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  • 1. ianbirmingham  |  July 18, 2022 at 8:07 pm

    US Map of Anti-Trans Legislation Risk

  • 2. ianbirmingham  |  July 19, 2022 at 3:23 pm

    Today, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the Respect for Marriage Act, which would codify the protections in the Supreme Court’s decisions in Obergefell, Lawrence, and Loving.

    WASHINGTON — The House passed the Respect For Marriage Act Tuesday to codify legal same-sex marriage nationwide, fearing that the conservative majority on the Supreme Court will rescind the right after it overturned Roe v. Wade last month.

    The vote was 267-157, with every Democrat and 47 Republicans supporting it.

    The bill would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996, enshrine legal same-sex marriage for the purposes of federal law, and add legal protections for married couples of the same sex.

    House Democrats plan to vote later this week on a similar bill to codify the right to contraception, which was established by a more liberal Supreme Court in the 1965 Griswold v. Connecticut ruling.

  • 3. VIRick  |  July 20, 2022 at 1:41 pm

    Paraguay: Massive LGBT March in Asunción

    Per Género y Trabajo:

    "Exigimos al Estado paraguayo que seamos reconocidas como personas.” Más de 5 mil personas salieron a las calles para reclamar derechos como el matrimonio igualitario y una ley de identidad de género, en lo que fue la parada LGBTI más masiva del país.

    "We demand from the Paraguayan State that we be recognized as persons." More than 5,000 people took to the streets to demand rights such as marriage equality and a gender identity law, in what so far was the most massive LGBTI parade in the country.

    Per Feminacida, el 19 de julio 2022:

    La marcha, organizada por Panambí, SomosGay, y GayLatino marcó un hito como la parada LGBTI más masiva de Paraguay, uno de los países con mayor índice de LGBTI odio en América Latina.

    The march, organized by Panambí, SomosGay, and GayLatino marked a milestone as the most massive LGBTI parade in Paraguay, one of the countries with the highest rate of LGBTI hate in Latin America.

  • 4. VIRick  |  July 20, 2022 at 4:26 pm

    Andorra: Parliament to Vote on New Family Code Tomorrow, 21 July

    Per LGBT Marriage News:

    Tomorrow, 21 July 2022, Parliament is expected to vote on the new Family Code, one that will enact marriage equality as well as transgender ID laws.

  • 5. Randolph_Finder  |  July 21, 2022 at 6:52 am

    Found an article from March 2020 whose title is "Factbox: Andorra set to become latest nation to legalize gay marriage"

    Honestly, though I think it is less that the Bishop of Urgell managed to delay and more COVID-19 related delays.

  • 6. VIRick  |  July 21, 2022 at 11:12 am

    Andorra: Consell General Approves Marriage Equality/Gender Identity/Family Code

    Per Luis Eduardo Costa:

    El 21 de julio 2022, por 25 votos a 0, quedan aprobados en Andorra el matrimonio igualitario y el derecho a la adecuación de género en documentos para personas trans.

    On 21 July 2022, by 25 votes to 0, marriage equality and the right to the adjustment of gender in documents for trans persons have been approved in Andorra.

    Per RTV Andorra:

    Consell General: Queda aprovada la proposició de llei, amb 25 vots a favor, cap en contra, i cap abstenció.

    General Council: The bill was approved, with 25 votes in favor, none against, and no abstentions.

    Despite the long delay in its final stages of approval, the revised Family Code of Andorra will now be promulgated as law once the legislation has been formally signed by the President of France. It will then legally come into effect 6 months from the promulgation date, thus making Andorra nation #33 with marriage equality.

  • 7. scream4ever  |  July 21, 2022 at 6:11 pm

    This leaves Italy and Lichtenstein as the only countries in Western Europe to not have same-sex marriage.

  • 8. ianbirmingham  |  July 21, 2022 at 9:11 pm

    Both Italy and Liechtenstein have civil unions. Others with civil unions are Croatia, Czech Republic, Cyprus, Greece, Hungary, Monaco, Montenegro, and San Marino.

    Monaco is also within Western Europe, along with San Marino.

    Poland and Slovakia have 'unregistered cohabitation'.

    Non-recognition in: Albania, Azerbaijan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan, North Macedonia, Romania, Turkey and Vatican City.

  • 9. Randolph_Finder  |  July 22, 2022 at 9:08 pm

    No, at this point the list is Italy, Lichtenstein, San Marino, Monaco and the Vatican.

  • 10. scream4ever  |  July 22, 2022 at 9:50 pm

    Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican are city-states though.

