Updates on Rowan County clerk Kim Davis UPDATED with breaking news: Davis is in contempt, taken into federal custody
September 3, 2015
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BREAKING NEWS: Rowan County clerk Kim Davis is in contempt of court and has been taken into federal custody by US Marshals. UPDATE AGAIN: According to a report, the judge also gave the deputy clerks a half hour to decide if they are going to comply with the law. If not, they will go to jail as well.
UPDATE 3: Deputy clerks are caving:
BREAKING NEWS: #KimDavis: So far, 3 of 6 deputy clerks have agreed to issue marriage licenses in Rowan County.
— WOWK 13 News (@WOWK13News) September 3, 2015
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– Motions for contempt were filed against Davis, along with a motion to clarify that she should be giving licenses to all eligible couples. Her response to the contempt motion is here.
– The hearing on the motion for contempt is today. Equality Case Files will be reporting immediately after the hearing.
– Davis also filed an “emergency” motion for an injunction while her appeal of the briefing schedule on her motion for an injunction is on appeal.
– The president of the Kentucky state senate has filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case.
Thanks to Equality Case Files for these filings
186 Comments
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wes228 | September 3, 2015 at 8:51 am
Bah almost an hour in!!! ANY UPDATES??? :'(
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DeadHead | September 3, 2015 at 9:06 am
I’m watching these reporters’ twitter feeds, one of them is in the courtroom but hasn’t reported yet: Victor Puente is in courtroom https://twitter.com/thevictorpuente
and Barber on the outside https://twitter.com/MarkBarberWKYT
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DeadHead | September 3, 2015 at 9:12 am
This guy's twitter feed is good too https://twitter.com/DarinScherer
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 9:06 am
There was a lot of shouting back and forth in the crowds outside, but it seems to have slowed down now on the live feed:
http://www.towleroad.com/2015/09/live-feed-outsid…
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RnL2008 | September 3, 2015 at 9:09 am
Sorry, but her response to the contempt charges is the same BS her and her Counsel have been peddling for months now and she either DOES her job or she can resign, which she has clearly stated she WON'T do……….throw her ass in jail or heavily fine her daily until she complies!!!!
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A_Jayne | September 3, 2015 at 9:35 am
Tweet just a few minutes ago at
https://twitter.com/BGPolitics
says a security guard at the courthouse told people close to the door it could be another hour before the hearing is over…
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 9:45 am
Wow … the Judge is probably trying everything to get through to Ms. PigHeaded that she needs to do all of her job.
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:03 am
Mike Wynn @MikeWynn_CJ 1m1 minute ago
Breaking:
Davis found in contempt, taking into custody
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:04 am
Bluegrass Politics @BGPolitics 27s28 seconds ago
Kim Davis is in custody until she signs marriage licenses. Crowd outside erupts in applause
Dan Griffin @WSAZDanGriffin 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: Davis held in contempt taken by U.S. Marshals. #WSAZ
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 10:10 am
Wow. I was not expecting that.
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Charlie Galvin | September 3, 2015 at 10:21 am
I most definitely was. Open, blatant defiance without a shred of real authority for it.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 10:41 am
Oh I wasn't implying that she didn't DESERVE jail. Just surprised that the judge chose to do so in this case.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 10:54 am
I did. If he'd have just fined her, she'd have just gone back to work this afternoon and kept on denying everyone licenses. And this game would go on for months.
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:05 am
Dan Griffin @WSAZDanGriffin 52s53 seconds ago
Judge says financial fines not enough. #WSAZ
Mike Wynn @MikeWynn_CJ 1m1 minute ago
Davis escorted out of courtroom, judge says she can be released if she complies with order to issue licenses, says fines would not be enough
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Zack12 | September 3, 2015 at 10:05 am
She is now in jail.. GOOD!!
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:05 am
So who will take over for Kim Davis while she is in jail?
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jpmassar | September 3, 2015 at 10:18 am
There are deputy clerks, no? Presumably one of them is in charge when she is on vacation or whatnot. So should be no problem with someone taking over.
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JayJonson | September 3, 2015 at 10:35 am
The judge has given the deputy clerks until 1:45 to decide whether they will issue licenses or join Davis in jail.
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:07 am
I don't get it – she can just sit in jail forever. Can't someone else instruct her staff to issue licenses?
Dan Griffin @WSAZDanGriffin 51s51 seconds ago
Judge says no deadline. In jail until she complies or instructs staff to start issuing licenses. #WSAZ
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:09 am
Bluegrass Politics @BGPolitics 1m1 minute ago
Kim Davis was tearful while testifying of her religious faith at contempt hearing but stoic as marshal led her to jail.
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:13 am
I hope her $80,000 salary is suspended while she is in jail too.
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jpmassar | September 3, 2015 at 10:19 am
And a martyr is born.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 10:56 am
She was a [pseudo] martyr the moment she decided to stop issuing licenses on June 26th.
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Charlie Galvin | September 3, 2015 at 10:19 am
18 U.S.C. §401 <a href="http://(https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/401)” target=”_blank”>(https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/401) provides that
"A court of the United States shall have power to punish by fine or imprisonment, or both, at its discretion, such contempt of its authority, and none other, as—
[…]
(3) Disobedience or resistance to its lawful writ, process, order, rule, decree, or command"
There is no time limit in the statute, although I understand there is a rule that status must be reviewed after 18 months. But she can be held until she complies, or until compliance is moot (e.g. if she is removed from office or her term expires and there is a different clerk).
I have no doubt that her legal team will appeal the contempt order. Which will be promptly denied, appealed to the Supreme Court and denied again, leaving her to rot until she follows the Consitution and the law. Which she will do as soon as the manuscript is finalized and the booking of the tour completed.
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Randolph_Finder | September 3, 2015 at 10:36 am
Current Record of time served for Contempt of Court in US Court is 14 years. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=8101209
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sfbob | September 3, 2015 at 11:20 am
Her term is up in less than four years. So that's the outside limit for her "martyrdom." Even if she could get her name on the ballot next time, she barely won the first time and apparently she's alienated a goodly number of the locals.
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Randolph_Finder | September 3, 2015 at 11:54 am
Won't stop her from running…
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:27 am
Awesome! Think she'll buck to make the Guinness book for a new record?
