 107. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 25, 2011 at 3:53 am

    Leave it to the Onion to make such a blatant satire about it! They always make me laugh!

  • 108. Greg  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:13 am

    Encouraging article from the NY Times:

    Gay Marriage Seems to Wane as Conservative Issue.

  • 109. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:35 am

    Thanks for this, Greg. I love how Mike Huckabee has become the anti-gay standard bearer. Surprised Pawlenty hasn't made a bigger deal out of it, since he seems to be courting the far right.

  • 110. up&Adam  |  February 25, 2011 at 7:19 am

    I enjoyed the article, Greg, though I'm not so sure of the coined phrase "the wedge has lost it's edge." Instead, I think it may well have sharpened it. It's so refreshing to have an intellectual in the White House, whether this DOMA announcement is a shrewd political maneuver or not, when NOM and Family Research Council and their ilk get an unexpected jolt of equality, endorsed by both the Executive and Judicial branches of government in one-felled swoop as it were, then their myopic and obsessive prejudices are further exposed to the public eye, then the moderate leaning and even the non-committed conservatives will eventually see through the thin veil of absurdity against marriage equality. Our long patience has only strengthened our vigilance.

  • 111. AB  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:29 am

    If you think about it, the Obama administration's timing on this was nothing short of brilliant. He did it shortly after an election, so by the time that the next election rolls around (in 2 years) it will be ancient history (in politics time).
    The only concern is that if the economy doesn't make a turn around, then the Republicans can claim it is because he was too focused on social issues. But that doesn't make much sense given their recent, and renewed focus on abortion, and the fact that they control the house, so they will have just as much blame as the President.
    This is very well played.

  • 112. Straight Ally #3008  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:40 am

    I think it also reinforces that it was a good decision to let Congress repeal DADT, as painful as the wait was. I pleasantly surprised at what a non-issue that has become; even John McCain doesn't seem to care anymore.

    The one bad thing is that the right wingers are having a field day distorting what really happened – I'm already sick of the bogus "Obama isn't enforcing the law" argument, but it is running rampant. Don't lose the sound bite war, guys!

  • 113. Bob  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:59 am

    his timing is brilliant,,, however I'm not sure it was deliberate,, timining I mean,,, throwing his weight of the presidential office into ending discrimination for LGBT people,,, comes after much reflection on his part,,, from his statement, I'm convinced he studied the transcripts from the Perry tiral,,,, in order to so clearly weigh in on Immutable characteristics, hightened scrutiny, and that those things cannot be judged on moral or religious terms,,,, I think he arrived at that point and just made the statement,,, the fact that it happened know is good,,, cause when it comes to human rights the time is always NOW,,,,, and the question the republicans are left with, is do they support human rights or discrimination??? will they put they're efforts into fighting to continue discrimiantion , and breaking labour unions,,,, or will they work together to create jobs, and improve the economy,,,,

    the American people will have to decide which of those they choose,,,, to all the Rainbow Tribe, I say,, accept your freedom, drop the chains, try on a new wardrobe of human rights,,, collect your ensemble from Ronnie's fashion line, and strut your stuff,,, there is no going back from this place,,,,,,,

  • 114. Maggie4NoH8  |  February 25, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Actually Bob, I think his timing was deliberate on many, many levels.

    AND, it's also possible that his "evolving" views on marriage equality also mirrors and supports what's happening with many average Americans over the past couple of years.

    It's one thing to be POTUS and have a pro-equality position from the get-go, and be POTUS and really "think" about it, do some soul-searching, praying, etc and reach the conclusion marriage equality is the morally right thing.

    The first is a "left-wing extremist", the second is a reasoned and rational leader making sound decisions (pretty what we need the "moderate", average American Joe Blow do to do in this debate).

    Leading by example? Anyone?

  • 115. Bob  |  February 25, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Maggie4NoH8 I concur,,,, leading by example,,,,, and want to add his actions have fulfilled his outstanding obligation in a speach he made in run up for election,,,, I remember him saying,, he would do the right thing for the country, even if that cost him another term,,,,, I think he just did that,,,

    the timing is brilliant in the sense it hooks into the republicans attempts at dismantling the labour unions,,,,

    I believe Obama to the core of his being has always been pro-equality,,,, the evolving part,, was his study, research and backup on which to support his values, and when to make the pitch,,,,

    I concede re timing being deliberate,,, cause I love that idea,,

    He is the Leader America needs today,,,,

  • 116. Ronnie  |  February 25, 2011 at 4:29 am

    Here is the first official "It Gets Better" TV spot PSA featuring members of the cast from the Broadway adaptation of "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert

    Watch: First 'It Gets Better' PSA to Air in New York Region

    "In the 30-second spot, the actors Nick Adams, Tony Sheldon, and Will Swenson take turns offering encouraging words — 'All the greats were ahead of their time,' Mr. Sheldon says — and urging viewers to sign onto a pledge on the project’s the website. The pledge asks people to spread the message that 'everyone deserves to be respected for who they are' and promise to 'speak up against hate and intolerance whenever I see it, at school and at work.'………."


  • 117. JoeRH  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:49 am

    Anyone want to start that "pink mafia" thing? I'm SOOOO ready.

  • 118. Bennett  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:59 am

    Yes me, me, But what to do. Drive slow in the HOV lane day, have a spit bubble gum on the sidewalk day, remove all the toilet paper from Chick-fil-A day. Buy something from Best Buy or Target and return it the next day day(s). How about a couple hundred people pay visits to local churches and fill them to capacity (very respectfully) to get preached too? day.

    Oh, come to think about it, I have no idea with a "pink maffia" is.

