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Equality news round-up: News from Rowan County, Kentucky, on Kim Davis

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Kentucky state seal– Kim Davis has asked the Sixth Circuit to consolidate all three appeals in her case and allow the briefs to be filed on October 30, or, as requested in a separate motion, for the court to allow her brief in the first appeal to be filed on October 7.

– Also in the Davis case, Governor Beshear filed a reply in their request to dismiss the complaint against them. The filing accuses Davis of stating several inaccuracies in her briefs.

– Also, Liberty Counsel has said that the Pope secretly met with Davis and discussed religious exemptions.

Thanks to Equality Case Files for these filings


  • 1. guitaristbl  |  September 30, 2015 at 8:29 am

    The vatican confirmed the pope found time to meet this lunatic criminal but did not have the time to meet homeless lgbtq youth in NYC. This whole "gay friendly" pope thing has to stop. He is a homophobic religious bigot like all his predecessors and he know boldened the case of this law breaking idiot and her manipulative lawyers. He d better not set foot in the US again for a longtime, there are enough bigots already there.

  • 2. A_Jayne  |  September 30, 2015 at 8:44 am

    Yep. Reuters:

    "I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no comment to add," Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said in a statement.

    Not in any way consistent with the message the pope claimed to bring…

  • 3. A_Jayne  |  September 30, 2015 at 10:27 am

    Also from ThinkProgress:

    The Vatican will neither confirm nor deny that the meeting occurred, and says it will not issue any further comment.

    After fielding repeated late-night inquiries form reporters, the Vatican announced Wednesday morning that they could neither confirm nor deny the alleged meeting happening, saying they wouldn’t comment further. ThinkProgress received a similar response from the Apostolic Nunciature of the Holy See: “The embassy does not deny that the meeting took place, but will not make any further comments on the subject.”

  • 4. jjcpelayojr  |  October 1, 2015 at 8:06 am

    And the hits keep coming…Just found out from my friend who works at the Make-a-Wish Foundation that they had about 6 kids whose wish was to meet the Pope, if only for 3 seconds. Those wishes weren't granted because there was apparently no time…

    Pope definitely mud pied his brand and visit by meeting a very undeserving human being.

  • 5. aiislander  |  September 30, 2015 at 9:21 am

    Good Morning America reported that the Vatican "would not confirm nor deny" that this meeting actually occurred.

    Interesting if this pope actually did meet with this hypocrite since according to catholic doctrine she is an adulteress living in sin, is she not?

  • 6. Sagesse  |  September 30, 2015 at 9:44 am

    If this meeting actually took place, what in Darwin's name were they thinking?!

  • 7. StraightDave  |  September 30, 2015 at 10:47 am

    Completely apart from the obvious "why" …. when , where, and how was this supposed meeting supposed to have occurred? With all the world's media swarming all over both of them, they're gonna sneak off by themselves unnoticed? …. either from or to freakin Kentucky?


  • 8. RnL2008  |  September 30, 2015 at 11:39 am

    Frankly, I DOUBT the meeting took place. This visit has been planned for months and there is little time in the Pope's schedule to meet in secret per se……..and it her lawyer who made sure the meeting was known about………frankly, I smell a skunk in the wood pile….just my opinion though!!!

  • 9. Bruno71  |  September 30, 2015 at 11:48 am

    The Vatican has confirmed the meeting took place:

  • 10. RnL2008  |  September 30, 2015 at 11:59 am

    I still doubt it……doesn't seem like it could have been a secret and why would the Pope meet with her? Sorry….doesn't make ANY sense

  • 11. Bruno71  |  September 30, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    Why would the Vatican lie about it?

  • 12. RnL2008  |  September 30, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    Don't know and truly DON'T care……..why would the Pope meet with someone who is NOT a Catholic? And truly why is this even an issue in the first place?

  • 13. Bruno71  |  September 30, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    The Pope meets with non-Catholics all the time. Whether you care or not is irrelevant to the truth.