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Randolph_Finder | September 3, 2015 at 11:54 am
Unlikely, she's have to be re-elected multiple times. The Contempt will lapse when she is no longer clerk.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 10:58 am
maybe sitting in jail, she'll find Jesuz.
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SethInMaryland | September 3, 2015 at 10:20 am
I saw that the gov is not interested either in spending thousands of tax payer's dollars on a special session . So she really only has two option to issue the licenses or ……
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jpmassar | September 3, 2015 at 10:23 am
Can't she resign?
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SethInMaryland | September 3, 2015 at 10:24 am
I guess
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 10:31 am
Why would she ??? She won, that was the target from day 1 !!!!
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jpmassar | September 3, 2015 at 10:39 am
Not the question. At issue was "What are her options." Two were presented: Stay in jail or agree to provide licenses. I suggested a third possible option. Whether she wants to do one or the other of the POSSIBLE options was not the question.
(And yes, I agree she probably won't resign)
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 10:57 am
She should be ordered to pay increasingly heavy fines as the plaintiffs asked
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Eric | September 3, 2015 at 11:02 am
Contempt isn't for the plaintiffs to decide. Her harm is to the court.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 12:02 pm
maybe after sitting in jail for a coupe of years and no one cares about her anymore, she will resign.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:00 am
of course she can. But she doesn't want to give up an $80k/year clerical job.
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:22 am
Bluegrass Politics @BGPolitics 52s52 seconds ago
Kim Davis' deputy clerks get half-hour to decide if they will obey court order or possibly join boss in jail. Meeting w/ lawyers.
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Randolph_Finder | September 3, 2015 at 10:37 am
Good that the law allows for the Deputy Clerks to choose rather than Davis being able to stop all of them from doing this as long as she isn't willing to.
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LK2013 | September 3, 2015 at 10:23 am
She's not a martyr. She's a stupid woman who is sitting in jail.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:00 am
Actually, she's Matt Staver's patsy.
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 10:25 am
this should not have happened and plaintiffs' lawyers did not ask for it ! now liberty counsel gets whst they want !!!! ugh..
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SethInMaryland | September 3, 2015 at 10:28 am
ikr , This is what worried me about this motion. Now you're have all those right wingers rallying
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JayJonson | September 3, 2015 at 10:38 am
Perhaps less than you think. Even Maggie Gallagher said that she should issue the licenses. We cannot have a system wherein people can disobey court orders.
On the previous thread, Tony had a link to Gallagher's National Review column: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423186/resol…
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Charlie Galvin | September 3, 2015 at 10:34 am
I respectfully disagree. Plaintiffs' counsel made it clear they were not asking for incarceration, and that means Liberty Counsel will have nobody to blame but the "activist" judge. Whom they can do nothing against, since federal judges are appointed for life and leave the bench only when they retire, die or are formally impeached by Congress.
The orders of the courts must be respected and obeyed if the rule of law means anything. If you cannot get it stayed by an appellate court, you must comply with the order while any appeal is pending. Blatant disrespect for the law and the dignity of the court merits exactly what Ms. Davis has received.
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 10:39 am
Yes all that is correct but the communicational game has been won by the homophobes here. This was never about winning in courts, they knew the couldnt ! This was always about taking the picture of the "poor christian woman going to jail for her beliefs" ! And they succeeded ! No,no,no I don't know how can this be rectified, the amount of anti LGBT laws that will come not only in the kentucky legislature but in GOP legislatures all around the country quadrupled today !
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Charlie Galvin | September 3, 2015 at 10:43 am
Any such laws will be challenged and invalidated in the federal courts on constitutional grounds in light of the lengthening line of Supreme Court decisions. And they will alienate a younger electorate that is increasingly accepting of LGB people, although we do have a way to go, I think, before we can say that about the T.
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 11:03 am
You seem very confident..Sneekily written religious freedom laws have survived judicial scrutiny for years.
Plus it will definately have a negative impact on the upcoming referendum on the HERO ordinance in Houston.
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JayJonson | September 3, 2015 at 10:48 am
I am happy that a federal judge has ruled that Roger Goodell's suspension of Tom Brady for 4 games is illegal. I am happy not because I give a rat's ass about Brady or deflategate, but because that is going to be the biggest news of the day, not this silly woman who could have easily avoided any penalty at all.
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tx64jm | September 3, 2015 at 10:59 am
Its front page news all over the place
CBSNEWS
NBCNEWS
CNN
MSNBC
USATODAY
Washington Post
NY Times
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 12:44 pm
heh heh. Yeah, and many of those articles begin with things like:
"Kentucky Clerk fighting gay marriage has wed four times"
and "Kim Davis was divorced three times"
and "Justice Scalia explained why Kim Davis should issue marriage license to same sex couples or find a new job".
Shoo, troll.
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 2:14 pm
"Shoo, troll."
Indeed! LOL
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 7:54 pm
Guess we're all out of that fairy dust that turns trolls into roaches?
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tx64jm | September 3, 2015 at 2:36 pm
Nope.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/kentucky-c…
Nowhere in that FRONT PAGE Article does it say anything about her previous marriages (as if that were somehow relevant to what she believes)
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Mike_Baltimore | September 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm
Do you understand that many, or even most, does NOT equate to unanimous?
Texas is (to date) a 'red state'. That means a majority of the voters have voted for the Republican Presidential candidate in the past several Presidential elections.
That does NOT mean there are several cities and counties in Texas that voted for the Republican candidates. In fact, there were about 25 counties that did NOT vote for rob-me in 2012. Those counties were from the East to the West, from almost the Northernmost county to the Southernmost counties.
More than 3.4 million Texans did NOT vote for rob-me, but for other candidates.
Yes, rob-me did win the Electoral College votes of Texas (because a majority of voters voted for him), but that does not mean he won by a unanimous vote of the electorate.
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Mike_Baltimore | September 3, 2015 at 2:59 pm
Seven is NOT all over the place. The news of the judge's decision in 'deflategate' was top news (not just top sports news, but ALL news) on WBAL-TV, quite some time in the newscast prior to any news of the the Freddie Gray case, and then some time after news in the Gray case to coverage of Rowan County's idiot.
I'm not sure about other media markets, but that is ONE place 'deflategate' was the top 'news', not the idiot going to jail.
BTW – top news for NBC News right now (5:58 PM EDT)?
