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  • 1. allan120102  |  December 9, 2015 at 1:28 pm

    Amazing news coming from Colombia, is not marriage equality but a step in good direction.

  • 2. Zack12  |  December 9, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    Lately, whenever we bring up instances of discrimination here in the U.S., the bigots immediately tell us that ISIS and others are throwing us off rooftops and that is where our outrage should be, not at clerks telling us to go to other counties for licenses or us being fired from our jobs.
    We know they aren't really concerned with what happens to us in other countries and that it's nothing more then a misdirection.
    The bigots can prove us wrong by not getting outraged by this but we know they won't because they truly don't care about us getting killed.

  • 3. scream4ever  |  December 9, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    My response to that is that ISIS does the same to Christians, and that's where their outrage should be.

  • 4. tx64jm  |  December 10, 2015 at 5:49 am

    Uhh Zack, hate to tell you but that couple in San Bernardino was shooting bullets at gays because they're gay (among other things/reasons)… thats where the outrage should be. 14 people killed and 21 injured from Muslims… just let that sink in. And it wasnt overseas, it was right here in the USA.

  • 5. FredDorner  |  December 11, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    Thanks for your concern Jim, but it's you Christofascists who are the real threat to liberty here in the US. That's always been the case ever since the colonial era.

  • 6. Zack12  |  December 11, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    In the past year, there have been more then 20 trans women murdered and a couple of days ago, a 71 year old gay rights activist died from injuries he receivied in a gay bashing several weeks earlier in which the attacker shouted homophobic slurs.
    Those stories are just one of many from the past few years of LGBT people being murdered simply and yet the bigots like you who claim "concern" about the San Bernardino victims or the gays being thrown off buildings in a country we sadly can't do anything about have nothing to say about the other attacks.
    And that is because you truly don't care about any of them, especially when there isn't a chance to use Muslims as boogeymen for deflection.
    You have told us on this forum that we don't deserve marriage rights, employment protection, protections from service denial etc. but hey, we aren't being murdered like we would be in the Middle East so we should suck it up.
    Sorry bigot, I'm not going to be told I should be grateful for not being killed and thus should shut up about other injustices I and the rest of the LGBT community face.
    Because as a bigot, you don't get to tell the group you think deserves oppression what they should and shouldn't be outraged about.

  • 7. bayareajohn  |  December 11, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    Uhh tx, hate to tell you but the killer at the clinic was shooting people in the name of Christianity. As have been all of the clinic killers. Donald Trump has suggested the path for handling terrorists of known religious groups, and the TPGOPs have enthusiastically endorsed it… so what we "have to do – there's no choice", is to close the Christian churches and stop all Christians from entering the country until we figure this thing out.

  • 8. VIRick  |  December 11, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    "…. just let that sink in. And it wasnt overseas, it was right here in the USA."

    OK, so it sank in,– apparently there's something special about the USA where whatever it is that's scratching your phobias, just can't happen there,– or isn't supposed to happen,– or wasn't expected to happen,– or whatever.

    And by the way, the USA is overseas from where I live. Still, I'm not certain why flying over water makes it a difference from flying over dry land.

    And then there was the "end times" nut-job doing the shoot-em-up in Colorado Springs. Oh wait! That's always happening and was thus just totally expected, given that it's perfectly "normal" for christianists to express themselves that way, .

  • 9. allan120102  |  December 9, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    I knew that the new assembly elected in Venezuela would be in favor of lgbti rights. A law in marriage equality might come to vote in the coming year or two.

  • 10. SethInMaryland  |  December 9, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    I think that communist president Nicolás Maduroill have to go first before marriage equality ever passes in Venezuela but this a good start. A super majority as well

  • 11. VIRick  |  December 9, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    Ohio City Passes Ban on LGBT Conversion Therapy

    Cincinnati — This Ohio city’s city council has passed a ban on therapy aimed at changing the sexual orientation of minors. Cincinnati council members voted 7-2 Wednesday, 9 December 2015, to outlaw the practice known as “conversion therapy.”

    The "Cincinnati Enquirer" reports that nearly two dozen pastors and other people packed in to council chambers to unsuccessfully oppose the move. But council voted to prohibit therapy by health professionals designed to change sexual orientation or gender identity, imposing a $200-a-day fine on violators.