  • 11. VIRick  |  July 23, 2022 at 9:19 am

    The Vatican Should Be Ignored as a Country

    The Vatican does not have citizens by birth. It only grants temporary, diplomatic/honorary citizenship based on one's current job position. Such citizenship is surrendered whenever the job is terminated.

    Simultaneously, without permanent citizens, the Vatican has no marriage law whatsoever. No one of any description has ever been married there, and given the lack of any such law, and the general hostility toward such, no one ever will.

    Remember, the vast majority of the temporary, diplomatic/honorary citizens of the Vatican are Catholic priests. Catholic priests do not marry. The remainder are the honorary Swiss Guards who are summarily dismissed from their positions if they even hint about the possibility of their marrying. As it is, the Swiss Guards generally serve only 2-3 years before being replaced.

  • 12. Randolph_Finder  |  July 24, 2022 at 5:26 am

    Couples certainly *can* get married at the Vatican. See for a great deal of information on how to plan/execute it. Now it may only be for foreigners, but it is definitely restricted to opposite gender *by* (as far as I can tell) be restricted to Roman Catholics in good standing.

  • 13. VIRick  |  July 24, 2022 at 6:36 pm

    The Vatican Should Still Be Ignored as a Country

    Let me re-phrase the point ever so slightly. Civil marriage does not exist within the law of the Vatican. Only a limited number of Roman Catholic canonical marriages (between two foreign, unmarried, undivorced, opposite-sex Catholic adults in good standing) can be performed (and at great expense to the parties in question, with all sorts of rules, restrictions, regulations, and other time-consuming busy-work wrapped up into it).

    Then, once married in the Vatican in a Roman Catholic canonical marriage ceremony (read as "church wedding" and not legally valid as a "stand-alone" in most secular civil marriage countries throughout all of Western and Central Europe and in all of Latin America), the spouses are then burdened with the requirement that they must then validate and transcribe their marriage over to their country of actual residence.

    Thus, the marriage is NOT even fully recorded in the Vatican, but rather, must be validated and transcribed over to the couple's country of residence. This maneuver further assumes that their country of residence will honor a church wedding performed without its civil marriage component being performed and recorded first. However, be assured that most all secular civil marriage countries will refuse to honor such, given that "stand-alone" church weddings are not legally binding, and that the procedures were done incorrectly, that is, in reverse order, and not in conformity with their own civil law.

    In particular, note paragraphs #3-5 under the sub-heading, "The Vatican State."

  • 14. Randolph_Finder  |  July 26, 2022 at 4:50 pm

    I did read it. Note, the same comment about "The spouses are required to activate the transmission of their marriage to their country of residence." also applies to the Catholic church wedding in Rome, which has the same civil meaning as any other wedding in Italy.

    I think the relevant law is not Article 34 of the Concordat accompanying the Treaty of Lateran, but rather Article 8 of the 1985 treaty modifying the Lateran Concordat.

    As I read it, a Catholic wedding at the Vatican is equal under Italian Law to a Catholic wedding anywhere in Italy, by which it is the responsibility of the Parish Priest for the couple to apply to the state registrar.

    So the wedding at the Vatican causes the civil authorities in *Italy* to accept the wedding, but that probably doesn't apply anywhere else.

    Note, at this point, we are probably *at* counting the number of angels dancing on a pin and recognizing that for non-catholics it just doesn't matter. 🙂

  • 15. ianbirmingham  |  July 20, 2022 at 5:51 pm

    CNN asked all 50 GOP senators if they will support the same-sex marriage bill. Here's where they stand.

    It's not yet clear how many Republicans will support the bill, but GOP and Democratic senators said Wednesday they expect it could eventually win the 60 votes needed.

    * Four Republican senators, so far, have either said they will support or will likely support the House-passed same-sex marriage bill, and that includes: Rob Portman of Ohio, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska (likely) and Thom Tillis of North Carolina (likely).

    * Eight Republican senators, so far, have indicated they would vote "no," and oppose the same-sex marriage bill.

    * Sixteen Republican senators, so far, are undecided or did not indicate support for the House-passed bill.

    * Twenty-two Republican senators have yet to respond to CNN's inquiries.

  • 16. ianbirmingham  |  July 20, 2022 at 9:27 pm

    GOP freezes up on same-sex marriage

    Chuck Schumer may have to take a gamble to find out if the landmark legislation has the GOP support necessary to clear a 60-vote threshold.

    Since the Supreme Court struck down restrictions on same-sex marriage in 2015, the Republican Party has largely sidestepped litigating its own internal divisions over the matter. Many social conservatives and mainstream GOP politicians still oppose same-sex marriage, guaranteeing that the House’s bill would divide the GOP.