  • 14. JayJonson  |  September 30, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    The Vatican lies and lies and lies. Only occasionally does it tell the truth. In any case, we must cease expecting any justice or even compassion from this Pope. He simply puts a more genial face on the same old bigotry, which is why he is actually far more dangerous than his predecessors.

  • 15. hoodatsayhoodat  |  September 30, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    If you have to ask, you don't know much about the Roman Catholic Church.

  • 16. Montezuma58_1  |  September 30, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    Still not a real confirmation. "Don't deny" is not exactly an affirmation that the meeting actually happened. It's sounds more like PR doublespeak rather than being straight forward. It sounds like the church is wanting to distance itself from the issue whether or not the meeting occurred.

  • 17. Bruno71  |  September 30, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    My interpretation is that they wanted the meeting to be secret, but the blowhards at "Liberty""Counsel" couldn't help but shout it to the world to promote their bigot agenda. Indeed, they want to distance themselves from it, but I don't see why they wouldn't just deny it happened if it didn't happen.

  • 18. waxr  |  September 30, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    “I do not deny that the meeting took place," could just mean that the Pope's spokesman. Rev. Manuel Dorantes, does not know if the meeting took place or not.

  • 19. StraightDave  |  September 30, 2015 at 10:58 am

    OK, so a "meeting" doesn't necessarily imply a physical presence.

    We're down to:
    1) They set up a highly-secure diplomatic video conference channel that the Chinese couldn't hack
    2) The Vatican decided to take the high road, act with grace, and not call the lying bitch's lying lawyer a liar to their collective faces.

    Hmmmm, tough call

  • 20. 1grod  |  September 30, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    If a meetiing in whatever medium occurred,, Franciis and I would not be on the same page or same book. I had so hoped/wished, it would be otherwise. But for some time,the conference of bishops has not impressed me. So, this would be just another disappointment.

  • 21. A_Jayne  |  September 30, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    My best guess, Mat Staver pulled some strings, got them passes to a reception at the Vatican Embassy – they were there among many others – pope gave standard greeting he does to all and went on to next person in line without knowing her name or her specific circumstances for the most part.

    That would be why Vatican cannot confirm or deny – many people were there, they don't know for sure if she was or was not among them.

    After all, Mat Staver's "less than 15 minutes" claim could include the 30 seconds each attendee got…

  • 22. Sagesse  |  September 30, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    FWIW, such a scenario is the most plausible I've heard so far.

  • 23. RnL2008  |  September 30, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    I would have to agree…….nothing else makes much sense…..but that's just my opinion on the issue!!!

  • 24. hoodatsayhoodat  |  September 30, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    I have her comment from this morning on Tivo, played it 5 times to be sure it's accurate. Here are her words;

    "I put my hand out and he retched and he grabbed it and I uh, I hugged him and he hugged me and he said 'thank you for your courage'"

    Draw your own conclusions. Personally I think she pulled this whole bit out of her more than ample ass.

    On edit: Actually, I could almost believe the 'retched' part.

  • 25. tx64jm  |  September 30, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    npr reports that there was a physical 15 minute meeting…

  • 26. aiislander  |  September 30, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    tx64jm: Dude, you have a serious problem with reading comprehension. The Vatican spokesperson said "I cannot not deny the meeting took place but I have no comments to add.". That is no affirmation that any "meeting" let alone a 15 minute physical one, took place. All that 15 minute meeting allegation is coming from Davis' lawyer, who got caught in a huge lie a few days ago:



    Meanwhile, Davis' team is promising that pictures of the alleged meeting are coming soon. (probably as soon as they get through Photoshopping them!)

  • 27. jpmassar  |  September 30, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    New poll:

    49 percent of Texans said they favor gay marriage, up from 33 percent in 2011. Also 46 percent of Texans support marijuana legalization, a 13 percentage-point jump from 2011

  • 28. ReadLearn  |  September 30, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    Well, that was a disappointment. Will no longer be Catholic. I started to leave the Catholic Church right before the new Pope was elected. Decided to give him a chance. I did. Now I'm gone.