  • 119. JoeRH  |  February 25, 2011 at 6:21 am

    For me it's more about taking people out and burying their bodies where they'll never be found. Obtaining funds by whatever means in order to further our cause. Basically having a significant amount of more power obtained through shadey, pretty much all illegal, things. In my opinion, we've been way too nice to these people. They need to see how dangerous a gay person can actually be. Forget about their sad-ass, fragile families; now they have to actually fight to stay alive.

    I most likely come off as someone who's sick in the head, but I just cannot take this crap anymore. I should be able to live somewhere where government does its job and we don't have members of it trying so hard to hurt people and families. I think we should divide the country in half. One half can be the right, who likes to live in the past, and the other can be everyone else who prefers progress and reason.

    You know, the opposition often looks to animals as a comparison when trying to debunk the concept of being born gay. What would a natural reaction from an animal be if their family is put in danger… Can't have it both ways you pathetic bigots, so don't be surprised if someone takes you out. After all, it's in our nature to defend ourselves.

  • 120. Bennett  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:40 am

    oh, that doesn't sound like a very good idea.

    It does, however, remind me of why it is important to not to sterotype. As can be seen here, all that is pink is not LGBT.

    Also of that "backup copy" petition scam. That is to say, alway verify the detail before you sign up. Otherwise, you might send you 10 dollars to an organization that proports to "protect marriange and the faith based communities that sustain it" only to find you are permanently on the mailing list of a recognized hate group.

  • 121. Richard A. Jernigan  |  February 26, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Same here. Just let me know so I can set up Skype calls!

  • 122. Bennett  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:52 am

    "happy" outrage
    happy "outrage".

    Perhaps they should throw a party to celebrate their newly found galvanizing outrage. This bonanza of new credibility after the leader of the free world denounces their bigotry.

    Hey, maybe Obama is the antichrist afterall. (sarcasm). Oh no, something else to celebrate, the end of the world if thats true! These people love to be martyrs, suffer (for Christ), judgment for the "wicked" (everything from GLBT Parants to woman wearing pants with zippers in the front) (oh oh, or those who listen to music with syncopated rhythms) (appearance of evil you know, imported straight out of those African heathen cannibal dances). Gee.

  • 123. Lesbians Love Boies  |  February 25, 2011 at 5:56 am

    Isn't the world supposed to start ending for Christians in May of this year?

  • 124. bJason  |  February 25, 2011 at 6:04 am

    And the hits just keep on rolling!!

  • 125. Straight Dave  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:34 am

    White House Press Secretary Jim Carney offers some clarification about what will and won't happen regarding DOMA. It really can't get much clearer than this.

    "The administration will not defend DOMA in the 2nd circuit (e.g. NY, CT). Furthermore, the president directed the Attorney General not to defend …. DOMA in any other circuit, in any other case (e.g. MA).

    The United States Gov't will still be a party to those cases in order to allow those cases to proceed so that the courts can make the final determination about its constitutionality."

    I interpret this as DOJ being confident that SCOTUS will agree with them and they want to force the issue in order to get it struck down nationwide.

    The only thing I don't yet understand is how they are going to get it to SCOTUS in the first place. If all the circuit courts agree DOMA is unconstitutional, somebody has to appeal that decision. That can't be DOJ, since they are planning not to defend it. Is it ethical (or legal) to appeal and then not offer a defense?

    Maybe they are hoping Congress will step up and volunteer to shoot themselves in the foot by continuing the case, only to eventually lose it. They may be betting that the GOP can't politically afford not to appeal. That's what some Conservatives seem to be saying.

  • 126. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Thank you for posting this, Dave.

    It wasn't clear from the original statement what the DOJ intended to do in the cases outside the 2nd Circuit; the statement allowed an interpretation that meant they would continue to defend in those jurisdictions where precedent required rational review. But then the letters filed yesterday in Gill and other cases seemed to be saying they wouldn't be defending in those cases either. So I'm glad to see this clear unambiguous statement.

    I'm not clear on what happens when it comes time to take these cases to the next higher court, either. I can't see how they can appeal a decision and then file a brief that says they agree with it. ?? Maybe someone at GLAD will offer insight.

  • 127. Bennett  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:49 am

    If your goal is to get the top floor, is it important who pushes the elevator button?

    Yes, it legal not to offer a very good defense. Otherwise the legal team for would be in jail (or on probation).

  • 128. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:53 am

    But we're not talking about just not offering a defense. In order to appeal a decision, it seems to me you have to claim to disagree with the decision. If your argument is that you agree with the decision, how do you appeal? I'm not sure about this, and will wait until I hear from those more knowledgeable than I am on this topic before opining more on it.

  • 129. Carpool Cookie  |  February 25, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Maybe they can appeal some specifics about a verdict….like, say there should have been a slightly different remedy?

    I'm just thinking like if I were watching a crime drama, or something.

  • 130. Ed Cortes  |  February 26, 2011 at 12:25 am

    So far, the H8 have been struck down, and I expect that the losers who want to keep them will continue to appeal. If the Gov't lawyers submit briefs stating that they agree with the lower courts decision, I would think that they are hoping each level to uphold the decision to strike it down. We have all seen how good their "arguments" are.

  • 131. Kathleen  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:58 am

    BTW, reading GLAD's statement on the Gill case, I see I'm not the only one who has some question about just where the govt stands on defending if the court determines rational review is the required standard.

  • 132. Rhie  |  February 25, 2011 at 9:49 am


  • 133. Michael Herman  |  February 25, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Galvanize supporters of marriage? Oh, yes they will, not a single one will vote for the GOP.

  • 134. pgbach  |  February 27, 2011 at 4:32 am

    In on act, President Obama put the GOP in the unwinning position of having to please the extreme teabaggers…. fortunately, they will nominate someone who cannot be elected…. thanks President Obama….

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