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Prop 8 proponents file appeal of Judge Ware’s ruling to release the Prop 8 tapes

Prop 8 trial

By Adam Bink

As expected, with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

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  • 1. Sagesse  |  September 23, 2011 at 6:10 am

    Ileana Ros-Lehtinen Becomes First Republican To Cosponsor DOMA Repeal

  • 2. Gregory in SLC  |  September 23, 2011 at 6:17 am

    Now that is GREAT news! Happy Friday! : D

  • 3. Ed South Bend  |  September 23, 2011 at 6:18 am

    Damn! you beat me to it LOL!!

  • 4. Alan_Eckert  |  September 23, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    It's rare that anyone can beat Sagesse with the links (aside from Ronnie that is)

  • 5. Ed South Bend  |  September 23, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    yes, but i had it copied and pasted……lol

  • 6. Paul  |  September 23, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Awesome news. The article has a picture of a rainbow flag which made me think of something I've been wondering for a long time. Is it time that we stop using the rainbow flag? The flag says "we are gay people", but what we need to be saying is "we are Americans and deserve the same rights". I always try to bring an American flag with me to proteststs, but I'm always seriously outnumbered. If all people see are images of gay people carrying rainbow flags and saying we are different, isn't that likely to be all that they see? Wouldn't a protests of thousands of people carrying AMERICAN flags and demanding equal rights have more impact on the average American? Isn't that the message that we want to send?

  • 7. Gregory in SLC  |  September 23, 2011 at 9:32 am

    a challenge with American flag is tea partly LOVES to wave it, from their homes, their cars, their clothing… I prefer the more colorful one.

  • 8. NYCBruce  |  September 23, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    There's a middle ground: a "stars and stripes" lookalike, with the traditional left upper corner star box, but multi-color (rainbow) stripes. I like this look, and it accomplishes what BOTH sides of the debate want: identity and unity with American ideals.

  • 9. Elizabeth_Oakes  |  September 23, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Or two flags. And glitter.

  • 10. Fluffyskunk  |  September 26, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    That flag is even worse than the rainbow flag. I physically wince every time I see it. It looks as if that's what The Scary Evil Homosexual Agenda™ wants to replace the American flag with. What's wrong with Old Glory?

    Regarding glitter, see my post below.

  • 11. Elizabeth_Oakes  |  September 26, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    I meant a rainbow flag AND an American flag. Guess I wasn't clear about that. Marriage equality supporters are Americans too and have every right to show it. Letting the fascist opposition "own" the American flag just compounds the marginalization problem. I say, take it back! We'll be a lot more successful reclaiming the Stars and Stripes then they've been "reclaiming the rainbow." At least we really believe what that flag stands for: liberty and justice FOR ALL.

  • 12. Fluffyskunk  |  September 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    And on that we're in perfect agreement. 🙂

  • 13. Tim in Sonoma  |  September 25, 2011 at 11:26 am

    I agree 100% I have said before (and got in trouble for it),I will say it again, If we want people to not look at us as being so different fom everyone else we need two American flags to every rainbow flag and we need to not show up to protest in drag! I don't see the need for the pride parades being full of way off the wall costumes and nudity! I believe we are putting ourselves out there for ridicule. Just sayin.

  • 14. Fluffyskunk  |  September 26, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    I agree with everything you said (and have gotten in trouble for it!) We ought to do away with this whole purported LGBTETC "culture" that has outlived its purpose and is only making matters worse anymore. I'm not saying people should stop doing it entirely, just don't make it about LGBT people. Invent your own name for all that stuff. Don't call it "gay" or "queer" or "LGBT" or anything like that, because it isn't. It has nothing to do with having, or hoping to have, or being able to have a same-sex significant other, or having a gender identity other than our biological phenotype or outside of the binary. Those of us in the LGBT "community" who don't, as a rule, look or act any different than the next person (other than having, or hoping to have, etc.) should not let the subgroup intent on making the rest of us look like freaks define who we are.

  • 15. AnyaAngie  |  September 23, 2011 at 6:52 am

    Slightly OT:

    "Closeted Climate In Harrisburg Prevents Gay Rights Bills"

    Unfortunate but true.

  • 16. Brett  |  September 23, 2011 at 6:53 am

    Question for someone who knows: Since the DIs have appealed the order, does this appeal also call into question the same standing issue as the appeal of the actual Prop8 ruling itself? If the CA Supreme Court rules that the DIs don't have standing to represent CA in an appeal, would that also apply in this case?

    This seems like a stall tactic to me. They obviously don't want the these tapes to see the light of day, but I think they would feel it a small victory to delay their release until the next election cycle is over so people wouldn't have the knowledge of them when considering their votes in North Carolina and Minnesota.

  • 17. Bill S.  |  September 23, 2011 at 7:21 am

    No because they are not appealing an order against the Governor and Attorney General, they are appealing an order regarding the trial court process which they participated in. So the standing issue is here is different and most likely fully in their favor.

  • 18. peterplumber  |  September 23, 2011 at 7:23 am

    But it IS still a stall tactic.

