FAIR Education Act: Randy Thomasson likens accepting schools to slaughterhouses
November 30, 2011
By Adam Bink
Via Jeremy Hooper, Save California’s Randy Thomasson likens California children to:
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Because they might learn about Billie Jean King, Bayard Rustin, Harvey Milk and the movement to end “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” when the FAIR Education Act begins to be implemented in January, if it’s not repealed at the ballot next November. Just wow.
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32 Comments
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Gregory in SLC | November 30, 2011 at 1:56 pm
"corrupting the morals of children used to be against the law"….oh brother! I think THEY are the ones corrupting morals….so delusional and ridiculous!
(from the radio broadcast from original site @ "Save California dot com")
http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=fc263a98bdef4…
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Carpool Cookie | November 30, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Ugh. That radio broadcast is almost like a satire. I can't believe people (like the 2 hosts) want to make their lives out of wallowing in such a hateful environment as that. I like this exchange – – –
RADIO HOST: So what they’re doing is, they’re desensitizing these young, little minds, they’re confusing them and they aren’t emotionally ready to receive and process this kind of information. Seems like a form of child abuse.
CALLER / “AUTHORITY”: You’re right. And every mother listening should be Mama Grizzlybear when it comes to their child being targeted for this mental molestation. Children’s brains are not actually fully developed until they are adults. You can see study after study finding that children do not have the reasonability to make wise decisions.
Well, this sounds like a good reason not to baptize children or bring them to church. Or certainly, Why they shouldn't be handed protest signs…
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Carpool Cookie | November 30, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Dammit…..I need my edit button back!!!!
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Gregory in SLC | November 30, 2011 at 5:36 pm
superbly articulated cookie!
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Reformed | November 30, 2011 at 7:37 pm
"I just will not have the government acknowledging the positve contributions of lgbt people at the same time that I am trying to imprint on their little minds at home and church how bad the lgbts are.
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Sagesse | November 30, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Overturning the FAIR act is very important to them. If this law stands, their entire argument "it will be taught to your children in school" becomes irrelevant. "IT" will be taught in CA schools regardless.
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Deeelaaach | November 30, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Sagesse,
I think I understand what you're saying, and I respectfully disagree with some of your post. I think it doesn't matter if their argument is relevant or not. To them this is not putting a finger in the proverbial dyke (no puns intended), it's about stemming an entire tide on all fronts. This might be a logical step toward defeating marriage equality, but as I understand it from my own Christian upbringing, this is only one battle of many, rather than the battle that will decide the war against evil that they see themselves fighting.
Also, the fact that education code was and still is separate from the right to marry did not faze them in '08, so why would it faze them now? Although the freedom and right to marry had nothing to do with education, they claimed that it did. I don't think that the fact that they are two entirely separate issues will deter those who discriminate from conflating education with the right to marry. Whether the opponents of marriage equality realize it or not, every time they conflate education with marriage equality (though they don't see it as equality), they are pouring gas on that particular emotional fire, intentionally or not. They're pouring gas on it such that it inflames themselves and those with similar views. Regardless, it has the same effect.
So no, I don't see that this will stop them at all. I doubt they'd even think of the fact that it's already part of the education code, and even if they did, they might choose to ignore that as part of their strategy. Hey, it's politics, and it's been done before by many and will be done again by many. It's disingenuous at best, but often the ends do justify the means in politics. So as I said, they didn't care about it in '08, so why should now be any different? If they are truly irrational on the subject of marriage equality, nothing will prevent them from making their spurious arguments, their spurious claims and their spurious legal attempts at stopping the inevitable from happening. Relevance really has nothing to do with it – that's an argument that has legs, and if one uses their head they'll see that. If one acts entirely on emotion or even passion, relevance is, well, …irrelevant.
I do agree with you though – this is an important battle for them, and I agree that the two items are not relevant to each other, but I don’t think it will make an iota of difference in their crusade against the LGBT. It’s funny – we should be able to appeal to their heads, but instead we have to appeal to their hearts. So it’s my personal opinion that they think not with their heads but with their hearts, and that’s not thinking at all.
Just my 0.000002 cents.
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Ronnie | November 30, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Well, that certainly should be enough hateful propaganda to win a lawsuit against him & the rest of his ilk…….. :-& … Subscribing & sharing……..
Premier of Ontario Dalton McGuinty Releases Anti-Bullying VIDEO: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/11/mcguinty.html
"Premier of Ontario Dalton McGuinty today released an "It Gets Better" video and announced the introduction of legislation as he met students at L'Amoreaux Collegiate Institute in Toronto."
<3..Ronnie:
[youtube 8tAzhbGHZrE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tAzhbGHZrE youtube]
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Sagesse | November 30, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Ronnie, you beat me to it. I heard this announcement was coming today.
Ontario is my home and I'm really proud of the way the provincial government is handling this issue. The province recognizes and funds Catholic schools (residents designate whether their school taxes go to the Catholic system or the public system) and is working to finesse how they are going to support GSA's in Catholic schools if the students want one.
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Ray in Sacramento | November 30, 2011 at 3:32 pm
The Traditional Family Values Coalition in Anaheim, CA has submitted an initiative titled "The Bipartisan Initiative to Restore Local School Board Control Act." Another smokescreen title that attempts to restore the Education Code to it's pre-SB48 language.
Here is a link their proposal: http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs…
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Straght4Equality | December 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Interesting that they want to remove religion as something that cannot be the basis of discrimination. I'm not sure I understand why.
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Ray in Sacramento | November 30, 2011 at 3:43 pm
The Committee For Parental Rights in Education submitted an initiative proposal signed by Richard Rios (will they never give up) entitled "Equality in Education Act" (another smoke screen title). This inititative would add the following language to Education Code 51240 "social science and family life". This would allow that any instruction in this area to be excused from the part of the instruction that conflicts with their religious training and beliefs.
http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs…
I guess for the religious right, ignorance is bliss.
