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Open Thread 2/1/2016


Here’s your open thread for the week of 2/1/2016.


  • 1. davepCA  |  February 1, 2016 at 10:52 am

    End of an era – I just got this email from "Freedom to Marry":

    Our journey at Freedom to Marry has come to an end. This is the final note you’ll receive from Freedom to Marry, the campaign that drove the strategy and engaged and leveraged the movement that won marriage nationwide.

    What a journey it was – full of pain, injustice, loss, and sacrifice, but also, of course, love, hope, confidence, trust, transformation, and, ultimately, triumph. Through hard work, we held America to its promise, inspired tens of millions around the world, and made countless lives better. Love won. We all won.

    As we now wind down this campaign, and close our doors at Freedom to Marry – strategy fulfilled and goal met – I want to share with you the new that we’ve built to tell the story of how it all happened and to share resources and the lessons we learned along the way.

    Read the story of how, together, we won the freedom to marry, Dave, and share it with your friends and loved ones today.…

    The Freedom to Marry campaign is over, but we know that the great work of making our country more just and advancing human rights around the globe is far from done. We hope that the Freedom to Marry model and our movement’s achievement – and the lessons we are sharing through our enduring website – will be of value to anyone working to change hearts, minds, and the law, and make the world better.

    One last time from Freedom to Marry: Farewell, Thank you. Stay engaged.

    Evan Wolfson
    Founder and President, Freedom to Marry

  • 2. JayJonson  |  February 1, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    So glad they are preserving the website and disseminating the story of our remarkable battle for marriage equality.

  • 3. weaverbear  |  February 1, 2016 at 7:54 pm


    I am grateful that Evan Wolfson thinks the fight is over. Despite having married myself in the 2008 'window' here in California, I wish I could say I agree with him. Even though SCOTUS has ruled, I am still vigilant and anxious.

    While people continue to posture, while likes of Kim Davis still exists and continues to do her damnedest to deny us our rights, while Trump and Cruz are still running for office with a promise to change the make up of the Supreme Court to nullify our civil right to marry, and as long as Justice (and I use that honorific begrudgingly) Roy Moore and his ilk continue to monkey with our legal system to try and undermine the mandate of SCOTUS, I for one do not think our work is done.

    Evan said to stay engaged. We need to remain vigilant and ready to continue our fight.

  • 4. VIRick  |  February 1, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    Weaverbear, absolutely! I could not agree with you more, as the fight is never over.

  • 5. allan120102  |  February 1, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    Four same sex couples to marry in QR mass weddings.
    Nom version of Jalisco is trying to collect firms for a referendum to overturn any change in Jalisco´s Civil code.
    They are also asking the two municipalities to stop issuing ss licenses as they are violating the obsolete civil code.
    Finally India lgbt activists are hopeful for a positive ruling form their SC but I am not sure though if they will issue the decision tomorrow as they expect, someone might help on that. I am hopeful too though for a positive ruling.

  • 6. allan120102  |  February 1, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    Supreme court Justice Cossio said that if people are interesting on marrying the amparos route is the correct way for paving marriage equality.

  • 7. Randolph_Finder  |  February 3, 2016 at 2:21 pm

    Seems like there are members of the Mexican Supreme Court who are simply tired of what it is going to take to get everything taken care of, but know that's the way things work…

  • 8. Zack12  |  February 2, 2016 at 12:03 am

    IMO, the fight for equality isn't over yet.
    Look at what has happened with voting and abortion rights.
    In many places, the right has thrown up so many roadblocks that these rights no longer exist.
    The same can happen with same sex marriage if we let out guard down.
    There are already bills popping up which would allow bigoted clerks like the one in Kentucky (I won't mention her name) to do exactly what she did and face no reprucussions for it.
    Same sex couples will still be able to get a marriage license but they will have to drive to the next county to get it or even farther.
    There are also bills to gut discrimination laws or make it so anyone can refuse service to LGBT folks.
    And let us not forget our LGBT youth are still being tortured daily in our schools.
    Our fight isn't over yet, not by a long shot.

  • 9. Raga  |  February 2, 2016 at 2:27 am

    Breaking: A bench headed by the Chief Justice of India and the next two senior-most Justices has allowed the curative petition (asking the Supreme Court of India to reconsider its decision upholding the constitutionality of Section 377) to move forward, without much argument. The entire hearing lasted about 15 minutes, following which the bench issued a short oral order. It has been referred to a special 5-Justice Constitutional Bench. No word yet on what happens next, or when.

    Though various media outlets are reporting that this means the curative petition has been admitted (i.e., granted, and the case will be reheard), technically, we don't know until the written order comes out and the actual wording can be examined. Given the extremely short hearing, I would guess that this means only that the special 5-Justice bench will decide whether the curative petition should be admitted or not, which would mean that today was just a small preliminary step. Hoping for more clarity soon.

    Update: I tend to trust BBC, and this article has more information that claims the petition has been admitted and the case will be reheard. I'm still waiting for a written order for confirmation, though:

    Yet Another Article::

  • 10. Steve27516  |  February 2, 2016 at 7:04 am

    Thank you, Raga – Keep us posted!

  • 11. davepCA  |  February 2, 2016 at 9:36 am

    Thanks, Raga! This does sound encouraging. I really hope this mess gets resolved soon.

  • 12. Raga  |  February 2, 2016 at 10:14 am

    Most comprehensive article on the facts. Very encouraging words from the Chief Justice (who just assumed this position last December and I have a feeling he might have been behind bringing up this petition for hearing in the first place). I really hope he acts swiftly in setting up the bench and moving ahead with the rehearing. (He is due to retire next year.)

    "Rebelling against its own procedural conventions in dealing with curative pleas, the Supreme Court indicated its openness to re-consider the constitutionality of Section 377 with new eyes. Chief Justice Thakur told senior advocate Anand Grover that the new Bench may not limit itself to the narrow confines of the curative law — the Curative Bench will only entertain if petitioners prove that its review verdict violated principles of natural justice and the judges were biased — and opt for a comprehensive hearing of the arguments placed for the protection of the dignity and rights of the LGBT community."

  • 13. Christian0811  |  February 2, 2016 at 1:01 pm

    Imo the plaintiffs would've done better going for a reinterpretation of the law. It doesn't mention homosexuality explicitly, they should've done what they did in Lebanon and argue (correctly) that same-sex relationships don't fall under the laws proscription of "unnatural offenses".