    The 47 House Republicans who supported the legislation represent what would’ve been an unthinkable number just a decade ago, but still a solid minority of the GOP conference. Explaining his vote for the bill, ultra-conservative House Freedom Caucus chair Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.) focused on its non-LGBTQ elements: “I don’t think that interracial marriages should be outlawed.”

    And sure enough, across the Capitol, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said his party would surely try to filibuster the effort. Asked if the same-sex marriage bill would get the 10 Republicans needed to clear that obstacle, he said: “I hope not.”

  • 17. VIRick  |  July 21, 2022 at 3:25 pm

    Romania: First Same-Gender Marriage Takes Place in Bucharest

    Per LGBT Marriage News:

    Romania's first same-sex civil marriage was officiated between two women in Bucharest. Georgiana and Evie were married on Saturday, 9 July 2022, the same date as the Bucharest Pride March, at the Civil Registry Office of Sector 5 in Bucharest, after realizing that they could take advantage of a legal loophole that would enable them to have the wedding they had hoped for.

    This is the first time a same-sex couple has married in Romania, as marriage, otherwise, is still illegal for these couples. However, this marriage was made possible by the fact that Evie is transgender and has yet to change the gender marker on her ID card, thus enabling her to legally marry another woman.

  • 18. VIRick  |  July 21, 2022 at 3:43 pm

    Taiwan: Court Approves Taiwanese/Japanese Same-Sex Marriage

    Per LGBT Marriage News:

    On 21 July 2022, the Taipei High Administrative Court ordered local authorities to accept a marriage notification submitted by a Japanese-Taiwanese same-sex couple. Following the court decision, the first same-sex marriage between Japanese and Taiwanese people in Taiwan is expected to be formalized.

    The couple, Eizaburo Ariyoshi, 42, and Lu Yin-jen, 34, who live in the southern Taiwan county of Pingtung, submitted a notification of their marriage in May 2021, but the authorities rejected it, noting that such a marriage is not legally recognized in Ariyoshi's home country of Japan. In December, the couple filed a lawsuit seeking the revocation of the rejection.

    Today's ruling said that deciding whom to marry is an important basic right guaranteed under the Taiwanese Constitution, adding that refusing to approve a marriage based on Japanese law constitutes unreasonable discriminatory treatment.

  • 19. VIRick  |  July 21, 2022 at 4:01 pm

    Costa Rica: Family Court Validates Adoption by Same-Sex Couple

    Per LGBT Marriage News:

    Henceforth, same-sex couples will be able to adopt without prejudice since a family court and the Patronato Nacional de la Infancia (PANI) – the government body in charge of the care of abandoned minors – both supported the adoption of a 16-year-old adolescent by a couple in an equality marriage.

    On 15 June 2022, for the first time in Costa Rican history, the decision by the Juzgado de San José validated an adoption of a minor by a "familia homoparental;" thus, the court considered the well-being of the young person to be most important, rather than the sexual preference of the couple in question.

  • 20. scream4ever  |  July 21, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    Ron Johnson has indicated he's a Yes/Lean Yes.

  • 21. ianbirmingham  |  July 21, 2022 at 8:55 pm

    US Same-Sex Marriage Support Inches Up to New High of 71%

    When Gallup first polled about same-sex marriage in 1996, barely a quarter of the public (27%) supported legalizing such unions. It would take another 15 years, until 2011, for support to reach the majority level. Then in 2015, just one month before the U.S. Supreme Court's Obergefell v. Hodges decision, public support for legalizing gay marriage cracked the 60% level, and last year it reached the 70% mark for the first time.

    Rising national support for legal same-sex marriage reflects steady increases among most subgroups of the population, even those who have traditionally been the most resistant to gay marriage. Adults aged 65 and older, for example, became mostly supportive in 2016 — as did Protestants in 2017 and Republicans in 2021.

    Americans who report that they attend church weekly remain the primary demographic holdout against gay marriage, with 40% in favor and 58% opposed.

    Analyzing Gallup's trends since 2004, Americans who seldom or never attend church have always been mostly supportive of same-sex couples getting legally married. Among those who attend nearly weekly or monthly, support did not rise to the majority level until 2014.

    Weekly churchgoers, however, have yet to reach a majority level of support in the trend. The current 40% among this group who support same-sex marriage is within the 39% to 44% range Gallup has recorded since 2016.