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Straght4Equality | December 1, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Surely they could have found someone who could have written their obnoxious amendment better. It begins "Whereas, the public school system is responsible to educate our children in the basic education of reading, writing, and math…."
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fiona64 | November 30, 2011 at 4:36 pm
There is a literal, scientific reason for why this fearmongering nonsense *works,* folks. The conservative types have larger amygdalas — the reptile brain that reacts to fearfulness. http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/afp/healthpolitics…. There is no way to use logic with people who believe any scary thing they're told because of their brain structure. Their children will not die if they learn that Tchaikovsky was gay — but you can't convince them of that. Gawd.
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Gregory in SLC | November 30, 2011 at 5:19 pm
You certainly have a way of stimulating my "gray matter" (and my heart) ms. Fiona!
True story: When I was in high school (a "straight" 17-yr-old Mormon) I wanted to learn a piano concerto. My piano teacher sent me home with *100* vinyl records to review–so funny how now just go online–anyway, I spent an entire weekend listening to my heart and came up with Tchaikovsky 1st piano concerto performed by Van Cliburn which even now, 25 years later, the memory listening to his opening huge chords for the first time brings tears to my eyes…whew… I was so THRILLED when the manuscript arrived in the mail and practice was never boring on that piece. I never made the connection until this moment….amazing how our heart tells us what is good and true if we will only listen….more tears….
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Gregory in SLC | November 30, 2011 at 5:33 pm
then magic of youtube! I think I'm going to hyperventilate…deep breaths…
[youtube -M7M4UoqBpA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M7M4UoqBpA youtube]
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Bob | November 30, 2011 at 6:10 pm
goosebumps for me thanks Gregory,,,, truth wins out,,, it's a matter of heart connection,,,,,
NOMBIES are afraid of allowing individuals to follow their heart,, cause then they can't control thier minds……..
all the pain of ignorance is overcome by the sounds of truth and justice Brilliant, we need more of that,,,, bring TRUTH and BEAUtY,,, to confront, ignorance and fear…
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fiona64 | December 1, 2011 at 10:16 am
Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto #1 is a favorite of mine to play. Unfortunately, I have never mastered my *true* favorite piano piece: Chopin's Polonaise in A-flat major, Op. No. 53.
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fiona64 | December 1, 2011 at 10:19 am
http://youtu.be/iFvqvZOtCF0 – My embedding didn't work, obviously. Here's the link.
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juliecason (JC) | December 1, 2011 at 10:45 am
That's my all-time favorite, too, by one of my all-time favorite pianists! Thanks for the 7 minutes and 25 seconds of smiling.
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Gregory in SLC | December 1, 2011 at 11:38 am
I love that piece too! It's a beast to play it well! I spent some time on it but ended up learning/performing Fantasie Impromptu instead for a recital. You remind me of another piece I used "cry over" couldn't help weeping while playing…..
http://www.allpianoscores.com/free_scores.php?id=…
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Tasty Salamanders | November 30, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Well this sort of came out of no where, I never heard anything about it: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8382663/same-…
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Gregory in SLC | November 30, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Whoa! hope its accurate! I'm more of a fan of Minister Penny Wong after she "evolved" and now supports SSM.
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Tasty Salamanders | November 30, 2011 at 6:37 pm
I don't recall Penny Wong ever being against marriage equality, though I could be mistaken. But yeah with the Federal Labor Conference gearing up a lot of noise has been made about marriage equality here lately, but still I never heard anything about Queensland deciding to bring in Civil Unions. Personally I think the timing of the whole thing isn't a coincidence and was probably deliberately timed to bring more attention to the issue and put more pressure on the federal branch of the Labor Party.
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Gregory in SLC | November 30, 2011 at 9:03 pm
couple of things I was referring too….
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/married…
and
[youtube S9hM–P_9BQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9hM–P_9BQ youtube]
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Bay Area John | November 30, 2011 at 5:07 pm
I note that all their lambs are white….
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Gregory in SLC | November 30, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Indeed! As if black lambs don't exist, are dirty, evil or not as cute….
http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2011/04/black-sheep…
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Deeelaaach | November 30, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Ah, but to have a black sheep in there would be to tacitly admit that children aren't all alike. Meaning that they're not necessarily blank slates you can write anything on. And a black sheep in the family is never a good thing; I know, I'm the black sheep in mine. So maybe they can't have black sheep in their picture – it might be tacitly admitting that one of the "children" could *already* have different ideas, or might (gasp!) be already LGBT! Perish the thought!
Okay, I'm trying to make a funny but am doing poorly at it. Oh well!
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Gregory in SLC | November 30, 2011 at 8:58 pm
HUGS and LOVE to you (Baaaaaaa) Deeelaaach! Gregory
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Walter | December 1, 2011 at 7:41 am
Actually, we need to protect our children from right-wing religious cults.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/us/13bully.html…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwdeJuvcPs&fe…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abus…
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Martin Pal | December 1, 2011 at 12:24 pm
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This is my point when it comes to the political ads that we use to sway voters. We need to do what works. Now they’re using children AND animals to appeal to their voters. We need to show bashed gay children and show these people as the ones who bashed them. Where am I wrong?
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Martin Pal | December 1, 2011 at 12:27 pm
I was referring to fiona64’s first post:
There is a literal, scientific reason for why this fearmongering nonsense *works,* folks. The conservative types have larger amygdalas — the reptile brain that reacts to fearfulness. There is no way to use logic with people who believe any scary thing they’re told because of their brain structure.