"Did Forged Signature Clear Way for Dangerous Device?" Not deflategate, not the idiot from Kentucky.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:53 am
So, in your opinion, Bunning should have slapped her on the wrist or punished the tax payers to indefinitely pay fines, possibly for the next 3 1/2 years, while she still smugly sits in her office day after day making her own law, and denied the citizens their rights? The homophobes have not won anything…all they've done is employ a tool and rally their own. If you think that the homophobes would have just forgotten about ssm otherwise, you're way underestimating them. If he had just fined her, she would have continued her recalcitrance and this would just set a precedent that one can pay ones way out of obeying the law or the courts. Fines only work when they work and the person disobeying the court has no other choice but to comply.
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Bruno71 | September 3, 2015 at 3:37 pm
I'm sorry, but to be blunt, you are ALWAYS a major pessimist on these issues. Perhaps you'll prove me wrong, but I think you're way overblowing the impact this will have on those legislatures. When we've seen people like Ryan Anderson say that Kim Davis should do her job, and the son of Jim Bunning find her in contempt of court, this fundamentalist crusade doesn't really have very strong legs with the populace at large.
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Mike_Baltimore | September 3, 2015 at 12:31 pm
Not quite true.
Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were both impeached by the House of Representatives, but neither were convicted by the Senate, thus they remained in office until the end of their terms. You must be impeached by the House before the Senate tries you, and you remain in office (if you don't resign, become incapacitated to being able to doing the job, or die) until the Senate finds you guilty, if it does.
Impeachment by the US Congress is for Federal officials – Ms. Davis is a state official, and subject to the state impeachment procedures (which basically mirror Federal procedures), and unless the state legislature is called into a special session (at this point, not likely), we'll have to wait until January 2016, when the legislature goes back into regular session.
I hope Ms. Davis finds her jail accomodations comfy, and resigns soon.
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StraightDave | September 3, 2015 at 10:41 am
No court is going to open the door to further disrespect and contempt of the legal process by overturning this judge's action. All that would do is encourage more of it, and it would most definitely fall heaviest on the judge who invites it. "Come to my court, I'm a softie, I don't really mean it". They all might as well fold their tents. NOT gonna happen.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:05 am
Why should the judge allow her to continue her unlawful, defiance? To encourage others that defying the rule of law and defying court orders have no consequence…or it's ok to defy the law as long as you can afford it? The judge is well aware that any fines he could impose would just be paid. Alternately, what happens if she just doesn't pay the fine? Threaten her with collections and putting it on her credit report??? If he fines her a million dollars a day, how's he going to collect blood from a stone?
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JayJonson | September 3, 2015 at 10:53 am
I am surprised but pleased with the judge's action. I was afraid that he would allow himself to be buffaloed by the religious extremists, who may be a powerful constituency in Kentucky. But had he allowed himself to be bullied by them, the message that would have been sent is that gay rights are not important and can be infringed upon without much consequence. By sending her to jail, the judge says not only that court orders must be obeyed, but that the constitutional rights of gay people also must be honored.
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 2:49 pm
"…. the religious extremists, who may be a powerful constituency in Kentucky."
Kentucky, in effect, is two states, worlds apart. The progressive portion forms a rather tight triangle, more or less bounded by, and inclusive of, Louisville, Lexington, and Covington, a compact area which contains a majority of the state's population. Much of the rest of the state, especially to the mountainous east, is a hellhole of poverty, unemployment, dysfunction, ignorance, and resentment, complete with an extremely retrograde mentality. About all they have to lean on is religion and country music, with a lot of cross-mixing between the two. Since black people have never lived in eastern Kentucky, and immigrants refuse to venture anywhere near, the misery of the locals is vented as homophobia, dislike of outsiders, and rejection of any/all who might be "different." It's an area from which, those who can, do their absolute best to escape, the most famous being all the country music stars. Ironically, an $80,000-a-year job in that environment will cause its own amount of resentment and rejection of the person holding the position.
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Mike_Baltimore | September 3, 2015 at 6:51 pm
I recall that in 2008, several of the Eastern Kentucky voters were registered as Democratic, and as a result, were limited to voting in the Democratic primary.
Many of them told television news crews that they were voting for Hillary Clinton, as they couldn't see any circumstances they would vote for the 'N*****'.
I really don't think 'racist' is an appropriate term. It seems way too mild.
Oh, and many who do escape (other than music stars), make it to Cincinnati. The City Council of Cincy found it necessary to pass a city ordinance (in 1993) that calling someone a 'hillbilly' (or similar) was a form of discrimination.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:12 am
Should we start a pool to see how long this patsy sits in jail before she decides to follow the order of the court and the law?
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allan120102 | September 3, 2015 at 11:15 am
I am happy for what the judge did. I was almost certain fines wouldn't be enough. Now that Davis is on Jail maybe the other two clerks will abide. Really doubting Casey county clerk would do so maybe jail time would serve him right too. Now whithley?? county clerk might issue as I don't see her as extremist as the other two.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Of course fines would have not worked. Everyone has seen how stubborn she has been. She'd just show up to work and close the marriage window day after day, and any monetary losses she incurred would just be made up by big religion who's pockets are bottomless.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:19 am
I really REALLY really hope that the couples, gay and straight, but mainly the gay couples, get their licenses this afternoon. I wonder if licenses are issued later today or tomorrow and continued to be issued by deputy clerks if Bunning would release her from jail as she pursues her appeal in the sixth, where she has little to no chance of prevailing and then on to SCOTUS. If licenses are issued this afternoon, she could be released tomorrow morning. I sure hope that Bunning doesn't do that though, as she is still in defiance of the court if she doesn't personally issue licenses.
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 11:32 am
Have the deputy clerks decided what to do ?
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 11:41 am
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/09/breaking-count…
"The judge said she left him with no alternative but to jail her, since fines alone would not change her mind. A deputy escorted her out of the courtroom, although not in handcuffs, to be turned over to the custody of federal marshals.
“Her good faith belief is simply not a viable defense,” Bunning said, noting that allowing an individual’s beliefs to supersede the court’s authority would set a dangerous precedent.
“I myself have genuinely held religious beliefs,” the judge said, but “I took an oath.”
“Mrs. Davis took an oath,” he added. “Oaths mean things.”"
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 8:11 pm
Now that was a good idea. No handcuff spectacle for the press. Do they still put people on a chain gang n KY?