  • 12. Mike_Baltimore  |  December 9, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    This is quite surprising to me as Cincinnati has been known as the conservative's conservative city.

    As one example, when Marge Schott owned the Reds, facial hair, even sideburns, was banned on baseball players on the Reds team, apparently supported as there was no organized resistance to it from the fans or the city council, and the media remained silent on the issue.

    Another example were her slurs against African-Americans, Jews, and persons of Japanese ancestry and love of Adolf Hitler. I can just imagine what her feelings were about the GLBT community. I'm sure she is/was a heroine of kimmee davis.

    When she died, she was hailed by the residents and media of Cincinnati as 'a great lady'.

  • 13. VIRick  |  December 9, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    But Mike, remember that Leelah Alcorn, the trans-gender teen who had been subjected to some sort of religiosity-based "conversion" therapy, committed suicide just over a year ago a short distance north of Cincinnati (in Warren County), when she deliberately walked out into the middle of I-71, directly in front of an 18-wheeler. It would seem that that incident has really awakened the general population in that portion of Ohio to the dangers inherent in so-called "conversion" therapy.

    Also, remember that Cincinnati is still Ohio, and has been tamed quite a bit over recent years. When I lived near-by, it was a standard observation to note that all the minorities lived in Ohio, north of the river, and that all the unrepentant bigots and hypocrites (and all their self-righteous saved-soul cousins) lived just on the other side, in Kentucky, including the one whose name I refuse to mention.

    We always pitied Louisville and Lexington because they were stuck with it, despite the fact that that cesspool began within viewing distance of downtown Cincinnati.

  • 14. allan120102  |  December 10, 2015 at 12:12 am

    I thought that Cincinnati being a big city would be liberal, I wasn´t even surprised when I saw the news of conversion therapy being ban.

  • 15. JayJonson  |  December 10, 2015 at 6:12 am

    Cincinnatti at one time was the only city in the nation whose charter expressly banned ordinances prohibiting discrimination against glbt people. That charter provision was adopted in 1993 and subsequently challenged in the wake of the 1996 Supreme Court ruling in Romer v. Evans, but was upheld by an appeals court. It was finally repealed by referendum in 2004, by a vote of 54 percent to 46 percent, a bright spot in an otherwise bleak year for gay rights; that year, 13 states including Ohio banned same-sex marriage.

    Below is a link to a New York Times article from April 2015, which offers an account of Cincinnati's turnaround, focusing especially on the support given John Arthur and Jim Obergefell, but also offering many other good details about how the city changed its mind, with a little help from the business community and from anti-gay politicians who discovered that their own children were gay.

  • 16. VIRick  |  December 9, 2015 at 9:29 pm

    Federal Lawsuit Challenges Same-Sex Marriage Opt-Out Law in North Carolina

    Charlotte NC — A federal lawsuit filed Wednesday, 9 December 2015, challenges North Carolina‘s law allowing magistrates to refuse to perform same-sex marriages based on their religious beliefs, arguing that it violates equality and church-state provisions in the US Constitution.

    The lawsuit, filed by three couples, seeks to overturn the law, which was pushed by Republicans in the state legislature and passed in June 2015 over the veto of GOP Gov. Pat McCrory. Under the law, local magistrates, who can preside over marriages, and some register of deeds officials, who issue licenses, can opt-out of performing marriages if they have a “sincerely-held religious objection.”

    Only North Carolina and Utah provide religious-objection options for court officials. In North Carolina, any official’s decision to opt-out applies to all marriages, same-sex and heterosexual, for at least six months. About 5 percent of the state’s roughly 670 magistrates had filed recusal paperwork as of September 2015, according to the state court system.

    The lawsuit focuses primarily on the magistrate exception, arguing that it treats gay and lesbian couples differently, in violation of the equal-protection provision in the Constitution. The lawsuit also puts religious belief above the obligations of magistrates to carry out laws they swore to uphold, critics say.

    The law, pushed by Senate leader Phil Berger, R-Rockingham, was filed when several magistrates resigned shortly after federal judges in October 2014 struck down North Carolina’s 2012 constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage. The state’s top court administrator said at the time that magistrates who declined to officiate for same-sex couples could be fired or face criminal charges.