  • 14. Raga  |  February 7, 2016 at 9:29 am

    Christian, that is one of the many arguments being made before the Court in the curative petition. This time, we're leaving no stone unturned 🙂

  • 15. Christian0811  |  February 7, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    Oh excellent! I only saw the arguments on the constitutional question being brought up, not arguments on legislative interpretation 😛

    Many thanks for clearing that up! Very interesting

  • 16. KryptonKid  |  February 6, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    It is so good to see again, Raja.

  • 17. guitaristbl  |  February 2, 2016 at 8:00 am

    On some political matters, how worried should we be getting that Cruz won the Iowa caucuses ?

  • 18. SethInMaryland  |  February 2, 2016 at 9:35 am

    About as worried as Santorum winning Iowa in 2012. Winning the Iowa caucuses hardly results into a winner. Trump is going to crush Cruz in NH and South Carolina.

  • 19. davepCA  |  February 2, 2016 at 9:40 am

    Trump would destroy our remaining international relationships like a bull in a china shop and drag us into more wars, Cruz would turn this country into an hate-fueled intolerant totalitarian psuedo-theocracy. Both must be prevented from getting anywhere near the White House.

  • 20. SethInMaryland  |  February 2, 2016 at 9:43 am

    I want Trump to win the primary because I feel we can have a easy time mopping the floor of him in November.

  • 21. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    Alabama: Plaintiffs Appeal Denial of Attorney Fees in Federal Marriage Case

    Per Equality Case Files:

    Today, 2 February 2016, in "Aaron-Brush v. Attorney-General of Alabama," ACLU's class-action case in federal court, the plaintiffs have appealed the order which denied their motion for attorney fees to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.

  • 22. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    Texas: State Defendants Appeal Award for Attorney Fees in Federal Marriage Case

    Per Equality Case Files:

    Today, 2 February 2016, in "DeLeon v. Abbott," the Texas marriage case in federal court, the state defendants have appealed the order that awarded the plaintiffs $585,470.30 in fees and an additional $20,202.90 in costs to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.

  • 23. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Guam: Plaintiffs Request Ruling on Motion for Attorney Fees in Federal Marriage Case

    Per Equality Case Files:

    On 8 January 2016, in "Aguero v. Calvo," the Guam marriage case in federal court, the plaintiffs have filed a request for a ruling on their motion for attorney fees. The motion has been fully briefed since July 2015.

  • 24. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    Jamaica: Court of Appeal to Hear Case on LGBTI Rights

    Per Equality Case Files:

    On 1 February 2016, the Jamaican Court of Appeal will begin hearing a landmark case brought forward by Jamaican attorney and human rights activist Maurice Tomlinson. The case is challenging national television stations that refused to air a “tolerance ad” promoting respect for the human rights of LGBTI people.

    This landmark constitutional case is the first appeal in Jamaica to raise the issue of human rights of LGBTI people. It is also the first time the Court will consider how the rights protected under the 2011 Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms should apply against private corporations and not just against the government.

  • 25. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    Virginia Hate Pastor Involved in Child Custody Fight Ordered to Prison

    Per Equality Case Files:

    Montpelier VT – A Mennonite pastor from Virginia, convicted of helping a former Vermont woman flee the USA rather than share custody of her child with her former same-sex partner, has been ordered to prison.

    On Monday, 1 February 2016, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in New York issued a mandate upholding the 2012 conviction of Kenneth Miller of Stuarts Draft VA for his role in helping Lisa Miller flee the country in 2009 with her daughter Isabella. The two Millers are not related.

    On Tuesday, 2 February 2016, District Court Judge William Sessions in Vermont ordered Kenneth Miller to surrender to prison on 1 March 2016 to begin serving a 27-month prison sentence that had been delayed pending Miller's appeal.

    Lisa Miller and Isabella fled the country, and are currently living in Nicaragua, rather than share custody with her former Vermont civil union partner, Janet Jenkins.

  • 26. allan120102  |  February 2, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    This is a summary of the four same sex couples that have sue for the freedom to marry in Colombia and in what they are suing. This combination of cases include recognition as three couples are already marry. It also include a plea that the Attorney General is making everything so notaries not marry ssc,and last it also include for freedom to marry. I am pretty sure the court will strike the ban, Still hoping this month.
    Also in Venezuela Right and Left are joining forces and Marriage equality now looks more of a reality in that country compare to Peru, Bolivia or Paraguay.

  • 27. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    Chile: Encuesta Afirma Que el 61% de los Chileños Apoyan el Matrimonio Igualitario

    Chile: Survey Affirms that 61% of Chileans Support Marriage Equality

    Los resultados de la última versión de la encuesta Plaza Pública Cadem, correspondiente a enero de 2016 muestran un alza en la aprobación de la ciudadanía chileña frente al matrimonio igualitario, aumentándose este en 11 puntos desde febrero de 2014, cuando se incluyó por primera vez a esta consulta el respaldo al matrimonio entre parejas del mismo sexo.

    The results of the latest survey by Plaza Pública Cadem, for January 2016, show an increase in the support of Chileans for marriage equality, increasing by 11 percentage points since February 2014, when the question of support for marriage between same-sex couples was included for the first time.

  • 28. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    Colombia: Este 4 de febrero 2016, la Corte Constitucional Vuelve a Decidir sobre Matrimonio Igualitario

    Colombia: On 4 February 2016, the Constitutional Court Again Decides on Equal Marriage

    On Twitter, Olga Materón, Dir. de Siete Colores Bucaramanga, shows the complete 6-step diagram, detailing every twist and turn, leading up to this moment, in the extended marriage equality fight in Colombia here:

  • 29. allan120102  |  February 2, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    That means that they will give the ruling that day ?

  • 30. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    They will be discussing it again. I can not say whether or not they will be ready to issue an immediate decision.

    Check out this explanation:

  • 31. allan120102  |  February 2, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    Rick that is old news
    NACIÓN | 2015/07/30 00:00
    The comments were also made in July so,I am not sure if its really old news or this news were update if at all. I also got similar news in twitter as supposedly this have retweeting.

  • 32. allan120102  |  February 2, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    Quite a record of Mud deputies in favor of marriage equaluty .