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jcmeiners | September 3, 2015 at 11:54 am
If I recall correctly, Kentucky law has a provision that the County Executive can issue licences when the clerk is absent. Up to now, he has declined to do so, because Davis was not physically absent. Now that she is in jail, I would assume he can issue licences in her stead?
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 12:11 pm
He has no excuse now, unless he's physically absent.
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Mike_Baltimore | September 3, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Is she incarcerated outside Rowan County? I presume so, since the judge's chambers are located in Covington, Kentucky, in Kenton County (about 100 miles from Rowan County, or about two hours away).
If the clerk is absent (I really don't see her being jailed that far from the judge's chambers), then she is 'absent'. I think the County Executive is 'off the hook', as all but one of the deputy clerks say they will issue licenses. If they don't, I think they will get to compare jail food with Ms. Davis. Judges (whether local, state or Federal) are not fond of people saying one thing, then doing the opposite.
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A_Jayne | September 3, 2015 at 3:26 pm
For tonight, at least, she's in a jail in Carter County.
https://twitter.com/heraldleader/status/639551843…
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Carter County (Grayson) occupies most of the area along I-64 between Rowan County (Morehead) and Boyd County (Ashland).
The judge's chambers may well be located in Kenton County (Covington). However, I thought all of today's events occurred in the Federal District Courthouse in Ashland. If so, then that would mean that Davis is cooling her heels in the calaboosa in "neutral" territory mid-way between.
From Wikipedia:
The District Court for Eastern Kentucky is based in Lexington and also holds sessions in Federal Courthouses in Ashland, Covington, Frankfort, London and Pikeville.
Judge Bunning seems to be back and forth between Covington and Ashland, as he's already held sessions in "Miller v. Davis" in both.
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JayJonson | September 3, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Three of the six deputy clerks in Rowan County have decided that they don’t want to follow their boss into jail and will issue marriage licenses. After Kim Davis was led out of court in the custody of federal marshals, Judge David Bunning called the six deputy clerks back in to decide their own fates. It’s not yet known how Davis’ son has chosen. Developing story… http://www.joemygod.com/2015/09/03/breaking-at-le…
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 12:09 pm
It was only one before, one uncertain and 4 who shared her beliefs..So at least one got a bit shaken by all that. If there are 3 willing to issue the license fine, no need imo to sent the other 3 to jail.
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jjcpelayojr | September 3, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Are deputy clerks elected? If not and they refuse to issue marriage licenses, would they be jailed or could they just be fired?
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 12:14 pm
White House: 'appropriate' for judge to enforce law in Kentucky gay marriage license issue
If the White House believes the judges actions were appropriate and the Federal Judge believes his actions were appropriate, who is anyone to say otherwise, to say they know better?
WASHINGTON, Sept 3 (Reuters) – White House spokesman Josh Earnest on Thursday said it was "appropriate" for a federal judge to resolve the matter of a county clerk in Kentucky who was jailed after repeatedly refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples on religious grounds.
"I would not from this vantage point second-guess those decisions," Earnest told reporters, when asked about a U.S. federal judge finding the clerk in contempt of court.
"There's a rule of law and the principle of the rule of law is central to our democracy. And it's appropriate in this instance for a federal judge to determine the best way to enforce the law." (Reporting by Alina Selyukh and Susan Heavey; Editing by Sandra Maler)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-…
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 12:15 pm
5 of 6 will issues licenses after all ! Only her son won't..She will be called back now to say if she will interfere with the clerks issuing the licenses (how would she do that from jail ?)
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 12:33 pm
She's still the Clerk, and most likely has the power to hire and fire. So there's a likelihood that she has the power to fire them…maybe even from prison.
Looks like the threat of prison worked on 5 out of 7 of the people in that office…in getting them to comply with the law.
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rocket62eot | September 3, 2015 at 12:50 pm
However, these (I'm assuming) are civil service jobs….and folks cannot be easily fired from civil service positions Especially not for following a federal court order…. I think….
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 12:56 pm
It's too soon to say. The deputy clerks could certainly challenge her decision to fire them for following a court order. I don't know what type of authority she has to hire and fire….or if Kentucky is an at will state, where either the employer or the employee can terminate the employment "at will" without cause. But the judge is bringing her back into court to ask her if she intends to interfere with their decision to issue licenses.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 12:36 pm
I don't understand the point of the court asking her such a question – Surely someone in her position, jailed as a result of actions she took while in office which directly violated a court order, no longer has any authority over what goes on in that office….?
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Eric | September 3, 2015 at 12:40 pm
Her removal from office is not before the court. The judge doesn't have the authority to remove her from office.
The reasonable accommodation is to have other in her office issue marriage licenses.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 12:48 pm
True, but one would EXPECT that there is some rule in place that an elected official who is jailed for an on-the-job offense would lose their authority to continue to act in that position, no? Kentucky has no such rule about this? That would seem odd.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 1:26 pm
She's being detained, but, as far as I know, hasn't been charged with a felony crime.
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Mike_Baltimore | September 3, 2015 at 2:36 pm
Lyndon LaRouche ran for the Democratic nomination FROM PRISON in 1992 (for a time he shared a cell with televangelist Jim Bakker. In Bakker's view, "to say LaRouche was a little paranoid would be like saying that the Titanic had a little leak.").
The US Constitution does not prevent running for President from prison, so it is legal to do so.
Presumably, if he had won the nomination and the general election, he would not have been at his swearing-in 'in person' at the Capital, as he could not issue a Presidential pardon to himself until after he was President, and his prison term was for far beyond any swearing-in date. (He was released [early] from prison in 1994, and on probation until 2004.)
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JayJonson | September 3, 2015 at 12:36 pm
She can't interfere with the clerks from jail. Obviously, the judge wants to release her if she promises not to interfere with the clerks after she is released. IF she says she will let them do their job, she will be released. If not, she can cool her heels in jail.
Actually, I like this solution. If she rejects this forthcoming offer, she simply wants to be a martyr and the judge should just let her enjoy her "persecution." If not, business can go on; people of all orientations can marry in Rowan County, and she can enjoy her newfound reputation for piety.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 12:39 pm
well yeah, but…… so what happens when one or more of those clerks who report to her ALSO refuse to issue a license? THEY then go to jail, but SHE gets to sit behind a closed door in her office, when she would do, and has done, the same thing??
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 12:50 pm
Her objection all along has been that she doesn't want her name and signature on the licenses…and presumably even if a clerk issued the license, her name would still be on the license. Is there a workaround so the deputy clerks can issue the licences without her facsimile signature on them?