  • 22. Elihu_Bystander  |  July 22, 2022 at 7:23 am

    I Don’t Fit the Stereotype

    I migrated into the full communion of the Catholic Church in 1991 (officially making me a post Vatican II Catholic). I regularly attend mass on Sunday and ad least one daily week-day mass. I am an openly gay man and I hold teaching responsibilities in my Catholic Mission Church (we are too small to be a parish). I support same-sex marriage. Contrary to Church teaching on marriage, but based on the Church’s teaching on the primacy of an informed conscience, I believe that same-sax marriages however celebrated (civil or by Christian hospitality in other affirming faith groups) also acquire the sacramental character of marriage.

  • 23. ianbirmingham  |  July 25, 2022 at 6:20 am

    According to this poll, then, you would be among the 40% of weekly churchgoers who support same-sex marriage. But 60%, per this poll, still oppose SSM.

    Have you discussed this topic with the other members of your congregation? Maybe you could survey everyone to see how your local percentages compare to this national survey!

  • 24. VIRick  |  July 22, 2022 at 2:17 pm

    Andorra Approves Civil Marriage Equality

    Per Dos Manzanas:

    Andorra Aprueba el Matrimonio Civil Igualitario

    El Consell General (parlamento unicameral del Principado de Andorra) ha aprobado por unanimidad la Ley Cualificada de la Persona y de la Familia, que establece que el matrimonio o casamiento civil tendrá los mismos requisitos y efectos sean los contrayentes del mismo o distinto sexo. También incluye la eliminación de la figura de la unión civil para parejas del mismo sexo y dicta que las celebradas hasta el momento se conviertan automáticamente en matrimonios.

    La nueva ley entrará en vigor dentro de seis meses a partir de su publicación en el Boletín Oficial del Principado de Andorra, una vez sancionada por uno de los copríncipes (muy probablemente el Presidente de la República Francesa). Andorra se convierte así en el 33º país del mundo en aprobar el matrimonio igualitario.

    The Consell General (unicameral parliament of the Principality of Andorra) has unanimously approved the Qualified Law of the Person and the Family, which establishes that civil marriage (whether known as "matrimonio o casamiento") will have the same requirements and effects whether the spouses be of the same or of different sex. It also includes the elimination of the concept of civil union for same-sex couples and dictates that those already celebrated be automatically converted into marriages.

    The new law will enter into force within six months of its publication in the Official Gazette of the Principality of Andorra, once sanctioned by one of the co-princes (namely, by the President of France). Andorra will thus become the 33rd country in the world to approve marriage equality.

  • 25. ianbirmingham  |  July 22, 2022 at 7:35 pm

    Newsom signs California gun bill modeled after Texas abortion law

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a bill into law that allows private citizens to bring civil action against anyone who manufactures, distributes, transports or imports assault weapons or ghost guns, which are banned in the state.

    California Senate Bill 1327 is modeled after a Texas law that allows private citizens to bring civil litigation against abortion providers or anyone who assists a pregnant person in obtaining an abortion after as early as six weeks of pregnancy.

    The US Supreme Court in December allowed Texas' six-week abortion ban to remain in effect, which prompted Newsom, who has been supportive of abortion rights and pro-gun control, to say he was "outraged" by the court's decision and direct his staff to draft a similar bill to regulate guns.

    Under the California law, a person would also be able to sue a licensed firearms dealer who "sells, supplies, delivers, or gives possession or control of a firearm" to anyone under 21 years old. It allows citizens to sue for a minimum of $10,000 on each weapon involved, as well as attorney fees.

  • 26. Elihu_Bystander  |  July 23, 2022 at 12:08 pm

    The question is: Can a private citizen meet the standard for actual and concreate harm, and not just the conjecture of perceived harm. It is an essential part of having standing to sue.

  • 27. ianbirmingham  |  July 23, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    Cuba announces same-sex marriage referendum

    Cuba's parliament has announced a new family law which will be put to a referendum on September 25. It would legalize same-sex marriage and civil unions, as well as allow same-sex couples to adopt children.

    In Latin America, seven countries currently allow same-sex marriage: Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Uruguay and Chile. Chile legalized same-sex marriage in March of this year.

    The new law would also offer increased protections for children, the elderly and other family members as well as greater women's rights.

    Furthermore, it would allow prenuptial agreements, adoption of children by same-sex couples and surrogate pregnancies, though not for profit. It will promote the equal sharing of domestic responsibilities.

    According to the new family code, parents will have "responsibility" rather than "custody" of children. They will also be required to be "respectful of the dignity and physical and mental integrity of children and adolescents."

  • 28. VIRick  |  July 23, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    Currently, there are 8 independent Latin nations with marriage equality, as Mexico certainly does, as well. In fact, its Federal District was the very first jurisdiction in all of Latin America with marriage equality.