    The plaintiffs include two same-sex couples. One of them, Kay Ansley and Cathy McGaughey, helped overturn in court North Carolina’s 2012 constitutional ban. The third couple, a white woman and black man, successfully sued in the mid-1970s when Forsyth County magistrates refused to marry them on religious grounds, according to the lawsuit.

    The religious objection law has required officials in McDowell County, about 75 miles northwest of Charlotte, to bring in magistrates from adjoining Rutherford County because several McDowell magistrates have opted-out of marriages under the law.

  • 17. Interim Management  |  June 27, 2017 at 3:58 am

    What? Serious?

  • 18. 1grod  |  December 9, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    CANADA begins admitting refugees tomorrow by the plane load, 10000 by the end of December. LGBT persons are among those on the list of those eligible for admission.
    Prime Minister and opposition leaders will be in Toronto Airport to greet first 'government sponsored' group arriving on a Canadian Armed Forces military plane. Our Supreme Court today ruled that previous government was too restrictive in its interpretation of criteria as to who is eligible:

  • 19. Christian0811  |  December 9, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    Prague, April 28 (ČTK) — The Constitutional Court (ÚS) will discuss the rules of child adoption at the initiative of a homosexual man from Prague who says they are discriminatory because they prevent child adoption by same-sex couples living in registered partnership, Hospodářské noviny (HN) writes today.

    Read more:

  • 20. allan120102  |  December 9, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    Veracruz MX just had the third wedding in the state. Supposedly 15 amparos are need to be granted so the supreme court can send initiative to the state to legalize same sex marriage.

  • 21. VIRick  |  December 9, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    Up-Date on Florida's Birth Certificate Challenge

    Per Equality Case Files:

    Today, 9 December 2015, in "Chin v. Armstrong," the federal court challenge to Florida's refusal to list both same-sex parents on their children's birth certificates, the Plaintiffs have filed a Motion for Summary Judgment:

    In its press release concerning this case, the National Center for Lesbian Rights states: "Today’s request asks the court to decide the case without a trial. The filing explains that the state’s refusal to put same-sex spouses on their children’s birth certificates as it does for different-sex spouses violates the US Supreme Court’s June ruling in "Obergefell v. Hodges" that same-sex and different sex spouses must be treated equally in all respects. There are no additional facts needed to show that Florida is violating the constitutional rights of the plaintiffs and other Florida families.

  • 22. VIRick  |  December 9, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    Up-Date on Indiana's Birth Certificate Challenge

    Per Equality Case Files:

    Today, 9 December 2015, in "Henderson v. Adams," the federal court challenge to the Indiana law as to the presumptive parentage on birth certificates, the Plaintiffs have filed a Motion for Summary Judgment:

  • 23. Mike_Baltimore  |  December 9, 2015 at 11:40 pm

    Even more reason to oppose Senator Cruz's candidacy (as if additional reasons were necessary):

    According to the Washington Blade, he has now been endorsed by NOM.

  • 24. Sagesse  |  December 11, 2015 at 4:27 am

    Moving on to the next stage:

    ‘Sexual orientation is not a message,’ GLAD tells court in religion case [Keen News]

  • 25. bayareajohn  |  December 11, 2015 at 10:11 am

    This one is going to end up at SCOTUS and be big.

  • 26. FredDorner  |  December 11, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    Hopefully the employee's lack of any ministerial function resolves the issue at the district court level. I'm not sure cases like this are what one would want to go before SCOTUS with the current court demographics.

  • 27. 1grod  |  December 11, 2015 at 12:58 pm

    Sagesse – your being familiar with the quirks of Canadian provincially funded education systems vs à vs Catholics, it is an eye-opener to learn that the treatment of LGBTQ Catholic teachers in Ontario and Alberta is no better than in Massachusetts.

  • 28. 1grod  |  December 11, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Sagesse – no doubt you will remember the Supreme Court of Canada 1998 case [Delwin] Vriend v Alberta, a case involving a fired teacher at a faith based private college. The Supreme Court read in Sexual Orientation into the Alberta's Individual Rights Protection Act

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