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A_Jayne | September 3, 2015 at 1:24 pm
"Is there a workaround so the deputy clerks can issue the licences without her facsimile signature on them?"
I don't think so – her pre-printed signature symbolizes the legal authority of her office and its issuance of the license/certificate.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 1:30 pm
I don't think so either, so her facsimile signature will be on the new marriage licences after all all her recalcitrance. The legislature could change this, but they're not back in session till early next year (I believe). So she may sitting in jail eating mush and baloney sandwiches until early next year 🙂
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SoCal_Dave | September 4, 2015 at 7:53 am
So her signature will still be on the licenses? I guess that means her irrational diety will send her straight to hell for this. win win
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 12:46 pm
Attorneys for the plaintiffs have proposed releasing Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis out of custody if she agrees to not interfere with marriage licenses for gay couples.
The judge has agreed to the proposal and is now bringing Kim Davis back to the courtroom to see if she will agree.
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 12:55 pm
She declined *sigh*
https://twitter.com/JoeDunman/status/639525042297…
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JayJonson | September 3, 2015 at 12:57 pm
I agree with StraightGrandmother, who tweeted "Hope she likes prison food."
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 1:02 pm
I hope the media pick up that 5 of the 6 deputy clerks were willing to obey the law and relieve her of the duty but she refused that. This woman is going for the big martyr status and the big cash.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 1:14 pm
I hope she hates the prison food…actually 🙂 Bread and hot baloney and tap water. But on xmas, she should have some fruit and nuts, and 2 pieces of hard candy.
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tx64jm | September 3, 2015 at 2:24 pm
Shes not in the county jail… Shes in the federal lockup. Different food…
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Mike_Baltimore | September 3, 2015 at 4:53 pm
And when the Federal government lacks something, they contract out for the needed good or service. Many of the offices, especially outside DC, are not owned by the Federal government, but rather are leased.
If the Federal courts feel and can demonstrate there are no facilities for Federal lockup, or the facilities are not correct for the violation, the Federal courts are free to contract with other government entities. When other Federal government entities are not capable of providing the needed goods or services, they contract out to state and/or private entities.
In this case, the Federal lock-up (if one was available) was not correct for the violation (too far from the judge's chambers) to fit the needs, thus alternative arrangements can (and apparently were) made.
And I worked in Federal government procurement and contracting for several years. As a result, I am at least somewhat cognizant of what can and cannot be done in Federal government contracting. Your history in Federal government contracting is?
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bayareajohn | September 3, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Crack that whip, Mike.
Sigh.
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Mike_Baltimore | September 3, 2015 at 8:30 pm
FYI – The 'director' over all Executive Branch procurement is the head of the GSA. Most agencies in the Executive Branch follow the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR), with exceptions – the biggest exception is the Department of Defense (Pentagon, associated agencies and the military) which follow the DFAR.
The agency I worked at last followed the FAR, except when following it was not to the advantage of the agency, which then had to be put in a written statement, signed by the Chairman, and placed in the procurement file.
The person who is 'director' over all Legislative Branch procurement is the Architect of the Capitol who can delegate this function.
Judiciary procurement policies are the responsibility of the Procurement Management Division (PMD) within the Administrative Office (AO) of the U.S. Courts, and are issued in the 'Guide to Judiciary Policy, Volume 14 (Procurement)'.
You might have said "I have no experience in Federal government procurement", but you had to open your mouth and prove it.
And the same goes for Jim from Texas.
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bayareajohn | September 3, 2015 at 9:21 pm
And you might have said "I have no need to act like a jerk whose inflated impression of himself requires expressing real or imagined superiority and scorn of others whenever possible, but I do it for the love of ME", but then… oh yeah, you did pretty much say that.
Let's review. Someone mentioned that the lockup where our fair clerk is vacationing is Federal, with different food than the state.
You elected to jump in, wave your credentials, and finish with a smarmy "Your history in Federal government contracting is?"
Uncalled for, not helping, not increasing anyone's understanding of the issues here, merely a chance for you to perform and demean. Nobody questioned you, or your contribution… which was, until the last sentence, just fine. Then you went and got…. like Mike.
This habit of yours is not appealing. Your other habit of sharing real information and valuable research, that's pretty damn nice. I don't think you actually know the difference.
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 10:05 pm
John, please leave Mike alone. OK, please??
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bayareajohn | September 3, 2015 at 10:29 pm
That's up to Mike. I'm not going to promise not to stand up to bullies.
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tx64jm | September 3, 2015 at 6:24 pm
Ive sold numerous items to the federal government … in addition, a close relative is the director over all federal procurement for one of the cabinet departments and helps me negotiate federal procurement.
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 5:30 pm
Sorry to disappoint you, tx64jm, but Kim Davis, escorted by US Marshalls, is presently being housed in the Carter County KY jail, about mid-way between her home turf of Rowan County (Morehead), and the site of today's hearing, Boyd County (Ashland), at the new Carl D. Perkins Federal District Courthouse located there.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 1:01 pm
And this is why just slapping her on the wrist with fines would have never worked. She may well remain in jail until she is impeached and removed from office. This is her choice, as she isn't a sovereign who can make laws herself. She'll have company soon (lets hope), with Casey Davis.
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Bruno71 | September 3, 2015 at 3:32 pm
She will most likely never be impeached in a state like Kentucky. She may be removed through some other legal methods emanating from the AG's office, but don't count on the legislature for anything.
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JayJonson | September 4, 2015 at 6:17 am
The attorney general's office needs to act quickly. The attorneys' fees for all the litigation regarding Davis are mounting, and the county is going to find itself on the hook for a great deal of money. I hope the taxpayers of Rowan County realize that they will be facing increased taxes as a result of the demagogue they elected Clerk.
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Rick55845 | September 3, 2015 at 1:07 pm
I'm glad she declined.
I understand your reasons for not being content with that, but I respectfully disagree that any measure of martyrdom she attains will do her or those of her ilk any good in the long run. We have no reason to tread softly now. Let them do their worst with ridiculous religious freedom and conscious laws. They will all fail in the end, and we will continue to win. In time, the idiocy of belief in imaginary beings will diminish because, in part, of absurd stances such as hers. That will be a good thing for all of humanity.