  • 19. Neil  |  September 23, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Wait, the Proponents participated? (eye roll)

  • 20. Mark M. (Seattle)  |  September 23, 2011 at 8:35 am


  • 21. Sheryl_Carver  |  September 23, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Well, from the live-blogging & the transcripts, it seems their witnesses participated for OUR side. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • 22. James Sweet  |  September 23, 2011 at 9:16 am

    I don't know if you can fully characterize it as a stall tactic… they might just win this one on appeal. Which is a shame, but not the central issue of course.

  • 23. Alan_Eckert  |  September 23, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    The proponents can possibly show "harm" where hard is a very loose term here.

  • 24. Ronnie  |  September 23, 2011 at 7:37 am

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  • 25. Kilgore Trout  |  September 23, 2011 at 8:22 am

    On what basis do they appeal? That doesn’t appear to be stated anywhere that I have seen so far.

  • 26. David  |  September 23, 2011 at 8:49 am

    They battle on fiercely, but they have lost this war and they know it. For that reason they are still dangerous, like a desperate, cornered animal.

  • 27. Kathleen  |  September 23, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Have you seen Maggie's new project? MarriageADA:

    The description reads like an article from The Onion:
    MarriageADA is described as a ”supportive community for those who have been threatened for standing for marriage, to nip the climate of fear being created in the bud, to expose for fair-minded Americans on both sides of the debate the threats being made, to conduct high-quality qualitative and quantitative research documenting the extent of the harm, to develop legislative and community proposal to protect Americans right to engage in the core civil rights: to organize, to vote, to speak, to donate, and to write for marriage.

  • 28. Ann S.  |  September 23, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    You're right about the Onion-like quality. If only they would put this kind of effort and resources into protecting LGBT youth and adults.

  • 29. Elizabeth_Oakes  |  September 23, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Yes, pretending to be victims again. Let's see those police reports, Maggie dear, and let's hear the "victims" repeat their stories under oath in court. Otherwise, I'm afraid every rational non-ideologue in the world will see this for what it is: a pathetic attempt to co-opt victim status from those who are quite regularly being literally beaten to death, not just boycotted or hollered at.

  • 30. Sagesse  |  September 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Can you run a 'fog index' on a sentence fragment? That quote is an assault on the English language.

    I followed the link. The full sentence is 92 words long.

  • 31. Kathleen  |  September 23, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    UPDATE: Perry

    Proponents' Emergency Motion for Stay Pending Appeal (appeal of order unsealing trial recordings)

  • 32. Kathleen  |  September 23, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    At the same time Proponents filed the ER Motion in 9th Circuit, they filed two motions in district court (Judge Ware):

    Motion for Stay Pending Appeal. There were attachments, but they appear identical to those on the 9th Circuit motion, so didn't purchase them through PACER.

    Motion to expedite above request:

  • 33. Phil Morse-Fortier  |  September 23, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    <3 Thanks for that. Seems they're making the same lame arguments again. Isn't that the definition of insanity?

  • 34. smileyjohnsen  |  September 24, 2011 at 10:34 am

    People need to start looking at the bigger picture here, Homosexuality is a Mental illness, a chemical imbalance in the brain. Under house of God Homosexuality is abomination in the eyes of god. (Just repeating religous people). See I personally have no issues if your gay or not, what i have an issue is you flaunt it everywhere. But reality is this your not broken your just fractured. Add super glue here to fix.

  • 35. Ronnie  |  September 24, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Nope, wrong….OTIO……. No "flaunting", just existing……. 8 / …Ronnie

  • 36. Bob  |  September 24, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Amazing that radical Christians have mental and medical health knowledge not known to any one else. Does delusion come before or after their adoption of faith?

  • 37. _BK_  |  September 24, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Dude. Seriously?

  • 38. Johnny Z  |  September 24, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    (Part 1) You have "no issues if you're gay or not"…but, that you have an issue is that we "flaunt it everywhere"??? Or really?? I go to work, every day, and I see pictures of my straight, co-worker's husbands or wives, boyfriends or girlfriends…and pictures of their children. I overhear them talking about their weekend, and things they did with their husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend/kids….or plans of things they are going to do together as a "family"…or visiting little Bobby's soccer game. Or, when their spouse comes to visit for lunch, they hug, kiss, and hold hands on their way out the door.

  • 39. Johnny Z  |  September 24, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    (Part 2) Yet, I feel prevented from saying ANYTHING about "MY life",…my life with my boyfriend for over 8 years…of our home together…and about our plans for the evening, or share an anecdote of the weekend we just had….I don't say anything for fear of being treated differently, for being looked at with disgusted eyes….or, worse…loosing my job,…where I'm the main bread-winner in our home. And you have "an issue with us flaunting it everywhere?????" Straights "flaunt" their lifestyles in our face EVERY DAY!! You best take a step back, Sparky, and re-examine your position on this issue and find a way to deal with and get over it!!!

  • 40. Elizabeth_Oakes  |  September 24, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Oh smileytrollyperson, I highly doubt you want to come here to point at other people's mental aberrations and abominations, dear. You're rather flaunting your own, and it's pretty clear to the rest of the world that those who make themselves busy demonizing gays are usually struggling with repressed same-sex attraction themselves. You're sounding an awful lot like George Rekers and Ted Haggard….and all those others:

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