  • 33. VIRick  |  February 2, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    Yes, in the current Venezuela Parliament, now totally controlled by the opposition, over 4 in 10 members of the opposition, Mesa de Unidad Democrática (MUD), are in favor of marriage equality in Venezuela.

    However, one must also remember that the old chavista, el presidente Nicolás Maduro, remains in power until 2019. No one appears to have a clue as to what he might be thinking,– if anything whatsoever.

  • 34. allan120102  |  February 2, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    Powerful story coming from Bangladesh.

  • 35. RnL2008  |  February 3, 2016 at 12:24 am

    Hi Fellow EoTer's,
    Just wanted friends to know that I am battling Colon Cancer and just got home from UCSF Children's Hospital tonight.

    Doing well and have a great support team around me both family, friends and professionals.

    Hugs to you all,

  • 36. JayJonson  |  February 3, 2016 at 6:07 am

    Wishing you a complete and speedy recovery, Rose. So glad you have a great support team. You are in our thoughts.

  • 37. RnL2008  |  February 3, 2016 at 8:09 am

    Thanks Jay, believe me when I say I truly am blessed to have someone like you in my world……….big hugs to you and again, thank you for being there:-)

  • 38. Steve27516  |  February 3, 2016 at 8:36 am

    Sending you healing wishes, Rose, and hoping to hear positive updates soon. Warm regards to you – Steve in North Carolina

  • 39. RnL2008  |  February 3, 2016 at 8:54 am

    Thank you Steve………good news is the cancer has NOT left the stomach area and chemo will start in roughly 4 to 6 weeks……..not looking forward to it, but it is a necessity to beat this………hey, it's only hair, right? Lol!!!

    I have a great team of professionals from UCSF Medical Center-Mission Bay in San Francisco and if one has to have cancer…'s the place to be for treatment, in my opinion.

  • 40. sfbob  |  February 3, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    Oh no Rose. Sending healing thoughts to you.

  • 41. RnL2008  |  February 3, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    Hey, it could have been worse……..I could have done nothing and just died NOT knowing, instead we got check, took action and now I have a fighting chance to be around a long time and after all, that's important to me, my wife and my grandchild:-)

    When my wife and I got married, I made her promise to give me 10,000 days or roughly 30 years because in her family the women have weak lungs and only live roughly 10 years after they quit smoking……… the hospital, Lee found a nice rock and gave it to me……..she said using NOTHING else but rubbing it with my hand and fingers, when it is down to the shape of a penny…….then I have her permission to die…….it's gonna take a helluva a long time……

  • 42. sfbob  |  February 4, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    I like that approach. Keeps you around for a long, long time. 🙂

    I'm at high risk for colon cancer myself so I have to be screened every couple of years whether I enjoy it or not (just had a colonoscopy last month; no news is good news, right?). Just glad you're hanging tough and taking care of yourself.

    Big hugs.

  • 43. Randolph_Finder  |  February 3, 2016 at 2:23 pm


  • 44. RnL2008  |  February 3, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    Thank you and big hugs right back<3

  • 45. F_Young  |  February 3, 2016 at 4:16 am

    Wishing you the best possible recovery, Rose.

  • 46. RnL2008  |  February 3, 2016 at 8:10 am

    Thank you F_Young………..I truly appreciate all of the positive support and look to kick this cancer's ass!!!


  • 47. VIRick  |  February 3, 2016 at 11:07 am

    Yay Rose! That's the attitude! Always remain positive. Here's wishing you the best for a speedy recovery.


  • 48. RnL2008  |  February 3, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    Hugs, was resting earlier………and yes, being positive is the best attitude to start with!!!!

  • 49. allan120102  |  February 3, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    Wish you a speed recovery Rose, You are a really important and loved member in this community. Sending you all my positive energy from Honduras. I expect good news from you in the coming weeks.

  • 50. RnL2008  |  February 3, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    Thank you Allen for the warm well wishes…… wife and family appreciate the rally of support, as do I.

    We are truly blessed

    Thank you all <3

  • 51. Zack12  |  February 4, 2016 at 5:02 am

    Best wishes to you Rose!

  • 52. JayJonson  |  February 3, 2016 at 6:12 am

    Australian Senator criticizes former PM Tony Abbot for speaking to U.S. hate group, Alliance Defending Freedom.

    Greens Senator Robert Sims said that the ADF: "advocates for the criminalisation of homosexuality and the abolition of anti-discrimination laws that protect the rights of LGBTI people." He added, "It is a lunatic fringe organisation that promotes an agenda that ruins people’s lives.”

    “[Abbott] is a former prime minister of this country… With that in mind, he should think very carefully about the causes with which he associates.”

    According to a 2013 report from the Southern Poverty Law Centre, the ADF offered assistance to an anti-gay group in Belize to stop a law against homosexual sex, carrying a prison sentence of 10 years, from being overturned.

    “My home state of South Australia abolished [laws against gay sex] 40 years ago last year, but that’s the kind of world this organisation wants to take us back to,” Simms said. “With all the heartache and human misery that comes with that.”

    Video of the speech is embedded in the article at Buzzfeed or may be accessed at YouTube:

  • 53. VIRick  |  February 3, 2016 at 11:23 am

    Per Equality Case Files:

    Gay Parent Wins International Child Custody Appeal in Supreme Court:

    The attached press release is from Reunite International Child Abduction Centre, a UK charity specialising in international parental child abduction and the movement of children across international borders.

    From the release:

    London, 3 February 2016

    "The Supreme Court has modernized family law’s treatment of separating families in a majority 3-2 judgement which stops children being in a legal limbo when they are taken abroad by one of the parents.

    "It has allowed an appeal by a non-biological mother of a child, holding that the unilateral removal of the child to Pakistan by the biological mother did not cause the child to lose her English habitual residence, and that the English court retained full jurisdiction to make decisions about her welfare.

    "The case involved the family of a seven year old British child who was taken to live in Pakistan in February 2014 by her British birth mother, one of a lesbian couple, after the couple’s separation."

    "Under the new law explained in this landmark case, the first international abduction case involving the child of a same-sex couple, rather than being in a legal limbo, the child will be more likely to be protected by being considered as resident in the country from which he or she was taken."