I want her to rot in jail.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 1:12 pm
I want her to rot in jail…as long as Ms. Pius is using her power to stomp on the rights of GLBTs (or anyone else). If she no longer has the power to hurt anyone, she should be free to go, as long as she isn't breaking laws, or holding herself above the law.
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tx64jm | September 3, 2015 at 4:51 pm
So am I (glad she declined) … I have more respect for her than I have for Anthony Kennedy …
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 5:38 pm
So you're "respecting" someone who decides not to do the job, yet fails to do the ethical thing and resign so that the job can be done by others, all so she can continue to collect money from taxpayers she has chosen to no longer serve. Yeah, real 'respectable'. Sheesh.
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tx64jm | September 3, 2015 at 6:19 pm
No different than the IRS lady, Lois Lerner, who decided not to do her job and yet continued to collect her goverment salary…
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bayareajohn | September 4, 2015 at 12:33 am
That's certainly not a defense for Davis nor a reason for you respect either of them..
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm
I hope Judge Bunning has told the deputy clerks that to be in full compliance and avoid Kimmy's fate, that they must issue licenses to gay couples (as well as str8 couples) with alacrity and to be professional and not disrespectful to the gay couples. Of course the gay couples should be respectful as well. Let's keep this civilized. No eye rolling, huffing, throwing applications, or any other rudeness, subtle or otherwise, etc, etc.
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GregInTN | September 3, 2015 at 1:30 pm
Interesting line in Ted Cruz press release reported at http://www.joemygod.com/2015/09/03/ted-cruz-has-t…
"I stand with every American that the Obama Administration is trying to force to chose (sic) between honoring his or her faith or complying with a lawless court opinion."
Apparently this Canadian born candidate for POTUS thinks that the federal courts are part of a President's administration.
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm
It's all Obama's fault if you ask Cruz. Davis being a lawless clerk is also one of Obama's faluts.
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1grod | September 3, 2015 at 3:59 pm
Obviously, our prime minister recommends to his governor general all judges above provincial judges, and all appeal judges. Some Americans and our prime minister might think that courts are part of his administration, but Mr Harper like Mr Cruz has been accused of wishful thinking.
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GregInTN | September 3, 2015 at 4:43 pm
In the case of Mr. Cruz, I see two possibilities:
(1) He doesn't know any better, or
(2) He is trying to attract voters who don't know any better
Considering his background (law degree from an Ivy League law school, serving as a clerk for a SCOTUS chief justice, etc.), I find the former highly unlikely.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 4:47 pm
Yup. It's just pandering to the uninformed right wing base with meaningless rhetoric.
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sfbob | September 3, 2015 at 9:46 pm
Yup. Pandering. That was the word I was going for.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 1:31 pm
The lone holdout is Davis' son. The judge says he won't face any fine or jail time since the other deputies have agreed to issue the licenses.
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guitaristbl | September 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm
I think he spared him. Licenses will be issued and he has no authority to intervene like his mother.
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DJSNOLA | September 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Now jailing him would have been overkill. So im glad that didnt happen!
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tx64jm | September 3, 2015 at 2:29 pm
Interesting isnt it? How a federal judge can force a county clerk to issue a marriage license but the feds have no authority to require a county sheriff to enforce federal immigration law, and so illegal immigrants get let out of jail and kill people?
When did a human life become less valuable than the right of a person to marry?
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Bruno71 | September 3, 2015 at 3:31 pm
A federal judge can't force a county clerk to issue a marriage license, s/he can force a county clerk to do their job as required or resign. And I couldn't care less about your fake-outrage anti-immigrant bluster.
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Eric | September 3, 2015 at 3:59 pm
She isn't forced to do anything. She has chosen jail over complying with the Constitution.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Another way to look at it : She is jailed because she declined to choose between either doing her job, or resigning from a job that she is choosing not to do. Choosing to keep getting paid for the job while not doing the job wasn't one of the options.
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tx64jm | September 3, 2015 at 4:47 pm
But thats not a FEDERAL issue…. whether she keeps getting paid by the STATE is up to the governor and the legislature.
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Rick55845 | September 3, 2015 at 5:04 pm
However, disobeying an order of a Federal judge is a federal issue.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Elected officials can't just chose to stop doing the job and yet expect to remain in the position, preventing the job from being done by whoever would fill the position. Regarding the money, the fact that she'll lose her salary is why she has not yet chosen to resign from a job that she feels she must not do. She wants to have her cake & eat it too, by not doing the job but still getting paid.
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1grod | September 3, 2015 at 5:19 pm
Tell that to the 11 Alabama probate judges who are not issuing licenses to straight or non straight couples.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 5:20 pm
Gladly.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 7:36 pm
She was jailed for willful contempt of court… and saying she intends to keep up her disobedience. She even promises she will interfere with the order the judge gave to the deputy clerks. Her contention is she is above the law… but has no backing authority other than her own proclamation. Even Clarabel didn't put in a single sentence for her "I would have granted the stay" is all he had to say. If you can't get Maggie Gallagher to stick up for you… you're up the crick.
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tx64jm | September 4, 2015 at 4:06 am
"Her contention is she is above the law"
Thats not her contention at all …. Her contention is that a right to marriage under the 14th amendment is bounded by her right to conscience and religious liberty under the 1st Amendment.
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wes228 | September 4, 2015 at 7:05 am
Her 1st Amendment arguments were dismissed by the Court. The 1st Amendment simply does not grant clerical employees of the government a right to withhold services from the citizenry on the grounds that people aren't conforming to their religious beliefs.
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Eric | September 3, 2015 at 5:16 pm
Human life became less valuable than the right of a person to marry, when the anti-gay decided to spend money fighting equality, instead of paying women to not have abortions.
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A_Jayne | September 3, 2015 at 2:42 pm
Just so anyone heading to Carter County to visit Kim Davis will recognize her when they get there:
https://twitter.com/heraldleader/status/639551843…
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 4:33 pm
In that "Herald-Leader" copy of her jail mug shot, she looks rather glum, complete with the bold red "Carter County Jail" stamp running diagonally all the way across her face.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 4:45 pm
yeah that red stamp must have hurt!
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 7:41 pm
think they'll allow her and Jim-bubba conjugal visitation?
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Tony, No, absolutely not!
