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Holiday open post: Merry Christmas!


By Jacob Combs

2012 has been quite a year for marriage equality.  We had some incredible victories: Prop 8 was struck down by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and DOMA was declared unconstitutional by several courts across the country, including the Second Circuit.  We made history on November 6 by winning marriage equality at the ballot box in three states and we witnessed the election of the first American president to endorse equal marriage rights.

There were also some disappointments: North Carolina passed an anti-marriage equality constitutional amendment in May, despite the hard work contributed by many of us.  Judges ruled against equal marriage rights in Nevada and Hawaii.  DOMA still infringes upon the rights of thousands of duly married couples; we have still not secured legislation that protects people from being fired based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

But now we stand on the precipice of a new year, and a very exiting one at that.  The Supreme Court will issue landmark rulings on the constitutionality of Prop 8 and DOMA.  Advocates will continue to push for passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and ask the president to sign an executive order that gets us part of the way.  Marriage equality legislation is heating up in states like Illinois and Rhode Island.  And, of course, there are likely to be victories and set-backs that we can’t possibly predict.

We here at P8TT are so proud of what this site has become and the wonderful community that supports it.  We started liveblogging in a courtroom in California in 2010, and just three years later we’re now covering LGBT rights cases around the country with a level of detail that few other news outlets feature.  All of our readers are a huge part of that accomplishment–our Supreme Court Q&A this month was filled with thoughtful and provocative questions about what Prop 8’s fate will be next year at the high court, and we thank you for your support and engagement.

We’ll be taking the week off from normal blogging, although we’ll bring you any breaking news that might come up.  We’ll also be bringing back our Golden Oldies, featuring one post a day of the biggest news from 2012.  If you have a suggestion for a post you’d love to see again, please write us at [email protected].

To those of you who are celebrating this week, Merry Christmas and happy holidays.  Please share your holiday plans in the comments and we look forward to an exciting 2013!

The Team: Adam Bink, Scottie Thomaston and Jacob Combs


  • 1. Bob  |  December 24, 2012 at 9:06 am

    sorry off topic,,,,,

    If Piers Morgan gets deported for wanting fewer gun murders in the U.S. Canada wants him,,,,

    we gotta open a discussion about the second amendment ,,, to have a long a meaningful discussion of the sort we did to change hearts and minds around LGBT issues,,, this is a prominent discussion right now around our dinner tables in Canda,, about Americans,,, and we stand with Piers Morgan

  • 2. Bob  |  December 24, 2012 at 9:08 am

    calling on the LGBT community to take a meaningful role in these discussions,,,,,,

  • 3. Fluffyskunk  |  December 24, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    What does gun control have to do with marriage equality?

  • 4. Eric  |  December 24, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Disarmed gays are easier to bash and oppress?

  • 5. Fluffyskunk  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Damn straight. Pun not intended. 🙂

  • 6. Reformed  |  December 26, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Continuing this idea, you would think marriage equality would enjoy more right wing support. They could think about it in either in the context of "evidence" for other laws they might want wish to reinstate, or as an easy reference for "target selection". Ok, going to push the submit button before I consider the wisdom of this comment, or the lack thereof.

  • 7. Bob  |  December 24, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    how many people on this site own guns

  • 8. Fluffyskunk  |  December 24, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Coming from a family that has always kept guns for hunting and self defense, I strongly support Second Amendment rights and I respectfully disagree with that article.

  • 9. fiona64  |  December 27, 2012 at 8:51 am

    I am a good shot. We own guns. I grew up in a home of subsistence hunters.

    I STILL support improved background checks and mandatory waiting periods. When any 18-year-old yutz in Colorado (outside of Denver, which as a ban) can plunk down money and take home an AK-47 without a background check or waiting period, there is a problem. No civilian needs an assault pattern weapon. Period. Their sole purpose is for killing lots of people.

  • 10. Eric  |  December 27, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Colorado already requires background checks for all gun purchases.

    So nice of you to decide what is legitimate for other law abiding people to own. It reminds me of those that couldn't come up with any conceivable reason why sodomy between consenting adults should be legal in one's own home.

  • 11. MightyAcorn  |  December 28, 2012 at 8:20 am

    I can't think of any conceivable reason why a private citizen should be allowed to possess a weapon that's intended for military personnel only, especially when years of evidence show they're going to be misappropriated and used to tot up high body counts of innocent civilians.

  • 12. fiona64  |  December 28, 2012 at 9:49 am

    I am referring to a nationwide policy of background checks and waiting periods, as opposed to the current hodgepodge across states that we have. BTW, the background check in CO must be less than six months old, because the last time I checked the laws, there was no such requirement in Colorado. I checked in the wake of the Aurora shooting. Why? Because I was unfortunately concerned (until the shooter's name was revealed) that the perpetrator was my husband's whackjob, white Supremacist nephew — who lives in Colorado, and was thrown out of the military for being mentally unstable. He is also a possessor of multiple assault weapons. The only place in Colorado where you cannot purchase such a weapon once you are 18 is Denver, which has a ban.

    And please, do tell me what "legitimate purpose" a law-abiding citizen has for keeping an assault weapon. I'll wait. You're behaving like an ass, Eric.