  • 54. VIRick  |  February 3, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    Washington State: Anti-LGBT State Rep. Graham Hunt Resigns Over Falsified Military Service Record

    Washington state GOP Rep. Graham Hunt has been pushing a bill that would allow businesses to restrict restroom use to people whose “genitalia match the sign on the door” – as one right wing site put it. Last night, he resigned under “stolen valor” accusations.

    The "Seattle Times" reports on 3 February 2016:

    "State Rep. Graham Hunt has resigned over accusations he exaggerated his military record and lied about serving in the Marines and being wounded in combat. In a statement posted Tuesday evening, 2 February 2016, to his campaign website, Hunt, R-Orting, said 'with a heavy heart' he was stepping down immediately, citing 'substantial media attention' devoted to 'inconsistencies in the records of my military service.' The resignation came after Hunt met with Republican leaders Tuesday afternoon amid mounting allegations against him."

  • 55. allan120102  |  February 3, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    Things are moving pretty fast in Michoacan. Might become a marriage state in two month tops.

  • 56. VIRick  |  February 4, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    Per Rex Wockner:

    México: Michoacán parece ser el próximo estado en permitir el matrimonio del mismo sexo sin un amparo.

    Michoacán looks to be the next Mexican state to let same-sex couples marry without a court injunction. #8 of the 32 jurisdictions.

    Michoacán: Avanza Dictamen para Hacer Efectivo Matrimonios Igualitarios

    Michoacán: The Directive Advances to Effect Marriage Equality into Law

    En reunión de trabajo de la Comisión de Derechos Humanos celebrada este miércoles, 3 de febrero 2016, realizaron un análisis a la comunicación mediante la cual Raúl González Pérez remite la recomendación general sobre el matrimonio igualitario

    En próximos días se presentará ante el pleno de la LXXIII Legislatura de Michoacán un dictamen para reformar el Código Familiar para insertar la figura de matrimonios igualitarios, así lo dio a conocer la presidenta de la Comisión de Derechos Humanos, Nalleli Julieta Pedraza Huerta.….

    At a working meeting of the Commission on Human Rights held on Wednesday, 3 February 2016, an analysis was conducted of the communication in which Raúl González Pérez sent a general recommendation on equal marriage

    In coming days, it will be submitted to the plenary session of the 73rd Michoacán Legislature as a directive to reform the Family Code to insert egalitarian marriages, as was announced by the president of the Commission on Human Rights, Nalleli Julieta Pedraza Huerta.

  • 57. VIRick  |  February 3, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    Mexico: Amparo Count Up-Date for Hidalgo State

    Por el 2 de febrero 2016, el presidente de la Asociación por la Diversidad Sexual (de Hidalgo), Alejandro Huerta, precisó que se ha iniciado una campaña en redes sociales, donde diversas personas han solicitado el matrimonio igualitario, y a la par se han llevado a cabo acciones jurídicas entre ellas se han interpuesto tres amparos, uno de ellos ha sido atraído por la Suprema Corte de Justicia de la Nación (SCJN).

    As of 2 February 2016, the president of the Association for Sexual Diversity (of Hidalgo), Alejandro Huerta, said that it has launched a campaign on the social networks, where a number of people have applied for marriage equality, and as couples, among them, have begun legal action by filing for three amparos, one of which has reached Mexico's Supreme Court of Justice.

    So, from this account, it would appear that three amparos are in process in Hidalgo state, none of which have yet been granted, but one of which is pending on appeal before the Supreme Court.

    Among the various states in Mexico, Hidalgo is near the tail end of the parade. Like all the states, they will still need five amparos, fully processed and granted, before same-sex marriage is legal there. But at least it's good to learn that they have three under way. Previously, I was only aware of the one before the Supreme Court.

  • 58. VIRick  |  February 3, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    Mexico: Same-Sex Adoption in Coahuila State

    According to the article, last year (2015) there were three same-sex couples adopting four children from Coahuila. Two of those couples were from Chihuahua; the third was local.

    But so far for this year, 2016, there have already been five requests, two local (from Saltillo), one from Monterrey, and two from Mexico City.

    Same-sex adoption is only just beginning in Mexico, with Coahuila state being at the very forefront on any number of LGBT issues, including adoption by same-sex couples and the legalization of same-sex marriage.

  • 59. VIRick  |  February 4, 2016 at 1:01 pm

    Chile: Corte Declaró Admisible un Recurso a Favor del Matrimonio Igualitario

    Chile: Court Declares Admissible an Injunction in Favor of Marriage Equality

    En 4 de febrero 2016, la Primera Sala de la Corte de Apelaciones declaró admisible un recurso de protección presentado por el Movimiento de Integración y Liberación Homosexual (MOVILH) contra la prohibición del matrimonio igualitario en Chile, por lo que los tribunales resolverán sobre el fondo del asunto, hecho que según el organismo constituye un hito.

    La decisión se adoptó luego de que el abogado del MOVILH, Jaime Silva, presentara un recurso de reposición contra una resolución previa y unánime de los magistrados de la misma Primera Sala de la Corte de Apelaciones de Santiago, Dobra Lusic Nadal, Jenny Book Reyes, y el abogado integrante, señor Ángel Cruchaga Gandarillas, quienes habían rechazado la admisibilidad del recurso.

    On 4 February 2016, the First Chamber of the Court of Appeals declared admissible an injunction submitted by MOVILH against the ban on same-sex marriage in Chile, so the courts will decide on the merits, a fact which, according to the organization, is a milestone.

    The decision was adopted after the MOVILH lawyer, Jaime Silva, submitted an appeal against a previous unanimous decision of the Judges of the First Chamber of the Court of Appeals of Santiago, Dobra Lusic Nadal, Jenny Book Reyes, and the member lawyer, Ángel Cruchaga Gandarillas, who had rejected the admissibility of the application.

  • 60. VIRick  |  February 4, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    Colombia: In a tweet from Marcela Sánchez B. de Bogotá, Colombia:

    Una vez más hoy (4 de febrero 2016) no se discutió Matrimonio Igualitario en la Corte Constitucional de Colombia. Aplazado para próxima semana. Les estaremos contando.

    Again today, 4 February 2016, Marriage Equality was not discussed in the Constitutional Court of Colombia. It was postponed to next week. We will be counting (on it).