As Jaesun100 ironically points out below, she's Big Bertha's property now.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 8:21 pm
Good. That would be cruel and unusual punishment for the prisoners and guards near by, within ear shot… not to mention for Jim-Bubba
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DJSNOLA | September 3, 2015 at 2:46 pm
Guys we need to stop being passive and realize that sometimes you have to just stand up for yourself. while I would have preferred avoiding the pseudo martyrdom, she simply wasnt going to relent without some harsh punishment. even if she gets some attention today… the way our news cycle works she wont even be talked about in a week. Sometimes you have to fight!
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Just what I've been saying all along. Gay couples can't give up their rights to avoid making these sociopaths into pseudo martyrs. More people like the Cheneys, Lindsey Grahmn, Chris Christie, and even Maggie Gallgaher see this woman for what she is… A hypocrite, possibly a patsy of the liberty council, and a sociopathic grifter looking to raise $$$$. I hope she stays in prison till either her term ends or she can be removed for malfeasance and civil rights violations.
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ianbirmingham | September 3, 2015 at 4:32 pm
I hope everyone is enjoying this important lesson on:
* Why federal judges are not elected, and are intentionally given lifetime appointments
* Why federal courts are the obviously correct choice for enforcing constitutional rights
* Why state courts and their elected judges are lame, weak, low quality alternatives
As it was in Loving v. Virginia, so it is now: Federal courts kick ass!!!
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 7:47 pm
Golly Mizza Crabbopple, it's a good thing we had someone's so smart to spell it out to us too. These points woulda gone over every eoter's head. Weza nevva figgered it Mizza Crabbopple. Thankyaz.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 5:15 pm
http://sadtrombone.com/?autoplay=true
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 9:00 pm
Dave, how interesting!
The sad trombone makes the troll go away! Excellent work. Thank you. LOL
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 10:10 pm
Let's post that trombone every time it slithers back up the drain pipe! Since we're out of fairy dust.
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davepCA | September 3, 2015 at 11:17 pm
I think it's perhaps one of the most useful web sites on the internet.
Be sure to bookmark it and use it at every opportunity! : )
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Jaesun100 | September 3, 2015 at 7:04 pm
It's gonna be ironic a couple hours in there and she will be Big Berthas property……
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weaverbear | September 3, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Late to the party here; been at work all day.
So we can now get married in Rowan County, KY. Yay! (Seriously folks, I mean it.)
I'm of two minds here about Kim Davis being incarcerated. A) AMEN! You flout the ruling of SCOTUS and the laws you were sworn to uphold, then you get what you deserve. Certainly it had the appropriate effect on the deputy Clerks within that office. They caved, 5 of the 6 will issue marriage licenses to couples who qualify under the law. However, B) The religious right, particularly folks like the Liberty Council and <s>political hacks</s> politicians the likes of Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz will make hay out of having their duly designated Xtian martyr languishing "unjustly" in jail for following her faith.
Unfortunately, there are way too many voices on the far right who likely wanted just that, a martyr for their cause they can use for fundraising from fundegelicals. (Ever watch the 700 Club?)
These are the same people who will tell you the USA is a Xtian nation, and believe what they are telling you. When Kim Davis says she has a religious opposition to same sex marriage, I believe she's telling the truth. If that's how she feels, let her go protest in front of a church that conducts marriages for our community. She HAS that right. She does not have the right to stop us from having civil marriage, when the law gives us that right.
Civil marriage is not a religious institution. As long as this country allows people in religious garb to conduct legally binding marriages (which is the state's function), there will be those that conflate the right to a civil marriage as a requirement for any minister (priest, rabbi, cantor, imam, etc.) solemnizing weddings to do that for EVERYONE. In most of Europe your marriage isn't legal until you go down to the town hall to get married. Many, though far from all opt for a religious ceremony afterwards, but the one that was legally binding, was the ceremony that happened at the town hall.
Incidentally, In the drive to marriage over the past several years I did read about a couple of reform synagogues, one in Alabama and the other in Iowa (I think) that opened the doors of their sanctuaries for LGBT folks to have a place to conduct their weddings. The one in Alabama provided the rabbi if either of the marital partners was also Jewish, while a Unitarian Minister was on hand for the nuptuals if neither partner was. Did my heart a lot of good to see that.
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RnL2008 | September 4, 2015 at 12:26 am
This is EXACTLY the problem……..the Republican Candidates like Rubio and Cruz want to express OUTRAGE that a good Christian woman like Kim Davis supposedly is, is being persecuted for standing up for her religious beliefs, but would they feel the same way about someone who's religious beliefs happen to be Hindu? Buddha? Pagan? Wiccan? or maybe Satanism? Or is it ONLY with regards to someone who believe as they do? My guess is they WOULDN'T be so upset if one's religious beliefs were NOT in line with theirs………which again means they ONLY care about this issue as it may be something they can twist and use to benefit them……..NO one actually cares about the fact that Kim Davis had PLENTY of opportunity to resign her position, all while standing righteous in her supposed moral conviction…….N O, they ALL wanted a MARTYR and that's what they got!!! It's sad that even Kim Davis DOESN'T know she was USED:(
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1grod | September 3, 2015 at 8:53 pm
Kentucky decision is applicable to Alabama opines Equality Alabama's Board member: http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/judge… Check out comments
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JayJonson | September 4, 2015 at 6:28 am
I hope Judge Granade was watching Judge Bunning handle Kim Davis. Maybe it will inspire her to some courage in handling the Alabama probate judges.
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Zack12 | September 3, 2015 at 9:11 pm
I know some were worried about giving the religious right a hero but it had to be done.
If she was allowed to flout the law and impose a religious test on us, other clerks and government employees would follow suit and in no time, there would be a lot of government officials and offices that would be barring services to LGBT people.
More to the point, she would have been able to raise $$$ to pay any fines she got.
Jail was the only option here.
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VIRick | September 3, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Carter County Detention Center, R.I. Boggs, jailer
Inmate Lookup, page 2 http://www.cartercountydetention.com/CarterCoDC_i…
#33, Davis, Kimberly B., Book date 2015-09-03, no release date
Carter County Detention Center
13 Crossbar Road
Grayson, KY 41143
If she's quite lucky, she may have a cell with a view overlooking the Little Sandy River and/or US 60.
Oh wait! No windows, not even tiny slits for peep-holes.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 10:13 pm
If she mis-behaves, confiscate her god book.