    Once approved, Cuba will become independent Latin nation #9 with marriage equality.

  • 29. ianbirmingham  |  July 23, 2022 at 9:20 pm

    Bundestag hoists rainbow flag for the first time

    The Bundestag hoisted the rainbow flag for the first time, which with its six colorful stripes is considered a symbol of the queer community. This flag has been flying on the southwest tower of the Berlin Reichstag building, the seat of the German Parliament, since Saturday morning. Two more were raised in front of the east and west portals of the building.

    The occasion is the large demonstration planned for Christopher Street Day (CSD) in Berlin from noon onwards, to which the organizers are expecting hundreds of thousands of participants.

    Only in April of this year did the Ministry of the Interior officially grant permission for the rainbow flag to be hoisted in front of or on federal official buildings on certain occasions. Bundestag President Bärbel Bas (SPD) announced the flag hoisting at the Reichstag in June and stated that this would once again significantly increase the visibility of the commitment to variety and diversity.

  • 30. ianbirmingham  |  July 25, 2022 at 10:50 am

    US Senator Tammy Baldwin is about halfway to her goal of getting 10 Republicans to filibuster-proof a same-sex marriage bill. Finding the final five will be harder.

    Ten years after making history as the first openly gay senator, Tammy Baldwin is blazing another trail. It’s not a task Baldwin thought would ever fall to her after the high court struck down restrictions on same-sex marriage in 2015. Summing up the task at hand in an interview, she said: “I had not expected to be fighting to protect a right that’s already been won in court.”

    Whipping votes in a culturally conservative Senate Republican Conference isn’t new to Baldwin. She was a key player on the chamber’s passage of a nondiscrimination bill in 2013, which gained enough GOP support to make a filibuster-proof majority for same-sex marriage nine years later seem feasible.

    Baldwin isn’t the only one whipping the same-sex marriage measure across the finish line. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said he’s spoken to the supportive Collins and Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) about it, and Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) and Rob Portman (R-Ohio) are also working behind the scenes to get the bill across the finish line.

  • 31. scream4ever  |  July 25, 2022 at 12:19 pm

    Montana Republican Senator Steve Gaines indicated he's a No vote, which is unsurprising.

  • 32. VIRick  |  July 25, 2022 at 6:03 pm

    Every Country Where Same-Sex Marriage Is Legal, 2022

    This listing is reasonably accurate in providing dates, and some very brief detail pertaining to the enactment procedure of the various measures, such as whether marriage equality was approved through legislation, popular referendum, supreme court ruling, or some combination.

    However, the listing skips Mexico and Slovenia, so it is otherwise correct in identifying 31 of the 33 independent nations in reasonably accurate (reverse) chronological order that have thus far legalized marriage equality. In addition, though, it separately lists and details the 3 non-independent entities of Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Greenland, while further ignoring all other non-independent jurisdictions that have also separately enacted their own marriage equality measures, like the Faroe Islands, Isle of Man, Guernsey, Jersey, and Gibraltar.

  • 33. ianbirmingham  |  July 26, 2022 at 11:35 am

    Marco Rubio drags marriage equality vote as ‘waste of time,’ despite six Florida GOP congressional members supporting it

    Rubio, a Miami Republican up for re-election this year, told CNN’s Manu Raju that he won’t support the bill when it reaches the Senate floor and called it a “stupid waste of time.”

    That presents a stark difference with Rep. Val Demings, his Democratic opponent in November. She voted in favor of the Respect for Marriage Act (HR 8404) when the House passed it.

    “Equality under the law is an American value. We’re going to stand up for freedom and refuse to go back into a discriminatory past,” Demings said in a statement.

    “A small group of politicians do not get to dictate America’s future in this government of the people. Every married couple must have fair and equal access to all of the benefits of marriage, from Social Security to veterans and military benefits to health care. I’ll always fight for your freedom and I’m proud to help support legislation to protect every American couple’s fundamental right to have their marriage treated as equal under federal law.”

    Every Democrat representing Florida in the House voted in favor of codifying same-sex marriage rights. On the Republican side, a majority voted against the bill, including Reps. Gus Bilirakis, Vern Buchanan, Byron Donalds, Neal Dunn, Scott Franklin, Matt Gaetz, Bill Posey, John Rutherford, Greg Steube and Daniel Webster.

    But six Republicans in Florida’s delegation voted for the bill: Reps. Kat Cammack, Mario Díaz-Balart, Carlos Giménez, Brian Mast, María Elvira Salazar and Michael Waltz.

    Four of those Representatives hail from South Florida districts, making Rubio the only Miami-area lawmaker representing Florida in Congress who remains opposed to the bill.

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