  • 61. allan120102  |  February 4, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    I am getting tired of waiting for the Colombian supreme court to act. They again post poned the discussion for next Thursday. Will post a link once one is out , as twitter users are tweeting their frustration with the court.

  • 62. VIRick  |  February 4, 2016 at 3:25 pm

    Montana’s First Out Candidate for US Congress

    After introducing her partner to the public at an event last weekend, Montana politician Denise Juneau is making history as the state’s first openly LGBT Congressional candidate.

    According to the Great Falls "Tribune," the 48-year-old Democrat announced her plans yesterday, 3 February 2016, to run for Montana's sole House of Representatives seat. Since then, Juneau, who is also the nation's first Native American woman ever elected to a statewide office, has received numerous words of support from her colleagues and political contemporaries.

    Denise Juneau, is currently serving as Montana's elected Superintendent of Public Instruction.

  • 63. allan120102  |  February 4, 2016 at 5:22 pm

    Another amparo granted in SLP. The first in that municipality too.
    Queretaro teenage legislature legalize ssm 38-8. This is not the state legislature but I hope that they are seeing this. The younger generation in favor of ssm.

  • 64. VIRick  |  February 4, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    Mexico: Estado de San Luis Potosí: Primer Matrimonio Gay en Zona Media

    Mexico: San Luis Potosí State: First Same-Sex Marriage in Central Region

    Ciudad Fernández, SLP.- Para el fin de semana se celebrará el primer matrimonio gay en la región Media, el quinto en el estado potosino, el cual tendrá lugar en el municipio de Ciudad Fernández.

    Raúl Rodríguez Rodríguez, oficial del registro civil, dio a conocer que es el primer matrimonio que se celebrará en la zona metropolitana del estado, por lo que se marca un antecedente en la entidad.

    El matrimonio se tiene programado para el próximo fin de semana, al tener todos los requisitos en orden, tanto los requisitos para efecto de solicitar un matrimonio, como la sentencia de amparo que permite y hace posible la celebración del matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo.

    Rodríguez Rodríguez señaló que actualmente se cuenta con dos amparos más a nivel estatal, los cuales se pueden celebrar en cualquier oficialía del estado.

    Ciudad Fernández, SLP.- This weekend the first same-sex marriage will be celebrated in the central region, the fifth in the state of San Luis Potosí, and will take place in the municipality of Ciudad Fernández.

    Raúl Rodríguez Rodríguez, the civil registrar, announced it is the first marriage to be held in this area of the state, so a precedent is marked within this entity.

    The marriage is scheduled for this weekend, having all the requirements in order for it to take effect, both the requirements to apply for a marriage, as well as an amparo decision that allows and makes possible the celebration of the same-sex marriage.

    Rodríguez Rodríguez noted that one currently counts two more amparos statewide, so that it can be celebrated before any state official.

    Like so many other local news accounts, this one focusses on the number of same-sex marriages which have occurred (and are occurring), rather than on the amparo count. So, according to this source, this will be same-sex marriage #5 for San Luis Potosí, but how did we get this far? Wikipedia only lists the first two amparos granted. And like this one, they were for individual couples. So, at minimum, we have three.

    But the last sentence in this report is confusing, as it makes it seem as if five marriges have occurred (with five amparos granted), plus two more amparos already granted to couples who have yet to get married. If so, then San Luis Potosí is at seven amparos already granted, pushing it well over the 5-amparo limit before "de facto" marriage equality commences,– which is what the article appears to be stating when claiming "can be celebrated before any state official."

    Ciudad Fernández/Rio Verde is a small-sized twin-town about midway between the state capital, San Luis Potosí, and Ciudad Valles.

  • 65. allan120102  |  February 4, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    What is trying to say is that the couples that have been granted amparos can get married in whichever municipality they decide to hitch. If individual amparos were granted then yes this will be amparo number 5. With 6 and 7 coming. De facto marriages may start if a civil registry wants too but I dont see any wanting to be the first.

  • 66. VIRick  |  February 4, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    My archives just came to the rescue by providing the answer:

    " On 11 November 2015, the Director General of Red de Diversificadores Sociales, Paul Ibarra Collazo, reported that a collective amparo for 25 same-sex couples to marry in San Luis Potosí has just been granted as amparo #3 for San Luis Potosí state, and the first collective amparo granted there."

    So, at best, the amparo granted to the couple in Ciudad Fernández would be amparo #4 for the state, as it seems to be individually granted to just that couple. Now I understand why he said there are two more amparos "in process" within the state, but which, based on Supreme Court jurisprudence, must be granted, and thus "counted upon."

  • 67. F_Young  |  February 5, 2016 at 6:17 am

    VIRick: "My archives just came to the rescue.."

    Thanks, Rick, for being so rigorous and thorough in your postings; it helps to clarify a very complex and rapidly evolving situation.

  • 68. VIRick  |  February 5, 2016 at 10:54 am

    F_Young, and it could become even more complex in San Luis Potosí state.

    If tomorrow's marriage in Cuidad Fernández is SLP's same-sex marriage #5, based on amparo #4 (which it appears to be), then that means that only two of the 25 couples who received amparo #3, the collective amparo granted in November 2015, have already gotten married. Potentially, there are 23 more wedding ceremony announcements (which is what the local news reporting usually focuses upon) that could be made based on that collective amparo.

    The first three amparos in the state were all granted in the state capital. This most-recent one seems to have been granted locally, in Ciudad Fernández/Rio Verde, to an un-named female couple.

    By the way, as a finishing touch, I think it would be quite apropos if amparo #5 were to be granted to Tomás y Carlos (Thomas and Charlie) in their "name-sake" city in SLP, Tamazunchale.

  • 69. allan120102  |  February 4, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Various articles have expressed that the constitutional court of Colombia will issue a 6-3 ruling in favor of ssm. I hope this is true and it happens soon. Hopefully next Thursday.

  • 70. VIRick  |  February 5, 2016 at 12:38 am

    Maine Governor Stops Rules for Protecting Transgender Students

    Augusta ME — Gov. Paul LePage is stopping the Maine Human Rights Commission and the Department of Education from issuing rules protecting transgender students. Schools instead are being given guidelines that lack the force of law.

    A lead Democrat on the issue said LePage is putting vulnerable teens at risk. Rep. Matthea Daughtry of Brunswick says the rules are required by the 2013 Maine Supreme Judicial Court’s decision in favor of Nicole Maines, a transgender student in Orono who was barred from using a bathroom appropriate for her gender.