  • 29. 1grod  |  September 30, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    ReadLearn: I'm giving such an action a day or two. G

  • 30. 1grod  |  October 1, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    ReadLearn: Perhaps this explanation will put a context to your disappointment and my subsequent encouragement to give your decision time. In frustration, I've too often these days throw-up my hands. G

  • 31. hoodatsayhoodat  |  September 30, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    We have learned more about our universe and how and why it operates in the last 30 or 40 years than in all of human history.

    Because of this we have no further need to invent imaginary, magical,supernatural 'gods' to explain thunder, disease, planetary motion, evolution, chemical reactions, etc.

    Hundreds of religious belief systems have gone down the toilet of
    history and the few remaining ones are circling the bowl as we speak. Theism is a dying enterprise.

    Educated intelligent people understand this

  • 32. A_Jayne  |  October 1, 2015 at 7:58 am

    Charles Pierce, in Esquire, tells what he knows and thinks about the Francis/Davis meeting:

    According to Dionne, the meeting between Davis and the pope was brokered by Archbishop Carlo Vigano, the papal nuncio to the United States at whose residence the pope stayed during his time in Washington, which is when the meeting took place. Together, these facts set off my Spidey Sense about Vatican chicanery.

    An interesting read…

    Edit to add this, also from the article:

    In April, in a move that was unprecedented, Vigano got involved with an anti-marriage equality march in Washington sponsored by the National Association For Marriage. (And, mirabile dictu, as we say around Castel Gandolfo at happy hour, one of the speakers at this rally was Mat Staver, who happens now to be Kim Davis's lawyer.) In short, Vigano, a Ratzinger loyalist, who has been conspicuous and publicly involved in the same cause as Kim Davis and her legal team, arranges a meeting with Davis that the legal team uses to its great public advantage.

  • 33. A_Jayne  |  October 1, 2015 at 8:22 am

    From the article's comment section –

    If your theory is true Charlie, and it very well could be, at the least the Pontiff needs to reexamine the diplomatic entourage that surrounds him and do a serious purge. If he has allowed himself to get pwned in this way, someone needs to pay for it. This single event has done serious damage to any more liberal message that he may be presenting.

    But if your theory is not true, then he is exactly what many of we ex-Catholics think he is, which is a slightly more presentable version of the same old, same old.

    ". . . a serious purge. . . " ?
    I don't think it's any accident that Francis does not reside in the traditional Papal apartments where John Paul I was murdered the night before he was going to lift the lid on the Vatican Bank. Or that he eats communally where they would have to poison a lot of other people to get to him. Check out David Yallop's In God's Name to know what he's up against.

    Another comment:
    Here's your best evidence: Pope Francis went out of his way to engage in any SPECIFIC discussion of American politics or to weigh in as a partisan. He spoke in generalities about issues. So he almost certainly did not want to involve himself in this woman's drama and the political fuss that Movement Conservatives want to make of her refusal to do her job. And for the reporter's question to be framed as "conscientious objection," which normally refers to active participation in acts that involve killing, is another red flag. He was set up. I thought so when I heard the story..

  • 34. FredDorner  |  October 1, 2015 at 9:15 am

    It makes a lot of sense, especially with the direct link between Mat Staver and Archbishop Vigano and their coordination in lobbying against marriage equality. It also makes sense that the NOM hate group would be involved since they were founded and funded primarily by Catholic extremists.

  • 35. LK2013  |  October 1, 2015 at 10:05 am

    I know people really want to think that this Pope is a kinder gentler version, but I flat out don't believe it, don't trust it, don't like it.

    It's distressing how many people are twisting themselves silly trying to downplay this meeting and blame others for it.

    The Pope took the meeting with Kim and her douche husband. He made statements supporting her. You can parse the "conscientious objector" bull-pucky all you want, but this is a SPECIFIC case with horrific resonance in this country right now. I don't believe for a minute that he was not aware of the significance of his "after the fact" off-hand comments on the plane home.

    This meeting was truly evil, and was conducted in secret in the typical back-stabbing fashion of the Church when it wants to hide abuse.

    Sorry … new smiley face but same old tricks.

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