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galmondaythroughfriday | September 3, 2015 at 11:29 pm
I wonder if any Right Wing (Quasi) Celebs will visit her in jail? Will Stephen Baldwin be on the visitors list? The possibilities are endless.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:54 pm
More Importantly, does Judge Bunning have the authority to restrict Davis' visitor list to help her reconsider her deliberate recalcitrance a little more deeply.
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Tony MinasTirith | September 4, 2015 at 1:56 am
According to her booking…she's 5'7 and weighs 220 Pounds! 220 Pounds!
(btw, her booking record says height 5'7, but the picture indicates about 5'3 if you don't measure her big hair. Maybe they got her weight off too, but she looks about 5'3 220 pounds…and a glutton)
Proverbs 23:2 ESV
And put a knife to your throat if you are given to appetite
Proverbs 23:21 ESV
For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.
Luke 16:13 ESV
No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”
— Guess she's an exception. $80K/year is probably way above the median income for her town.
Luke 6:32-42 ESV
“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
— That apparently doesn't apply to sweet long time loving gay couples who just want to getr married and exercise their constitutional rights.
I guess her conscience doesn't apply to herself, only to gay couples. Cherry Picker.
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galmondaythroughfriday | September 3, 2015 at 11:24 pm
Okay, this lady is mean-spirited, apparently deranged, and (it would appear) none too bright. I wonder if this has been about her $80,000 salary all along, though. What's the mechanism for cutting that off, at this point? I think once the salary dries up and the job evaporates, she'll be let out, as her compliance will become a moot point. Yet…I guess she could milk her stand (if the penitetiary's conditions aren't too bad) to make any book deal she hopes for more dramatic. (But…can she even spell?)
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Tony MinasTirith | September 3, 2015 at 11:41 pm
Ghost writers
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1grod | September 4, 2015 at 4:22 am
Rather than jail, could Kim not be put on house arrest with ankle braclet? On second thought, perhaps she would attract a crowd. Out of sight, our of mind.
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LK2013 | September 4, 2015 at 5:35 am
BREAKING 8:16 A.M.:
William Smith and James Yates obtain a marriage license in Rowan Co., Ky. from Deputy Clerk Brian Mason.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2…
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1grod | September 4, 2015 at 5:35 am
Rowan County Clerks Hours:
8:00 – 4:00 Monday – Thursday
8:00 – 6:00 Friday
http://rowancountyclerk.com/
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LK2013 | September 4, 2015 at 6:32 am
Video of William Smith and James Yates getting their marriage license after being turned away 6 times … after all the hoopla, still such a sweet moment, brings tears to your eyes …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5yegk-rrzg
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Tony MinasTirith | September 4, 2015 at 6:43 am
Ohhhh, it looks like Kimmy is going to hell.. in a hand basket. She lost her salvation at 8:15 or so this morning, as her deputy clerk issued a marriage license to a gay couple on the County Clerk's behalf. Once your name is written in the book of Hades, well that bell can't be un-rung. No siree. She better pack some SPF 6 million.
*UPDATE*
Contrary to previous reports, Reuters is now reporting that the licenses issued by Rowan County Clerks office today do NOT contain Kim Davis name…
And her attorney's are claiming that because she did not "authorize" them, the licenses are invalid.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/04/us-usa-…
But, she's still going to hell anyway.
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LK2013 | September 4, 2015 at 6:49 am
Chris Kenning @ckenning_cj 11m11 minutes ago
Second gay couple getting marriage license in Rowan County @courierjournal
Looks like another male couple getting a license now too, looks like it's also being issued by Deputy Clerk Brian Mason but it's hard to tell in the photo because of the media scrum.
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LK2013 | September 4, 2015 at 6:54 am
Chris Kenning @ckenning_cj 6m6 minutes ago
Demonstrators inside the clerks office called 2nd couple "perverts" as they got license. Supporters turn backs.
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A_Jayne | September 4, 2015 at 9:12 am
In all fairness, the linked article also says when that jerk got mouthy, the security guard (or cop) in the office told him to leave.
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LK2013 | September 4, 2015 at 7:28 am
Once you enter the extremist universe, you really can't win. It looks like the Westboro Baptist church is attacking Kim Davis (who knew? Well, they hate everyone, really) today. I really can't follow their twisted logic, but … they deserve each other.
http://www.joemygod.com/2015/09/04/westboro-bapti…
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galmondaythroughfriday | September 4, 2015 at 8:12 am
Jeez….there's no pleasing them! (And I sound surprised, Why?) But, um, what else did they expect her to do? Maybe they think that if she were a True Believer and prayed harder, their god would have broken open the prison ceiling and lifted her out?
I guess it could still happen… #waiting
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sfbob | September 4, 2015 at 9:54 am
Okay I do sort of understand their logic here. Davis's previous behavior was less than perfect. Since she could be criticized she isn't the perfect martyr. So it's her fault that we won because if she'd stuck to husband number 1, the judge wouldn't have had an easy time of issuing his injunction and he wouldn't have been able to jail her and get most of the deputy clerks to agree to issue marriage licenses. Also too, all this licentiousness in our society encouraged her to divorce and remarry and to have kids by a man she wasn't married to (at the time) and so on. So it's all her fault as well as everyone elses (else's? elses'? spell check doesn't seem to like any of those alternatives) because nobody outside of their own church is perfect so we're all gonna go to hell. They are their own special kind of crazy, that's for sure. But their logic isn't actually that difficult to unpack.
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davepCA | September 4, 2015 at 10:09 am
HA!!! This is WONDERFUL!! I hope WBC shows up at the jail on Saturday to counter-protest against the group of Kim Davis supporters who are planning a rally that day.
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guitaristbl | September 4, 2015 at 10:18 am
Yeah no I wouldn't like WBC on our side on this one, protesting against her sorry.
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davepCA | September 4, 2015 at 10:36 am
Yeah I suppose you're right, although it would be interesting to see those pro-Davis supporters reaction to a bunch of religious extremists denouncing Davis and her 'sinful ways'.
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SoCal_Dave | September 4, 2015 at 1:13 pm
I think it would be perfect. Crazy vs. crazier.
I doubt the general public would think WBC is actually on our side.
More likely they would see just how ridiculous both sets of religious fanatics are.
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LK2013 | September 4, 2015 at 9:16 am
Emma Margolin @EMargoNY 7m7 minutes ago
Plaintiffs April Miller and Karen Roberts get their marriage license in Rowan County.
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