  • 71. JayJonson  |  February 5, 2016 at 6:51 am

    Same-sex weddings begin in Greenland on April 1. Joint Adoptions on July 1.

    Following unanimous approval in both the Greenlandic and Danish Parliaments, the same-sex marriage and adoption bill was given the ceremonial Royal Assent on Wednesday.

    The island’s new Civil Code will become gender-neutral and couples will begin marrying the day the law comes into force on April 1st. Greenland’s Bishop had been looking forward to couples being allowed to marry in the local Church since the bill was first proposed in 2014.

    The bill repeals the registered partnership law adopted from Denmark in 1996 and expands full adoption rights to all couples. Previously, only stepchild adoption was allowed since 2009. The joint adoption clause will go into effect on July 1st.

  • 72. F_Young  |  February 5, 2016 at 7:20 am

    New stamps promoting LGBT equality worldwide unveiled at UN

  • 73. JayJonson  |  February 5, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    Yesterday, a federal judge issued an injunction in the Nebraska marriage case, ordering the state to treat same-sex couples the same as different-sex couples in all things related to marriage, including adoptions. The order was largely a formality, but same-sex couples asked for it because state officials have attempted to exclude the names of same-sex spouses on their children's birth certificates.

  • 74. allan120102  |  February 5, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    Was just going to post that. 🙂 Anyways in other news A conservative group in Bermuda is asking the government to amend its law to prohibit ssm in the constitution or make a referendum about it.

  • 75. VIRick  |  February 5, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    Judge's Order Strikes Down Nebraska Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

    Omaha NE — A federal judge has issued a permanent injunction striking down Nebraska's now-negated ban on same-sex marriages and civil unions. The permanent injunction, issued Thursday, 4 February 2016, in "Waters v. Ricketts," by District Court Judge Joseph Bataillon, was largely a formality, as the Supreme Court ruling on 26 June 2015 legalized same-sex marriage across the country.

    Bataillon's injunction orders state officials to treat same-sex couples the same as different-sex couples in everything from processing marriage certificates to issuing birth certificates. State attorneys had argued that the injunction was not necessary, because the state has complied with the Supreme Court's ruling since it was issued.

    But several same-sex couples who challenged the state's ban in 2014 argued that the state's attempt in late 2015 to exclude same-sex spouses on their children's birth certificates showed that the injunction was indeed necessary. Judge Bataillon agreed.

    Besides, it would seem reasonable that Judge Bataillon needed vindication, given that he was the very first federal judge anywhere in the USA to overturn a state ban on same-sex marriage, and first did so in another case way back in the "pre-historic" era of 2005. From my archives:

    "In 2005, a federal district court judge, Judge Joseph Bataillon, overturned the ban in Nebraska, but Nebraska officials subsequently won an appeal at the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which upheld the constitutionality of the ban in 2006 in "Citizens For Equal Protection v. Bruning," a ruling that plagued the states in the 8th Circuit and LGBT rights activists for years thereafter."

  • 76. VIRick  |  February 6, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    Per Equality Case Files:

    In "Waters v. Ricketts," the Nebraska marriage case in federal court, the district court has issued a final judgment.

    Memorandum and Order are here:
    The separate Permanent Injunction order is here:

    "The Court declares Article I, § 29 of the Nebraska Constitution unconstitutional in light of 'Obergefell v. Hodges,' 135 S. Ct. 2584 (2015). A permanent injunction is hereby entered prohibiting the enforcement of Section 29 of the Nebraska Constitution.

    "Effective immediately, IT IS ORDERED that all relevant state officials shall treat same-sex couples the same as different-sex couples in the context of processing a marriage license or determining the rights, protections, obligations or benefits of marriage;

    "The Court will retain jurisdiction over the enforcement of the permanent injunction and issues related to this lawsuit for a period of at least three years. If a further extension is merited, the parties may file a motion with the Court.

    "Dated this 4th day of February 2016
    By the COURT
    s/ Joseph F. Bataillon
    Senior United States District Judge"

    So, Nebraska, your tired ass finally got nailed, and will continue to get nailed for the forseeable future. That will teach you not to attempt an en banc review of the 8th Circuit Court's decision, even after "Obergefell," while continuing to deny birth certifictes to same-sex couples. Now, on to the attorney fees issue, which with the excess, hopeless-case appeals, should cost you a substantial sum, while merely delaying the inevitable.

  • 77. Randolph_Finder  |  February 5, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    My guess is that all of the European mini-states on the Atlantic (Faroes, Isle of Man, Guernsey, Jersey and Gibraltar) will get to Marriage Equality by the end of 2017. The European Mini-states *not* on the Atlantic may be decades away.

  • 78. allan120102  |  February 5, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    They are some countries I believe will never legalize ssm. And if they do it will have to be like 200 or 300 hundreds year from now. Look Saudi Arabia for example until last year it let womens vote. Vatican City is other I dont see it soon.

  • 79. Randolph_Finder  |  February 5, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    Well, Vatican City is the best example, but I was thinking Andorra, Monaco, Leichtenstein(sp) and San Marino.

  • 80. allan120102  |  February 5, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    Yeah, I got you, I was just talking in general not just those countries. Andorra will pretty soon imo legalize it. Its closeness to Spain might make it get it, There was a bill but was defeteat so at least they are talking about it. Leichtenstein have civil unions but they havent talk about marriage. Monaco and San Marino are more of a wild card.

  • 81. theperched  |  February 6, 2016 at 4:33 am

    Hi, guys. Thanks for the mention and GREAT thread.

    Adding to Europe's quest for marriage equality, I asked the local LGBT rights group in Andorra and they say they want to do a citizens initiative to force Parliament to change unions civils to marriage, just one word. If they don't then they will go to the European Court of Human Rights for discrimination. The leading coalition in Andorra admitted that they left out the word marriage on purpose because it was reserved for heterosexual couples; the law is marriage in all but name which is still not right. As for the microstates with no recognition, they'll get partnership laws in the near future, but that's it.

    Monaco has a pending cohabitation bill and San Marino's unregistered cohabitation law might be beefed up since it's already under the lens. The EU has been sending representatives to all microstates to increase cooperation and San Marino's LGBT record was brought up.

