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Washington State’s Marriage Fact Check takes on distortion of R74 in the September 25 debate

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By Scottie ThomastonGoal Thermometer

Last month we pointed to the new campaign fact-check effort by Washington United for Marriage, called ‘Marriage Fact Check’, that serves as an information source to rebut the claims coming from the anti-gay side of the fight to pass marriage equality in the state.

On September 25, a televised debate took place on R74, Washington state’s marriage equality initiative. Marriage Fact Check has written its report on the issues discussed. Unsurprisingly, the pro-“traditional marriage” side of the debate brought out the usual complaints about marriage equality. They said same-sex parents are worse. They said domestic partnerships are the same as marriage. They said business owners and churches will be legally affected by marriage equality.

The fact check of this debate is here. And the initiative goes to the voters this November. The latest poll on the initiative shows 55% supportive of marriage equality.


  • 1. bayareajohn  |  October 4, 2012 at 10:29 am

    I simply can't understand why we don't aggressively challenge the anti-gay marriage arguments that imply that preventing it will "protect" children from being raised in what they contend is a less than ideal gay family unit. This ignores the fact of many children already being raised in such units, without the protection, status, or legitimization of their parents being married. This lack of equal status potentially damages the children or heightens their exposure to bias and bullying. This turns their argument upside down.

    I know I don't want kids, but I want to be married. If you take the kids out of the argument, opponents to gay marriage quickly run out of things to say, and personal animus and religious tenants are exposed as the only reasons to withhold marriage. Since they know that those won't hold water today, they have to make it about children, and that argument MUST ignore the reality we are already in.


    I do NOT believe that this will result in attempts to reverse LGBT/Single adoptions any more than the Right already does…. and it nullifies the only argument that they get ignorant sympathy on …

  • 2. bayareajohn  |  October 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Every time someone says that same sex parents aren't as good as biological heterosexual parents, we MUST IMMEDIATELY ask is "Are MARRIED same sex parents better or worse than UNMARRIED same sex parents?". Unless they can find a way to argue that being married would make them WORSE parents, they must concede that parenting quality is a non-issue in marriage equality…

  • 3. specificplan  |  October 4, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Agree 100%. Someone in Washington state should sue the radio and TV stations for defamation for airing the ads. We shouldn't let them continue to make blatantly false statements.

  • 4. Seth from Maryland  |  October 4, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Marriage ads to hit Md. airwaves
    Public records indicate that the campaign to defend Maryland’s same-sex marriage law has purchased hundreds of thousands of dollars of airtime on local television stations ahead of next month’s referendum.

    Documents posted on the Federal Communications Commission’s website indicate that Marylanders for Marriage Equality has purchased $297,325 of air time on WBAL in Baltimore for 291 30-second advertisements that are scheduled to run from Oct. 10 through Nov. 6. FCC records further note that the campaign has also purchased $253,000.01 worth of air time on WJLA in D.C. from Oct. 29 through Nov. 6. Marylanders for Marriage Equality has also purchased airtime on WUSA in the nation’s capital, but documents filed with the FCC do not indicate a specific cost.

  • 5. Seth from Maryland  |  October 4, 2012 at 10:47 am

    an so it begains, i been getting ready for this for a while now, finally, the vote for 6 yards signs have come in , my wife and me are going to pick ours up today, and i know im not going to able to watch noms lying ads without getting real mad

  • 6. Seth from Maryland  |  October 4, 2012 at 10:53 am

    The anti-gay group Maryland Alliance has booked at least $93,000 in airtime on Baltimore’s WBAL for 110 30-second spots that will air between Oct. 8-Nov. 5. And that’s surely just a fraction of what it will spend.

  • 7. jpmassar  |  October 4, 2012 at 11:12 am

    The latest poll shows 55% support in Washington, but nowhere can I find the percent opposed! What a bizarre way to report a poll.

  • 8. Stefan  |  October 4, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    They should release the full results shortly. Regardless it's good news since it shows support for same sex marriage in Washington is holding firm.

  • 9. davep  |  October 4, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    But 55% in a poll figure is not good enough. That can easily translate to 45% at the ballot box. We have a lot more work to do!! Anyone in or near Maryland who has a little free time PLEASE call Marylanders for Marriage Equality NOW and volunteer some time and effort. They need your help. And if you can donate some money to them, please do so now!

  • 10. Seth from Maryland  |  October 4, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    yea i agree, we still got alot of work to do , but id say Washington's support is really great right now and the campaign is going really good, what im worried about is Minnesota and kinda Maryland , we going to have to do alot more then we are right now if we want to win

  • 11. Stefan  |  October 4, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    No poll this late in the game for Prop 8 or Question 1 showed support for same sex marriage as high as it is now in Maine and Washington. Remember too that Referendum 71 back in 2009 was polling at only 50% in October through Survey USA, the same poll used in this survey.

  • 12. Mike in Baltimore  |  October 5, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    If you had read the column linked in the article, and/or done any research, you might have found that the poll showed 55% in favor, 40% against, and 6% undecided (rounding gives a figure over 100%).

    And several studies have found that support for marriage equality usually goes down by about 7% from what the poll found, but the 'anti' marriage equality votes don't increase significantly. With a 15 point lead, it looks like the marriage equality vote will succeed in Washington state.

  • 13. W. Kevin Vicklund  |  October 6, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    It should be noted that you have to follow two more links before you get to the rest of the data, one of which is buried in the "Related Links" section.

  • 14. grod  |  October 4, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    This is a recent Survey USA poll done for King TV and reported in the Seattle Times on Oct 4. In early September Survey USA did a poll with a 56/38/6. Given Public Policy Polling president's advice regarding same sex marriage to group opposed and undecided as one, it would not be too far off the map to say that the split is approximately 55/45. Might it be confidently said that the supporters of civil marriage equality supporters remain steadfast. A good piece of news.

  • 15. Seth from Maryland  |  October 4, 2012 at 12:45 pm

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    heres the debate on ref 74 , our side did really well, infact i would say we won the debate, our side was on its game and was responed every single time to their lies

  • 16. Carpool_Cookie  |  October 4, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Interesting that when the panelists are each given 5 minutes for opening remarks…the moderator starts to move on after 3 have spoken…skipping over the sole woman entirely (!) Sexist is so deeply ingrained in our society that sometimes women are literally INVISIBLE, if they aren't serving up a pie or something : (

  • 17. Kate  |  October 5, 2012 at 7:18 am

    And even then, only the pie is visible.

  • 18. AnonyGrl  |  October 4, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    I think if I lived in one of those states, I would carry some literature around with me, and whenever I saw a lawn sign supporting the anti-side, I would pop a hand out in their mailbox, explaining clearly and concisely where the anti- and hate group stuff is lying. If I could, if I had time, I would deliver it by hand to those people. Because I think that education is the only way to change minds, and it works best in person.

    Here in NY, I lobbied senators, and taught some of them a thing or two as I did. So maybe we can teach people one at a time. Who knows?

  • 19. Mike Ho.  |  October 5, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    <img src=""/&gt; Where does it show that 55 percent support data? <img src=""/&gt;

  • 20. Mike in Baltimore  |  October 5, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    If you click the link, you'll be taken to the Seattle Times article:

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