  • 13. Eric  |  December 25, 2012 at 9:02 am

    The article tries to put together unrelated statistics to justify a flawed premise.

  • 14. Eric  |  December 25, 2012 at 9:07 am

    If you want to have a meaningful discussion, let's have a meaningful discussion. Posting flawed articles with faulty statistics is not the way to start a discussion.

    Why don't we start with what you think the Second Amendment means?

  • 15. Bob  |  December 26, 2012 at 10:04 am

    excellent point Eric,,,,, I'm not American,,, so I can only make an attempt,,, it means the right to bear arms,,,,, to own guns,,, up for discussion is the intent, and if that includes weapons of mass distruction
    I remember the intense discussions on this site previously about the first amendment , and the importance of separation of church and state
    I may be way out in left field and off track,, but wow it seems it's hard for people to talk about this one,,,,
    what input could the LGBT community have in the presidents call for a national debate about this issue,,,,
    and yes how important is it to an oppressed group

  • 16. Reformed  |  December 26, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    I personally don't mind having constitutional thoughts that are independant of what slave owning, musket toting, framers intended from way back when the earth still needed to be "peopled".

  • 17. Bob  |  December 27, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    “The Gay Men's Chorus of Los Angeles and students from the Creative Planet School of the Arts dedicate this performance to the families of Newtown, Connecticut and to those whose lives have been changed forever,” the chorus said in a prologue to a video posted on YouTube. “Our hearts are with you. Let there be peace.” (The video is embedded on this page. Visit our video library for more videos.

  • 18. Bob  |  December 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    the video embedded here,,,,,

  • 19. Reformed  |  December 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm


  • 20. Bob  |  December 28, 2012 at 10:21 am

    awesome, really,,, thank you to the gay men's chorus, an intellectual, co-ordinated, talented, emotionally moving contribuiton,,,, from the LGBT community,,, I nominate that to be the official response on the subject,,,, ,

  • 21. fiona64  |  December 28, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Why don't we do that, Eric? At the time the second amendment was written, no one on the *planet* possessed weapons that could fire more than one shot in 60 seconds, let alone 100 shots in that time period. The Second Amendment was also written at a time when the Governor of New York could, for example, send his state militia to fire upon the citizenry of New Jersey. It allowed for citizens to possess weapons to protect themselves against such things. Now that we have a military that is integrated across regions, there is no way that this could happen.

    The closest thing we have to a militia these days is the National Guard. And guess what? When those who serve in the National Guard leave their armories at the end of drill weekend, the military weapons stay behind.

    There is NO need, ever, for a civilian to possess an assault-pattern weapon. Don't try to tell me that an AK-47 is necessary for deer hunting; I'll laugh in your face.

  • 22. Steve  |  December 28, 2012 at 10:06 am

    That's not entirely true. While rapid fire weapons didn't exist, they tried to circumvent that by firing multiple barrels at the same time:

    The concept didn't take off until the mid-19th century though with the French Mitrailleuse

  • 23. Bob  |  December 28, 2012 at 10:24 am

    In order to achieve equality in the U.S. does it require everyone to own at gun,,,, or make that a weapon of mass distruciton??????

  • 24. Bob  |  December 28, 2012 at 10:34 am

    I'm honored each and every day to be your president, and I will never forget how I got here.

    I'm so grateful for everything you've done.

    Let's also remember why we're here: we've got more work to do. And we're going to begin this next chapter in the American story together.

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  • 25. F Young  |  December 24, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Uruguay to vote on gay marriage 26 December

  • 26. davep  |  December 24, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Wow, those folks in Uruguay are quick!

  • 27. _BK_  |  December 24, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Or perhaps we're just slow. 🙂

  • 28. davep  |  December 25, 2012 at 10:15 pm


  • 29. F Young  |  December 27, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Well, according to reports, the Uruguay Senate was supposed to vote on the bill on December 26, but unfortunately it postponed debate until its next session starts, in April.

  • 30. Tim in Sonoma  |  December 24, 2012 at 11:23 am

    I would like to thank Adam, Scotty and Jacob for the wonderful job they do here at P8TT. This is where I go almost daily in order to keep up on the important issues of marriage equality, civil rights and yes an education on the judicial system (MANY thanks to Kathleen as well). The community of people in the comments is also a big draw to this site.
    I wish ALL of you the brightest holiday season. One filled with love,family and a new year filled with respect and EQUALITY!
    ((hugs)) to all Tim…

  • 31. karen in kalifornia  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Thank you all for my daily reading. I'd be lost without Prop8TrialTracker.
    Wishing us all Equality in the New Year.

  • 32. Rich  |  December 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Yes, I wish everyone the happiest of holidays, the warmth of a safe and comfortable home, the love of everyone you know, peace throughout the land and the promise of so many wonderful things to come!

  • 33. Seth From Maryland  |  December 28, 2012 at 11:49 am

    congrats to those in Maine tommorow ,

  • 34. Straight Dave  |  December 28, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    …just 4 hours from now. Portland city hall will open up at midnight. I love the way the official gov't is putting out a special effort to make up for lost time. Our comrades in ME certainly deserve it after the 2009 travesty..

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