  • 82. allan120102  |  February 5, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    Ughhh Pope Francis to meet head of the Russian orthodox church. Remember that the man head of that denomination is pure evil and have spit a lot hate against lgbt people.

  • 83. VIRick  |  February 5, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    He's also doing an official visit to Mexico between 12-17 February 2016.

    Stops include Ciudad Juárez in Chihuahua state (right across the river from El Paso TX), exactly when state officials there are planning to do their statewide Valentine's Day mass wedding ceremonies, and have specifically invited same-sex couples to participate.

    He'll then be in Morelia in Michoacán state on 16 February, right when that state's legislature may well be voting on the changes to their Civil Code to legalize same-sex marriage.

    Plus, he's to make an address at UNAM (Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico), a point which raises serious questions regarding Mexico's strict "separation of church and state."

    It would appear that the timing of his visit, and the selection of the stops, was set up to deliberately up-stage and interfere with other planned events/happenings in any number of locales.

  • 84. allan120102  |  February 5, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    Well looks like some LGBT groups are going to take the same route it was taken with Jalisco to make states legalize ssm. In this case Edomex. If all goes well the court could declare the ban unconstitutional, well if they take the case and if the groups file correctly.

  • 85. VIRick  |  February 5, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    Piden Obligar al Congreso del Edomex a Reconocer el Matrimonio Igualitario

    A Request to Force the Congress of Edomex to Recognize Marriage Equality

    Toluca, Edomex – La comunidad LGBTTTI del Estado de México solicitó a la Comisión de Derechos Humanos de la entidad (CODHEM) plantear a la Suprema Corte de Justicia de la Nación (SCJN) acciones de inconstitucionalidad para obligar a la Legislatura local a reconocer en lo inmediato el matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo.

    Toluca, Edomex- The LGBTTTI community of the state of Mexico have requested the Commission on Human Rights of the entity (CODHEM) to ask the Supreme Court of Justice (SCJ) to declare the unconstitutionality of the actions in order to compel the local Legislature to immediately recognize same-sex marriage.

    Edomex is the distinguishing Spanish acronym for Estado de Mexico, the state that surrounds the Federal District on 2 1/2 sides, and from which the Federal District was originally split.

    This article also contains an excellent summary history of previous actions already taken in Edomex in favor of marriage equality.

  • 86. VIRick  |  February 5, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    West Virginia: Joltingly Broad "Religious Freedom" Bill in Works

    Senate Bill 11 (SB 11), also known as the “West Virginia Freedom of Conscience Protection Act," establishes that only a “governmental interest of the highest magnitude that cannot otherwise be achieved without burdening the exercise of religion” can compel someone to obey the law if their religious beliefs come into conflict with it.

    SB 11 defines the exercise of religion thus: “Exercise of religion” means the sincere practice or observance of religion or religious conscience. It includes, but is not limited to, the ability to act or refuse to act in a manner substantially motivated by one’s sincerely held religious beliefs or religious conscience, whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief.”

    In other words, if you believe in something that conflicts with the law, that’s enough to absolve you of your legal duties… unless the state can prove that the issue is absolutely crucial to the state’s interests. While the bill protects the discriminatory impulses of a handful of bigoted bakers and clerks, the fact is that, if passed, the state would have to prove a “governmental interest of the highest magnitude” to enforce ANY law.

    The full bill is here:

  • 87. SethInMaryland  |  February 5, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    So the Faroe Islands is it's middle of debate of marriage equality. Soon the entire Kingdom of Denmark will have marriage equality.

  • 88. theperched  |  February 6, 2016 at 5:02 am

    Jalisco's LGBT was quick to swoop in and take advantage of a change in the matrimonial laws (even though they didn't deal with gay couples) and force the Supreme Court to act. Now I believe every time a Mexican state changes the slightest detail in marriage laws, they may be held liable before the Supremes as long as the lawsuit is filed within 30 days of the new law's enactment; it's an "act of unconstitutionality". Aguascalientes just raised the age for marriage yesterday, that's what Jalisco did in their Code that got them sued, so I hope Aguascalientes will also be hit with an "act".

    Baja California was reviewed the same day as Jalisco, same type of suit filed but unfortunately by the time the case got to the Supremes, the legislation in question was changed again so it was deemed moot. Rights groups there are watching the state like a hawk to see if it changes even the tiniest thing again.

  • 89. allan120102  |  February 6, 2016 at 6:27 am

    You are correct. If Aguascalientes modify its civil code and didnt include same sex marriage then it xan be sue. I hope lgbt groups or the commision of human right do it. I thought that after what happen with Jalisco none other state will have been brave enough to modify their civil code without putting ss couples in it. looks like I was wrong.

  • 90. theperched  |  February 6, 2016 at 6:46 am

    The "dictamen" (not sure what the English word is) was all set so I'm guessing they had no choice but to vote. It was unanimous.

  • 91. allan120102  |  February 6, 2016 at 9:36 am

    You are correct here is a summary of what happen. They raised the minium age to 18, I belived Jalisco did the same and look what happen to them. t
    Here is another summary why ssm have not been legislated in the state

  • 92. theperched  |  February 6, 2016 at 10:36 am

    Yup, Aguascalientes is very conservative. My father's family is from there, a small state with the Church's grip wrapped tightly around it.

    My mother's family is from Michoacan so I hope both move to the front of the line soon 🙂

  • 93. VIRick  |  February 6, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    "Dictamen" is the directive/opinion/order which makes the ruling/judgment/change official. It's a "legalese" term which we watch for, as it renders the action finalized and complete. Once the "dictamen" has been issued, case closed, done deal, the matter is settled.

  • 94. theperched  |  February 6, 2016 at 5:14 am

    Even in January I used to think San Luis Potosi would be next, before Michoacan, but it looks like it's all devolved into one big mess.

    This article says that a special committee was going to be formed to analyze the same-sex marriage proposal, but now they question if the committee will legally be able to send anything to the Congress plenary for a vote. Next week another group will decide if the special committee can actually do anything to advance the bill and if not what steps to take.

  • 95. 1grod  |  February 6, 2016 at 10:18 am

    If the recent soliciting sexual favours of AL's Tallapoosa County's probate judge Leon Archer does not have repercussions ( i.e. Roy Moore asserts a supervisory capacity over probate judges), then the AG and the legislature needs to review how rogue judges are constrained. If Archer does resign, and Governor Bentley appoints a replacement for the remaining three years of this probate judge's term, will he ensure that the replacement adheres to the Obergefell decision, as affirmed by the 11th Circuit Appeals Court last October 20? [Probate Judges were elected in 2012 for a six year term.] Recall that Centreville's Stephanie Kemmer was appointed in September, yet Bibb County apparently is still not issuing marriage licenses. Or William Tate of Crenshaw Co who was appointed last June by the Governor

  • 96. allan120102  |  February 6, 2016 at 11:43 am

    Things moving foward in Jalisco
    More weddings in Chihuahua

  • 97. VIRick  |  February 6, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    So-Called "Conversion Therapy" Banned In New York State

    Today, 6 February 2016, New York Governor Andrew M. Cuomo announced a series of comprehensive regulations to prevent the practice of so-called lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, and transgender “conversion therapy,” which has been deemed harmful to patients by a wide variety of leading medical and mental health professionals.

    Per Equality Case Files, from the press release:

    As part of today’s initiative, DFS, DOH, and OMH will take the following actions:

    • DFS Insurance Coverage Ban on Conversion Therapy for Minors.
    Under new regulations DFS will issue, New York insurers will be barred from providing reimbursement for conversion therapy services provided to an insured under the age of 18 years. In addition, such insurers are advised to inform participating behavioral health providers that conversion therapy should not be provided to minors and that the insurers will not provide reimbursement for such services. Additionally, as part of the insurers’ provider credentialing or application and re-credentialing processes, insurers are advised to require behavioral health providers to certify that they will not provide conversion therapy to minors or seek reimbursement from the insurer for such services.

    • OMH Regulations Prohibiting Conversion Therapy for Minors.
    Under new regulations OMH will issue, it will be unlawful for any mental health facility licensed, funded, or operated by the New York State Office of Mental Health to provide conversion therapy to minors. Failure to comply with these new regulations could result in the revocation of license and/or funding for any entity found to have engaged in these practices.

    • DOH Medicaid Ban on Conversion Therapy Coverage.
    The New York State Department of Health prohibits Medicaid coverage for conversion therapy, as Medicaid only covers care, services, and supplies necessary to prevent, diagnose, correct, or cure recognized medical conditions. Since there is no medical necessity for conversion therapy and because it has been repudiated and discredited by virtually every relevant medical and professional organization, Medicaid cannot cover it.

  • 98. Raga  |  February 7, 2016 at 9:35 am

    A great conversation with the lead counsel who will argue on our behalf, that clearly summarizes the current legal situation and the path forward in India. I did notice a few doubtful statements made about other countries that criminalize homosexuality, but the rest of it, insofar as it pertains to the next steps (strategy and procedure), is accurate:

  • 99. VIRick  |  February 7, 2016 at 11:59 am

    Raga, apparently, Section 377 is also still "alive and well" in Bangladesh, which historically, was part of India at the time of this law's enactment. Section 377 is mentioned here, in this article about a current case originating from Bangladesh:

    In Bangladesh, a Same-Sex Marriage Might See the Couple Sent to Jail

    "Because there is no precedent of such a case of two women — let alone from Hindu-Muslim background — running away together and claiming that they have married (by self-proclaiming themselves to be married to each other at a Hindu temple, as is the Hindu tradition), the police and even Sanjida's lawyers didn't know at first how to deal with it," says Farida Begum, director of the Bondhu Social Welfare Society, an umbrella body for Bangladesh's LGBT groups.

    "If they had been men, they could have been tried under Section 377, a colonial rule dating back to 1850, which criminalises 'carnal intercourse against the order of nature.' However, this does not apply to women, so instead Sanjida (the older of the pair) was charged with the abduction of a minor, an offence with a lengthy prison sentence."

    And by extension, from this account, can we also surmise that Section 377 is still "alive and well" in Pakistan? But, what about (Portuguese) Goa/Daman/Diu? And (French) Pondicherry/Karaikal/Yanam/Mahe? Neither grouping were part of British India at the time of Section 377's enactment, but have subsequently been incorporated into India, post-independence. Were India's laws extended to now include them?

  • 100. allan120102  |  February 7, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    Amazing news coming from Colombia, if the supreme court dont change its mind in marriage equality being hand down this Thursday , lgbt Colombians will have double to celebrate.

  • 101. SethInMaryland  |  February 7, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    I'm really excited about Colombia. Another South America country

  • 102. VIRick  |  February 8, 2016 at 1:18 am

    Kryptonkid: "I no longer have promise of tomorrow. The promise of him is gone. The promise of me is gone. I am sure that my decision to hurt myself will shock many of you, but, please, don't try to intervene. I've thought about this long and hard. No one in my life loves me."

    …. "too unstable" ….

    Dude, I'm not certain why you would unburden yourself by making that first announcement about finishing yourself off due to some minor personal trauma to all of us here at EoT, let alone follow it up with this second extended missive, filled with more dramatic, unverified woes as an apparent further tease. But if you're trying to foist blame onto others for life's tribulations, I would suggest you do so somewhere else (given that you still have your computer and internet access), as EoT is not the proper forum for this sort of Drama Queen demonstration. If you do happen to have a police record, it is not because of anything anyone here has done,– or not done.

    Still, you did ask for attention. It sounds as if you got it, but perhaps not in the precise manner you expected. Enjoy life. Stay real. Regards, "Not-from-Canada" Rick

  • 103. F_Young  |  February 8, 2016 at 3:02 am

    I'm shocked that your roommates and employer reacted in this way. I don't blame you for being angry about it. I'm relieved that you are alive, but still concerned about your well-being. I hope that you are getting the help you need; if not, you should seek it.

    Because you feel humiliated, I deleted my earlier posts. From now on, it would probably be best if you emailed me instead of posting. Under the circumstances, it's a good thing that EoT has very few readers now; I expect that very few people have seen our posts over the last couple of days.

    People care about you. Be kind to yourself.

  • 104. davepCA  |  February 8, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    Krypton kid – I didn't see your initial remarks and F Young has deleted his response, but it is clear that you had threatened to harm yourself. And the appropriate reaction by those who are aware of your comments is to notify emergency personnel.

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